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The SS Columbus. The Strange Story of German Sailors in the Mountains of New Mexico.

by huckfunn ( 158 Comments › )
Filed under History, Open thread at June 2nd, 2013 - 12:01 pm

 

The SS Columbus was an opulent German ocean liner and the fastest liner of its time when she was built in 1924. She was on a cruise off the U.S. Atlantic Coast and Caribbean when Germany invaded Poland in September, 1939. The German High Command ordered the Columbus to disembark its passengers in Havana, Cuba and return post haste to Germany. She was intercepted by a British frigate 400 miles off the Eastern U.S. coast and compelled to surrender. The German commander, Captain Wilhelm Dähne, ordered his crew to scuttle the ship and take to the lifeboats. The crew of over 500 sailors was picked up by the American heavy cruiser, U.S.S. Tuscaloosa. The Americans, who were not yet at war with Germany, wanted to re-patriot the German sailors to Germany, but the British Navy refused to allow them to be passed through the blockade. The sailors were transported to San Francisco and then to Fort Stanton in Lincoln County, New Mexico. Fort Stanton had a played an important role in frontier New Mexico; first as an Army garrison to pacify the Mescalero Apaches and later as a tuberculosis sanitarium for the U.S. Merchant Marine. Over 1300 American sailors are buried in the cemetery outside of Fort Stanton. During the Lincoln County Wars, troops from Fort Stanton rode into to the town of Lincoln to quell the violence between the warring factions.

The status of the German sailors was unique. They weren’t POW’s as the U.S. wasn’t at war with Germany. They couldn’t be returned to Germany as the Brits wouldn’t allow it. There was growing anti-German sentiment in the U.S. and the German seamen had to be protected. The remote location of Fort Stanton was the ideal site to house them. There were no fences, guards or guard towers. The Germans were told that Apache scouts patrolled the surrounding mountains and any escapees would be promptly scalped.  Captain Dähne kept his sailors busy with construction projects in the camp and farming operations in the surrounding hills. Between 1940 and 1945 there were only 6 or 7 escape attempts. Each of the escapees were re-captured and returned to Fort Stanton… with their scalps intact. 4 of the sailors are buried in the Merchant Marine Cemetery outside of Fort Stanton. The surviving sailors were returned to Germany after the end of the war in 1945.

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158 Responses to “The SS Columbus. The Strange Story of German Sailors in the Mountains of New Mexico.”
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  1. Bumr50
    2 | June 2, 2013 12:28 pm

    Hey has anyone else seen this??

    Looks like MASSIVE PROPAGANDA from our entertainment industry!!


  2. John Difool
    3 | June 2, 2013 1:06 pm

    Charles Johnson is breathing a big sigh of relief right now that these German sailors were in New Mexico & not in Arizona right next door. Their offspring may have built secret Nazi UFO bases in the New Mexico desert.

    I’ll bet he’s sweating bullets & peeping out of the blinds any way.


  3. Bumr50
    4 | June 2, 2013 1:10 pm

    Submitted for immediate Darwin Award consideration:

    Man jumps on tracks to get cell phone, killed by train

    ht -- Cnet


  4. Canoe Convoy
    5 | June 2, 2013 1:12 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    This sounds like some science fiction. Perhaps it is a PR stunt for some movie about which I don’t know.


  5. Canoe Convoy
    6 | June 2, 2013 1:13 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    It’s thought-provoking, though.


  6. lobo91
    7 | June 2, 2013 1:16 pm

    Canoe Convoy wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    This sounds like some science fiction. Perhaps it is a PR stunt for some movie about which I don’t know.

    Yes, it is a movie


  7. lobo91
    8 | June 2, 2013 1:18 pm

    The Purge trailer:


  8. Bumr50
    9 | June 2, 2013 1:19 pm

    @ Canoe Convoy:

    The movie is called ‘The Purge,’ and in today’s climate it’s GOING to be twisted into demonizing the right, especially the more libertarian among us:

    In the year 2022, the United States is prospering with an unemployment rate at 1% and crime at an all-time low. To keep this prosperity the government creates an annual 12-hour period from the evening of June 7 to the morning of June 8 in which all criminal activity, including murder, becomes legal. During this time, police and hospitals suspend all assistance services. This event, known as “The Purge”, is designed to serve as a catharsis for people, giving them a chance to vent all negative emotions however they desire, with the ultimate goal of keeping unemployment and crime at extremely low levels for the rest of the year.
    During this night of violence and crime, a stranger (Edwin Hodge) screaming for help is let into James Sandin’s (Ethan Hawke) fortified house during their yearly lock down. The family is then forced into conflict between their beliefs of right and wrong, and a sequence of events involving the stranger’s pursuers puts the family’s survival in danger. Now, it is up to James, his wife, Mary (Lena Headey), and their kids Zoey (Adelaide Kane) and Charlie (Max Burkholder) to make it through the night without turning into the monsters from whom they hide. [3]


  9. John Difool
    10 | June 2, 2013 1:19 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Submitted for immediate Darwin Award consideration:
    Man jumps on tracks to get cell phone, killed by train
    ht — Cnet

    Poor guy wanted to lose weight & went to the wrong Subway….

    Thanks, I’ll be here all week.


  10. Calo
    11 | June 2, 2013 1:23 pm

    Not sure if Lobo saw this article.


  11. Bumr50
    12 | June 2, 2013 1:24 pm

    @ Canoe Convoy:

    Excerpt from an interview with the director:

    ‘The Purge’ is based on a rather original concept. What inspired it?

    It’s so hard to say the one thing. When I was on my last movie, I was living in France for six months. I started noticing that the news was so very different than watching the news in America, it was just strange. And I lived in Canada right before that and it was completely different as well. Their news was just about us because they had nothing to report. Not much crime there. I was seeing this pattern – outside of our country, they just don’t have the relationship with violence that we have.

    Sometimes when you write, the writing becomes a mirror of what we’re seeing. So when we watch the news here, I joke to my wife ‘It’s like The Purge every night.’ I don’t know what the fuck is going on out there, but it’s like the goddamn Purge! (laughs)


  12. lobo91
    13 | June 2, 2013 1:25 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    No violence in France, huh?

    I wonder what channel he was watching while he was there.


  13. John Difool
    14 | June 2, 2013 1:25 pm

    My takeaway from the brief trailer of “The Purge”. Main victim is black, perps are white, good samaritans are passive-liberal whites.

    The perps will most likely be Christian-conservative, Tea Party supporting NRA members.


  14. lobo91
    15 | June 2, 2013 1:26 pm

    Calo wrote:

    Not sure if Lobo saw this article.

    I did


  15. lobo91
    16 | June 2, 2013 1:28 pm

    @ John Difool:

    Obviously. I mean, look at all the riots and mass murders that took place in Houston during the NRA Annual Meeting last month.
    //


  16. lobo91
    17 | June 2, 2013 1:31 pm

    @ John Difool:

    You should have seen all the cops they deployed around the convention center. They even had mounted units.

    They mostly looked bored, though. People were taking pictures with them and petting the horses.


  17. Canoe Convoy
    18 | June 2, 2013 1:34 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    I read that it’s produced by Michael Bay. This makes me wonder if it is just going to show continuous non-stop explosions.


  18. John Difool
    19 | June 2, 2013 1:35 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Obviously. I mean, look at all the riots and mass murders that took place in Houston during the NRA Annual Meeting last month.
    //

    An armed society is a polite society.

    Didn’t take much more than a minute and a half trailer to dissect this movie. Evidently “The Purge” is to get rid of the supposed undesirables in society. In this case the supposed undesirable was a black male called a “target” by what appeared to be a hit-squad of all white people.

    One can already see where this movie is going. Bet the president & all those behind “The Purge” & who implemented it are Republican too.


  19. Calo
    20 | June 2, 2013 1:36 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Heh, true that.

    And, the hundreds of NRA members milling about in the Hilton Hotel lobby were not even intimidating as they chatted, drank cocktails and milled about.


  20. 21 | June 2, 2013 1:47 pm

    Well hell -- let me be the first to comment on topic, then. Nifty piece of history, huckfun!


  21. heysoos
    22 | June 2, 2013 1:59 pm

    another small piece of the very colorful history of New Mexico…the land nobody wants, or cares about


  22. Bumr50
    23 | June 2, 2013 1:59 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Indeed!


  23. lobo91
    24 | June 2, 2013 2:04 pm

    Congressional Investigators Told IRS Agents “Were Being Directly Ordered From Washington” To Target Conservative Groups…

    Interviews with IRS employees have established that the Washington, D.C. headquarters of the Internal Revenue Service was engaged in targeting tea party groups and other conservative organizations for unfair levels of scrutiny when they applied for tax-exempt status.

    Rep. Darrel lssa, chairman of powerful House Committee of Oversight and Government Reform, made that startling announcement on CNN Sunday morning.

    ‘As late as last week,’ he said, ‘the [Obama] administration was still trying to say the [IRS targeting scandal] was from a few rogue agents in Cincinnati, when in fact the indication is that they were directly being ordered from Washington.’

    A committee spokesman sent MailOnline partial transcripts of two interviews with unnamed IRS workers about the agency’s actions in early 2010, on whose testimony Issa based his bombshell statement.

    One of those interviewees said it was ‘impossible’ for a few IRS agents to have orchestrated such widespread partisan targeting on their own.


  24. huckfunn
    25 | June 2, 2013 2:07 pm

    @ Mike C.:
    @ heysoos:
    @ Bumr50:
    A friend of mine and I went to Fort Stanton yesterday and walked through the Merchant Marine cemetery. It’s still an active military cemetery and there are graves of our war dead as recent as this year. Way over in a far corner of the cemetery are 5 headstones all alone. 4 of them are of those 4 Germans who died while interned at Fort Stanton. The other one is for what appears to be a German citizen who was in the American Merchant Marine. We also went through the museum and it was most interesting.


  25. lobo91
    26 | June 2, 2013 2:09 pm

    Report: Obama Made Secret Deal To Back Hillary Clinton In 2016…

    Not sure if I believe this. Or if anyone will want Obama’s endorsement in 2016.


  26. heysoos
    27 | June 2, 2013 2:09 pm

    @ lobo91:
    duh…BO is a pathological liar, proven many times…the reaction to all these scandals are really entertaining….all this fake shock, back pedaling and spin


  27. heysoos
    28 | June 2, 2013 2:12 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    @ heysoos:
    @ Bumr50:
    A friend of mine and I went to Fort Stanton yesterday and walked through the Merchant Marine cemetery. It’s still an active military cemetery and there are graves of our war dead as recent as this year. Way over in a far corner of the cemetery are 5 headstones all alone. 4 of them are of those 4 Germans who died while interned at Fort Stanton. The other one is for what appears to be a German citizen who was in the American Merchant Marine. We also went through the museum and it was most interesting.

    been there…all that Lincoln County stuff is most interesting…Lincoln itself is pretty cool if you’re into the old west


  28. huckfunn
    29 | June 2, 2013 2:13 pm

    In many ways, Fort Stanton was the Guantanimo of its day. The detainees were not prisoners, as such. They were not POWs and they were not criminals. Their status was totally unique and they need to be kept somewhere. The remoteness of Fort Stanton made it the ideal place. It truly is not on the way to anywhere. You have to be going to Fort Stanton to get there.


  29. heysoos
    30 | June 2, 2013 2:15 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    In many ways, Fort Stanton was the Guantanimo of its day. The detainees were not prisoners, as such. They were not POWs and they were not criminals. Their status was totally unique and they needed to be kept somewhere. The remoteness of Fort Stanton made it the ideal place. It truly is not on the way to anywhere. You have to be going to Fort Stanton to get there.

    the drive from there back up to Ruidoso or back to the Capitans are favorites of mine


  30. huckfunn
    31 | June 2, 2013 2:16 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    been there…all that Lincoln County stuff is most interesting…Lincoln itself is pretty cool if you’re into the old west

    The area around Fort Stanton is beautiful. The Village of Lincoln is so tiny that it’s hard to imagine there’s so much history that swirls around the place. If the speed limit wasn’t 35, it would take you about 40 seconds to go through there at 55.


  31. lobo91
    32 | June 2, 2013 2:18 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    It was unique in the US, but not totally. Switzerland interned thousands of personnel from both sides during the war, mostly downed airmen.


  32. huckfunn
    33 | June 2, 2013 2:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    It was unique in the US, but not totally. Switzerland interned thousands of personnel from both sides during the war, mostly downed airmen.

    I didn’t know that, but it makes sense. There was a POW camp over in Roswell that housed over 4,000 captured Germans. At the end of the war they were all re-patriated to Germany but there were a number of them who returned to NM and became good U.S. citizens.


  33. lobo91
    34 | June 2, 2013 2:26 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    I didn’t know that, but it makes sense. There was a POW camp over in Roswell that housed over 4,000 captured Germans. At the end of the war they were all re-patriated to Germany but there were a number of them who returned to NM and became good U.S. citizens.

    There was a camp near Trinidad, too, just over the state line.

    Allied or Axis troops captured in Switzerland weren’t technically POWs, since Switzerland wasn’t at war with either side, but they were held until the end of the war.


  34. heysoos
    35 | June 2, 2013 2:33 pm

    people don’t no what they are missing if they never visit the vast southwest, last outpost of rugged individualism…you’d have to be one brave, tough hombre to go out into the hinterlands of west Texas or southern New Mexico or Arizona…it’s isolated, ultra hard, hot, dry and in the old times, Apaches and Mexican banditos would kill you in a heartbeat…except for mining, like Silver City or Tombstone, or Bisbee, there was literlly no civilization til well into the 20th century….imagine how those people out here feel about gun control or Big Gulps or border security….you have to be there I guess


  35. heysoos
    37 | June 2, 2013 2:36 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ huckfunn:
    It was unique in the US, but not totally. Switzerland interned thousands of personnel from both sides during the war, mostly downed airmen.

    I didn’t know that, but it makes sense. There was a POW camp over in Roswell that housed over 4,000 captured Germans. At the end of the war they were all re-patriated to Germany but there were a number of them who returned to NM and became good U.S. citizens.

    Roswell is like an outpost on the moon, so desolate and isolated…no wonder aliens chose it to check out hoomons


  36. brookly red
    38 | June 2, 2013 2:37 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    In many ways, Fort Stanton was the Guantanimo of its day. The detainees were not prisoners, as such. They were not POWs and they were not criminals. Their status was totally unique and they need to be kept somewhere. The remoteness of Fort Stanton made it the ideal place. It truly is not on the way to anywhere. You have to be going to Fort Stanton to get there.

    That is an interesting point, kinda like the interned Japanese.


  37. heysoos
    39 | June 2, 2013 2:44 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:
    In many ways, Fort Stanton was the Guantanimo of its day. The detainees were not prisoners, as such. They were not POWs and they were not criminals. Their status was totally unique and they need to be kept somewhere. The remoteness of Fort Stanton made it the ideal place. It truly is not on the way to anywhere. You have to be going to Fort Stanton to get there.

    That is an interesting point, kinda like the interned Japanese.

    the US Army interned the Navajo very near there in the mid 1860′s at Bosque Redondo on the Pecos river…the whole region is perfect for herding people


  38. brookly red
    40 | June 2, 2013 2:48 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:
    In many ways, Fort Stanton was the Guantanimo of its day. The detainees were not prisoners, as such. They were not POWs and they were not criminals. Their status was totally unique and they need to be kept somewhere. The remoteness of Fort Stanton made it the ideal place. It truly is not on the way to anywhere. You have to be going to Fort Stanton to get there.

    That is an interesting point, kinda like the interned Japanese.

    the US Army interned the Navajo very near there in the mid 1860′s at Bosque Redondo on the Pecos river…the whole region is perfect for herding people

    if you want to see herding try to imagine 2,000,000 + Jerseyites passing through Port Authority every morning… I can’t help but think the military helped plan that place.


  39. heysoos
    41 | June 2, 2013 2:50 pm

    @ brookly red:
    no thanks…I party in the East, but much prefer the west to live…people live like ants up there


  40. huckfunn
    42 | June 2, 2013 2:50 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    the US Army interned the Navajo very near there in the mid 1860′s at Bosque Redondo on the Pecos river…the whole region is perfect for herding people

    I’ve been there, too. While they called it a reservation, Bosque Redondo was, in actuality, closer to a concentration camp. The Army put several hundred Mescalero Apaches in the Redondo with several thousands of Navajos, their traditional enemies. There was no food and the streams and creeks were alkaline and unfit for human consumption. Many died from gastric disorders as a result of drinking the water.


  41. brookly red
    43 | June 2, 2013 2:51 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    no thanks…I party in the East, but much prefer the west to live…people live like ants up there

    ants is a pretty good description…


  42. brookly red
    44 | June 2, 2013 2:53 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    the US Army interned the Navajo very near there in the mid 1860′s at Bosque Redondo on the Pecos river…the whole region is perfect for herding people

    I’ve been there, too. While they called it a reservation, Bosque Redondo was, in actuality, closer to a concentration camp. The Army put several hundred Mescalero Apaches in the Redondo with several thousands of Navajos, their traditional enemies. There was no food and the streams and creeks were alkaline and unfit for human consumption. Many died from gastric disorders as a result of drinking the water.

    don’t think for a moment they wouldn’t do it to you or me…


  43. heysoos
    45 | June 2, 2013 2:54 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    the US Army interned the Navajo very near there in the mid 1860′s at Bosque Redondo on the Pecos river…the whole region is perfect for herding people
    I’ve been there, too. While they called it a reservation, Bosque Redondo was, in actuality, closer to a concentration camp. The Army put several hundred Mescalero Apaches in the Redondo with several thousands of Navajos, their traditional enemies. There was no food and the streams and creeks were alkaline and unfit for human consumption. Many died from gastric disorders as a result of drinking the water.

    it was a death camp…and after just a couple of years the guy that put them there Kit Carson, demanded to end the folly and let them go home, which they did…I know you know all this, but others might find it interesting


  44. huckfunn
    46 | June 2, 2013 2:55 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    don’t think for a moment they wouldn’t do it to you or me…

    That’s a fact! Gotta run.

    BBL…


  45. huckfunn
    47 | June 2, 2013 2:59 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    it was a death camp…and after just a couple of years the guy that put them there Kit Carson, demanded to end the folly and let them go home, which they did…I know you know all this, but others might find it interesting

    Lots of interesting history here. One of these days I’m going to do a thread on Oliver Lee and his shennanigans. I went to high school with his grandson.


  46. brookly red
    48 | June 2, 2013 3:03 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    the US Army interned the Navajo very near there in the mid 1860′s at Bosque Redondo on the Pecos river…the whole region is perfect for herding people
    I’ve been there, too. While they called it a reservation, Bosque Redondo was, in actuality, closer to a concentration camp. The Army put several hundred Mescalero Apaches in the Redondo with several thousands of Navajos, their traditional enemies. There was no food and the streams and creeks were alkaline and unfit for human consumption. Many died from gastric disorders as a result of drinking the water.

    it was a death camp…and after just a couple of years the guy that put them there Kit Carson, demanded to end the folly and let them go home, which they did…I know you know all this, but others might find it interesting

    based on our history I don’t find all these crazies on the internet screaming about fema camps completely over the top…


  47. heysoos
    49 | June 2, 2013 3:04 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    that in itself is a hell of a story…hiked up to his place in the park…unbelievable sunset views from up there


  48. heysoos
    50 | June 2, 2013 3:07 pm

    @ brookly red:
    then FEMA better have huge morgue facilities…people out here laugh at FEMA…bring it on


  49. John Difool
    51 | June 2, 2013 3:16 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Within the last few months after all of the revelations about how our federal government is using supposed non-partisan agencies to target private citizens & non-profit orgs….. the Alex Jones crowd are starting to look like the sane ones.


  50. brookly red
    52 | June 2, 2013 3:25 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Within the last few months after all of the revelations about how our federal government is using supposed non-partisan agencies to target private citizens & non-profit orgs….. the Alex Jones crowd are starting to look like the sane ones.

    yeah, all the DHS ammo buys and all…it’s starting to look like what may parents came here to escape from. I think the chick from the DR I know might be right, it’s time to retire to a sunny island.


  51. heysoos
    53 | June 2, 2013 3:28 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    Within the last few months after all of the revelations about how our federal government is using supposed non-partisan agencies to target private citizens & non-profit orgs….. the Alex Jones crowd are starting to look like the sane ones.

    yeah, all the DHS ammo buys and all…it’s starting to look like what may parents came here to escape from. I think the chick from the DR I know might be right, it’s time to retire to a sunny island.

    exactly why I bought land in Jamaica…my fallback, if I can get there when it all crashes


  52. brookly red
    54 | June 2, 2013 3:33 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Within the last few months after all of the revelations about how our federal government is using supposed non-partisan agencies to target private citizens & non-profit orgs….. the Alex Jones crowd are starting to look like the sane ones.

    but to be truthful this is nothing new, corruption is as old as written history…


  53. The Osprey
    55 | June 2, 2013 3:34 pm


  54. lobo91
    56 | June 2, 2013 3:43 pm

    @ John Difool:

    IRS Spent $50 Million On Conferences In Two Years, Including Staying In Pricey Presidential Suites

    A government watchdog has found that the Internal Revenue Service spent about $50 million to hold about 220 conferences for employees between 2010 and 2012, according to a House committee.

    That total included $4 million for an August 2010 conference in Anaheim, Calif., for which the agency did not negotiate lower room rates, even though that is standard government practice, according to a statement by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

    Instead, some of the 2,600 attendees received benefits, including staying in expensive presidential suites. In addition, 15 outside speakers were paid a total of $135,000 in fees, with one paid $17,000 to talk about “leadership through art,” the House committee said.

    I’m still trying to figure out what, exactly, the IRS needs to hold 220 “conferences” about in the first place.


  55. heysoos
    57 | June 2, 2013 3:45 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    IRS Spent $50 Million On Conferences In Two Years, Including Staying In Pricey Presidential Suites
    A government watchdog has found that the Internal Revenue Service spent about $50 million to hold about 220 conferences for employees between 2010 and 2012, according to a House committee.
    That total included $4 million for an August 2010 conference in Anaheim, Calif., for which the agency did not negotiate lower room rates, even though that is standard government practice, according to a statement by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.
    Instead, some of the 2,600 attendees received benefits, including staying in expensive presidential suites. In addition, 15 outside speakers were paid a total of $135,000 in fees, with one paid $17,000 to talk about “leadership through art,” the House committee said.
    I’m still trying to figure out what, exactly, the IRS needs to hold 220 “conferences” about in the first place.

    it’s for fun, a party…there is no more to it…you are being ripped iff


  56. 58 | June 2, 2013 3:46 pm

    @ brookly red:

    The Ammo buys look a lot more sinister when coupled with the IRS and AP scandals. So does that NSA datawarehouse in Utah. Basically, the Federal governemtn has again proved that they can’t be trusted with anything of significance. They let Tamerlan Tsarnaev out unsupervised, but felt the need to give the Tea PArty all kinds of extra scrutiney. What they did to True the Vote was interdepartmental, too. Hard to credibly claim it was just a “few” low-level functionaries…


  57. John Difool
    59 | June 2, 2013 3:47 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    Within the last few months after all of the revelations about how our federal government is using supposed non-partisan agencies to target private citizens & non-profit orgs….. the Alex Jones crowd are starting to look like the sane ones.

    but to be truthful this is nothing new, corruption is as old as written history…

    True, but we’re longer talking about run-of-the-mill corruption here. We’re talking about private citizens & activist groups being singled out & targeted by government agencies that are supposed to be non-partisan (outside of the actual WH administration itself) for the things they say, way they vote, donate or advocate.

    The rub is, we’re paying for them to target us.

    We’re getting into 1984 territory here.


  58. brookly red
    60 | June 2, 2013 3:53 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    Within the last few months after all of the revelations about how our federal government is using supposed non-partisan agencies to target private citizens & non-profit orgs….. the Alex Jones crowd are starting to look like the sane ones.

    but to be truthful this is nothing new, corruption is as old as written history…

    True, but we’re longer talking about run-of-the-mill corruption here. We’re talking about private citizens & activist groups being singled out & targeted by government agencies that are supposed to be non-partisan (outside of the actual WH administration itself) for the things they say, way they vote, donate or advocate.

    The rub is, we’re paying for them to target us.

    We’re getting into 1984 territory here.

    well that is exactly it Congress should de-fund the IRS for 30 days as a warning shot… any member unwilling to go along is an enemy of the people.


  59. brookly red
    61 | June 2, 2013 3:55 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    The Ammo buys look a lot more sinister when coupled with the IRS and AP scandals. So does that NSA datawarehouse in Utah. Basically, the Federal governemtn has again proved that they can’t be trusted with anything of significance. They let Tamerlan Tsarnaev out unsupervised, but felt the need to give the Tea PArty all kinds of extra scrutiney. What they did to True the Vote was interdepartmental, too. Hard to credibly claim it was just a “few” low-level functionaries…

    we are a bunch of old farts complaining, God willing the 20 somethings will rise


  60. John Difool
    62 | June 2, 2013 4:00 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    John Difool wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    Within the last few months after all of the revelations about how our federal government is using supposed non-partisan agencies to target private citizens & non-profit orgs….. the Alex Jones crowd are starting to look like the sane ones.
    but to be truthful this is nothing new, corruption is as old as written history…
    True, but we’re longer talking about run-of-the-mill corruption here. We’re talking about private citizens & activist groups being singled out & targeted by government agencies that are supposed to be non-partisan (outside of the actual WH administration itself) for the things they say, way they vote, donate or advocate.
    The rub is, we’re paying for them to target us.
    We’re getting into 1984 territory here.

    well that is exactly it Congress should de-fund the IRS for 30 days as a warning shot… any member unwilling to go along is an enemy of the people.

    Works for me. Our tax-code should not be 76,980 pages longer than our Constitution & Bill of Rights.


  61. 63 | June 2, 2013 4:25 pm

    @ heysoos:

    It all started with…Stan.


  62. 64 | June 2, 2013 4:27 pm

    According to IRS testimony, the orders to target the Tea Party came form DC:

    House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) revealed new testimony from IRS employees on CNN’s State of The Union on Sunday. According to transcribed excerpts released by the Committee, a Cincinnati IRS employee made it clear they were told by Washington, D.C. personnel to give extra scrutiny to Tea Party groups:

    Q: In early 2010, was there a time when you became aware of applications that referenced Tea Party or other conservative groups?

    A: In March of 2010, I was made aware.

    ******

    Q: Okay. Now, was there a point around this time period when [your supervisor] asked you to do a search for similar applications?

    A: Yes.

    Q: To the best of your recollection, when was this request made?

    A: Sometime in early March of 2010.

    ******

    Q: Did [your supervisor] give you any indication of the need for the search, any more context?

    A: He told me that Washington, D.C., wanted some cases.

    Just a “few” mavericks, right? As I said earlier, I doubt Obama himself signed off on this, but he did create the environment that it took place in. Ultimately the responsibility is his.


  63. heysoos
    65 | June 2, 2013 4:28 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    It all started with…Stan.

    what started with Stan, and who’s Stan


  64. heysoos
    66 | June 2, 2013 4:32 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    the IRS answers to the POTUS…anything else is irrelevant…same with the DoJ and Benghazi…I don’t split hairs or indulge in media semantics…you could post a thousand blurbs about who did what, matters not to me, not since day one…it’s pretty simple


  65. 67 | June 2, 2013 4:32 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    what started with Stan, and who’s Stan

    This is a representation of Stan. You know, the guy who got Eve to eat from the Tree of Life and tried to tempt Jesus Christ in the desert:


  66. heysoos
    68 | June 2, 2013 4:34 pm

    @ Macker:
    I don’t follow the Bible or Hollywood…I’m pretty uninteresting in that regard


  67. lobo91
    69 | June 2, 2013 4:38 pm

    @ brookly red:

    well that is exactly it Congress should de-fund the IRS for 30 days as a warning shot… any member unwilling to go along is an enemy of the people.

    Ted Cruz agrees, but Howard Dean says he’s evil and stuff:

    Howard Dean: “Right-Wing Nut Job” Ted Cruz Doesn’t “Care About The Country”…

    HOWARD DEAN: It’s silly. It’s like Rand Paul talking about getting rid of The Fed. It’s a silly idea and if you actually did it, the economy would collapse. This is what you’re up against. Ted Cruz is holding up the budget of the United States of America. Senior Republicans in the House, in the Senate, would like to have a conference committee on the budget. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio and some guy from Utah are holding up the budget because they’re right-wing nut jobs who don’t care — fundamentally don’t care about the country. What they care about is their own political career and that is what is wrong with this country today.


  68. 70 | June 2, 2013 4:39 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Stan has been mentioned countless times on this blog.


  69. heysoos
    71 | June 2, 2013 4:42 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Stan has been mentioned countless times on this blog.

    I scroll alot and try not to get into the religious aspect of a thread


  70. heysoos
    72 | June 2, 2013 4:45 pm

    @ lobo91:
    when you gotta drag Howard Dean out of the closet to trash conservatives, you know the donks are in trouble…maybe he’d like to debate Cruzer on todays issues, ya think?


  71. John Difool
    73 | June 2, 2013 4:49 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    when you gotta drag Howard Dean out of the closet to trash conservatives, you know the donks are in trouble…maybe he’d like to debate Cruzer on todays issues, ya think?

    You don’t have to drag Howard Dean out of a closet to trash conservatives….pretty sure the dirty dentist does it in his sleep. Just one time though I’d like to see him do it while sucking on laughing gas like Dennis Hopper did in Blue Velvet.

    YEEEE-HAHAHAHAHAHA-LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL-AAAAAAARGGGHHHH !!!!


  72. lobo91
    74 | June 2, 2013 4:51 pm

    Report: Some In WH Wants Holder To Resign

    Presidential aides are privately admitting to a growing frustration inside the White House with Attorney General Eric Holder’s political ineptness in the press leak investigations and are hoping the embattled appointee will resign from office, The New York Times reports.

    “The White House is apoplectic about him, and has been for a long time,” said an anonymous Democrat source, identified only as a former government employee who acknowledged the White House staffers in question are his friends.

    As long as his resignation is followed up with prosecution, it’s fine by me.


  73. heysoos
    75 | June 2, 2013 4:51 pm

    @ John Difool:
    he’s two bit, third rate, and doesn’t count


  74. heysoos
    76 | June 2, 2013 4:53 pm

    @ lobo91:
    at this point, the amt of damage he’s doing, there is an argument to just let him do what he does best…lie
    anyway I think he’s defunct….trust in the DoJ is crashing


  75. lobo91
    77 | June 2, 2013 4:54 pm

    @ John Difool:

    Dean isn’t a dentist. He’s an MD.


  76. 78 | June 2, 2013 4:57 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I don’t think Obama wants Holder to go, so what other functionaries may think is irrelevant.


  77. 79 | June 2, 2013 4:57 pm

    @ lobo91:

    MD == Mad Dog :mrgreen:


  78. lobo91
    80 | June 2, 2013 5:00 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I don’t think Obama wants Holder to go, so what other functionaries may think is irrelevant.

    Sure, the only opinion that matters is Obama’s (or Jarrett’s), but it’s interesting to hear that at least some people over there have apparently pulled their heads out.


  79. heysoos
    81 | June 2, 2013 5:01 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I don’t think Obama wants Holder to go, so what other functionaries may think is irrelevant.

    if course not, he himself would be more exposed…Holder is too stupid to realize his good buddy is fucking him up the ass…the entire lot of these people are are dumber than a herd of pigs and they are nicely destroying each other…keep up the pressure, and leave them alone


  80. lobo91
    82 | June 2, 2013 5:04 pm

    Rumor is that if Holder were to resign, he’d be replaced by Napolitano.

    Not sure if that’s better or worse.


  81. heysoos
    83 | June 2, 2013 5:04 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    I don’t think Obama wants Holder to go, so what other functionaries may think is irrelevant.
    Sure, the only opinion that matters is Obama’s (or Jarrett’s), but it’s interesting to hear that at least some people over there have apparently pulled their heads out.

    two words…
    Sammy the Bull


  82. 84 | June 2, 2013 5:07 pm

    @ lobo91:

    She’s proven herself to be an incompetant stooge at DHS. I’d say that makes her Holder’s equal.


  83. lobo91
    85 | June 2, 2013 5:09 pm

    Former Top Obama Adviser David Plouffe Say IRS Targeting Conservative Groups “Not Political”…

    On Sunday’s broadcast of ABC’s “This Week,” former George W. Bush Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove and former senior adviser to President Barack Obama David Plouffe faced off over whether the Internal Revenue Service’s abuse of its powers to target conservative political groups was a political matter.

    According to Plouffe, there were no indications those abuses were politically motivated.

    “There’s been no suggestion — the independent, the prosecutor looked at this, excuse me, the inspector general said there was no politics involved in this,” Plouffe said. “No one has indicated at all that the White House is involved. The IRS director was appointed under President [George W.] Bush, served under both presidents, attested…. So this was not a political pursuit.”

    How much are they paying these people to go on TV and make these asinine statements?


  84. heysoos
    86 | June 2, 2013 5:11 pm

    @ lobo91:
    exactly


  85. lobo91
    87 | June 2, 2013 5:12 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    She’s proven herself to be an incompetant stooge at DHS. I’d say that makes her Holder’s equal.

    She won’t be the first DADT AG, of course. We already had 8 years of Janet Reno.

    Just keep her away from matches.


  86. lobo91
    88 | June 2, 2013 5:18 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Whenever a lib lies and claims that liberal groups were targeted, too, I really wish someone would bring up the bogus Barack Obama Foundation, which was approved in less than 30 days, without even having a real address.


  87. heysoos
    89 | June 2, 2013 5:20 pm

    5 donk senators…the most powerful men in the world…
    and each is a fucking idiot…
    chew on that


  88. heysoos
    90 | June 2, 2013 5:24 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Whenever a lib lies and claims that liberal groups were targeted, too, I really wish someone would bring up the bogus Barack Obama Foundation, which was approved in less than 30 days, without even having a real address.

    someone will, sooner or later…as I’ve said many times, this stuff may drop of the media radar but it will not go away…like a bad penny…
    I’m sure BO has wildly underestimated the level of anger he generates…the emotion is there to stay, and we need leaders to quietly keep up the pressure, and I for one think Issa has taken a bum rap here with some folks…yesterday he called Carney a ‘paid liar’….hahaha, he’s in the game…patience is a virtue, eh?


  89. John Difool
    91 | June 2, 2013 5:25 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Dean isn’t a dentist. He’s an MD.

    Oh lawdy, why have I always thought he was a dentist? Probably because he reminds me of Corben Bernsen I guess.


  90. 92 | June 2, 2013 5:29 pm

    @ lobo91:

    If Janet Incompetano became AG, she’d be busy hanging out with the Wise DADT Justice….


  91. lobo91
    93 | June 2, 2013 5:40 pm

    Brokaw: “Tough To See” How Holder Holds Onto His Job

    On Sunday’s “Meet the Press,” long-time NBC News personality Tom Brokaw said that in the wake of the various scandals plaguing the Obama administration’s Department of Justice, Attorney General Eric Holder’s role as the nation’s top law enforcement official could be nearing its end.

    Brokaw explained it would be in the president’s best interest to clear up these allegations, since Holder’s role has been dominant in media and Republican circles.


  92. 94 | June 2, 2013 5:44 pm

    @ Macker:

    Good looking avatar!


  93. heysoos
    95 | June 2, 2013 5:52 pm

    @ lobo91:
    duh…very astute Tom


  94. heysoos
    96 | June 2, 2013 5:54 pm

    “clear up these allegations!”
    (pass the choom)


  95. John Difool
    97 | June 2, 2013 5:57 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    If Janet Incompetano became AG, she’d be busy hanging out with the Wise DADT Justice….

    You mean ‘The Wise™ Potato Chips’ Latina ?


  96. heysoos
    98 | June 2, 2013 5:59 pm

    isn’t it swell when some famous millionaire twit goes on tv and tells you something you figured out 2 months ago? and he gets paid for his kiddy observation?


  97. 99 | June 2, 2013 6:08 pm

    @ John Difool:

    No, the Wise Lesbian.


  98. heysoos
    100 | June 2, 2013 6:10 pm

    there is thunder up toward the Sandias…could it be?
    NM has had an average of 0.9″ of rain so far this year, mostly in the mountains…
    Pecos Canyon, a premier attraction is on fire…NM is fucked…pretty hard to deny any climate change down here


  99. heysoos
    101 | June 2, 2013 6:14 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    No, the Wise Lesbian.

    let me guess, that’s secret code for H Clinton?


  100. 102 | June 2, 2013 6:17 pm

    @ heysoos:

    No. Обама’s second appointee.


  101. lobo91
    103 | June 2, 2013 6:19 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Macker wrote:
    @ John Difool:
    No, the Wise Lesbian.
    let me guess, that’s secret code for H Clinton?

    Kagan


  102. heysoos
    104 | June 2, 2013 6:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Macker wrote:
    @ John Difool:
    No, the Wise Lesbian.
    let me guess, that’s secret code for H Clinton?
    Kagan

    the pace is so slow here, and posts so cryptic and far between…I lose track…by the time I know who you’re talking about, I forgotten the question…


  103. mawskrat
    105 | June 2, 2013 6:33 pm

    well I’m jus passin’ through….I pray every one
    had a great day.

    for my feral friends from Texas!!!!


  104. Bumr50
    106 | June 2, 2013 6:36 pm

    @ mawskrat:

    Thanks!

    You as well!


  105. lobo91
    107 | June 2, 2013 6:46 pm

    LA State Sen. Guillory Leaves Democratic “Party Of Disappointment”, To Become First Black Republican Senator Since Reconstruction

    On Friday, Guillory said he had come to disagree with the direction of the Louisiana Democratic Party, which he referred to as “the party of disappointment.” He expressed his opposition with the party’s stances on abortion, the Second Amendment, education and immigration.

    “Today, the party of disappointment has moved away from the majority of Louisiana. They have moved away from the traditional values of most Americans,” he said. “Their policies have encouraged the high teen birth rates, high school drip out rates, high incarceration rates and very high unemployment rates.”

    Obviously another raaaaacist
    //


  106. Bumr50
    108 | June 2, 2013 7:06 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Yeah, I just ran into one of those “everything’s racist” people on Twitter.

    Whenever the racialist “leaders” go on cable news to make an obscure racism allegation, or are pushing “special interest” legislation, they almost always use some form of the word “proportion.”

    “Equality” and “proportionality” are two VERY, VERY different things.


  107. heysoos
    109 | June 2, 2013 7:58 pm

    sonic treats…
    the renowned Hubert Sumlin…sidekick to the Wolf, old time blues ginned up a bit


  108. Calo
    110 | June 2, 2013 8:05 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Heh, always a joy to see Mr Sumlinn.

    Now, where is BTR tonight?


  109. heysoos
    111 | June 2, 2013 8:09 pm

    @ Calo:
    don’t know who BTR is


  110. Calo
    112 | June 2, 2013 8:11 pm

    @ heysoos:
    No problem, it’s never been on your radar.


  111. heysoos
    113 | June 2, 2013 8:15 pm

    Jimmy Reed, a huge influence to Kieth Richards and Jagger….this guy was really talented, a major record company goldmine…but he drank himself to death, too early..if you can’t hear the Stones in this song, we are not in the same book…Jimmy Reed doin a little shuffle here


  112. heysoos
    114 | June 2, 2013 8:24 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    No problem, it’s never been on your radar.

    thanks for being so informative…
    meanwhile, some Sonny Boy Williamson…
    astute member of Mt Bluesmore


  113. Bumr50
    115 | June 2, 2013 8:33 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Midnight Rambler.


  114. Bumr50
    116 | June 2, 2013 8:35 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Our radio show here.


  115. heysoos
    117 | June 2, 2013 8:36 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    yup, good call…the Stones were very traditional with that stuff…Kieth and Mick paid for Hubert Sumlins funeral and headstone


  116. heysoos
    118 | June 2, 2013 8:43 pm

    the Stones recorded ‘You Got To Move’ by Mississippi Fred McDowell for Stickey Fingers…they played it note for note exactly as written, then gave all the royalties to Fred…


  117. waldensianspirit
    119 | June 2, 2013 8:45 pm

    I see a sock puppet


  118. heysoos
    120 | June 2, 2013 8:48 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    I see a sock puppet

    okay, no more blues


  119. waldensianspirit
    121 | June 2, 2013 8:49 pm

    :mrgreen:


  120. heysoos
    122 | June 2, 2013 9:05 pm

    fun thread…sock puppets, little green circles…you wonder why more people don’t post here…wake me up when you bash the IRS again


  121. lobo91
    123 | June 2, 2013 9:06 pm

    Top NY Times Editor Rejects ‘Atmosphere of Scandal,’ Claims Public Wants to Give Obama Credit for Improving Economy

    Scandals? What scandals?

    And what would a NY Times editor know about what the public wants?


  122. heysoos
    124 | June 2, 2013 9:17 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Top NY Times Editor Rejects ‘Atmosphere of Scandal,’ Claims Public Wants to Give Obama Credit for Improving Economy
    Scandals? What scandals?
    And what would a NY Times editor know about what the public wants?

    .
    yawn..what’s your favorite tree?..I’ve read this shit a thousand times bro


  123. Da_Beerfreak
    125 | June 2, 2013 9:42 pm

    Put a cherry on top of a bowl of shit and the Mushrooms will eat it if the lame stream media tells them it’s ice cream. :evil:


  124. The Osprey
    126 | June 2, 2013 10:00 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    .
    yawn..what’s your favorite tree?..I’ve read this shit a thousand times bro

    The Larch


  125. heysoos
    127 | June 2, 2013 10:09 pm

    @ The Osprey:
    my favorite tree is the white pine….
    but I’m pre juiced, or whatever it is


  126. Bumr50
    128 | June 2, 2013 10:39 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Baobabs.

    Favorite North American tree?

    Silver Maple.

    Favorite photoshopped tree?

    Tree Of Half Life. (RIP Storm)

    Favorite scary tree?

    Poltergeist tree.


  127. Bumr50
    129 | June 2, 2013 10:40 pm

    I made too many links in my comment on trees.


  128. Bumr50
    130 | June 2, 2013 10:42 pm

    Baobabs.

    Favorite North American tree?

    Silver Maple.

    Favorite photoshopped tree?

    Tree Of Half Life. (RIP Storm)

    Favorite scary tree?

    Poltergeist tree.


  129. lobo91
    131 | June 2, 2013 10:43 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    I freed it


  130. Bumr50
    132 | June 2, 2013 10:46 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Thank you!

    Favorite tree to burn in a campfire?

    Hickory.

    Least favorite tree to burn in a campfire?

    Any long-needled conifer.

    Least favorite tree to split?

    Walnut.


  131. Bumr50
    133 | June 2, 2013 10:48 pm

    What’s the deal with Drudge linking to Infowars anyway?


  132. Da_Beerfreak
    134 | June 2, 2013 10:55 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    What’s the deal with Drudge linking to Infowars anyway?

    The World has sunk so far into madness that Infowars is starting to look sane… :cool:


  133. taxfreekiller
    135 | June 3, 2013 12:37 am

    Pop Corn time.

    Issa’s staff’s questions and answers toand from the IRS agents Obama and Jarrett had the bus tire tracks ready and waiting for have been posted on the Goverment Reform Committee web site.

    The bus itself may be a sitting duck for the big old truth bus.


  134. Bumr50
    136 | June 3, 2013 12:41 am

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    the big old truth bus.

    They’d better check the tires, battery, fuel tank, and oil before that puppy gets rolling again.


  135. Bumr50
    137 | June 3, 2013 12:44 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    the big old truth bus.

    They’d better check the tires, battery, fuel tank, and oil before that puppy gets rolling again.

    Not to mention the swamp critters that chew on the belts and hoses.


  136. taxfreekiller
    138 | June 3, 2013 12:57 am

    A knife fight within a bunch of IRS cutthroats and the Chicago way cutthroats just may end up bad for both sides we can hope.


  137. taxfreekiller
    139 | June 3, 2013 12:59 am

    World Class Cutthroat Thunder Drome.

    WCCTD


  138. yenta-fada
  139. Bumr50
    141 | June 3, 2013 2:05 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    We need to make Soetoro feel that way.


  140. lobo91
    142 | June 3, 2013 2:10 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    Erdogan is a social menace


  141. lobo91
    143 | June 3, 2013 2:13 am


  142. Bumr50
    144 | June 3, 2013 2:14 am

    “Get a speeding ticket” music from my younger years.

    Ah ah ahhh.


  143. lobo91
    145 | June 3, 2013 2:22 am


  144. lobo91
    146 | June 3, 2013 2:31 am


  145. lobo91
    147 | June 3, 2013 2:42 am

    It’s a southern rock sort of night:


  146. lobo91
    148 | June 3, 2013 3:26 am


  147. BatGuano
    149 | June 3, 2013 4:26 am

    @ lobo91:
    I still have the lp from about ’76.Great band.


  148. 150 | June 3, 2013 4:48 am

    Ooh -- life!


  149. BatGuano
    151 | June 3, 2013 5:03 am

    @ Mike C.:
    Wasn’t it HP Lovecraft who wrote, ” Life is a hideous thing.?”


  150. BatGuano
    152 | June 3, 2013 5:09 am

    How ya’ doin’ Mike C?


  151. 153 | June 3, 2013 5:29 am

    Doing mostly okay. You?

    I was just browsing through the NRA-ILA guide to interstate transport of firearms. Simplest solution I can see is to simply avoid CT, NY, MA, NJ, MD, IL, CA, HI and (of course) DC. Scratch Mexico and Canada, too, but that’s true of most foreign countries anyway.


  152. BatGuano
    154 | June 3, 2013 5:35 am

    @ Mike C.:
    Yes, I read manufacturers are contemplate leaving CT. I would too. You can’t do business in a hostile environment. States that are hostile to the 2nd amendment are dangerous to live in.


  153. 155 | June 3, 2013 5:39 am

    @ BatGuano:

    Beretta USA has been making noises about pulling out of MD. Beretta is a biggie. They make the US military M9s there.


  154. BatGuano
    156 | June 3, 2013 6:01 am

    @ Mike C.:
    All fire arm manufactures should pull out of the northeast while they can. I did not know about MD: Maryland, I thought, was more southern in the way they thought.


  155. 157 | June 3, 2013 6:35 am

    @ BatGuano:

    The Peoples’ Democratic Republic of Maryland is where Pelosi Galore’s dad stole his fortune as mayor of Baltimore. It is also where Beretta USA is HQed and has their main US plant. It would be great if they would just move across the Potomac river.

    Beretta is, of course, the oldest gun manufacturer on the planet.


  156. BatGuano
    158 | June 3, 2013 7:10 am

    @ Mike C.:
    I wasn’t aware of that. I am sure that the fire arms industry will do what is in their best interests. They do have an open invitation to move to Texas.


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