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Egypt threatens Ethiopia over a Nile dam

by Rodan ( 120 Comments › )
Filed under Africa, Egypt, Islamists, Muslim Brotherhood at June 12th, 2013 - 7:00 am

Obama and McCain’s buddies the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt are off barking. They are now threatening Ethiopia over a dam that nation is building over the Nile. Even more ominous, Egypt says all options are are on the table, which means military action.

CAIRO (AP) — Egypt’s president on Monday hardened his stance against Ethiopia and its construction of a Nile dam, warning that “all options are open” in dealing with the project that threatens to leave Egypt with a dangerous water shortage.

Speaking in a live televised speech before hundreds of supporters, Mohammed Morsi said Egypt is not calling for war, but it is willing to confront any threats to its water security.

“If it loses one drop, our blood is the alternative,” he said to a raucous crowd of largely Islamist supporters that erupted into a standing ovation.

Ethiopia’s $4.2 billion hydroelectric dam, which would be Africa’s largest, challenges a colonial-era agreement that had given Egypt and Sudan the lion’s share of rights to Nile water. Experts estimate that Egypt could lose as much as 20 percent of its Nile water in the three to five years needed for Ethiopia to fill a massive reservoir.

Ethiopia has one of the best militaries in Africa and would be no push over. Sadly the Obama Regime, Democrats and Republicans will back Egypt over Ethiopia. Both the Democrat and Republican parties will not dare offend their Arab Muslim paymasters.

Ethiopia is a sovereign nation and can build a dam where they please. They are also one of the oldest Christian nations on Earth and deserve support of American Christians.

 

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  1. Guggi
    1 | June 12, 2013 7:06 am

    Egypt says all options are are on the table, which means military action.

    An option O. never takes into account.


  2. 2 | June 12, 2013 7:13 am

    BFEgypt better watch their step. Ethiopia is 2-0 vs. Mohammedan countries!


  3. 3 | June 12, 2013 7:20 am

    @ Guggi:

    Obama will take military action to help his allies, by which I mean the Muslim Brotherhood and al Qaeda. He proved that in Libya. What he won’t do is take military action to defend America or her allies. I’m certain that the Iranians have noticed this.


  4. Guggi
    4 | June 12, 2013 7:22 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I fear you’re correct.


  5. 5 | June 12, 2013 7:23 am

    Riparian rights -- always a sticky subject. Whether Ethiopia has the right to just plunk down a dam and fill a reservoir ove a multi-year period is dependent on treaties they have signed. Somebody might want to check on those.


  6. 6 | June 12, 2013 7:28 am

    @ Mike C.:

    Will the New Egypt recognize treaties that the Old Egypt signed? I don’t know all the ins and outs of this area, but I know Morsi has sqwawked that they might not recognize the Peace Treaty with Israel until Obama coughed up the M1s and F-16s.


  7. Guggi
    7 | June 12, 2013 7:32 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    Riparian rights — always a sticky subject. Whether Ethiopia has the right to just plunk down a dam and fill a reservoir ove a multi-year period is dependent on treaties they have signed. Somebody might want to check on those.

    Egypt says its “historic rights” to the Nile are guaranteed by two treaties from 1929 and 1959 which allow it 87 percent of the Nile’s flow and give it veto power over upstream projects.

    But a new deal was signed in 2010 by other Nile Basin countries, including Ethiopia, allowing them to work on river projects without Cairo’s prior agreement.


  8. 8 | June 12, 2013 7:36 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Since Egypt appears (little real info up top, not much more in the full article) about treaty rights, I suspect they are at an advantage by treaty, so of course they will respect it. Looks like Ethiopia already pulled a fast one by diverting the Blue Nile without waiting on a regional development committee report.


  9. 9 | June 12, 2013 7:39 am

    @ Guggi:

    Deuling treaties and claims. Short of actual war, ought to be good for decades of fun in the UN and World Court.


  10. Guggi
    10 | June 12, 2013 7:54 am

    Sorry for going OT so soon but the sky is falling:

    IRS taxing of tanning beds and other Obamacare absurdities

    It is reassuring that amid so much government dysfunction, the Internal Revenue Service has resolved the question of when and whether to tax tanning beds under the Affordable Care Act.

    Do not be concerned about that giddiness you feel. You are not having a nervous breakdown but are suffering a symptom commonly associated with recognition that the absurd has become the accepted norm — and that you are, in fact, alone.


  11. 11 | June 12, 2013 8:09 am

    A war over water- it seems almost quaint by today’s standards.


  12. 12 | June 12, 2013 8:11 am

    Update on my prayer request for my co-worker from Monday. We found out yesterday that Kieth passed away Monday night from a massive stroke. Prayers for his widow, who’s got health issues of her own, and for their grand kids they were raising.


  13. 13 | June 12, 2013 8:12 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Sounds like something you’d read about in a Louis L’Amour book, doesn’t it?


  14. 14 | June 12, 2013 8:14 am

    This is what I’ve been saying:

    One person whose privacy was not invaded by U.S. intelligence was Tamerlan Tsarnaev, as he repeatedly visited the al Qaeda online magazine Inspire for its recipe “Build a Bomb in the Kitchen of Your Mom.”

    Even after Russian intelligence asked the FBI to investigate Tsarnaev, the huge databases our intelligence services maintain in the name of our national security failed to alert the agents to Tsarnaev’s interest in building the pressure cooker bombs he would use to devastating effect at the Boston Marathon.

    In the immediate aftermath of the Boston bombings, investigators did not fail to note similarities between those devices and the one described in Inspire. But the first solid intelligence specifically linking Tamerlan Tsarnaev and the magazine’s recipe came not from Big Brother but from his little bother, Dzhokhar, when he was interviewed by agents after allegedly helping to carry out the attack.

    The NSA surveillance isn’t about catching terrorists. If it were, they would have caught Tamerlan Tsarnaev before he set off his bombs at the Boston Marathon. I think it is blindingly obvious that the NSA surveillance is all about dealing with Obama’s domestic enemies. I wouold be very curious to find out if any information sharing went on between the NSA and OFA before the election last year. After all the other abuses of power we’ve seen from the Obama Administration, I would be surprised if such information sharing did not occur. Indeed, I wouldn’t believe it if it were reported as such. With Obama, the question isn’t did he abuse his power. The question is what can you prove against him.


  15. RIX
    15 | June 12, 2013 8:20 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    A war over water- it seems almost quaint by today’s standards.

    Our Obama walks on water.
    He will dispense justice, which
    of course means supporting the
    Muslim Brotherhood.


  16. Da_Beerfreak
    16 | June 12, 2013 8:29 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    Riparian rights — always a sticky subject. Whether Ethiopia has the right to just plunk down a dam and fill a reservoir ove[r] a multi-year period is dependent on treaties they have signed. Somebody might want to check on those.

    Treaties last only as long a the Parties find them to be useful or has enough force to make the other side comply with the terms of the Treaty.


  17. 17 | June 12, 2013 8:33 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Republicans will cheer on Obama as they always do on foreign policy. Despite the GOP’s allegedly Pro-Christian rhetoric, they never support Christians who actually take up arms to defend themselves.

    Neither Party gives a crap about Christians. The Democrats are outright hostile and the Republicans just feed rhetoric for votes.


  18. 18 | June 12, 2013 8:34 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    A war over water- it seems almost quaint by today’s standards.

    Itmaybe the wave of the future. I have read many analysis thatw ater wars are around the corner.


  19. Da_Beerfreak
    19 | June 12, 2013 8:35 am

    Where Oil and Water Do Mix:
    Environmental Scarcity
    and Future Conflict in the
    Middle East and North Africa

    JASON J. MORRISSETTE and DOUGLAS A. BORER
    © 2004 Jason J. Morrissette and Douglas A. Borer
    From Parameters, Winter 2004-05, pp. 86-101.

    “Many of the wars of the 20th century were about oil, but wars of the 21st
    century will be over water.”
    -- Isamil Serageldin
    World Bank Vice President

    In the eyes of a future observer, what will characterize the political landscape of the Middle East and North Africa? Will the future mirror the past or, as suggested by the quote above, are significant changes on the horizon? In the past, struggles over territory, ideology, colonialism, nationalism, religion, and oil have defined the region. While it is clear that many of those sources of conflict remain salient today, future war in the Middle East and North Africa also will be increasingly influenced by economic and demographic trends that do not bode well for the region. By 2025, world population is projected to reach eight billion.1 As a global figure, this number is troubling enough; however, over 90 percent of the projected growth will take place in developing countries in which the vast majority of the population is dependent on local renewable resources. For instance, World Bank estimates place the present annual growth rate in the Middle East and North Africa at 1.9 percent versus a worldwide average of 1.4 percent.2 In most of these countries, these precious renewable resources are controlled by small segments of the domestic political elite, leaving less and less to the majority of the population.

    As a result, if present population and economic trends continue, we project that many future conflicts throughout the region will be directly linked to what academic researchers term “environmental scarcity” the scarcity of renewable resources such as arable land, forests, and fresh water.

    The purpose of this article is twofold. In the first section, we conceptualize how environmental scarcity is linked to domestic political unrest and the subsequent crisis of domestic political legitimacy that may ultimately result in conflict. We review the academic literature which suggests that competition over water is the key environmental variable that will play an increasing role in future domestic challenges to governments throughout the region. We then describe how these crises of domestic political legitimacy may result in both intrastate and interstate conflict. Even though the Middle East can generally be characterized as an arid climate, two great river systems, the Nile and the Tigris/Euphrates, serve to anchor the major population centers in the region. Conflict over the water of the Nile may someday come to pass between Egypt, Sudan, and Ethiopia; while Turkey, Syria, and Iraq all are located along the Tigris/Euphrates watershed and compete for its resources. Further conflict over water may embroil Israel, Syria, and the Palestinians.
    (Emphasis added.)


  20. 20 | June 12, 2013 8:36 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I wouold be very curious to find out if any information sharing went on between the NSA and OFA before the election last year.

    I have NO DOUBT the NSA data-mined for OFA. This is typical Chicago tactics. Use government resources to win elections.


  21. 21 | June 12, 2013 8:39 am

    @ Rodan:

    No, no, no! That is impossible. The Ice Caps are going to melt and the world will be flooded. Global Warming! Didn’t you see Water World! That is the future!

    [/Al Gore]


  22. 22 | June 12, 2013 8:41 am

    @ Rodan:

    Oh, I don’t doubt it for a minute, but proving it may be difficult. One thing that characterizes all of Obama’s scandals is abuse of power. This is typical for a Chicago thug, and all Obama is is a Chicago thug made good. Kind of makes Watergate look lame, doesn’t it?


  23. 23 | June 12, 2013 8:45 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    What is needed is a snitch, that’s why the investigators should go after low level people. Someone will snitch.


  24. 24 | June 12, 2013 8:46 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Didn’t you see Water World!

    That was one of the worst movies I have ever seen. Kevin Koster with Fish gills was just stupid.


  25. 25 | June 12, 2013 8:55 am

    @ Rodan:

    Yeah, it was pretty awful. But it is the future! Al Gore says so. Global Wormining!!!!11ty!!


  26. 26 | June 12, 2013 8:56 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Even the NY Times is wondering where Global Warming went.


  27. 27 | June 12, 2013 8:57 am

    mfhorn wrote:

    Update on my prayer request for my co-worker from Monday. We found out yesterday that Kieth passed away Monday night from a massive stroke. Prayers for his widow, who’s got health issues of her own, and for their grand kids they were raising.

    I’m so sorry to hear that. Prayers for Keith’s family that they may find comfort.


  28. 28 | June 12, 2013 9:02 am

    @ Rodan:

    Yeah, it is pretty funny. Like I’ve said sine the beginning of it, the global climate isn’t qa constant. Mankind can do little to change it. It depends much more on the output of the sun than it does anything man can do. Global Warming was always primarily about restricting human freedom and upward mobility. The Left want the vast majority of the populace crushed under extreme poverty. This is what they call “equality”. Sub-Sarahan Africa is the model. Subsistance farmers living in huts with no electricity or running water is what they want. Global Warming was the vehicle to convince the West to give up their technological progress, for the masses, anyway. The “Elites” would have always had electricity and running water (and private jets). It all fell apart, though, when the planet failed to cooperate with them, and they couldn’t falsify enough “data” to convince the West to comitt economic suicide in the name of the Earth Cult.


  29. 29 | June 12, 2013 9:09 am

    Rodan wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    A war over water- it seems almost quaint by today’s standards.

    Itmaybe the wave of the future. I have read many analysis thatw ater wars are around the corner.

    The underdevelopment of underdeveloped countries is always a looming disaster. For generations, too many of these shitty little African countries have been pissing away money and resources fighting pointless wars with other shitty little countries, or themselves. Africa should be a breadbasket, instead, they use starvation as a tool to cull the population.


  30. waldensianspirit
    30 | June 12, 2013 9:13 am

    So this was the purpose of all the military tanks and jets given to the Egyptian muzzies


  31. 31 | June 12, 2013 9:13 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Yup.


  32. 32 | June 12, 2013 9:14 am

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Yup.


  33. EBL
    33 | June 12, 2013 9:17 am

    @ MacDuff:

    A war over water- it seems almost quaint by today’s standards.

    You obviously have not spent much time in California, Arizona, Nevada and Colorado.

    California would be Egypt and Colorado Ethiopia.

    It is the wave of the future.


  34. 34 | June 12, 2013 9:17 am

    @ waldensianspirit:

    That would appear likely. At the time I asked what Egypt needed them for. I never guessed War with Ethiopia. Africa isn’t an area that I really know a lot about. It is rich in natural resources and poor in terms of good government. There really isn’t a well-governed country on the entire continent.


  35. EBL
    35 | June 12, 2013 9:19 am

    Even the NY Times is wondering where Global Warming went.

    Maybe it is lost in the couch? Where did you see it last?


  36. 36 | June 12, 2013 9:22 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    There really isn’t a well-governed country on the entire continent.

    Ethiopia is and they have a good military. Russia backs Ethiopia, so don’t be shock if they get involved in this. Ethiopia is one of the oldest Christian Nations on Earth.


  37. 37 | June 12, 2013 9:23 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    Yeah, it is pretty funny. Like I’ve said sine the beginning of it, the global climate isn’t qa constant. Mankind can do little to change it. It depends much more on the output of the sun than it does anything man can do. Global Warming was always primarily about restricting human freedom and upward mobility. The Left want the vast majority of the populace crushed under extreme poverty. This is what they call “equality”. Sub-Sarahan Africa is the model. Subsistance farmers living in huts with no electricity or running water is what they want. Global Warming was the vehicle to convince the West to give up their technological progress, for the masses, anyway. The “Elites” would have always had electricity and running water (and private jets). It all fell apart, though, when the planet failed to cooperate with them, and they couldn’t falsify enough “data” to convince the West to comitt economic suicide in the name of the Earth Cult.

    I spent seven years riding on airliners, virtually on a daily basis. At 30K ft, in the daytime, you see very, very little sign that the country is even populated. It gives one a lot of perspective- we’re really nothing in the face of nature and the thought that we can actually affect the climate is something I find absurd. Yeah, we can reroute rivers and build dams but go up just a few miles in the air and you see just how insignificant most rivers really are.

    Man-made climate change theory is the pinnacle of human arrogance and there’s not much that convince me otherwise.


  38. waldensianspirit
    38 | June 12, 2013 9:23 am

    Such a quaint idea protecting humans from the environment


  39. 39 | June 12, 2013 9:23 am

    @ EBL:

    I last saw Global Warming at the beach! :lol:


  40. 40 | June 12, 2013 9:28 am

    @ Rodan:

    That’s all we need, another flash-point where America and Russia can be on opposing sides. Because there is no doubt that Obama will back the Muslim Brotherhood. He has little principles, but his comittment to the Muslims is beyond dispute.


  41. 41 | June 12, 2013 9:29 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Ethiopia is and they have a good military. Russia backs Ethiopia, so don’t be shock if they get involved in this. Ethiopia is one of the oldest Christian Nations on Earth.

    They have a Jewish sect of which no one really knows the origin, who are rumored to possess the Ark of the Covenant. They probably don’t, but it’s pretty interesting.

    (Yeah, I spend entirely too much time watching The History Channel in the wee hours……)


  42. RIX
    42 | June 12, 2013 9:30 am

    “The Turkish government has said over and over again that it is not an Islamic government as you might find in Iran,” Amanpour began. “You can see that. We know that it has no plans to make Turkey into an Islamic Republic in the way that you see in places like Iran or elsewhere.”

    This was Cristiane Amanpour enlightening viewers
    on CNN yesterday.
    Silly protestors, Erdogon is just a wild & crazy guy,
    not some Islamist, c’mon!/


  43. 43 | June 12, 2013 9:34 am

    EBL wrote:

    You obviously have not spent much time in California, Arizona, Nevada and Colorado.

    California would be Egypt and Colorado Ethiopia.

    It is the wave of the future.

    Actually I have and I’ve always marveled how we turned desert into usable and highly populated land through infrastructure. Of course, wildfires seem to be one of the prices to be paid….


  44. 44 | June 12, 2013 9:35 am

    @ RIX:

    Aloha Snackbar!


  45. RIX
    45 | June 12, 2013 9:37 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Aloha Snackbar!

    Nothin to worry about, nothin at all.


  46. 46 | June 12, 2013 9:39 am

    RIX wrote:

    Silly protestors, Erdogon is just a wild & crazy guy,
    not some Islamist, c’mon!/

    “These are not the Mohammedan droids we are looking for. Move along………”


  47. RIX
    47 | June 12, 2013 9:39 am

    They have a Jewish sect of which no one really knows the origin, who are rumored to possess the Ark of the Covenant. They probably don’t, but it’s pretty interesting.

    (Yeah, I spend entirely too much time watching The History Channel in the wee hours……)

    reply | quote
    - See more at: http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2013/06/12/egypt-threatens-ethiopia-over-a-nile-damn/#comment-1223646@ MacDuff:

    Wasn’t Ethiopia the First Nation to convert to Christanity?


  48. MikeA
    48 | June 12, 2013 9:40 am

    @ RIX:

    So basically she says… believe them cause I said so.


  49. RIX
    49 | June 12, 2013 9:42 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Silly protestors, Erdogon is just a wild & crazy guy,
    not some Islamist, c’mon!/

    “These are not the Mohammedan droids we are looking for. Move along………”

    Hey Muslims are just folks & as American as falafels.
    Ok, a few misunderstanders of the Koran.
    It’s the extreme 99% that give the moderate 1% a bad name.


  50. 50 | June 12, 2013 9:42 am

    @ MikeA:

    Because she’s not prejudiced at all. Nope, she is a neutral arbiter. If you don’t believe her, she might cut off your head…


  51. 51 | June 12, 2013 9:43 am

    @ RIX:

    If not the first, one of the first. They really don’t get much credit- most Americans see no more than a bloated, starving child with flies on his face when Ethiopia is mentioned. There is certainly a lot of that, but there’s a lot more as well.


  52. 52 | June 12, 2013 9:47 am

    All these liberals are always whining about “man-made this and “man-made” that, but they conveniently never talk about the man-made, centuries long, human disaster that is Africa.


  53. 53 | June 12, 2013 9:48 am

    Mark Steyn on Moderate Muslims:

    Daniel Pipes, a regular contributor round these parts, appeared on a somewhat fractious panel in Toronto recently, and toward the end (scroll down) was asked where the “moderate Muslims” were. He responded that many of them were in the room. Indeed, it seems entirely possible that all of them were in the room. Daniel eventually took a crack at the numbers and concluded that “Islamists” made up 10 to 15 percent of the Muslim population, “moderates” about 1 to 2 percent, and the remaining 85 percent in between are presumably either cowed or indifferent.

    I’ve no idea whether Daniel’s estimate is correct, although, in my experience, “moderate Muslims” invariably turn out on closer inspection to be apostates or so syncretic as to be barely recognizable as co-religionists to their livelier brethren. But I thought of Daniel’s words after the murder of Drummer Lee Rigby in Woolwich, when as is traditional the vast army of non-Muslim Muslim scholars, from David Cameron down, rushed forward to explain that beheadings on London streets are “nothing to do with Islam.” Unfortunately, it seems to be rather more dangerous for actual Muslims to make the same point.

    Most Muslims are terrorist supporters, but not terrorists themselves. That goes as much for Muslims living in the United States as it does for Muslims living in Afghanistan. Most of them aren’t going to follow in Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s footsteps and build bombs, but they do quitely cheer when someone like Tsarnaev blows up the Infidels. And, most assuredly, they’d like to see America turned into a totalitarian Sharia State where the Infidel is oppressed, enslaved, or outright murdered.


  54. 54 | June 12, 2013 9:52 am

    @ RIX:

    Actually, I think it was Armenia. No wonder the Mohammedans can’t stand them.


  55. RIX
    55 | June 12, 2013 9:57 am

    MikeA wrote:

    @ RIX:

    So basically she says… believe them cause I said so.

    Pretty much.


  56. RIX
    56 | June 12, 2013 9:57 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ RIX:

    If not the first, one of the first. They really don’t get much credit- most Americans see no more than a bloated, starving child with flies on his face when Ethiopia is mentioned. There is certainly a lot of that, but there’s a lot more as well.

    A lot of history there.


  57. 57 | June 12, 2013 9:58 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I wouold be very curious to find out if any information sharing went on between the NSA and OFA before the election last year.
    I have NO DOUBT the NSA data-mined for OFA. This is typical Chicago tactics. Use government resources to win elections.

    Of course it was. They are now couching in the name of “national security” in order to make it palatable to the American public, and so far it seems to be having the desired effect. Frankenfeinstein was on TV saying how it helped with the Mumbai bombing suspect -- except excuse me -- it didn’t STOP the Mumbai bombing, now, did it?

    Dershowitz was saying that it’s no different from the expectation of privacy when you mail a letter -- the government has the right to look at the addresses, etc. Except, sorry Professor, no. The address is on the front of my envelope is there for the precise purpose of the government reading it so that the government can deliver it. The government, for instance, has no shadow of a right to open my mail, photocopy the contents, reseal it and then send it on its way.

    My email is a service of a privately owned company for communications I am sending privately to a third person and has nothing to do with the government and requires no government assistance in reaching the intended recipient. I address said email to specific individuals with no expectation that it will be opened or read by any other entity that the ones I intend to see it.

    It’s the credit card transactions that give me the most pause. Did you charge your NRA membership? Your donation to a Republican candidate. THIS is what they’re looking for.


  58. RIX
    58 | June 12, 2013 9:58 am

    Macker wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Actually, I think it was Armenia. No wonder the Mohammedans can’t stand them.

    Probably more likely.


  59. 59 | June 12, 2013 10:00 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I wish it was just Obama, but Republicans are guilty as well. For all the Republican Rhetoric on “Christian values”, when Christians actually take up arms, they are nowhere to be seen.


  60. 60 | June 12, 2013 10:01 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    It’s the credit card transactions that give me the most pause. Did you charge your NRA membership? Your donation to a Republican candidate. THIS is what they’re looking for.

    Yup, that is why its best to use checks again.


  61. 61 | June 12, 2013 10:02 am

    @ RIX:

    I think Armenia was and Ethiopia 2nd, then the Roman Empire 3rd.


  62. 62 | June 12, 2013 10:04 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Frankenfeinstein was on TV saying how it helped with the Mumbai bombing suspect — except excuse me — it didn’t STOP the Mumbai bombing, now, did it?

    It didn’t stop Tsarnaev. If they were really looking for errorists with all this data, he would have stood out immediately. After all, he should have had a flag next to his name because the fucking Russians warned us about him. He was visiting the al Qaeda web site. They are paying attention to who joins the NRA, but aren’t noting who visits the al Qaeda web site? Tsarnaev was in communitcation with a Jihadi from Dagestan. He even went to Dagestan to visit him. None of this raised any flags. The FBI talked to him, but they essentially asked him if he was a terrorist, and took his word for it when he said no.

    Yet they are reading everybody’s email “hunting for terrorists”. That surpasses belief. If they were really looking for terrorists, then they let Tsarnaev bomb the Boston Marathon. Either they aren’t really looking for terrorists, or they are accessories to the Boston Bombing. Which is it?


  63. 63 | June 12, 2013 10:05 am

    @ MacDuff:

    What really irks me are these Republican politicians who claim to stand up for “Christian values”, yet are very silent on Christians who are actually defending themselves. They get mad at 2 women kissing on TV and go on rhetorical rants, but don’t say anything when Christians are fighting for their lives.


  64. 64 | June 12, 2013 10:06 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    They probably are not tracking the Free Jahar movement. You best bet some Jihadi enablers are involved.


  65. 65 | June 12, 2013 10:14 am

    @ Rodan:

    They are, by definition, Jihadi supporters. Of course Obama’s NSA isn’t tracking them. That would be silly:roll:


  66. RIX
    66 | June 12, 2013 10:18 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    I think Armenia was and Ethiopia 2nd, then the Roman Empire 3rd.

    Sounds right.


  67. 67 | June 12, 2013 10:23 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Mark Levin pointed out yesterday that there was NOTHING in the PATRIOT Act that sanctioned this type of surveillance and data gathering on American citizens within the U.S. borders. And I’ll assume that since he is a lawyer and Constitutional scholar, he knows of where he speaks, so Magical Jazzy Ponytail can just shut his piehole about how he never favored the PATRIOT Act to begin with. Which, frankly, I don’t recall any screeds against it during my sojourn there.


  68. 68 | June 12, 2013 10:24 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I would not be shocked if some of the Obama regime are with the Free Jahar movement.


  69. 69 | June 12, 2013 10:24 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    He used to support it I recall.


  70. The Osprey
    70 | June 12, 2013 10:25 am

    @ Rodan:

    Hipster jihad! Animal hats ackbar!


  71. 71 | June 12, 2013 10:30 am

    @ The Osprey:

    :lol:

    Its just sick Jahar is becoming some cult icon.


  72. 72 | June 12, 2013 10:31 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    No, none of this was sanctioned by the Patriot Act, and Bush wasn’t doing this kind of surveillance, nor was he doing such widespread surveillance. I read yesterday that the FBI alone has increased their surveillance 1000%. Nobody really knows how widespread the NSA surveillance is. We know the NSA is building that huge data warehouse in Utah, though. I think it is safe to say they are listening in on everybody. Which brings us back to Tsarnaev. They didn’t catch him, and the should have IF they are really trying to catch terrorists. The didn’t catch Maj. Hasan, either. Nor the Underwear Bomber. The only reason he didn’t kill a couple of hundred people was his bomb misfired. Likewise the Times Square bomber. They’ve missed a lot of terrorists to be reading everybody’s email. Either that isn’t an accident, and they want these terrorists to succeed, or they really aren’t looking for terrorists at all.


  73. 73 | June 12, 2013 10:32 am

    @ Rodan:

    Indeed. I recall him putting up threads snotting a Democrats and progressives that had a “sky is falling” mentality on civil rights and the PATRIOT Act.


  74. RIX
    74 | June 12, 2013 10:32 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    The FBI was tracking Major Hassans activities, including
    his internet Jihadi visits.
    They knew that he had a business card reading “Soldier
    of Allah” and that he would harass patients. Mentally disturbed
    soldiers PTSD etc were told by him that they immorally killed
    Muslims.
    Did he get visits from autorities? Why no, he got promoted.


  75. RIX
    75 | June 12, 2013 10:34 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    Indeed. I recall him putting up threads snotting a Democrats and progressives that had a “sky is falling” mentality on civil rights and the PATRIOT Act.

    Charles was working really hard to earn his Conservative
    bonafides back in the day.
    In retrospect, he had trouble expressing himself because
    he really believes nothing.


  76. 76 | June 12, 2013 10:35 am

    The Osprey wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Hipster jihad! Animal hats ackbar!

    Here’s one Rodan will love. Since the hipsters are soooo into their technical stuff, he’ll love to hear this: walking to BART last night, I was behind a hipster -- resplendent in skinny jeans, phoney glasses and fedora -- who was quite focused on whatever was on his smartphone. So engrossed was this little nugget that he didn’t see himself walking on a diagonal and right off the curb -- splat -- phone goes flying right into traffic.

    Hopefully, God will forgive all of us who were still laughing five minutes later.


  77. 77 | June 12, 2013 10:42 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    What really irks me are these Republican politicians who claim to stand up for “Christian values”, yet are very silent on Christians who are actually defending themselves. They get mad at 2 women kissing on TV and go on rhetorical rants, but don’t say anything when Christians are fighting for their lives.

    I’ve no argument with you there, the “Christian world” has largely abandoned persecuted Christians with the exception of the Vatican- they continue to bring this matter to the fore to anyone who’ll listen.


  78. 78 | June 12, 2013 10:44 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Hopefully, God will forgive all of us who were still laughing five minutes later.

    I think God has a sense of humor, that’s why He created hipsters.


  79. 79 | June 12, 2013 10:46 am

    RIX wrote:

    In retrospect, he had trouble expressing himself because
    he really believes nothing.

    Truer words have not been spoken my friend. Charles Johnson, summed up in one, compact, sentence.


  80. RIX
    80 | June 12, 2013 10:48 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    In retrospect, he had trouble expressing himself because
    he really believes nothing.

    Truer words have not been spoken my friend. Charles Johnson, summed up in one, compact, sentence.

    What up Mac?


  81. RIX
    81 | June 12, 2013 10:51 am

    Later Gators.


  82. 82 | June 12, 2013 10:53 am

    @ RIX:

    Sort of like Obama without his teleprompter. Same inability to articulate the position and the same frustrated 12-year-old tantrum like behavior when challenged.

    (Although in the case of Prezdint Putz, he believes that America needs to be a socialist nation, but he’s too effing stupid to actually summon the explanation for why).


  83. lobo91
    83 | June 12, 2013 10:53 am

    Speaking of politicians invoking “Christian values” to advance their agenda:

    Groan: Rubio Invokes The Bible To Push Amnesty…


  84. waldensianspirit
    84 | June 12, 2013 10:54 am

    Groan: Rubio Invokes The Bible To Push Amnesty…

    Wow! He’s really running away with the liberal ball!


  85. 85 | June 12, 2013 10:58 am

    @ lobo91:

    Next he’ll say we have to do it for The Children™! :roll:


  86. 86 | June 12, 2013 10:59 am

    @ lobo91:
    @ waldensianspirit:

    I wish Rubio luck running for a second term. Like Boehner, he forgets who brought him to the dance -- it was the conservatives that won him the victory over Christ and it was the people in talk radio that gave him the forums he needed. They even allowed him access to the shows after the Gang of Eight was formed to talk about how he was all about border secured FIRST, amnesty second. Now that he’s done a 180, I imagine Rush, Hannity and Levin won’t be returning his phone calls.


  87. waldensianspirit
    87 | June 12, 2013 11:00 am

    I think Rubio is planning on switching to the Democrat ticket


  88. 88 | June 12, 2013 11:00 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    They already did that; see Executive Order DREAM Act.


  89. 89 | June 12, 2013 11:01 am

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Only way he wins a second term. And I guess he forgot -- Democrats will run a real prog against him for the nomination.


  90. 90 | June 12, 2013 11:01 am

    @ MacDuff:

    I just never understood why when Christians take up arms, Christians in America say nothing. That is why I have more respect for Maronites, Serbs and South Sudanese. They fought to defend their faith.


  91. lobo91
    91 | June 12, 2013 11:03 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    They already did that; see Executive Order DREAM Act.

    Did you see yesterday where DHS isn’t even following the rules that were established for that illegal program?

    They’re skipping the background checks and ID requirement.

    Good thing they would never do something like that when they have to deal with 10s of millions of illegals applying for amnesty.
    //


  92. 92 | June 12, 2013 11:05 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Only way he wins a second term. And I guess he forgot — Democrats will run a real prog against him for the nomination.

    Going to disagree with you there. Rubio will win the re-election as a Republican in Florida. The base does not have the clout here as in other states.


  93. 93 | June 12, 2013 11:06 am

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Dream on aint happening.


  94. 94 | June 12, 2013 11:08 am

    @ Rodan:

    I will always defer to your opinion vis-a-vis Florida politics and voters!

    Oh, and Biden was off on his verbal horse apples yesterday saying the Gore really did win the Presidency and that he graciously deferred to the Supreme Court. HUH? If Gore thought he could go to the World Court in the Hague to overturn the election, he would have. Amazing. And this asshat was chair of the committee that approved judges.


  95. lobo91
    95 | June 12, 2013 11:09 am

    @ Rodan:

    Yeah…he has to fulfill his destiny as the heir to McCain.


  96. 96 | June 12, 2013 11:09 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    I just never understood why when Christians take up arms, Christians in America say nothing. That is why I have more respect for Maronites, Serbs and South Sudanese. They fought to defend their faith.

    American Christians have never been personally threatened……that is, not before the current regime.


  97. 97 | June 12, 2013 11:11 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    @ waldensianspirit:

    I wish Rubio luck running for a second term. Like Boehner, he forgets who brought him to the dance — it was the conservatives that won him the victory over Christ and it was the people in talk radio that gave him the forums he needed. They even allowed him access to the shows after the Gang of Eight was formed to talk about how he was all about border secured FIRST, amnesty second. Now that he’s done a 180, I imagine Rush, Hannity and Levin won’t be returning his phone calls.

    Methinks he made the fatal mistake of reading his press reports.


  98. waldensianspirit
    98 | June 12, 2013 11:15 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    I just never understood why when Christians take up arms, Christians in America say nothing. That is why I have more respect for Maronites, Serbs and South Sudanese. They fought to defend their faith.

    It stems from this problem:
    http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/Seeker%20friendly.htm


  99. 99 | June 12, 2013 11:15 am

    One issue and its turn on Rubio time. Funny, Paul Ryan and Rand Paul have the same positions on Ryan. The whole lynch Rubio mentality is why the GOP is done as anational party. The demands of purity by the GOP base is they have lost the popular vote 4/6 times are why the majority of Americans hate the GOP.

    Keep up the work of creating a One Party Regime in America. When I see Republicans bicth about Islamic immigrants as much as they do about Mexican illegals, then I’ll take them serious.

    I’m done with this crap. Life is too short to deal with people who love the purity of defeat. I’ll be at DOD, at least Chucky bashing is fun.

    There is nothing Conservative about today’s “Conservative” movement,k its just angry reactionary scolds.

    I’m done with this crap.


  100. waldensianspirit
    100 | June 12, 2013 11:16 am

    @ Rodan:
    Oh I never supported Rand Paul.

    And Ryan I’ve often said his fix to the debt can’t get this nation back on track either


  101. lobo91
    101 | June 12, 2013 11:16 am

    Biden: Black Voters Won’t “Automatically” Vote For Ed Markey Because Obama’s Not On The Ticket…

    “This is an off-year, off-cycle, off-month election. He needs every solitary bit of financial help you can give to carry this home. Please, don’t be asking yourself two months from now, ‘God why didn’t I do more?’” Biden said at a fundraiser, according to a pool report by the Boston Globe’s Matt Viser. He shared the stage with former Vice President Al Gore.

    Democrats are pulling out all the stops to help Markey to victory in the special election to fill the empty Massachusetts Senate seat vacated by now-Secretary of State John Kerry. In the last Massachusetts special election in 2010, former Republican Sen. Scott Brown pulled off a huge upset to win in the deep blue state. And this time around, Democrats are taking no chances. [...]

    “There’s a big difference in this race: Barack Obama’s not at the head of the ticket,” Biden said. “And that means those legions of African Americans and Latinos are not automatically going to come out. No one has energized them like Barack Obama. But he’s not on the ticket. So don’t take this one for granted.”

    Biden was right, of course. Blacks probably won’t show up to vote in large numbers for Markey.

    Too bad he’s incapable of understanding the real significance of that fact, though.


  102. lobo91
    102 | June 12, 2013 11:18 am

    Good news: 10 year old Sarah Murnaghan is reportedly going into surgery for a lung transplant


  103. 103 | June 12, 2013 11:19 am

    O.M.G.

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/06/12/hgtv-show-suggests-people-use-american-flag-as-a-table-cloth-shockingly-not-everyone-happy-with-it/#disqus_thread

    Use the FLAG as a table cloth????

    Yes, because otherwise only coffins can be draped in the flag and that’s such a DOWNER……


  104. 104 | June 12, 2013 11:21 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    Good news: 10 year old Sarah Murnaghan is reportedly going into surgery for a lung transplant

    Hallelujah! Prayers for a successful operation and a quick recovery so that this little sweetheart has a wonderful, wonderful life!

    Thank you so much for this jump start to my day!


  105. lobo91
    105 | June 12, 2013 11:25 am

    @ Rodan:

    Keep up the work of creating a One Party Regime in America. When I see Republicans bicth about Islamic immigrants as much as they do about Mexican illegals, then I’ll take them serious.

    That’s rich, considering that “creating a One Party Regime” is precisely what Rubio’s plan would do, by adding 10s of millions of new Democrat voters to the rolls.

    Sorry…I don’t do identity group politics, which is the only reason I can see for any supposed conservative supporting Rubio.


  106. 106 | June 12, 2013 11:28 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    Good news: 10 year old Sarah Murnaghan is reportedly going into surgery for a lung transplant

    God bless all the people who pushed this matter to the fore…..I think some folks at Fox News deserve a lot of credit for that.


  107. 107 | June 12, 2013 11:30 am

    Rodan wrote:

    I’m done with this crap. Life is too short to deal with people who love the purity of defeat.

    With all due respect, Rodan, you’ve drunk from that cup, as well.


  108. lobo91
    108 | June 12, 2013 11:57 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Personally, I’m tired of hearing about how we need to abandon our principles and adopt those of the left in order to put more people in office who have an “R” next to their name.


  109. 109 | June 12, 2013 12:05 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    Personally, I’m tired of hearing about how we need to abandon our principles and adopt those of the left in order to put more people in office who have an “R” next to their name.

    I agree, but we needn’t eviscerate and exile people who are in 90%, 75% or even 51% agreement with those principles.


  110. lobo91
    110 | June 12, 2013 12:11 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Any Republican who backs a massive amnesty program for illegals--and lies to everyone about it in English, while telling the truth in Spanish--deserves to be “eviscerated and exiled.”


  111. 111 | June 12, 2013 12:12 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Except that’s precisely what they do with us but are our new BFF’s when they want our votes. Boehner, McConnell et al. love the TEA Party Conservatives on the first Tuesday in November in even-numbered years -- they then spend the other 790 days telling them what effing jerks they are for screwing up the Republican agenda.


  112. 112 | June 12, 2013 12:21 pm

    @ lobo91:

    And I must agree with this. Rubio’s betrayal on this issue is especially harsh and difficult to take simply because he was so adamant at the start when he joined the Gang of Eight that border security was an area with no room for compromise. I stuck up for Rubio’s joining the Gang of Eight on other boards that were excoriating him for being a part of it. I was all “you wait and see, Rubio is going to make sure that if nothing else the conservative viewpoint will be heard.” And I was more than pleased a few weeks ago when Rubio was making “Oh yeah? I’m outa here” noises at the proposals proffered by the committee.

    So yes, I’m very, very upset over this turn of events. I’m frustrated and tired of supporting someone, believing in someone and then finding out that the belief may have been misplaced. Remember how we were all to some degree happy about Boehner being Speaker -- all the funny videos and the jokes about Pelosi? And within 6 months he disparaged the conservatives at every turn.


  113. lobo91
    113 | June 12, 2013 12:33 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Notice that Rubio hasn’t said a word about those bogus ads that Zuckerburg has been running using footage of him.

    Why not? The only reason I can see is that he’s thankful for the help.


  114. 114 | June 12, 2013 12:40 pm

    Leahy is pushing a same-sex marriage amendment to Rubio’s amnesty plan:

    Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) introduced a same-sex marriage amendment to the immigration reform bill currently under consideration in the Senate.

    Leahy filed the amendment on Tuesday, the same day the Senate approved a motion to proceed on the Border Security, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Modernization Act.

    The amendment gives equal protection to immigrants who are in same-sex marriages. Specifically, the amendment makes the immigration bill recognize “any marriage entered into full compliance with the laws of the State or foreign country within which such marriage was performed.”

    The amendment changes the text of the bill so it reads “his or her spouse” instead of “his spouse” and strikes “husband and wife” and replaces that with “the spouses.”

    I guess the Democrats have decided to go for the throat. They’ve got the votes to pass this through the Senate, so they want to make it as poisonous to the Republicans in the House as possible. Note the bolded part. If I am reading that right, Leahy’s amendment would also legalize polygamy among those coming from Muslim nations. Those would be marriages “entered into full compliance with the laws of the State or foreign country within which such marriage was performed”, wouldn’t they?


  115. 115 | June 12, 2013 12:40 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I’ll tell you has balls in all this -- Ted Cruz.


  116. lobo91
    116 | June 12, 2013 12:43 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Sounds like it to me.

    Besides which, are there even any countries other than the US that have such a thing as “same sex marriage”?


  117. 117 | June 12, 2013 12:44 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Actually, I’m not all that sure they have the votes in the Senate. They thought they had the votes on gun control, too.


  118. lobo91
    118 | June 12, 2013 12:48 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    We won’t know until the final vote, but I suspect that they do have enough votes on this one. They’ll get 100% of the Dems, along with the Rino faction.


  119. 119 | June 12, 2013 12:49 pm

    @ lobo91:

    There might be a country or two in Europe that has same-sex marriage. The French legalized it, IIRC. Maybe some of the Scandinavian countries as well. But the arguements for same-sex marriage apply and then some to polygamy. Historically, for five thousand years of human history across all human cultures marriage has been between men and women. Polygamy has often been the norm, but gay marriage has never been accepted, or, for that matter, even thought of. If you are going to sanction gay marriage, I don’t see on what grounds you can possibly not also sanction polygamy. You’ve taken religious and cultural exceptions off the table when you sanctioned gay marriage. What is left?


  120. Guggi
    120 | June 12, 2013 2:56 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Polygamy is only a quantitative extention of the rule, gay marriage on the other side is a complete qualitative changing of the rule.

    Gay marriage: Argentina, the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Canada, S-Africa, Norway, Sweden, Portugal, Iceland, England and Wales (since May 2013) and France.

    Many other countries do have some Kind of “civilian partnership” similar to marriage.


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