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America’s “useful idiot”

by Speranza ( 101 Comments › )
Filed under China, Communism, Liberal Fascism, Marxism, Media, Movies at June 19th, 2013 - 12:30 pm

Hands down that has got to be Communist and Islamic apologist (and overrated filmmaker) Oliver Stone

by Ron Radosh

Our old friend Oliver Stone is at it again. This time, as The Hollywood Reporter informs us, he is being feted and wined and dined in the People’s Republic of China, where he is the star attraction at this year’s Shanghai International Film Festival. The festival will be screening his big flop Alexander, his film Savages, as well as an episode of his Communist propaganda series The Untold History of the United States.

I’m certain the ideological guardians of the Communist regime, who still reverently pay homage to the Stalinist dictator and founder of the People’s Republic Mao Ze Dong, will be thrilled to see how the official propagandist picture of American imperialism depicted by Stone and co-writer Peter Kuznick fulfills the ideological requirements of how the regime regularly treats history. They should especially enjoy his portrait of a benign Stalin who only wanted secure borders and fought for peace.

 As the report informs readers, Stone “brought thunderous applause to a crowd of more than 500 festivalgoers…when he praised whistleblower Edward Snowden as a ‘hero.’” So while Dick Cheney rightfully condemns Snowden as a traitor, a word that Snowden himself says is a badge of honor when bestowed on him by the former vice president, Oliver Stone gets the backing and support of an audience in statist China. The People’s Republic’s government controls propaganda and censors free news reports, has its own repressive gulag system of prison camps, and is anything but a free society. It has not dawned on the filmmaker that attacking the United States as not free in a land in which dissenters are arrested and persecuted on a regular basis shows anything but an understanding of what freedom and liberty are.

[........]

In response to a passionately worded indictment from an audience member accusing the U.S. National Security Agency of “eavesdropping on the world,” the celebrated — and provocative — director said, simply: “Snowden is a hero,” before launching into a brief discussion of the revelations about the U.S. spy programs and their aftermath….Stone went on to praise the founder of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, and whistleblower Bradley Manning. He condemned President Barack Obama’s administration for prosecuting six whistleblower cases despite campaign promises of a more progressive administration.

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“Mr. Stone, you sound like one of China’s angry young men,” chided Zhou.

Despite repeated attempts from the moderator to redirect the discussion and Zhou’s requests not to discuss political matters, Stone castigated the Bush administration, the Iraq war, the Kuwait Invasion and American imperialism.

Stone defended movies that criticize authority, from war movies to crime movies. But he did caution that violence must be used responsibly. He also pointed to the media’s influence on the culture of violence, from Newtown and Columbine to the Bush-era wars.

Cherish the irony. The Chinese hosts wanted the event to appear non-political, in order to highlight their film colony’s entrance into the world arena. But evidently they did not know Oliver Stone well enough.  As he noted, “Movies that glorify war give permission to the leaders to make war,” although his criticism was reserved only for the United States, and not to any of the many times that the Communist nations he supports have used their own media to do precisely that which he claims to find objectionable.

Next, Stone told the audience that his Showtime documentary series was the “toughest project” he has undertaken, since it is difficult to unravel the myths about the United States. Given, as I have shown in many different venues, that his entire series is one big myth — or, more accurately, one big lie –  it most likely is a task that proved very difficult for him to accomplish.

Moreover, Stone, who has made his share of very violent films, was ironically rebuked by Hong Kong director Johnnie To in a panel on “How Does Film Have its Influence on Real Life?”  The article tells us that To’s own films contain “a liberal dose of violence.” So director To told Stone that “movies are not textbooks or teaching tools,” and that everyone has their “own opinions.” I have not seen any of To’s movies, but coming from fairly liberal Hong Kong, To probably is not too favorable to the old doctrine of “socialist realism” or didactic films now favored by Stone. Hence, he argued with Stone, “movie violence will not remove violence in the real world.”

[..........] The norm for average Americans, of whom Oliver Stone knows very few, is the opposite of the kind of greed the people he hangs out with regularly display. But the corrupt government of China, where greed, rapacious behavior, and horrors galore are displayed by the rich apparatchiks, is more than happy to have Stone deflect its own citizen’s attention from the reality of life in China and instead have them angry at the United States.

One thing is certain. Oliver Stone will receive his Outstanding Artistic Achievement award from Communist China, and will still be able to hold a title more appropriate — the Number One Useful Idiot living in the United States.

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  1. waldensianspirit
    1 | June 19, 2013 1:05 pm

    Juche!


  2. Speranza
    2 | June 19, 2013 1:21 pm

    “JFK” was a God awful film.


  3. Speranza
    3 | June 19, 2013 1:21 pm

    Oliver Stone’s son has pronounced the Shahada.


  4. 4 | June 19, 2013 1:25 pm

    I’ll give Oliver Stone one compliment, “The Doors” was quite enjoyable and Val Kilmer was almost spooky in the role of Morrison.

    The rest of the man’s career seems to be that of an over-paid agitprop filmmaker.


  5. 5 | June 19, 2013 1:33 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    “JFK” was a God awful film.

    There’s an entire generation that thinks that’s a documentary; that’s the problem with the Left in a nutshell- they’re unencumbered by facts and reality. When you attempt to make sense to them, it’s like talking to a North Korean peasant about device sharing in the iCloud.


  6. 6 | June 19, 2013 1:34 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Wall Street wasn’t all that bad either, as interesting movies go.
    But now Stone is a joke -- his movies bomb and IIRC, that series he did for Showtime or HBO on how America sucks didn’t get renewed because, uh, NO ONE watched it.

    Even the left thinks he’s a gooney bird at this point. Which means Fatass at the Swamp will be giving him a big thumbs up!!


  7. lobo91
    7 | June 19, 2013 1:46 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Obama will probably give him the Presidential Medal of Freedom (from facts).


  8. 8 | June 19, 2013 1:57 pm

    Oliver Stone did Natural Born Killers, didn’t he? I think that is the only one of his movies I’ve ever watched, and it sucked, big time. Other than that, though, I’ve avoided him like Typhoid…


  9. waldensianspirit
    9 | June 19, 2013 1:58 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    it’s like talking to a North Korean peasant about device sharing in the iCloud.

    :mrgreen: brutal!


  10. 10 | June 19, 2013 2:01 pm

    Thousands turned out to protest the IRS today in DC. I wonder if SeeBS, ABC, and NBC will cover it?


  11. waldensianspirit
    11 | June 19, 2013 2:15 pm

    Obama Likens Catholic And Protestant Schools To Racist Segregation System…

    Wow! Does this Emperor Obama speech reveal his grievance mindset!


  12. lobo91
    12 | June 19, 2013 2:22 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Obama Likens Catholic And Protestant Schools To Racist Segregation System…
    Wow! Does this Emperor Obama speech reveal his grievance mindset!

    He was apparently talking specifically about Northern Ireland, which is where he made those comments.

    I seriously doubt that he has any idea what the root of the conflict there was, though. Despite what he probably learned at Columbia, it wasn’t based in religion. Catholics weren’t trying to forcibly convert Protestants, or vice versa.


  13. Speranza
    13 | June 19, 2013 2:23 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    There’s an entire generation that thinks that’s a documentary

    The same folks who think that Jon Stewart is a journalist.


  14. 14 | June 19, 2013 2:35 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Those are the people who made Obama President. Ignorance is more powerful than knowledge.


  15. 15 | June 19, 2013 2:39 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Oliver Stone did Natural Born Killers, didn’t he? I think that is the only one of his movies I’ve ever watched, and it sucked, big time. Other than that, though, I’ve avoided him like Typhoid…

    Gawd, what a depressing mess that was….


  16. 16 | June 19, 2013 2:40 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Ignorance is more powerful than knowledge.

    Wow, I love that!


  17. buzzsawmonkey
    17 | June 19, 2013 2:44 pm

    Stone, like Rachel Maddow, is another one of those non-Jews with a Jewish-sounding name. Maddow was raised Catholic; Stone was raised Episcopalian, apparently as a compromise by his non-practicing Jewish father and his non-practicing Catholic mother, and now professes Buddhism.


  18. lobo91
    18 | June 19, 2013 2:46 pm

    Best-selling author Vince Flynn dies at 47

    Vince Flynn, a best-selling author of political thriller novels, has died at age 47 after a two-year battle with prostate cancer.

    A statement from Flynn’s publisher, Simon & Schuster, Inc., said he died Wednesday.

    Flynn self-published his first book, “Term Limits,” in 1997 before landing a publishing deal. “Term Limits” became a New York Times bestseller. Most of his books centered on the character Mitch Rapp, a counterterrorism operative.

    He averaged a book a year.

    Flynn announced in 2011 that he had been diagnosed with Stage 3 metastatic prostate cancer.


  19. 19 | June 19, 2013 2:46 pm

    Useful idiot refers to a Stalin era communist sympathizer, the correct term to use today is, useless imbecile.


  20. buzzsawmonkey
    20 | June 19, 2013 2:47 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Wall Street wasn’t all that bad either, as interesting movies go.

    Wasn’t that the film where Evil Capitalist Caricature Michael Douglas seduces the ambitious Charlie Sheen to sell out his Honest Working Class Father, played by Martin Sheen—only relent and find Working Class Redemption at the last moment?


  21. 21 | June 19, 2013 2:48 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Converting from monotheism to paganism seems the very definition of regression.


  22. buzzsawmonkey
    22 | June 19, 2013 2:51 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Converting from monotheism to paganism seems the very definition of regression.

    Salamantis from the old Yertle swamp will hunt you down…


  23. 23 | June 19, 2013 2:51 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I seriously doubt that he has any idea what the root of the conflict there was,

    Ask any Irishman what he thinks about Oliver Cromwell, his response will tell you everything you might ever want to know about “The Troubles”…


  24. buzzsawmonkey
    24 | June 19, 2013 2:54 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    It has been my observation that Leftists love to profess “Buddhism” because it allows them to say that they are “spiritual” under the cover of a recognized religion that is non-Western.


  25. 26 | June 19, 2013 3:00 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Most of them probably couldn’t tell you what Buddhism really professes beyond “karma”, “reincarnation”, and “Nirvana”, either. And what they know about those is probably garbled.


  26. lobo91
    27 | June 19, 2013 3:11 pm

    Bernanke To Keep Printing Money, Says Quantitative Easing Will Continue…

    I think I’ve finally figured out why Obama’s going to Africa: He’s asking for economic advice.

    //Zimbabwe here we come!


  27. heysoos
    28 | June 19, 2013 3:11 pm

    Oliver Stone is Mrs. Stones son…and that’s all he is


  28. 29 | June 19, 2013 3:12 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Oliver Stone is Mrs. Stones son…and that’s all he is

    And even that is debatable… :twisted:


  29. buzzsawmonkey
    30 | June 19, 2013 3:17 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    “JFK” was a God awful film.

    Never saw it; I’ve never been particularly beguiled by either JFK or his assassination.

    Was it an attempt to establish that Oswald was not a communist, and that the Mafia rather than the communists were responsible for JFK’s death?


  30. MikeA
    31 | June 19, 2013 3:18 pm

    @ lobo91:

    This is the part of the story I loved…

    The Fed credits itself with funds that it uses to buy Treasurys and mortgage-backed securities.

    Mommy, how do you make money out of nothing…


  31. Speranza
    32 | June 19, 2013 3:19 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Was it an attempt to establish that Oswald was not a communist, and that the Mafia rather than the communists were responsible for JFK’s death?

    Yep. It was done by the military industrial complex.


  32. Speranza
    33 | June 19, 2013 3:20 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Wall Street wasn’t all that bad either, as interesting movies go.

    What the hell was Daryl Hannah doing in that film?


  33. Speranza
    34 | June 19, 2013 3:21 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Wasn’t that the film where Evil Capitalist Caricature Michael Douglas seduces the ambitious Charlie Sheen to sell out his Honest Working Class Father, played by Martin Sheen—only relent and find Working Class Redemption at the last moment?

    That pretty much sums it up.


  34. eaglesoars
    35 | June 19, 2013 3:27 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    What the hell was Daryl Hannah doing in that film?

    She didn’t have anything better to do. And she never will.

    Oliver Stone is afflicted with the SAM complex -- ‘Small American Male’ -- and ‘small’ describes something other than his height


  35. heysoos
    36 | June 19, 2013 3:28 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    Was it an attempt to establish that Oswald was not a communist, and that the Mafia rather than the communists were responsible for JFK’s death?
    Yep. It was done by the military industrial complex.

    I always wanted it to be a mob hit….adds txture and color, but like Buzz I don’t much give a shit…they where all assholes


  36. Speranza
    37 | June 19, 2013 3:31 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I always wanted it to be a mob hit….adds txture and color, but like Buzz I don’t much give a shit…they where all assholes

    I like the idea it was done by a Red.


  37. Speranza
    38 | June 19, 2013 3:31 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Oliver Stone is afflicted with the SAM complex — ‘Small American Male’ — and ‘small’ describes something other than his height

    He has a gap in his two front top teeth that I can drive my car through.


  38. 39 | June 19, 2013 3:33 pm

    @ heysoos:

    JFK brought us closer to nuclear war than we’d ever been before or since,screwed up the Bay of Pigs invasion to get us there, and then was assassinated. I’ve never thought particularly highly of him. He is definately the most overrated President. Well, other than the Chicago Jesus®. JFK never though he was god…


  39. 40 | June 19, 2013 3:35 pm

    @ MikeA:

    Hey, it worked so well in the Weimar Republic and Zimbawe, Bernanke thinks it’ll be just swell here. I really think they are trying to collapse the system. I know Obama is.


  40. eaglesoars
    41 | June 19, 2013 3:36 pm

    The Inconvenient Suffering of China’s Laogai Prisoners

    Wonder if Stone would make a movie about it?

    As noted in the letter, many members of the Falun Gong religion are imprisoned in such camps, which often make cheap consumer products. The story had been in international circulation since December of last year before the Times decided to publish something about it June 11.

    The letter, which was unsigned, intersperses Chinese characters alongside English ones. Here is the English message:

    If you occasionally buy this product, please kindly resend this letter to the World Human Right Organization. Thousands people here who are under the persicution of the Chinese Communist Party Government will thank and remember you forever.

    This product produced by Unit 8, Department 2 Mashounjia Labour Camp, Shenyoung, Liaoning, China.


  41. texasam7
    42 | June 19, 2013 3:39 pm

    @ Speranza:
    There was that speech at the end where Bud Fox’s dad talked about “creating” as opposed to “living off the buying and selling of others”. Astounding irony, when you consider how the politics of the Hollywood-Media complex stifles and demonizes non-conformity (entrepreneurs and conservatives) wherever they’re found.


  42. Speranza
    43 | June 19, 2013 3:40 pm

    texasam7 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    There was that speech at the end where Bud Fox’s dad talked about “creating” as opposed to “living off the buying and selling of others”. Astounding irony, when you consider how the politics of the Hollywood-Media complex stifles and demonizes non-conformity (entrepreneurs and conservatives) wherever they’re found.

    A speech given by millionaire actors.


  43. 44 | June 19, 2013 3:43 pm

    Wow! The FBI is perfect:

    WASHINGTON — After contradictory stories emerged about an F.B.I. agent’s killing last month of a Chechen man in Orlando, Fla., who was being questioned over ties to the Boston Marathon bombing suspects, the bureau reassured the public that it would clear up the murky episode.

    Differing accounts have emerged about the shooting of Mr. Todashev.

    “The F.B.I. takes very seriously any shooting incidents involving our agents, and as such we have an effective, time-tested process for addressing them internally,” a bureau spokesman said.

    But if such internal investigations are time-tested, their outcomes are also predictable: from 1993 to early 2011, F.B.I. agents fatally shot about 70 “subjects” and wounded about 80 others — and every one of those episodes was deemed justified, according to interviews and internal F.B.I. records obtained by The New York Times through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.

    The last two years have followed the same pattern: an F.B.I. spokesman said that since 2011, there had

    They have been perfect, in fact, ever since the Waco Massacre. Amazing!


  44. buzzsawmonkey
    45 | June 19, 2013 3:45 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I like the idea it was done by a Red.

    And, of course, Slain Kennedy #2 was killed by a “Palestinian.”


  45. darkwords
    46 | June 19, 2013 3:49 pm

    None of it matters to Hilary. That is what is important. Nothing matters. Too late to rebuild Rome. Too late to stop slavery. Too late to save CIA special forces in Benghazi.


  46. 47 | June 19, 2013 3:52 pm

    @ darkwords:

    What difference, at this point, does it make?


  47. 48 | June 19, 2013 4:12 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Wasn’t that the film where Evil Capitalist Caricature Michael Douglas seduces the ambitious Charlie Sheen to sell out his Honest Working Class Father, played by Martin Sheen—only relent and find Working Class Redemption at the last moment?

    It’s curious that even aside from the tens of millions that Stone’s worth, his father was a New York stockbroker.


  48. buzzsawmonkey
    49 | June 19, 2013 4:23 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    It’s curious that even aside from the tens of millions that Stone’s worth, his father was a New York stockbroker.

    Lots of Leftists seem to have serious daddy issues.


  49. RIX
    50 | June 19, 2013 4:43 pm

    This has porobably been covered, Vince Flynn
    has died.
    The cause was advanced prostate cancer.
    Great author & by all accounts a good guy.
    RIP


  50. Speranza
    51 | June 19, 2013 4:51 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I like the idea it was done by a Red.

    And, of course, Slain Kennedy #2 was killed by a “Palestinian.”

    In 1968 he was referred to as a “Jordanian immigrant”.


  51. eaglesoars
    52 | June 19, 2013 4:51 pm

    RIX wrote:

    This has porobably been covered, Vince Flynn
    has died.
    The cause was advanced prostate cancer.
    Great author & by all accounts a good guy.
    RIP

    He was incapable of writing a boring book. Mitch Rapp was/is/always a classic.

    Things/people to be grateful for.


  52. heysoos
    53 | June 19, 2013 5:00 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    This has porobably been covered, Vince Flynn
    has died.
    The cause was advanced prostate cancer.
    Great author & by all accounts a good guy.
    RIP

    He was incapable of writing a boring book. Mitch Rapp was/is/always a classic.
    Things/people to be grateful for.

    I’m going thru all the Joseph Finder/Nick Heller books right now…Flynn is next in line


  53. buzzsawmonkey
    54 | June 19, 2013 5:00 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    In 1968 he was referred to as a “Jordanian immigrant”.

    But he was a “Palestinian.” Most “Jordanians” are also “Palestinians”—which the press sometimes admits even now. It’s hard for them not to be, since “Jordan” is the lion’s share of Mandate Palestine.


  54. RIX
    55 | June 19, 2013 5:04 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    This has porobably been covered, Vince Flynn
    has died.
    The cause was advanced prostate cancer.
    Great author & by all accounts a good guy.
    RIP

    He was incapable of writing a boring book. Mitch Rapp was/is/always a classic.

    Things/people to be grateful for.

    He wrote really entertaining books.
    Unlike the program 24, the terrorists were not
    Russian Nationalists or White Supremicists.


  55. heysoos
    56 | June 19, 2013 5:05 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    In 1968 he was referred to as a “Jordanian immigrant”.
    But he was a “Palestinian.” Most “Jordanians” are also “Palestinians”—which the press sometimes admits even now. It’s hard for them not to be, since “Jordan” is the lion’s share of Mandate Palestine.

    remember Wrath?…he wanted Palis in Gaza marched out of the West Bank and Gaza at gunpoint into Jordan, and if they refused shoot them….he was bounced for that from LGF


  56. eaglesoars
    57 | June 19, 2013 5:10 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Unlike the program 24, the terrorists were not
    Russian Nationalists or White Supremicists.

    HEY!! 24 did have a show in which the terrorists were Iranian. A family that lived here openly and their teenage son fell in love with an American girl

    I think they were going to detonate a nuke.

    The last show in that series was just brilliant -- Jack looking up at the camera getting ready to run again and Cloe in tears saying “End it”


  57. 58 | June 19, 2013 5:10 pm

    Ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease!

    Democrats fell far short of winning the House in 2012, an otherwise banner year for the party, and many are privately glum about taking back the chamber in 2014.

    But that grim immediate outlook raises a far more troubling longer-term prospect for Democrats: that the newly drawn congressional lines have tilted the electoral playing field so decisively in the GOP’s favor that the party could control the House through 2020.

    That this, in other words, could be the Democrats’ Lost Decade.

    Three of the past four elections have produced partisan upheaval, so political forecasting must be approached with caution. Democrats say projecting beyond next year, let alone next month, is a fool’s errand.

    But strategists in both parties say they are still reckoning with the long-term implications of Democrats’ disastrous performance in 2010. Not only did they lose the House that year, but setbacks in state capitals meant that Republicans controlled the once-a-decade process of line drawing in 213 districts — nearly five times the number of districts Democrats had oversight over. And Republicans used that power with a vengeance.

    It is really too soon to say for sure, but this sure sounds promising. Politico isn’t noted for being overly Republican.


  58. RIX
    59 | June 19, 2013 5:14 pm

    HEY!! 24 did have a show in which the terrorists were Iranian. A family that lived here openly and their teenage son fell in love with an American girl

    I think they were going to detonate a nuke.

    The last show in that series was just brilliant — Jack looking up at the camera getting ready to run again and Cloe in tears saying “End it”

    -”>eaglesoars:

    That was the last season that the terrorists were Muslims.
    Jack Bauer in one episode actually confessed his life to
    an Imam.


  59. eaglesoars
    60 | June 19, 2013 5:16 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Too bad we can’t trust the Republicans to not fuck up a one car funeral


  60. eaglesoars
    61 | June 19, 2013 5:19 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Jack Bauer in one episode actually confessed his life to
    an Imam.

    IIRC -- if it’s the episode I’m thinking of -- he was under duress -- wasn’t there a woman who had gone into the mosque undercover -- a civilian

    I think after Nina murdered Teri Jack didn’t have much to do with a god by any name


  61. heysoos
    62 | June 19, 2013 5:19 pm

    if you don’t follow television….at least 50% of this blog is lost…I’m not into fake drama and even more fake news


  62. heysoos
    63 | June 19, 2013 5:21 pm

    but I did like the LOTR movies


  63. 64 | June 19, 2013 5:22 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    That’s the truth. OTOH, the Democrat said he wanted to make 2014 a test of competance. Obama will lose that one every time. In 2014 the bill for ObamaCare starts to come due. We’re going to be paying for that from now on. If the Republicans have the sense to run on it, which, admittedly Mitt Romney did not, we can make some real inroads into the working poor who are going to really be hit with ObamaCare. The people who’ll be working two part-time jobs and paying the ObamaCare “tax” out of that because they won’t be poor enough to get welfare.


  64. RIX
    65 | June 19, 2013 5:24 pm

    IIRC — if it’s the episode I’m thinking of — he was under duress — wasn’t there a woman who had gone into the mosque undercover — a civilian

    I think after Nina murdered Teri Jack didn’t have much to do with a god by any name

    @ eaglesoars:

    Can’t recall, but it could have been that one.
    I think that the producers caught a lot of flak
    & walked back from the Muslim angle.
    Russian Nationalists just didn’t get it


  65. eaglesoars
    66 | June 19, 2013 5:25 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I’m not into fake drama

    so I guess no Shakespeare for you then?


  66. buzzsawmonkey
    67 | June 19, 2013 5:27 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    remember Wrath?…he wanted Palis in Gaza marched out of the West Bank and Gaza at gunpoint into Jordan, and if they refused shoot them….he was bounced for that from LGF

    Well, I advocate a slightly softer approach, the “Treif, Don’t Strafe” option. I say Israel should recognize Jordan as the sole legitimate “Palestinian” state, and recognize the right of all “Palestinians” to return there.

    Israel should then announce that it will pay a per capita relocation allowance to any “Palestinian” who takes advantage of that “right of return”; the relocation allowance will diminish to nothing over a period of time—and a couple of months after the relocation allowance offer expires, all “Palestinian” areas in the West Bank and Gaza will be cropdusted with pig fat.


  67. eaglesoars
    68 | June 19, 2013 5:34 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    we can make some real inroads into the working poor who are going to really be hit with ObamaCare.

    I hope you’re right but I’m not confident. We went out to dinner the other night -- sat at our favorite bar -- and an entire area of the restaurant was taken up by a group from an office celebrating one of their co-workers’ retirement. Maybe 60 people. And once they got done singing whatever they were singing they started a chant.

    OBAMA!! OBAMA!! OBAMA!! Punching the air, standing on their chairs -- until they decided to go thru the rest of the establishment with that little act. It was a pure intimidation ploy.

    Fortunately, we frequent places with bouncers


  68. 69 | June 19, 2013 5:34 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Russian Nationalists just didn’t get it

    Real Russian Nationalists don’t blow up buses full of school children if you piss them off. Real Muslims do. So it is somewhat understandable that Hollywood would cave to terroristic threats. What isn’t acceptable is that the United States military has made essentially the same political calculation, aand allowed Maj. Hasan to kill 13 soldiers rather than offend him.


  69. buzzsawmonkey
    70 | June 19, 2013 5:36 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    And once they got done singing whatever they were singing they started a chant.

    OBAMA!! OBAMA!! OBAMA!! Punching the air, standing on their chairs — until they decided to go thru the rest of the establishment with that little act. It was a pure intimidation ploy.

    Sort of like this, right?


  70. 71 | June 19, 2013 5:37 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Government workers? That’s the only sector of the economy that is actually growing under Obama.


  71. eaglesoars
    72 | June 19, 2013 5:37 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    all “Palestinian” areas in the West Bank and Gaza will be cropdusted with pig fat.

    just do it now and get it over with. Anybody who thinks they will abide by any terms is on drugs I would like to get my hands on


  72. RIX
    73 | June 19, 2013 5:38 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Russian Nationalists just didn’t get it

    Real Russian Nationalists don’t blow up buses full of school children if you piss them off. Real Muslims do. So it is somewhat understandable that Hollywood would cave to terroristic threats. What isn’t acceptable is that the United States military has made essentially the same political calculation, aand allowed Maj. Hasan to kill 13 soldiers rather than offend him.

    Exactly. The catalyst for 24 was the 9-11 attack.
    People liked the program when it appropriately
    identified who terrorists are.
    Then they went politically correct & Jack Bauer began
    to seem like a social worker.


  73. 74 | June 19, 2013 5:40 pm

    @ RIX:

    The same thing happened to Battlestar Glactica. I never watched the last two seasons. I reckon everyone was a Cylon by the end of the show.


  74. heysoos
    75 | June 19, 2013 5:41 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    I’m not into fake drama
    so I guess no Shakespeare for you then?

    printed words is another matter…there is genius in that world…I’m just into pop tv and movies, which includes everything from mega church hell raising to the ‘news’…I watch a little tv especially sports, like football


  75. buzzsawmonkey
  76. eaglesoars
    77 | June 19, 2013 5:43 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    And once they got done singing whatever they were singing they started a chant.
    OBAMA!! OBAMA!! OBAMA!! Punching the air, standing on their chairs — until they decided to go thru the rest of the establishment with that little act. It was a pure intimidation ploy.
    Sort of like this, right?

    crimeny where do you FIND this stuff.

    Yes much like that except the crowd we encountered was deliberately intimidating.


  77. heysoos
    78 | June 19, 2013 5:43 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I agree up til the crop dusting…heck of an idea tho


  78. heysoos
    79 | June 19, 2013 5:47 pm

    “Jack!…
    Jack come back!”


  79. eaglesoars
    80 | June 19, 2013 5:48 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Government workers? That’s the only sector of the economy that is actually growing under Obama.

    Did you hear that Hill staffers are starting to look for other jobs because they just found out what Obamacare is going to take out of their paychecks?

    hilarity ensues

    off to do some reading


  80. eaglesoars
    81 | June 19, 2013 5:50 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Or, possibly, like this?
    Or this?

    pure child abuse. those kids are going to grow up to hate their parents


  81. buzzsawmonkey
    82 | June 19, 2013 5:51 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    those kids are going to grow up to hate their parents

    I’m waaaaaaaaay ahead of them.


  82. heysoos
    83 | June 19, 2013 5:55 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    @ eaglesoars:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Or, possibly, like this?
    Or this?

    pure child abuse. those kids are going to grow up to hate their parents

    in theory, they will never grow up…each child os a cluster bomblette…bomblet? bomb lite?


  83. 84 | June 19, 2013 5:55 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I heard about that. Too beautiful!


  84. RIX
    85 | June 19, 2013 5:58 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    The same thing happened to Battlestar Glactica. I never watched the last two seasons. I reckon everyone was a Cylon by the end of the show.

    That’s when they lose their traction.


  85. buzzsawmonkey
    86 | June 19, 2013 6:21 pm

    apologies to Rudyard Kipling and “Mandalay”:

    Ship me somewhere in east Berlin where the best food’s, like, the wurst
    Where being the black President’s my sole historic “first”
    Where the sun is on the ‘prompter and I can’t read what I say
    As I call for nuclear reductions on my way to Africay
    On the road to Africay
    Where my family will play
    Traveling with our huge entourage no matter what folks say
    On the road to Africay
    Where we’ll get down and par-tay
    And the taxpayers will foot the bill as I piss cash away!


  86. lobo91
    87 | June 19, 2013 6:43 pm

    Speaking of idiots, useful or otherwise:

    NY Dems Want To Ban NYPD From Describing Suspects By Their Race…

    Cops might as well wear blindfolds if the City Council passes a bill that would let them use little more than the color of a suspect’s clothing in descriptions — or risk being sued for profiling, according to this provocative new ad (pictured) from the NYPD captains union.

    The ad asks, “How effective is a police officer with a blindfold on?”

    And the answer is not very, says the NYPD Captains Endowment Association, which is fighting the measure, claiming it would handcuff cops and send crime rates soaring.

    Union President Roy Richter — who is seen in the ad wearing a blindfold in Times Square — told The Post the bill is dangerous because “it will ban cops from identifying a suspect’s age, gender, color or disability.

    “When we have wanted suspects and patterns of crimes, those are very important descriptive terms to let officers know who to look for.”

    The ad warns that if cops transmit a description of a suspect that goes beyond the color of his or her clothing, they could be sued for racial profiling if the proposal becomes law.


  87. RIX
    88 | June 19, 2013 6:47 pm

    @ lobo91:
    How about if they just say, “The perp looks like he could be
    Obamas son”?


  88. RIX
    89 | June 19, 2013 6:52 pm

    Sally Kohn @sallykohn
    98.5% of abortions performed before 20 wks. Republicans only supporting later-term ban to foster broader anti-abortion climate in US

    HT Twitchy.
    Sally Kohn is on FNC all of the time & is a most
    unpleasant lesbian.
    I am just guessing that the Occupy the Womb
    Movement would strongly take exception with
    her.


  89. lobo91
    90 | June 19, 2013 6:59 pm

    Top White House Climate Change Adviser Vows Obama Will Crackdown On Global Warming Skepticism: “The Era Of Denial Is Over”…

    So…the IRS will help target them…the NSA will wiretap them…the FBI will use its new domestic drones to track them down…and DHS will drag them off to reeducation camp (or just shoot them).


  90. lobo91
    91 | June 19, 2013 7:01 pm

    @ RIX:

    Ever notice that the most vocal abortion proponents are the women who are probably the least likely to ever need one?


  91. RIX
    92 | June 19, 2013 7:05 pm

    (CNSNews.com) – Likening religious schools to segregation–a racist system that forced blacks to attend different schools and use different facilities than whites in the American South–President Barack Obama told a town hall meeting for youth in Belfast, Northern Ireland on Monday that there should not be Catholic and Protestant schools because such schools cause division.

    HT Weasel Zippers
    The contraception mandate was the tip of the
    ice berg.


  92. RIX
    93 | June 19, 2013 7:06 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Ever notice that the most vocal abortion proponents are the women who are probably the least likely to ever need one?

    Yeah, I did catch that. Interesting isn’t it?


  93. lobo91
    94 | June 19, 2013 7:28 pm

    AP CEO: Obama Regime Succeeded In Muzzling Government Sources From Talking After DOJ Seized Their Phone Records…

    The CEO of the Associated Press told an audience Wednesday that the Department of Justice has succeeded in muzzling government employees from talking to AP reporters in the weeks since the seizure of AP phone records was revealed.

    But remember…this is the Most Transparent Administration Ever
    //


  94. lobo91
    95 | June 19, 2013 7:33 pm

    Unbelievable: IRS To Hand Out 70 Million In Bonuses

    Already reeling from a pair of scandals, the Internal Revenue Service is drawing new criticism over plans to hand out millions of dollars in employee bonuses.

    The Obama administration has ordered agencies to cancel discretionary bonuses because of automatic spending cuts, but the IRS says it’s merely following legal obligations under a union contract.

    The agency is about to pay $70 million in employee bonuses, said Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa, a senior Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, which has jurisdiction over the IRS.

    Grassley says his office has learned that the IRS was to execute an agreement with the employees’ union Wednesday to pay the bonuses. Grassley says the bonuses should be canceled under an April directive from the White House budget office.

    So…the IRS has so much power that it even scares the rest of the administration?


  95. huckfunn
    96 | June 19, 2013 7:38 pm

    R.I.P. James Gandolfini

    Actor James Gandolfini died suddenly in Italy after a suspected heart attack. He was 51. Gandolfini will be forever known for his portrayal of mob boss Tony Soprano on the seminal HBO series The Sopranos, which won him three Emmy Awards.


  96. buzzsawmonkey
    97 | June 19, 2013 7:48 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Ever notice that the most vocal abortion proponents are the women who are probably the least likely to ever need one?

    The leftwing hysteria over even a minor proposed restriction on the availability of abortion, and the Left’s claims that even a mild restriction heralds the imminent cessation of abortion’s availability, make hollow their protestations that the draconian restrictions they propose on gun ownership are not intended to utterly destroy that right.


  97. buzzsawmonkey
    98 | June 19, 2013 7:58 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Already reeling from a pair of scandals, the Internal Revenue Service is drawing new criticism over plans to hand out millions of dollars in employee bonuses.

    I want to know on what basis “bonuses” are handed out to government employees. Private industry gives bonuses for greater efficiency, breaking sales records, extra safety, increasing profit margins.

    The IRS cannot claim any such basis. It is wholly inappropriate to give out “bonuses” for collecting more taxes than required by law—or even for collecting delinquent taxes, for it gives the government employee an incentive to be overzealous in wholly inappropriate ways.

    So—what’s with these “bonuses”?


  98. huckfunn
    99 | June 19, 2013 8:09 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    So—what’s with these “bonuses”?

    OK. I’ll take public sector unions for $74 million.


  99. Speranza
    100 | June 19, 2013 8:51 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    R.I.P. James Gandolfini
    Actor James Gandolfini died suddenly in Italy after a suspected heart attack. He was 51. Gandolfini will be forever known for his portrayal of mob boss Tony Soprano on the seminal HBO series The Sopranos, which won him three Emmy Awards.

    Holy cow!


  100. huckfunn
    101 | June 19, 2013 9:04 pm

    @ Speranza:
    A damned shame. He was a real talent and his true personality was 180 degrees from the Tony Soprano character that he played so well. A real shocker when someone that young dies so suddenly. My brother died of a heart attack last August. He was 46. Robert Shaw and Richard Burton both died in their early 50′s. Breitbart was 45. Guys in their 40′s and 50′s really need to pay a visit to a cardiologist and get their pipes checked out.


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