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Tamerlan Tsarnaev is now an Icon of the Gun Control Movement

by Rodan ( 155 Comments › )
Filed under Chechnya, Democratic Party, Dhimmitude, Islam, Leftist-Islamic Alliance, Progressives, Republican Party, Terrorism, Tranzis at June 19th, 2013 - 5:00 pm

The Tsarnaev Brothers are now Progressive Icons

TamarlanJahar

I am still on sabbatical on doing political posts since quite frankly, I could care less about the Republican vs. Democrat show. Both parties are Dhimmis and beholden to Islamic interests. Both are in the business of dividing Americans against each other for the benefits of their Arab Islamic paymasters. The Republican and Democrat Parties are collaborators for their Islamic overlords whom they obey like the good Dhimmis they are. Like the Hezbollah vs. al-Qaeda fight in Syria, I would love for both parties to lose. Sadly Americans are stuck in the 2 Party paradigm and are in denial of the Islamic overlords that pull the strings of both parties. I doubt the majority of Americans will ever wake up to the Republican-Democrat con job.

On a very serious note, Tamarelan Tsarnave is now joining his brother in becoming a Progressive icon. NY’s Muslim Brotherhood supporting Mayor Mike Bloomberg has a Gun Control organization called Mayors Against Illegal Guns. They organized a rally in Concord New Hampshire to protest Sen. Kelly Ayote’s vote against the Toomey-Manchin bill. They were  counter protested by Gun Owners and there was even an altercation. A member of the  anti-Gun group then began to read the list of victims from “gun violence” killed since the Sandyhook massacre. One of the names mentioned, was Chechen terrorist Tamarlan Tsarnaev.

The event had people supporting the Mayors Against Illegal Guns movement, founded by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, reading the names of those “killed with guns” since the Dec. 14 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary outside their “No More Names” bus.

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The presence of the national gun control group in front of the state Capitol Tuesday night prompted numerous shouts from gun rights supporters. While there were about 40 No More Names supporters, there were at least 60 gun rights supporters at the rally.

“I think this is a joke,” said Tony Mayfield of Hillsborough, who brought his AR-15 rifle and Sig Sauer T39 handgun to the rally. “We have, for all intents and purposes, a corporation from out of state doing this little publicity stunt here.”

Rally organizers, whose bus had Texas license plates, refused to speak to a New Hampshire Union Leader reporter and referred him to the organization’s national headquarters.

Some of the loudest shouts came when a reader spoke the name of Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects who was killed by police during a gunfight.

“He’s a terrorist,” several protesters shouted.

Its bad enough that Jahar Tsarnaev has become a icon for the Hipster movement, but now his brother has become a “victim” for the Gun Control Fascists. This example shows the dishonesty of the supporters of Gun Control. Many of the “victims” of gun violence, are in fact criminals killed by law abiding gun owners. They use these criminals to inflate their stats of “victims” to manipulate public opinion.

It is disgusting that 2 months after the Boston Marathon bombings that Progressives have embraced the Tsarnaev brothers as heroes. Sadly I fully expect a Tsarnaev Brothers movie in a few years showing them as heroic and T-Shirts with their faces on it.

As a Libertarian with a Nationalist bent I have ideological differences with today’s Conservative movement, but I do not doubt their patriotism and love of Country. Progressives for the most part hate America and are actively seeking to destroy it and remold it into some Neo-Feudal Totalitarian state. Their embrace of the Tsarnaev brothers shows how Progressives are  treasonous filth. Sadly their worldview is considered “Hip.”

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  1. waldensianspirit
    1 | June 19, 2013 5:15 pm

    Juche!


  2. BatGuano
    2 | June 19, 2013 5:30 pm

    “Sadly I fully expect a Tsarnaev Brothers movie in a few years showing them as heroic and T-Shirts with their faces on it.”

    What? and displace Che as the t-shirt icon of the left?


  3. texasam7
    3 | June 19, 2013 5:43 pm

    Oh, barf!


  4. BatGuano
    4 | June 19, 2013 5:45 pm

    texasam7 wrote:

    Oh, barf!

    I too am hurling.


  5. RIX
    6 | June 19, 2013 6:16 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    “Sadly I fully expect a Tsarnaev Brothers movie in a few years showing them as heroic and T-Shirts with their faces on it.”

    What? and displace Che as the t-shirt icon of the left?

    I can see the movie now,
    Two All American boys, treated as aliens by
    a bigoted Country. A Southie Irishman asks ,
    “So are you a fookin Muslim?” A Boston cop stops
    Tamerlan for a speeding ticket, “So ya in a hurry for
    a beheading there Mohammad?”
    Yet they try to fit in. Tamerlan boxes & beats up
    woman just like All American rappers.
    Johar is just a wild & crazy All American guy,
    skateboarding , listening to hip hop & doin lots
    of weed & gettin laid.
    Their actions at the Marathon were a cry for help,
    a plea to be noticed.


  6. heysoos
    7 | June 19, 2013 6:21 pm

    what do you call it when one person kills his own brother with a car? autocide?


  7. RIX
    8 | June 19, 2013 6:28 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    what do you call it when one person kills his own brother with a car? autocide?

    His high school had poor drivers ed.


  8. darkwords
    9 | June 19, 2013 7:04 pm

    Those two should be labeled hipsters.


  9. darkwords
    10 | June 19, 2013 7:06 pm

    @ 7 heysoos: GTO Get Tsarnaev Out


  10. darkwords
    11 | June 19, 2013 7:08 pm

    DUI. Driving while Islamed.


  11. heysoos
    12 | June 19, 2013 7:20 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Those two should be labeled hipsters.

    we need fewer ‘labels’ not more


  12. darkwords
    13 | June 19, 2013 7:27 pm

    @ 12 heysoos: We could call everyone Prince. And just give them a personal symbol. :-)

    You can marry a nice looking woman like this if you label correctly.


  13. Buckeye Abroad
    14 | June 19, 2013 7:27 pm

    Obama offends Catholics in the UK, says religious schools are divisive

    This gimp does have it in for the catholics. Meh.


  14. BatGuano
    15 | June 19, 2013 7:28 pm

    The feds think tea partiers are more dangerous than muslims. Where is Obama on this?


  15. heysoos
    16 | June 19, 2013 7:36 pm

    @ BatGuano:
    snorting Columbian coke and doing shots of Jack Black


  16. heysoos
    17 | June 19, 2013 7:45 pm

    BO is derelict, he’s blurting mindless shit that makes no sense, he’s gasping politically, so he spends $100m on a vacation, he’s killing his own troops in Astan, and arming the very bad guys that killed our troops…he’s behaving in a dangerous, irrational manner…he should be monitored for drug use…this guy is a lunatic and people are dying to support his vanity…and the GOP sits on their ass, waiting to get re-elected


  17. rain of lead
    18 | June 19, 2013 8:00 pm

    @ heysoos:

    what do you call it when one person kills his own brother muzzie terrorist with a car?

    a good start?


  18. rain of lead
    19 | June 19, 2013 8:01 pm

    actor James Gandolfini died suddenly in Italy after a suspected heart attack.

    http://www.deadline.com/2013/06/r-i-p-james-gandolfini/


  19. rain of lead
    20 | June 19, 2013 8:03 pm

    Local Governments Reeling Under ObamaCare Costs
    Darden Restaurants (DRI) felt this intense heat last year after suggesting it might shift to more part-time work to minimize the cost of the law’s mandate that companies offer coverage to all their full-time workers. CEO Clarence Otis even blamed its lowered outlook for 2013 in part on “recent negative media coverage” over “how we might accommodate health care reform.”

    Yet while private companies are getting all this unwelcome and hostile attention, local governments across the country have been quietly doing exactly the same thing — cutting part-time hours specifically so they can skirt ObamaCare’s costly employer mandate, while complaining about the law in some of the harshest terms anyone has uttered in public.

    The result is that part-time government workers — many of them low-income — face pay cuts that can top $3,000 a year, and yet will still be left without employer-provided benefits.

    Read More At Investor’s Business Daily: http://news.investors.com/061913-660419-local-governments-cut-hours-to-avoid-obamacare-mandate.htm#ixzz2Wi5gY4gy
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  20. brookly red
    21 | June 19, 2013 8:06 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    Obama offends Catholics in the UK, says religious schools are divisive

    This gimp does have it in for the catholics. Meh.

    who was it that said “religion is the opiate of the masses” again?


  21. heysoos
    22 | June 19, 2013 8:07 pm

    it’s my Kim Simmonds hour…the time of day when I remind myself who I am


  22. heysoos
    23 | June 19, 2013 8:08 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:
    Obama offends Catholics in the UK, says religious schools are divisive
    This gimp does have it in for the catholics. Meh.

    who was it that said “religion is the opiate of the masses” again?

    whiever it was, he was right


  23. brookly red
  24. brookly red
    25 | June 19, 2013 8:10 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:
    Obama offends Catholics in the UK, says religious schools are divisive
    This gimp does have it in for the catholics. Meh.

    who was it that said “religion is the opiate of the masses” again?

    whiever it was, he was right

    it was Karl Marx, comrade.


  25. rain of lead
    26 | June 19, 2013 8:11 pm

    holy carp
    the sun is racist! who knew?

    MSNBC host and Obama sycophant Chris Matthews blamed the sun for spoiling the president’s speech in Berlin today.

    “I think a lot of the problem he had today was the late afternoon sun in Berlin ruined his use of the teleprompter and so his usual dramatic windup was ruined,” Matthews said immediately after the speech. “I think he was really struggling with the text there.”

    *blink**blink*
    bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


  26. heysoos
    27 | June 19, 2013 8:13 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Buckeye Abroad wrote:
    Obama offends Catholics in the UK, says religious schools are divisive
    This gimp does have it in for the catholics. Meh.
    who was it that said “religion is the opiate of the masses” again?
    whiever it was, he was right

    it was Karl Marx, comrade.

    Karl knew his history


  27. rain of lead
    28 | June 19, 2013 8:18 pm

    hmmmmm
    a protest vote?

    it seems we are note the only ones fed up with lying shitweasels
    in government

    Cat stands for election in Mexican city

    It started as a joke between friends, but Morris the cat’s bid to become mayor of the Mexican city of Xalapa, the capital of the state of Veracruz, has now turned into a social media phenomenon with a serious message about political disenchantment.

    “Morris has become an expression of how fed up people are with all the parties and a political system that does not represent us,” said Sergio Chamorro, the owner of the furry black-and-white candidate whose first campaign slogan was: “Tired of voting for rats? Vote for a cat.”

    The Facebook page for the Candigato (gato means cat in Spanish) now has more than 130,000 “likes” – far more than those accrued by any of the candidates registered to stand in the Xalapa election, and more too than those of Veracruz’s current governor. Mexico will hold local elections in around half of the country on 7 July.

    the cat, appears to have politicians and the authorities genuinely worried.

    The head of Veracruz’s electoral institute, which organises elections in the state, has urged members of the public not to waste their votes by spoiling their ballots with support for Morris. “It is important to vote for the registered candidates,” Carolina Viveros said. “Please.”

    yes we cat indeed


  28. lobo91
    29 | June 19, 2013 8:23 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    If he wins, will Obama bow to him?


  29. heysoos
    30 | June 19, 2013 8:24 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    what?…could you repeat that?


  30. lobo91
    31 | June 19, 2013 8:26 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    Leia could probably run for John Morse’s state senate seat if he loses his recall, but unfortunately, we don’t live in that district.


  31. rain of lead
    32 | June 19, 2013 8:27 pm

    and Democrap math from the state of California, after a tax increase that was said by the politicans to give an $85 billion surplus, a new state audit finds that the state of California is in the red by an unsustainable $127.2 billion

    well then
    not a lot to add to that

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/1/california-red-1272-billion-state-auditors-say/


  32. rain of lead
    33 | June 19, 2013 8:29 pm

    @ lobo91:

    did you see the picture of that cat? he looks badass
    Obama would probably try to surrender to him


  33. heysoos
    34 | June 19, 2013 8:30 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ rain of lead:
    Leia could probably run for John Morse’s state senate seat if he loses his recall, but unfortunately, we don’t live in that district.

    you almost make it sound like it matteres who wins…dude, your GOP doesn’t give a fuck about you, maybe at the schoolboard or locally


  34. lobo91
    35 | June 19, 2013 8:33 pm

    @ heysoos:

    you almost make it sound like it matteres who wins…dude, your GOP doesn’t give a fuck about you, maybe at the schoolboard or locally

    Since I’m talking about state issues, yes, it does matter who wins.

    It’s also a shot across the bow of Bloomberg, who paid for the whole anti-gun legislation blitz here in the first place.


  35. lobo91
    36 | June 19, 2013 8:34 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    did you see the picture of that cat? he looks badass
    Obama would probably try to surrender to him

    Or he’d send the cat a bunch of weapons.


  36. eaglesoars
    37 | June 19, 2013 8:34 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    This is my favorite of the day…
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/18/twa-flight-800-investigators-break-silence-in-new-documentary-claim-original/?test=latestnews
    about freakin time.

    God knows people here have convinced me to change my mind once or twice -- but seriously? You think this was an attack?


  37. rain of lead
    38 | June 19, 2013 8:35 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I’m with lobo
    at the fed level we’re screwed so we have to make a difference at the local leval


  38. eaglesoars
    39 | June 19, 2013 8:35 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    It’s also a shot across the bow of Bloomberg, who paid for the whole anti-gun legislation blitz here in the first place.

    He could spend it all and it would change nothing.


  39. lobo91
    40 | June 19, 2013 8:37 pm

    Belgium And The Netherlands Consider Permitting Euthanasia For Children-Including To “Relieve The Suffering Of Parents”

    How long before Sebelius implements this here via her new-found powers?


  40. lobo91
    41 | June 19, 2013 8:38 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I don’t think he’s gotten that message yet.


  41. rain of lead
    42 | June 19, 2013 8:40 pm

    @ lobo91:

    shhh shush.. don’t be giving that scrunt any ideas


  42. brookly red
    43 | June 19, 2013 8:42 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    This is my favorite of the day…
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/18/twa-flight-800-investigators-break-silence-in-new-documentary-claim-original/?test=latestnews
    about freakin time.

    God knows people here have convinced me to change my mind once or twice — but seriously? You think this was an attack?

    they showed the video on TV, clearly an object was rising up to the aircraft, hundreds of people on Long Island saw it… Google it. Oh and by the way the flight’s final destination was not Paris, that was a stop over it was headed to Israel. Clinton shut this down so fast it was amazing.


  43. eaglesoars
    45 | June 19, 2013 8:43 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I am keeping my mouth shut


  44. lobo91
    46 | June 19, 2013 8:46 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I am keeping my mouth shut

    Teenager giving you trouble? No problem! Get a 50th trimester abortion!
    --Future Obamacare Ad


  45. eaglesoars
    47 | June 19, 2013 8:48 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    they showed the video on TV, clearly an object was rising up to the aircraft, hundreds of people on Long Island saw it… Google it.

    I have watched that video at least 10 times -- and yes it does look like a missile rising to hit the plane. I think there was some thought that it may have been a military missile gone astray -- but IIRC there is some evidence that the plane broke apart and what was caught on video was incomplete.


  46. lobo91
    48 | June 19, 2013 8:50 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I think there was some thought that it may have been a military missile gone astray

    The Alex Jones crowd will believe anything


  47. 49 | June 19, 2013 8:50 pm

    One of the names mentioned, was Chechen terrorist Tamarlan Tsarnaev.

    One of the names not mentioned was the officer Tamarlan Tsarnaev assassinated.


  48. brookly red
    50 | June 19, 2013 8:55 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    they showed the video on TV, clearly an object was rising up to the aircraft, hundreds of people on Long Island saw it… Google it.

    I have watched that video at least 10 times — and yes it does look like a missile rising to hit the plane. I think there was some thought that it may have been a military missile gone astray — but IIRC there is some evidence that the plane broke apart and what was caught on video was incomplete.

    747s do not just fall out of the sky… a heat seeking missile hits the engine, a radar controlled missile hits center mass. Flight 800 was hit by a MANPAD and Clinton covered it up.


  49. lobo91
    51 | June 19, 2013 8:58 pm

    @ brookly red:

    a heat seeking missile hits the engine, a radar controlled missile hits center mass. Flight 800 was hit by a MANPAD and Clinton covered it up.

    There are no radar-guided MANPADS.

    And radar-guided missiles typically don’t “hit” the target at all. They’re usually armed with fragmentation warheads that detonate with a proximity fuse.


  50. 52 | June 19, 2013 9:05 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    CA or IL….which one will go down first?


  51. eaglesoars
    53 | June 19, 2013 9:05 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    747s do not just fall out of the sky…

    I’ve just reviewed some video to check my memory -- it’s been a long time.

    If you look at the wreckage reconstructed -- I just don’t see a missile there.

    But what do I know. I’m not an NTSB accident investigator

    Hannity has that liar Rubio on.


  52. rain of lead
    54 | June 19, 2013 9:06 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ rain of lead:

    CA or IL….which one will go down first?

    dunno
    cali does seem to be trying harder though


  53. lobo91
    55 | June 19, 2013 9:07 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Anyone who believes that something like that could be successfully covered up by our government has never worked for it.


  54. eaglesoars
    56 | June 19, 2013 9:13 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Anyone who believes that something like that could be successfully covered up by our government has never worked for it.

    I’d like to believe you, really I would. Unfortunately, there’s this whole NSA/IRS business -- none of which ever should have happened.

    There are apparently just enough Lois Lehrners in the world -- and Obamas

    I loved watching Sessions kick the crap out of the FBI director who sullenly maintains he really isn’t familiar with the day-to-day workings of the agency.


  55. lobo91
    57 | June 19, 2013 9:16 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I’d like to believe you, really I would. Unfortunately, there’s this whole NSA/IRS business — none of which ever should have happened.

    And which you know about, thus proving my point.


  56. eaglesoars
    58 | June 19, 2013 9:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    And which you know about, thus proving my point.

    Fair enough. But if there had been any idea that it would become public those programs never would have begun.

    And how do we know what we don’t know?

    ok. That sounds really paranoid doesn’t it

    Put it this way. I trust the feds about as far as I can spit with a dry mouth.


  57. lobo91
    59 | June 19, 2013 9:25 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Put it this way. I trust the feds about as far as I can spit with a dry mouth.

    Oh, I certainly don’t trust them. My point is that they aren’t that competent. They’d like to keep all this stuff secret, but they aren’t that good.


  58. Buckeye Abroad
    60 | June 19, 2013 9:26 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:
    Obama offends Catholics in the UK, says religious schools are divisive
    This gimp does have it in for the catholics. Meh.

    who was it that said “religion is the opiate of the masses” again?

    whiever it was, he was right

    Sweet ignorance you got there. Did you parents pass that on to you or did you take out a student loan?


  59. brookly red
    61 | June 19, 2013 9:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    a heat seeking missile hits the engine, a radar controlled missile hits center mass. Flight 800 was hit by a MANPAD and Clinton covered it up.

    There are no radar-guided MANPADS.

    Ah

    And radar-guided missiles typically don’t “hit” the target at all. They’re usually armed with fragmentation warheads that detonate with a proximity fuse.

    h ha exactly what the investigators said “ordnance in close proximity”… I knew some one would correct me there… but read the story, it’s gonna be big.


  60. huckfunn
    62 | June 19, 2013 9:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    Anyone who believes that something like that could be successfully covered up by our government has never worked for it.

    That’s pretty much my response to the conspiracy du jour, be it JFK, 911 trufers or little green men in Roswell, NM.


  61. brookly red
    63 | June 19, 2013 9:31 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    Anyone who believes that something like that could be successfully covered up by our government has never worked for it.

    That’s pretty much my response to the conspiracy du jour, be it JFK, 911 trufers or little green men in Roswell, NM.

    /and Benghazi was caused by a movie… OK whatever.


  62. brookly red
    64 | June 19, 2013 9:33 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    I’d like to believe you, really I would. Unfortunately, there’s this whole NSA/IRS business — none of which ever should have happened.

    And which you know about, thus proving my point.

    so this also proves your point… it just took awhile for the investigators to retire.


  63. lobo91
    65 | June 19, 2013 9:33 pm

    @ brookly red:

    h ha exactly what the investigators said “ordnance in close proximity”… I knew some one would correct me there… but read the story, it’s gonna be big.

    I saw the segment on FNC today. It was apparently a slow news day.

    Sorry, but the story is crap.

    As soon as they guy started talking about “Stinger missiles stolen from National Guard Armories,” I knew he was full of shit.

    The only National Guard Armories where you’ll find any Stinger missiles to steal are in low-budget movies.


  64. lobo91
    66 | June 19, 2013 9:36 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Believe whatever you like.

    It’s curious that nobody’s been able to identify exactly what type of missile was allegedly used, or who was responsible, don’t you think?


  65. brookly red
    67 | June 19, 2013 9:39 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Believe whatever you like.

    It’s curious that nobody’s been able to identify exactly what type of missile was allegedly used, or who was responsible, don’t you think?

    no one has found Jimmy Hoffa either but let’s agree to disagree and see where the story goes.


  66. eaglesoars
    68 | June 19, 2013 9:41 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    or who was responsible, don’t you think?

    that’s the part that gets me. Somebody would have claimed credit. Unless it was somebody whose soon-to-be ex-spouse was onboard and they didn’t feel like putting up with years of lawyers.


  67. lobo91
    69 | June 19, 2013 9:44 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    that’s the part that gets me. Somebody would have claimed credit. Unless it was somebody whose soon-to-be ex-spouse was onboard and they didn’t feel like putting up with years of lawyers.

    Exactly.

    What’s the point of going to all the trouble and expense of shooting down an airliner and then not telling anyone?


  68. 70 | June 19, 2013 9:44 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Anyone who believes that something like that could be successfully covered up by our government has never worked for it.

    Which is why it’s coming out now?


  69. lobo91
    71 | June 19, 2013 9:46 pm

    @ brookly red:

    no one has found Jimmy Hoffa either but let’s agree to disagree and see where the story goes.

    It isn’t going to go anywhere. The purpose of it is to make money for the people pushing it. It’s going to be shown on TV, so I guess they succeeded.


  70. lobo91
    72 | June 19, 2013 9:47 pm

    @ Rancher:

    After what, 17 years?


  71. brookly red
    73 | June 19, 2013 9:48 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    or who was responsible, don’t you think?

    that’s the part that gets me. Somebody would have claimed credit. Unless it was somebody whose soon-to-be ex-spouse was onboard and they didn’t feel like putting up with years of lawyers.

    now the new Boeing “dream-liner” was recently grounded by the Japanese because the batteries could maybe catch fire… if 747s had a flaw that could cause them to explode don’t you think at least 1 government or even 1 private airline would have taken them out of service for at least a few days to check it out?


  72. huckfunn
    74 | June 19, 2013 9:50 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    /and Benghazi was caused by a movie… OK whatever.

    Ha! That’s one of the many goofy things about the BO regime. They’ll toss out some lame lie after it’s already been proven to be false and then the MFM will back them up on the various evolving version of the lie. It’s like a circus.


  73. lobo91
    75 | June 19, 2013 9:53 pm

    @ brookly red:

    if 747s had a flaw that could cause them to explode don’t you think at least 1 government or even 1 private airline would have taken them out of service for at least a few days to check it out?

    Not every mechanical problem indicates a fleet-wide design flaw.

    747s have been flying since 1969, after all.


  74. brookly red
    76 | June 19, 2013 9:54 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    /and Benghazi was caused by a movie… OK whatever.

    Ha! That’s one of the many goofy things about the BO regime. They’ll toss out some lame lie after it’s already been proven to be false and then the MFM will back them up on the various evolving version of the lie. It’s like a circus.

    I would love to make a documentary… I would call it “From the Bay of Pigs to Benghazi”


  75. eaglesoars
    77 | June 19, 2013 9:55 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    What’s the point of going to all the trouble and expense of shooting down an airliner

    not to mention the risk of getting caught. So soon after 9/11 when we were all still so raw -- lynching comes to mind

    But to get back on topic -- I wonder when it will occur to Bloomberg that no one listens to him anymore -- if they ever did.

    And OFA turned out 3 people.

    Wonder how that will get covered in the media


  76. RIX
    78 | June 19, 2013 9:55 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    /and Benghazi was caused by a movie… OK whatever.

    Ha! That’s one of the many goofy things about the BO regime. They’ll toss out some lame lie after it’s already been proven to be false and then the MFM will back them up on the various evolving version of the lie. It’s like a circus.

    The Administration has a police state mentality
    and the MSM was all in.
    But they got stupid & screwed with the AP.
    The MSM still loves him, but not as much.


  77. brookly red
    79 | June 19, 2013 9:57 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    if 747s had a flaw that could cause them to explode don’t you think at least 1 government or even 1 private airline would have taken them out of service for at least a few days to check it out?

    Not every mechanical problem indicates a fleet-wide design flaw.

    747s have been flying since 1969, after all.

    So how come the families of the passengers didn’t sue? Not 1. 230 dead in an accident and no lawsuits? That’s is a hard thing to explain away.


  78. brookly red
    80 | June 19, 2013 9:59 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    not to mention the risk of getting caught. So soon after 9/11 when we were all still so raw — lynching comes to mind

    it was before 9/11 btw…


  79. lobo91
    81 | June 19, 2013 10:02 pm

    @ brookly red:

    So how come the families of the passengers didn’t sue? Not 1. 230 dead in an accident and no lawsuits? That’s is a hard thing to explain away.

    It would be if it were true, but it’s not. There were all sorts of lawsuits.


  80. eaglesoars
    82 | June 19, 2013 10:02 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    it was before 9/11 btw…

    jesus christ. why have I conflated them?

    Oh I know. There was a plane that went down over NYC right after 9/11. What was that?


  81. Da_Beerfreak
    83 | June 19, 2013 10:03 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    not to mention the risk of getting caught. So soon after 9/11 when we were all still so raw — lynching comes to mind

    it was before 9/11 btw…

    by about five years… :wink:


  82. Da_Beerfreak
    84 | June 19, 2013 10:04 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    That was an Airbus, don’t remember whose.


  83. 85 | June 19, 2013 10:06 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Rancher:
    After what, 17 years?

    It does take some time but yes, it all comes out eventually.


  84. brookly red
    86 | June 19, 2013 10:07 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    So how come the families of the passengers didn’t sue? Not 1. 230 dead in an accident and no lawsuits? That’s is a hard thing to explain away.

    It would be if it were true, but it’s not. There were all sorts of lawsuits.

    that is true I stand corrected, but the were quickly settled class action… I guess I am just more concerned because it is a local issue, many of my fellow Long Islanders (BK is on LI after all) saw it with their own eyes and some even recorded it… Oh well.


  85. lobo91
    87 | June 19, 2013 10:09 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    It was American flight 587.


  86. brookly red
    88 | June 19, 2013 10:11 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Rancher:
    After what, 17 years?

    It does take some time but yes, it all comes out eventually.

    kinda like “swift-boats” it’s time just came.


  87. eaglesoars
    90 | June 19, 2013 10:16 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    It was American flight 587.

    ah yes

    thank you


  88. RIX
    91 | June 19, 2013 10:20 pm

    jesus christ. why have I conflated them?

    Oh I know. There was a plane that went down over NYC right after 9/11. What was that?
    @ eaglesoars:

    Maybe you’re thinking of this.
    Egypt Air from LA to Cairo with
    a stop at JFK crashed in the Atlantic
    off of Nantucket.
    The NSTB said it was deliberate by a relief
    pilot, but the Egyptians claimed mechanical
    failure. But that was October, 1999.


  89. lobo91
    92 | June 19, 2013 10:20 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    That’s pretty much my response to the conspiracy du jour, be it JFK, 911 trufers or little green men in Roswell, NM.

    While I don’t buy into the absurd conspiracy theories surrounding the JFK assassination, I don’t believe that Oswald was capable of carrying it out alone, either.

    I doubt that we’ll ever know what really happened.


  90. lobo91
    93 | June 19, 2013 10:21 pm

    @ RIX:

    The NSTB said it was deliberate by a relief
    pilot, but the Egyptians claimed mechanical
    failure. But that was October, 1999.

    Never mind the cockpit voice recorder, that pretty clearly shows what happened.


  91. RIX
    94 | June 19, 2013 10:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Tea Party Rally In D.C. May Have Been Bigger Than Obama Audience In Berlin

    Heh

    Well, according to Charles Foster Johnson, hardly
    nobody showed up. And those that did were Nazis
    and neo Confederates..
    He even claimed that a First Air Cav blue hat
    was Confederate.


  92. lobo91
    95 | June 19, 2013 10:25 pm

    @ RIX:

    Whatever


  93. brookly red
    96 | June 19, 2013 10:25 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    The NSTB said it was deliberate by a relief
    pilot, but the Egyptians claimed mechanical
    failure. But that was October, 1999.

    Never mind the cockpit voice recorder, that pretty clearly shows what happened.

    he is a good summary some one posted on another blog…

    If you have over 270 eyewitnesses who see an event all from different angles and all tell pretty much the same story, it’s probably true. Yet the FBI under Bill Clinton refused to listen. When an Air National Guard pilot, who fought in the 1991 Gulf war, and his radar operator tell you they saw a SAM (surface to air missile) launch and they are experienced at it because they were shot at with them during the Gulf War, they know what they are talking about. Even John Kerry in two interview a couple of years ago stated that the 9/11 attacks were the first attacks on American soil since flight 800. This was a cover up to keep Bill Clinton from losing the 1996 election.


  94. RIX
    97 | June 19, 2013 10:25 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    The NSTB said it was deliberate by a relief
    pilot, but the Egyptians claimed mechanical
    failure. But that was October, 1999.

    Never mind the cockpit voice recorder, that pretty clearly shows what happened.

    What did it show?


  95. brookly red
    98 | June 19, 2013 10:27 pm

    RIX wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Tea Party Rally In D.C. May Have Been Bigger Than Obama Audience In Berlin

    Heh

    Well, according to Charles Foster Johnson, hardly
    nobody showed up. And those that did were Nazis
    and neo Confederates..
    He even claimed that a First Air Cav blue hat
    was Confederate.

    heh wonder what they will say of flight 800…


  96. lobo91
    99 | June 19, 2013 10:28 pm

    @ RIX:

    What did it show?

    One pilot (presumably the one in control) yelling “Allahu ackbar” over and over, while the other one attempted to wrestle the controls away from him.


  97. RIX
    100 | June 19, 2013 10:29 pm

    @ RIX:
    Just googled, the pilot screamed Allah Akbar.


  98. RIX
    101 | June 19, 2013 10:29 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    What did it show?

    One pilot (presumably the one in control) yelling “Allahu ackbar” over and over, while the other one attempted to wrestle the controls away from him.

    Clearly a misunderstander of the Koran./


  99. brookly red
    102 | June 19, 2013 10:30 pm

    RIX wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    The NSTB said it was deliberate by a relief
    pilot, but the Egyptians claimed mechanical
    failure. But that was October, 1999.

    Never mind the cockpit voice recorder, that pretty clearly shows what happened.

    What did it show?

    the co-pilot intentionally crashed the plane which btw was full of Egyptian military helio pilots who were just trained in the US… coincidence?


  100. eaglesoars
    103 | June 19, 2013 10:30 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:
    The NSTB said it was deliberate by a relief
    pilot, but the Egyptians claimed mechanical
    failure. But that was October, 1999.
    Never mind the cockpit voice recorder, that pretty clearly shows what happened.

    Airdisastor.com has a link to the cockpit voice recorder. Don’t know if it still works


  101. brookly red
    104 | June 19, 2013 10:31 pm

    RIX wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    What did it show?

    One pilot (presumably the one in control) yelling “Allahu ackbar” over and over, while the other one attempted to wrestle the controls away from him.

    Clearly a misunderstander of the Koran./

    never order the pork chops on a transatlantic flight.


  102. RIX
    105 | June 19, 2013 10:32 pm

    heh wonder what they will say of flight 800…@ brookly red:

    Probably that the Tea Party did it.


  103. lobo91
    106 | June 19, 2013 10:32 pm

    @ brookly red:

    So what model of missile was it, and where was it launched from?

    It wasn’t a heat-seeker, which all man-portable systems made throughout the world are.

    That means it had to be a radar-guided missile, which could only have been launched by a warship.

    So whose navy shot it down, and why?

    Oh, and this is funny:

    This was a cover up to keep Bill Clinton from losing the 1996 election.

    There was never any chance that Clinton was going to lose in 1996.


  104. brookly red
    107 | June 19, 2013 10:34 pm

    RIX wrote:

    heh wonder what they will say of flight 800…@ brookly red:

    Probably that the Tea Party did it.

    the echo conservatives aka green tea party?


  105. RIX
    108 | June 19, 2013 10:37 pm

    never order the pork chops on a transatlantic flight.

    -@ brookly red:

    Right, get the falafels. They’re very good.


  106. RIX
    109 | June 19, 2013 10:38 pm

    @ brookly red:
    No it was those annoying Patriot Tea Party types./


  107. lobo91
    110 | June 19, 2013 10:39 pm

    @ RIX:

    Never take a transatlantic flight full of Muslims if you can help it.

    The bathrooms will inevitably be totally trashed by the time you get to where you’re going.


  108. brookly red
    111 | June 19, 2013 10:42 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    So what model of missile was it, and where was it launched from?

    It wasn’t a heat-seeker, which all man-portable systems made throughout the world are.

    That means it had to be a radar-guided missile, which could only have been launched by a warship.

    So whose navy shot it down, and why?

    Oh, and this is funny:

    This was a cover up to keep Bill Clinton from losing the 1996 election.

    There was never any chance that Clinton was going to lose in 1996.

    how should I know, there we many boats in the area… Some of the investigators on the case, 6 I think now say cover up. I believe them, if you don’t your argument is with them not me.

    Are all 6 government experts lying? Wouldn’t be the first time but I am guessing not.


  109. RIX
    112 | June 19, 2013 10:43 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Never take a transatlantic flight full of Muslims if you can help it.

    The bathrooms will inevitably be totally trashed by the time you get to where you’re going.

    They don’t seem like slaves to hygene.


  110. lobo91
    113 | June 19, 2013 10:44 pm

    @ brookly red:

    So you think some enemy navy snuck a destroyer into Long Island Sound, shot down an airliner, and then slipped out of the area without anyone noticing?

    Because that is what you’re suggesting.


  111. brookly red
    114 | June 19, 2013 10:45 pm

    RIX wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Never take a transatlantic flight full of Muslims if you can help it.

    The bathrooms will inevitably be totally trashed by the time you get to where you’re going.

    They don’t seem like slaves to hygene.

    right, all those tax dollars and they still don’t use the foot baths at the airport…


  112. lobo91
    115 | June 19, 2013 10:45 pm

    @ RIX:

    They don’t seem like slaves to hygene.

    Understatement of the night


  113. eaglesoars
    116 | June 19, 2013 10:48 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Never take a transatlantic flight full of Muslims if you can help it.
    The bathrooms will inevitably be totally trashed by the time you get to where you’re going.

    you have a story there somewhere don’t you?

    sharing is caring

    :wink:


  114. brookly red
    117 | June 19, 2013 10:51 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    So you think some enemy navy snuck a destroyer into Long Island Sound, shot down an airliner, and then slipped out of the area without anyone noticing?

    Because that is what you’re suggesting.

    no I am suggesting the flight was intentionally downed, and it was covered up. There were over 200 witnesses, but again I am just a with a keypad… argue with the investigators who made the claim.


  115. lobo91
    118 | June 19, 2013 10:51 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Anyone who’s ever flown to the middle east on anything other than a charter flight will tell you the same thing.


  116. RIX
    119 | June 19, 2013 10:52 pm

    right, all those tax dollars and they still don’t use the foot baths at the airport…
    @ brookly red:

    Foot baths? I thought that they were urinals.
    No wonder i get screamed at in Arabic.


  117. lobo91
    120 | June 19, 2013 10:54 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I’m not arguing with anyone, just pointing out the absurdity of the claim.

    Since the only way such a missile could have been brought within range was on a warship, there must have been such a warship present.

    Yet nobody’s reported seeing one. They’re pretty hard to hide, after all.

    Maybe it was a stealth ship.


  118. brookly red
    121 | June 19, 2013 10:57 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    I’m not arguing with anyone, just pointing out the absurdity of the claim.

    Since the only way such a missile could have been brought within range was on a warship, there must have been such a warship present.

    Yet nobody’s reported seeing one. They’re pretty hard to hide, after all.

    Maybe it was a stealth ship.


  119. eaglesoars
    122 | June 19, 2013 10:59 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Anyone who’s ever flown to the middle east

    I have not had the pleasure -- no do I intend to


  120. lobo91
    123 | June 19, 2013 10:59 pm

    @ brookly red:

    All I’m doing is looking at it through the classic “means, motive, opportunity” model.

    I don’t see anyone who would have had the means.

    It’s the same reason I don’t believe Oswald killed JFK. He was a below-average shot while he was in the Marines, and there’s no evidence that he spent any significant time practicing beforehand. He had a shitty rifle, and an even shittier scope, that wasn’t even properly mounted to the rifle.


  121. brookly red
    124 | June 19, 2013 11:00 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    I’m not arguing with anyone, just pointing out the absurdity of the claim.

    Since the only way such a missile could have been brought within range was on a warship, there must have been such a warship present.

    Yet nobody’s reported seeing one. They’re pretty hard to hide, after all.

    Maybe it was a stealth ship.

    whatever, the story is not going away and we shall see.


  122. lobo91
    125 | June 19, 2013 11:00 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Anyone who’s ever flown to the middle east
    I have not had the pleasure — no do I intend to

    Good plan.


  123. RIX
    126 | June 19, 2013 11:03 pm

    Hawks & Bruins 5 to 5 after regulation.
    Another overtime. Son of a $^#*&!!!!!!!!!!
    Good night all.


  124. lobo91
    127 | June 19, 2013 11:03 pm

    @ brookly red:

    whatever, the story is not going away and we shall see.

    Oh, I’m sure it won’t go away. There’s a lot of money to be made in conspiracy theory books and movies, after all.

    And the timing is convenient. How much do you want to bet that those involved are Obama/Democrat donors? The administration could certainly use something to distract from its own misdeeds (even better that it reflects badly on Bill Clinton).


  125. lobo91
    128 | June 19, 2013 11:03 pm

    @ RIX:

    Night


  126. 129 | June 19, 2013 11:04 pm

    @ RIX:

    GO BRUINS! Beat the Blackcocks! :)


  127. rain of lead
    130 | June 19, 2013 11:05 pm

    watching top shot
    that is the best show on tv
    last hour they shot long bows and gatling guns


  128. eaglesoars
    131 | June 19, 2013 11:08 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    He was a below-average shot while he was in the Marines,

    but I’ve seen documentaries that say he attained ‘marksman’ level in the corps as tho it meant he could not miss

    I don’t even know what that means


  129. brookly red
    132 | June 19, 2013 11:08 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    whatever, the story is not going away and we shall see.

    Oh, I’m sure it won’t go away. There’s a lot of money to be made in conspiracy theory books and movies, after all.

    And the timing is convenient. How much do you want to bet that those involved are Obama/Democrat donors? The administration could certainly use something to distract from its own misdeeds (even better that it reflects badly on Bill Clinton).

    Oh no doubt the hit is on for Clinton but that is all the more reason to believe… why leak a story that can’t be backed up.


  130. lobo91
    133 | June 19, 2013 11:12 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    The United States Marine Corps award two types of Marine Corps Marksmanship Qualification Badges, one for the service rifle and one for the service pistol, to all Marines who qualify at three different qualification levels (highest to lowest): Expert, Sharpshooter, and Marksman. These qualification badges are suspended beneath a brooch which bears the name of the type of weapon (rifle or pistol) and the qualification level earned. Some of these badges are different in appearance, depending on the type of weapon and qualification level

    Same three levels in the Army.


  131. rain of lead
    134 | June 19, 2013 11:12 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    He was a below-average shot while he was in the Marines,

    but I’ve seen documentaries that say he attained ‘marksman’ level in the corps as tho it meant he could not miss

    I don’t even know what that means

    I think all that it means is that he just hit the target at least half the time


  132. lobo91
    135 | June 19, 2013 11:15 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Short answer: Marksman = barely passed.

    And he wasn’t shooting a bolt action WWII Italian military surplus POS in the Marines. He would have qualified on the M1 Garand at the time he served. Unlike Call of Duty, the fact that someone was once trained on a particular rifle doesn’t mean that he can automatically pick up a completely different type of rifle several years later and hit anything he aims it at.


  133. lobo91
    136 | June 19, 2013 11:17 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    I think all that it means is that he just hit the target at least half the time

    Pretty much. Under controlled conditions, on the range, at a known distance, with nobody potentially shooting back at him.


  134. eaglesoars
    137 | June 19, 2013 11:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    And he wasn’t shooting a bolt action WWII Italian military surplus POS in the Marines.

    Wait. What? Is THAT what he supposedly killed JFK with?

    I do remember something about it being mail order


  135. rain of lead
    138 | June 19, 2013 11:21 pm

    @ lobo91:

    do you watch top shot?
    I like it because it puts shooters with a high level of skill into
    stressfull and unfamiliar scenes


  136. rain of lead
    139 | June 19, 2013 11:23 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    the rifle he used was a piece of crap


  137. eaglesoars
    140 | June 19, 2013 11:32 pm

    bed time

    nite all


  138. rain of lead
    141 | June 19, 2013 11:33 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    sleep well


  139. AZfederalist
    142 | June 19, 2013 11:45 pm

    RIX wrote:

    His high school had poor drivers ed.

    He didn’t really need to learn to park the car.


  140. lobo91
    143 | June 19, 2013 11:51 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    It was a 6.5mm Carcano Model 91/38, which he purchased by mail order:

    On March 12, 1963, Oswald ordered the rifle with an attached telescopic sight from an advertisement in the February 1963 issue of the American Rifleman magazine (official publication of the National Rifle Association), paying $19.95 plus postage and handling.

    $19.95 with the scope. Even in 1963, I don’t think that indicated a particularly high quality gun.

    When it was recovered, the scope wasn’t even properly mounted. Not all the screws were in place, so it wouldn’t hold a zero.

    Another interesting (and never explained) discrepancy involves the ammunition. That particular cartridge used an unusually heavy jacket on the bullet, which was designed to prevent it from breaking up when it hit the target. It was originally designed for mountain warfare, and needed to be able to penetrate several layers of heavy clothing.

    Despite this fact, the bullet that killed Kennedy supposedly disintegrated when it went through his head. If so, it was the first (and last) one in history to do so.


  141. rain of lead
    144 | June 20, 2013 12:00 am

    @ lobo91:

    magic bullet for the win


  142. lobo91
    145 | June 20, 2013 12:06 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    magic bullet for the win

    And then there’s the fact that of the three shots fired, the only one that actually was a clean hit was the third (and most difficult) one.

    The first shot was taken while the car was coming almost straight toward him, making a tight turn. Essentially a stationary target. That shot missed the entire car and hit the curb.

    The second shot is the one that went through both Kennedy’s torso and Connoly.

    The head shot was made while the car was moving away from him and accelerating.

    Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely? Not very.


  143. AZfederalist
    146 | June 20, 2013 12:09 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Oh I know. There was a plane that went down over NYC right after 9/11. What was that?

    Airbus. Not sure of the airline. It was a flaw in the aircraft. The fly by wire system and controls always assume they are right and over-rule the pilot if there is a conflict. Don’t remember all the details, read the review board report in Aviation Leak when it came out. Basically, Boeing designs allow the pilot to over-ride control systems if something seems out of whack. The European designers, being the good statists they are, settled on a “the human is always the flawed element in the chain” approach and designed their systems such that humans can’t over-ride. Something was going wrong and the control system applied the wrong inputs making the problem even worse which made the control system apply even more wrong inputs making the problem even worse until it became uncontrollable.


  144. AZfederalist
    147 | June 20, 2013 12:12 am

    RIX wrote:

    What did it show?

    Egyptian co-pilot made the statement, “I have made my decision and I am content with it” or words to that effect. IIRC, also showed controlled flight into the water, but it’s been a number of years since the accident report was published.


  145. The Osprey
    148 | June 20, 2013 12:25 am

    There are two “it was a missile hit” conspiracy theories I have heard with regards to Flight 800.

    First is that the Iranians did it, as revenge for the Iranian airliner that was accidentally shot down by the USS Vincennes during the Iran-Iraq war. According to this theory, and IRGC cell was sent to Long Island where they acquired a motor yacht of some sort. The used this motor yacht to rendezvous with an Iranian diesel electric sub off the coast, which delivered to them a MANPAD. Then several days or weeks later they fired the MANPAD at TWA800 from that motor launch, and then scuttled it, and were either picked up by the sub or came ashore with a dinghy.

    The other is that an AlQaeda cell acquired a bizjet of some sort, packed it full of explosives and were going to ram TWA800. US intelligence found out about the plot, and attempted to shoot down the bizjet with a radar guided SAM fired from a destroyer off the coast of Long Island, which missed the terrorist bizjet and hit Flight 800 instead.

    There were a number of books published right after 9-11 with theories about Flight 800 being a terrorist attack, can’t remember the titles though.


  146. lobo91
    149 | June 20, 2013 12:25 am

    @ AZfederalist:

    Something was going wrong and the control system applied the wrong inputs making the problem even worse which made the control system apply even more wrong inputs making the problem even worse until it became uncontrollable.

    Pretty much the same thing that caused that B-2 to crash in Guam. Moisture in the sensors caused the computer to decide that the nose was too low, so it kept pulling up until it stalled and fell back onto the runway.


  147. Bordm
    150 | June 20, 2013 1:08 am

    @ lobo91:
    Never heard the one about the ‘missing’ screws before….

    Factoid: The Mannlicher-Carcano was inaccurate.

    Ronald Simmons, of the Army’s Ballistics Research Laboratory, bench tested Oswald’s rifle for the Warren Commission, and found the dispersion to be .29 mils — a figure typical for high-powered rifles — and described it as “quite accurate” (3H442-443).

    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/firearms.htm

    PS. I saw JFK that morning, his motorcade was on its way to Carswell AFB after the breakfast in Fort Worth. I spent a bit of time over the years studying the subject. My final conclusion, Oswald did it, all by himself.


  148. lobo91
    151 | June 20, 2013 1:23 am

    @ Bordm:

    We’ll never know, of course.

    But I don’t buy it. Oswald didn’t have the skill to do it.


  149. Bordm
    152 | June 20, 2013 1:57 am

    @ lobo91:

    Right, we’ll never really know for sure.

    There are times where luck supersedes skill. As for me, it was only after I spent time studying Oswald, his actions and the interviews with those who knew him, that convinced me…. If he didn’t do it, it wasn’t for lack of trying.

    I realize I won’t change any minds, not really trying to.

    I was also in Austin when Charles Whitman did his dirty deeds in ’66….


  150. Guggi
    153 | June 20, 2013 2:14 am

    Did you know that:

    O. is the best speaker the world has ever seen ?

    O. is the best looking US-president ever and one of the best looking man of the U.S.A. ?

    M. is the most beautiful woman on earth ?

    M. Looks like an angel ?

    The presidential couple is the greatest couple since Romeo and Juliet ?

    O. is a deity and the most intelligent politician the world has ever seen ?

    O. is a visionary ?

    —————-

    This is what the MSM, even the public one (ARD), hammered out for 26 hours. Even “auality medias” like “Der Spiegel” made fools of them.

    It was so disgusting that the FAZ (Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung wrote, it did hurt democracy and that it was as worse as during the reign of Wilhelm II before WWI. I’ve never seen this before.

    On the other side: 95+ percent of the user comments in medias like “Der Spiegel”, “Die Zeit”, ARD etc. were negative and very negative respectively.


  151. Guggi
    154 | June 20, 2013 2:15 am

    Guggi wrote:

    “auality medias”

    quality medias”


  152. 155 | June 20, 2013 7:47 am

    As I said yesterday, this lets you know whose side the gun controllers are really on. I have also seen them call people who are killed with guns in self-defense “victims of gun violence”. Because, you know, it is much better that they get away with whatever crime they were comitting. Like, murder and shit… :roll:


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