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Hezbollah’s war with al-Nusra and FSA is eroding its capabilities; 12 Lebanese soldiers killed in clashes with Sunnis

by Rodan ( 110 Comments › )
Filed under Al Qaeda, Hezballah, Islamists, Lebanon, Muslim Brotherhood, Sharia (Islamic Law), Syria at June 24th, 2013 - 7:00 am

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The war in Syria is bleeding Hezbollah’s military capabilities. It has reportedly lost between 500-1000 fighters, many of whom were their elite units. Most of the loses have been done by the Al Qaeda linked Al Nusra Front, who are using Hezbollah’s tactics against them. As the war progresses, Hezbollah will be faced with a dilemma. It has a smaller recruiting pool than Nusra or the FSA, whom can call upon not just Syrian Sunnis, but throughout the Islamic world. The war has also shattered Hezbollah’s image in the Arab world and in many cases, they are now hated more than the Israelis.

Hezbollah’s large-scale involvement in Syria is eroding its military resources, though the extent of the damage it is incurring remains a closely guarded secret.

The Lebanese terrorist organization’s Shi’ite fighters, who were deployed to Syria to fight on behalf of Syrian President Bashar Assad at Iran’s orders, tipped the balance in favor of Assad at the battle of Qusair in recent weeks. But Israeli security analysts said on Sunday the victory came at a heavy price for Hezbollah that is set to rise the longer the organization remains engaged in Syria.

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It is likely that Hezbollah sent some of its quality units based in south Lebanon, originally designated for combat with the IDF, to the battlefields of Syria, Schweitzer said. “They’re suffering casualties as they fight irregular bands of rebels.”

In Syria, Hezbollah is struggling to deal with the same tactics it itself employed in the past against the IDF. A report in The Lebanese Daily Star published last month quoted one Hezbollah fighter as saying that the tactics of the jihadi Jabhat Al-Nusra Front in Syria had “a kind of irritating familiarity.”

This conflict is a god send to the Non Islamic world. May these terrorists continue to kill each other and leave us alone.

UPDATE- by Speranza

12 Lebanese soldiers killed in clashes with Sunnis

Lebanese soldiers fought Sunni Muslim gunmen in the southern city of Sidon on Monday in one of the deadliest outbreaks of violence fueled by sectarian divisions over the civil war in neighboring Syria.

The army said 12 soldiers had been killed in clashes which broke out on Sunday after security forces detained a follower of the hardline Sunni Muslim cleric Sheikh Ahmed al-Assir. His supporters retaliated by opening fire on an army checkpoint.

Security sources put the army death toll at 15, with 60 wounded. They said at least two gunmen were also killed in the clashes but soldiers were surrounding the mosque where Assir’s supporters were based, making it difficult to verify details.

The mosque showed signs of heavy damage from 24 hours of ferocious exchanges of rocket and gunfire.

Sidon had been on edge since violence erupted last week between Sunni and Shi’ite Muslim fighters, at odds over the Syrian conflict which pits mainly Sunni rebels against President Bashar Assad, an Alawite from an offshoot of Shi’ite Islam.

Tensions escalated further when the Lebanese Shi’ite militant group Hezbollah sent fighters into Syria to lead the recapture of a strategic border town by Assad’s forces.

“The army has tried for months to keep Lebanon away from the problems of Syria, and it ignored repeated requests for it to clamp down on Sheikh Ahmed al-Assir’s group,” the military command said in a statement on Sunday.

“But what has happened today has gone beyond all expectations. The army was attacked in cold blood in an attempt to light the fuse in Sidon, just as was done in 1975,” it said, referring to the year that Lebanon’s own civil war began.

Assir, whose supporters accuse the army of giving cover to Hezbollah gunmen, called for people across the country to join him and demanded that “honorable” soldiers defect.

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  1. 1 | June 24, 2013 7:24 am

    I guess the Hezbos are no longer seen as chanting The Muslim National Anthem™ the correct way!


  2. MikeA
    2 | June 24, 2013 7:41 am

    So Sunni’s and Shia are killing each other in whole-sale lots. What I wonder is how are the jews involved. It has to be their fault in some way. I mean, thats all I have ever heard. All the problems in the middle east would go away if the jews were gone.


  3. 3 | June 24, 2013 8:28 am

    A really good Gang of Eight question:

    One of the regular arguments that we’re constantly told is that if the GOP would only support the amnesty Immigration Bill it will solve our problems with Latinos or at least be the first step in solving said problems.

    Here in Massachusetts we have a perfect test of this hypothesis.

    Gabriel Gomez is the GOP candidate for the US senate, he has from day 1 made it no secret of his support for the gang of eight and has bluntly said he would be a GOP vote for said bill if elected.

    He ran on this and won in a 3 way GOP primary not only winning but drawing over 50% of the vote.

    His Opponent is Ed Markey a career pol who has voted in lockstep with his party 99% over a 36 year career. He is a hack with a 36 year record behind him he has spent all his time and effort attacking his opponent who has done nothing with his life but become a Navy Flyer, a Navy seal and a successful businessman.

    Now given that Gomez is not only a supporter of the Gang of Eight Bill but a latino supporter of the gang of eight bill one might assume that he would resonate with voters in general and Latino voters in particular.

    Markey, the Malden Democrat, leads Gomez by 56 to 36 percent among likely voters and a 53-32 percent advantage among all registered voters in the poll.The one bright spot for the ex-Navy SEAL is that his best night of polling came this Wednesday, after his final debate performance against Markey. He trailed in that night’s sample by 13 points, indicating Gomez gained steam from the televised showdown.

    Now maybe this poll is off, after all Scott Brown was down big in polls before is win in 2010 but you would think that the numbers would look a bit better. And let me remind you of this

    not everyone sees him as a Hispanic trailblazer. The Boston Spanish-language newspaper El Planeta ran a column wondering if Gomez is a “LINO” (Latino In Name Only).

    It’s bad enough that La Planeta raised this question — and worse that its answer was “yes.”

    Litmus tests for ethnicity serve no purpose besides dividing our community. They are pointless, unnecessary and borderline offensive. Yet as more Hispanic candidates join the political arena, these questions seem to be the new norm.

    Litmus test for ethnicity the new Norm??

    So let me get this straight, you have Gabriel Gomez who has a life full of achievement as a Navy Flyer, Navy Seal and businessman, who won a GOP primary with over 50% proclaiming loudly and publicly his support of the efforts of the gang of 8, and the reaction is to Question if he passes a litmus test for being Latino?

    If this is how an actual Latino, a son of Columbian immigrants, a person to who English was the second language he learned what makes who supports the gang of 8 bill is treated can someone explain to me why anyone would assume Latinos will even give a hearing to the GOP if they support this bill?

    Sorry for the lengthy quote, but I wanted to get the full flavor fo r this. It seems simple to me: if Latino s were goin gto support the GOP over Amnesty, they’d be supporting Gabrial Gomez. They aren’t. They are supporting the Democrat. Why would those brought in by the Amnesty be any different? Amnesty seems to be demographic suicide for the GOP. At best. Immigration as a whole is one of the voters’ least pressing problems. I’d think the GOP could score more points by, I dunno, pushing for things that grow jobs and the economy like voters want. But that would require the GOP to want to win. I don’t see any evdence of that, and so we get the Gang of Eight proposal goingto pass the Senate by a sizable margin. Way to go guys. The Republic is crumbling, so you take a jack-hammer to the foundations.


  4. huckfunn
    4 | June 24, 2013 9:29 am

    The civil war in Syria has become a religious war between the shiites and sunnis. The U.S. getting involved in a civil war is a terrible idea. Getting involved in a religious war is totally nuts. Sarah Palin is right. Let allah sort it out.


  5. 5 | June 24, 2013 9:34 am

    @ huckfunn:

    I imagine that uring the American Civil War there wee those in Britain, Southern PArtisans, who said that Britain would be passed by in international relations if she didn’t involve herself in AAmerica’s Civil War, but it is a point of historical fact that she didn’t, and that when seh didn’t nothing untoward happened to her as a result. I think much the same thing can be said for Syria’s civil war. There really is nothing on either side for us. Our national interests would best be served by leaving this mess in the Russian’s hands. Let them get dirty in it if they so choose. It is no skin off our nose if Assad stays or falls.


  6. eaglesoars
    6 | June 24, 2013 9:35 am

    So how many fighters is Hezbollah thought to have? I need to get a sense of scale here


  7. huckfunn
    7 | June 24, 2013 9:40 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    While sunnis and shiites are killing each other, they’ll have less time and resources for killing Americans. Aloha Snackbar!


  8. 8 | June 24, 2013 9:41 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Apparently enough to garrison Southern Lebanon against the Israelis. I don’ tknow that I’ve ever seen actual numbers, though. Several thousand, though, I’d say. How many of those, though, can they break away from garrison duty in Lebanon and still hold on to that State? That is an interesting question. How much real support does Hezbollah have in Southern Lebanon? They could pull their troops out of Lebanon and into Syria, and lose both places. Wouldn’t that be an interesting development?


  9. huckfunn
    9 | June 24, 2013 9:45 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    So how many fighters is Hezbollah thought to have? I need to get a sense of scale here

    I saw something the other day that the Hez-bos have sent 10,000. But jihadis from Egypt are going to Syria by the thousands. Jihadis from other muzz nations are flooding into Syria depending on their shi-sunni affiliations. Giddyup.


  10. 10 | June 24, 2013 9:45 am

    @ huckfunn:

    As long as we don’t get involved. I have nightmares about Obama sending Americans as “Peacekeepers” to Syria. They’d just become targets of oppertunity for both sides. For once, I think Hussein is doing the right thing in keeping us on the sideliines, though I don’t like him letting John McCain getting him to arm the so-called “Rebels”. No good can come of our arming al Qaeda in Syria. Though I am interested to know if he is going to require al Qaeda in Sria to go through a background check before he gives them machineguns:roll:


  11. eaglesoars
    11 | June 24, 2013 9:45 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Wouldn’t that be an interesting development?

    That’s why I asked. Lebanon could be overrun -- creating a nice little refugee problem. Where would they go? Egypt? Jordan?


  12. eaglesoars
    12 | June 24, 2013 9:47 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I have nightmares about Obama sending Americans as “Peacekeepers” to Syria.

    Using Samantha Powers’ ‘Responsibility to Protect” theory, no doubt.


  13. 13 | June 24, 2013 9:51 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    IIRC, during the last lebanese civil war they didn’t go much of anywhere. I don’t recall any big refugee problem or humanitarian crisis. I guess they couldn’t run to Syria. Possibly Turkey? I’d like to see Hezbollah kicked out of Southern Lebanon. The Israelis could do it, but they may figure discression is he better part of valor here, and sit back and watch their enemies implode. Hitting the Hezzies while they are busy fighting for Assad is tempting, though. I guess the Israeli high command will be watching this intently. Of course, you know Obama would be against hurtin gthe good Muslims. I don’t think Obama would come out for Hezbollah over Israel, though. The optics of that are just too bad.


  14. 14 | June 24, 2013 9:54 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Of course, you know Obama would be against hurtin gthe good Muslims.

    That’s because the good Muslims are already dead.


  15. eaglesoars
    15 | June 24, 2013 9:57 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Hitting the Hezzies while they are busy fighting for Assad is tempting, though.

    Give ‘em a 2-front war, I know. BUT, say they wipe out Hezzies in Lebanon -- then it WOULD be overrun. So, I’d say the Lebanon Hezzies are acting as a sort of guard.


  16. 16 | June 24, 2013 9:57 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Using Samantha Powers’ ‘Responsibility to Protect” theory, no doubt.

    No doubt. That worked out so well in Libya, after all, that Samantha Powers got a promotion. Along with Susan the Video Did It Rice. That was a big fuck you to congress, and the Dems in Congress took it just like I’d expect them to. But it is their responsibility for oversight, too. The Republicans need to come out hitting hard that the Lawless Obama Administration is ducking legitimate oversight with the collusion of the Dems in Congress. Politics is War, not beanbag. We can’t seem to wake the Republicans up to that fact.


  17. 17 | June 24, 2013 9:59 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    WHo’d do the overrunning in Lebanon if the Hezzies were gone? It seems to me Southern Lebanon has been overrun by Hezbollah. Get rid of them, and Southern Lebanon might be overran by Lebanese. That might notbe a bad thing.


  18. eaglesoars
    18 | June 24, 2013 10:02 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    WHo’d do the overrunning in Lebanon if the Hezzies were gone?

    I was thinking of al-Nusra


  19. 19 | June 24, 2013 10:04 am

    The Supreme Court is handing down decisions today. No word on whether they’ll had down the Big Three today or whether they’ll wait until Thursday. They say the Supremes don’t play politics with the decisions for ratings, but I’m not sure I believe that.


  20. 20 | June 24, 2013 10:06 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    They are having a difficult time overrunning Syria right now. I guess if they won in Syria and they decimated the Hezzies in the process that would be possible. It sounds plausible enough to be yet another good reason for us not to back al Nusra. I don’t think they’ll be able to win in Syria without us. Not with the Russians backing Assad.


  21. eaglesoars
    21 | June 24, 2013 10:10 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I don’t think they’ll be able to win in Syria without us. Not with the Russians backing Assad.

    point taken.

    must get my day started. But wanted to say that Steve Doocey got off a good line this morning that made me laugh.

    “Wait till Snowden finds out there’s no wi-fi in Ecuador”

    HA!!

    see yinz later


  22. yenta-fada
    22 | June 24, 2013 10:11 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    IIRC, during the last lebanese civil war they didn’t go much of anywhere. I don’t recall any big refugee problem or humanitarian crisis. I guess they couldn’t run to Syria. Possibly Turkey? I’d like to see Hezbollah kicked out of Southern Lebanon. The Israelis could do it, but they may figure discression is he better part of valor here, and sit back and watch their enemies implode. Hitting the Hezzies while they are busy fighting for Assad is tempting, though. I guess the Israeli high command will be watching this intently. Of course, you know Obama would be against hurtin gthe good Muslims. I don’t think Obama would come out for Hezbollah over Israel, though. The optics of that are just too bad.

    Many ‘Canadians’ are Hezbollah supporters. They live there and rely on benefits with their citizenship of convenience. During ‘Operation Cast Lead’, the Federal govt actually PAID the airfare for these faux Canadians to come here in droves. I expect the U.S. and Canada will be press ganged into taking a mass of Syrian refugees. I listened to a ‘nutjob’ on youtube say that the implementation of Sharia Law would help to destroy the Constitution. Tinfoil futures./


  23. Speranza
    23 | June 24, 2013 10:11 am

    This Syrian Civil War is a blessing.


  24. Speranza
    24 | June 24, 2013 10:11 am

    Check the update.


  25. yenta-fada
    25 | June 24, 2013 10:13 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Oops. Just missed ya.


  26. yenta-fada
    26 | June 24, 2013 10:17 am

    Speranza wrote:

    This Syrian Civil War is a blessing.

    The world suddenly notices that Muslim infighting can actually take place without Joooooz. I’m loving the culling of the hate-herd. All of this is so dangerous for Israel due to proximity. Add in all the motivated Egyptian jihadis and it is getting far too ‘interesting’ in the neighborhood.


  27. 27 | June 24, 2013 10:17 am

    @ Speranza:

    The mosque showed signs of heavy damage from 24 hours of ferocious exchanges of rocket and gunfire.

    You know, when we invaded Iraq, we took casualties because we didn’t want to give offense by firing on mosques, but it is pretty clear from the way Mohammedans behave that such offense would only have been because we were infidels firing on “good Muslims’, and that was going ot be the case no matter where we fired on the terrorists. It should be clear after 11 years of fighting that Muslims support terrorists, almost across the board. Islam may not be de facto terrorism, but it is the next thing to it. Knowing someone is a Muslim means you know that they support terrorism. You just may not know what flavor of terrorist they support.


  28. yenta-fada
    28 | June 24, 2013 10:19 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Check the update.

    Did you read about the Syria-bound weapons that sank at sea?


  29. yenta-fada
    29 | June 24, 2013 10:21 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I still don’t think that the masses of people, including politicians and policy makers, have a grasp of the nature of Islam. It’s hard for the Western mind to even contemplate.


  30. yenta-fada
    30 | June 24, 2013 10:22 am

    Very sore today. Have to go lie down.


  31. 31 | June 24, 2013 10:23 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    It really is no different than Nazism. It is the same racial hatred and anti-Semitism coupled with a hearty dse of hatred for Western Civilization that the Nazis didn’t exactly have. It is an anti-human ideology, though, in both cases. It isn’t particularly alien, though. Leftists believe most of the same things, right down to the anti-Semitisma nd hatred for all things western.


  32. 32 | June 24, 2013 10:25 am

    Fischer doesn’t overrule Grutter, but apparently only because:

    Amy Howe:
    The majority seems to reaffirm that diversity is a compelling interest if only because that rule was not challenged by the plaintiffs in the case.

    We still don’t live in a colorblind society, though.


  33. 33 | June 24, 2013 10:27 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    10,000 regular fighters and 20,000 reservists. Hezbollah has called up their reserves and stationed them in Southern Lebanon. From what I have read, Hezbollah has about 15,000 in Syria, about half their forces.


  34. 34 | June 24, 2013 10:30 am

    @ Rodan:

    So even if their comittment in Syria were caught out and destroyed in detail they’d have about an equal number of fighters to hold Southern Lebanon. I don’t see al Nusra catching and killing 15,000 in Syria. al Nusra is basically a bandit gang made somewhat good. I don’t think long-term they have a prayer against Assad. Not as long as the Russians are backing him.


  35. yenta-fada
    35 | June 24, 2013 10:31 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    It really is no different than Nazism. It is the same racial hatred and anti-Semitism coupled with a hearty dse of hatred for Western Civilization that the Nazis didn’t exactly have. It is an anti-human ideology, though, in both cases. It isn’t particularly alien, though. Leftists believe most of the same things, right down to the anti-Semitisma nd hatred for all things western.

    That RT station (Russia today) is straight from the KGB with a vast audience. They constantly interview anti American Americans. There’s no shortage… It’s insane.


  36. 36 | June 24, 2013 10:33 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Saudis, Turks and Qataris have supplied the FSA and Nusra with new anti-tank weapons. Over the weekend, they decimated Assad’s Armor near Aleppo and have taken another neighborhood there from Assad/Hezbollah.

    The weapon they have received is the Konkurs.


  37. yenta-fada
    37 | June 24, 2013 10:33 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    10,000 regular fighters and 20,000 reservists. Hezbollah has called up their reserves and stationed them in Southern Lebanon. From what I have read, Hezbollah has about 15,000 in Syria, about half their forces.

    That’s interesting. Taking out 10 at a time isn’t going to do the job.


  38. yenta-fada
    38 | June 24, 2013 10:36 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Re Nazis: Germany imposes food labels on Israeli goods. The Germans?!

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/06/10/Germany-Uses-Special-Label-To-Target-Israeli-Products


  39. 39 | June 24, 2013 10:38 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Al Nusra are more than bandits. The Hezzies claim they Nusra fighters are disciplined and tough fighters.

    As for them defeating Assad, on their own they have seized part of Syria. They control the whole Eastern part of the country. Now armed with the Konkurs, they are a menace.

    Assad has had to bring in Hezbollah, Iranian Basij, IRG and Iraqi Shia to bolster his forces. This is a war of attrition and the Sunnis have the numbers. The Russians are just buying for time.

    Personally, I think Syria will collapse as a state, With Assad having the Alawite part, thE Kurds their part, the Druze their part and the Sunnis split between al-Nusra and the FSA.


  40. 40 | June 24, 2013 10:42 am

    @ Rodan:

    A long Syrian civil war is good for us, though. If Syria collapses and becomes a failed state, that’ll take pressure off of Israel from the North/Northeast. If Hezbollah is tied down in sectarian warfare in Syria, they are less likely to get froggy with the Israelis in Southern Lebanon. I’d say this is all to the good for the US and our allies. mcCain is nuts to want to get the US involved directly in this. I think he is deliberately working against US interests.


  41. 41 | June 24, 2013 10:43 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    I saw that. Germany will always go back to her roots. Anti-Semitism didn’t take root in Germany because of Nazism. Nazism took root in Germany because of anti-Semitism.


  42. 42 | June 24, 2013 10:43 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    Nope, But I love seeing weeping Lebanese Shia crying.


  43. 43 | June 24, 2013 10:45 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Plus as you see things are stirring in Lebanon. There have been IED attacks against the Hezzies. Lebanon is going to blow big time. Ironically, the Lebanese Christians will be allied with Al Qaeda. Many of them are funding Al Nusra.


  44. 44 | June 24, 2013 10:48 am

    That picture makes me :)


  45. yenta-fada
    45 | June 24, 2013 10:50 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Nope, But I love seeing weeping Lebanese Shia crying.

    Why do Muslim men cry so readily? I’ve seen Erdogan on youtube breaking into tears over the poor Paleos. They are really frozen in early childhood psychologically.


  46. 46 | June 24, 2013 10:50 am

    John Kerry stamps his little foot over Sn
    Sowden:

    New Delhi -- US Secretary of State John Kerry warned on Monday of consequences to ties with Moscow and Beijing over an intelligence leaker’s flight from Hong Kong to Russia, saying it was “deeply troubling” if requests for his extradition had been ignored.

    Speaking on a visit to New Delhi, Kerry insisted that Edward Snowden, who is the target of an American arrest warrant after he leaked details of massive US cyber-espionage programmes, had betrayed his country and should have to face the consequences.

    Snowden is expected to fly out of Moscow later on Monday to seek asylum in Ecuador after being allowed to board a flight in the Chinese territory of Hong Kong on Sunday which took him to the Russian capital.

    Asked about the diplomatic consequences of Snowden’s departure, Kerry said it would be “very disappointing” if it were found that he was “wilfully allowed to board an aircraft”.

    “As a result there would be without any question some effect and impact on the relationship and consequences,” said the top US diplomat.

    “With respect to the China, Russia relationship and where this puts us, it would be deeply troubling obviously if they have adequate notice and, not withstanding that, they made a decision wilfully to ignore that and not live by the standards of the law,” Kerry added.

    Kerry is “deeply troubled”, and Obama’s “reset” with Russia looks like a complete and utter failure. No one take sObama (or Kerry) seriously any more. They’ve become laughingstocks of the world.


  47. yenta-fada
    47 | June 24, 2013 10:52 am

    mskelly wrote:

    That picture makes me

    The world should start passing out candy in the street the way the Paleos do when Westerners are killed. :-)


  48. RIX
    48 | June 24, 2013 10:54 am

    Speaking on a visit to New Delhi, Kerry insisted that Edward Snowden, who is the target of an American arrest warrant after he leaked details of massive US cyber-espionage programmes, had betrayed his country and should have to face the consequences.

    @ Iron Fist:

    Could Kerry actually miss the irony of he
    accusing anybody of a betrayal of his country?


  49. 49 | June 24, 2013 10:56 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    They are cowards. Al Nusra propaganda videos show Hezzie supporters crying. Its hysterical.


  50. yenta-fada
    50 | June 24, 2013 10:56 am

    RIX wrote:

    Speaking on a visit to New Delhi, Kerry insisted that Edward Snowden, who is the target of an American arrest warrant after he leaked details of massive US cyber-espionage programmes, had betrayed his country and should have to face the consequences.
    @ Iron Fist:
    Could Kerry actually miss the irony of he
    accusing anybody of a betrayal of his country?

    Yes.


  51. 51 | June 24, 2013 10:56 am

    Here is the situation in Aleppo. Thanks to the Konkurs, they have surrounded Assad and the Hezzies.


  52. huckfunn
    52 | June 24, 2013 10:57 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Kerry is “deeply troubled”, and Obama’s “reset” with Russia looks like a complete and utter failure. No one take sObama (or Kerry) seriously any more. They’ve become laughingstocks of the world.

    RIX wrote:

    Could Kerry actually miss the irony of he
    accusing anybody of a betrayal of his country?

    Everyone’s making such a big stink about Snowden, but the real traitors are Obama, Holder, Clapper, Brennan, H. Clinton and the IRS rats who lied to Congress after they subverted the U.S. Constitution.


  53. 53 | June 24, 2013 11:01 am

    @ RIX:

    Kerry is irony-challenged. I’m sure that he accuses Snowden of betraying his country with a clean conscience. It is as though he never betrayed his country in Paris and on Capitol Hill. That Kerry is well-thought of in Democrat circles tells you all you need to know about Democrats. They truly are the scum of the earth. It is easy to see why they want to back al Qaeda in Syria.


  54. 54 | June 24, 2013 11:02 am

    Nusra Fighters with SA-7 Manpads.

    The Saudis and Turks are flooding the rebels with weapons the last 2 weeks.


  55. Speranza
    55 | June 24, 2013 11:03 am

    yenta-fada wrote:

    The world suddenly notices that Muslim infighting can actually take place without Joooooz. I’m loving the culling of the hate-herd. All of this is so dangerous for Israel due to proximity. Add in all the motivated Egyptian jihadis and it is getting far too ‘interesting’ in the neighborhood.

    “Eternal vigilance” needs to be Israel’s motto.


  56. 56 | June 24, 2013 11:03 am

    @ huckfunn:

    Clapper lied to the AMerican people. Snowden did not. That was Rand Paul’s take on it, and I can’t see any flaws in that logic. As I’ve been saying, they weren’t spying on the American people to catch terrorists. If they had been, they would have easily caught Nidal Hasan and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. They weren’t looking for Islamic terrorists. They were looking for, and suppresssing, Tea Party voters. Clapper should go to prison for his betrayal of this country.


  57. 57 | June 24, 2013 11:05 am

    @ Rodan:

    And what are the odds that some of these MANPADS will find their way to the West to bring down commercial airlines? The wisdom of supplying anti-aircraft capability to al Qaeda elludes me.


  58. 58 | June 24, 2013 11:06 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    It gets worse, there are rumors the Saudis are sending 100 tanks to the rebels.


  59. RIX
    59 | June 24, 2013 11:07 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Kerry is irony-challenged. I’m sure that he accuses Snowden of betraying his country with a clean conscience. It is as though he never betrayed his country in Paris and on Capitol Hill. That Kerry is well-thought of in Democrat circles tells you all you need to know about Democrats. They truly are the scum of the earth. It is easy to see why they want to back al Qaeda in Syria.

    The fact that Kerry was never prosecuted is mind boggling.
    By all accounts he was still a Naval Reservist when he
    was running over to Paris to collaborate with the North
    Vietnamese and VC delegations.


  60. Speranza
    60 | June 24, 2013 11:08 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    You know, when we invaded Iraq, we took casualties because we didn’t want to give offense by firing on mosques

    Thankfully Israel has let the Hamas/Islamic Jihad Nazis know that Mosques are definitely not off limits.


  61. Speranza
    61 | June 24, 2013 11:09 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    It gets worse, there are rumors the Saudis are sending 100 tanks to the rebels.

    Good, now they can kill plenty more Iranians/Syrians/Hezbollah killers while taking casualties themselves.


  62. 62 | June 24, 2013 11:09 am

    More on the Supreme Court decision on Affirmative Action. They appear to have simply ruled that the lower court failed to apply strict scrutiney to the claims that racial discrimination was necessary to achieve “diversity”, and handed the decision back to the lower court with the instructions to do so. It is hard to see how racial discrimination survives strict scrutiney. They didn’t specifically overrule the earlier case (Grutter), because no one asked that they do so. I’d call it a qualified win for Conservatism, and it iwas a 7-1 decision.


  63. huckfunn
    63 | June 24, 2013 11:09 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Clapper lied to the AMerican people. Snowden did not. That was Rand Paul’s take on it, and I can’t see any flaws in that logic. As I’ve been saying, they weren’t spying on the American people to catch terrorists. If they had been, they would have easily caught Nidal Hasan and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. They weren’t looking for Islamic terrorists. They were looking for, and suppresssing, Tea Party voters. Clapper should go to prison for his betrayal of this country.

    Exactly. Also, here’s a brain-teaser. Why didn’t the Snake Department cancel Snowden’s passport when they first knew that he had fleux de coupe, which was actually a week or so before Snowden went public. Maybe they don’t want him back.


  64. yenta-fada
    64 | June 24, 2013 11:13 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I think Rand Paul is an ‘Outlier’. I’m glad that he gets a fair amount of exposure. I hope he has bodyguards.
    As for Clapper et al, they are getting away with everything so far. There’s no accountability.


  65. 65 | June 24, 2013 11:14 am

    @ Rodan:

    100 tanks versus how many do the Syrians have? It is a drop in the bucket. And all the tanks in the world are useless without a tank warfare strategy that works. Al Nusra doesn’t look to think strategically, which is a common failing of Muslim armies. Assad may not be much better, but he has Russian advisors. Russian tactics work when facing a numerically inferior forces.


  66. yenta-fada
    66 | June 24, 2013 11:16 am

    Speranza wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    The world suddenly notices that Muslim infighting can actually take place without Joooooz. I’m loving the culling of the hate-herd. All of this is so dangerous for Israel due to proximity. Add in all the motivated Egyptian jihadis and it is getting far too ‘interesting’ in the neighborhood.
    “Eternal vigilance” needs to be Israel’s motto.

    Same old, same old.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-McYspe4ZOpY/UcXzNlPL37I/AAAAAAABZfo/48k23P-zF_E/s1600/Abba+Eban+on+the+UN.jpg


  67. 67 | June 24, 2013 11:17 am

    @ Speranza:

    Captured Hezzie fighters paraded by Nusra.


  68. lobo91
    68 | June 24, 2013 11:19 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Meanwhile in my home:

    Colorado Court Rules “Transgender” First-Grader Has Right To Use Girls’ Bathroom…

    I’m starting to think that it’s time for a “rebel” movement to take control of Colorado back from the lunatics.


  69. 69 | June 24, 2013 11:20 am

    yenta-fada wrote:

    As for Clapper et al, they are getting away with everything so far. There’s no accountability.

    Exactly. How can you condemn Snowden when the system is as broken as it is? Something had to be done to bring the serial violations of the Fourth Amendment by the NSA et al to light. Could Snowden have done it in a different manner? Perhaps, but perhaps not. Congressional oversight is apparently useless. They hear the words “National Security” ad automatically approve without thought. No one in congress is asking the most pertinant question, though. With all this magic surveillance, how did Nidal Hasan and Tamerlan Tsarnaev slip through? Nidal Hasan practically signed his emails “Islamic Jihadi”, and Tamerlan Tsarnaev was given to us by the Russians. How could these two have possibly slipped through? The only answer I can come up with is that our vaunted Surveillance State isn’t looking for Islamic Jihadists, but is, instead, looking for Tea PArty voters. This should be the headline in every paper, and should be the question on every Senators’ lips. I don’t expect the Republicans will ask it, though. Wouldn’t be collegial *spit*


  70. 70 | June 24, 2013 11:21 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I doubt the Tank rumors are true. The Konkurs are doing damage and tanks are not needed.


  71. lobo91
    71 | June 24, 2013 11:21 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    They aren’t going to use them in traditional tank warfare, though. They’ll use them as mobile pillboxes.


  72. 72 | June 24, 2013 11:22 am

    @ lobo91:

    You have to feel sorry for the kid. As far as I’m concerned, a “transgendered” First grader is being sexually abused by his parents, who are moree concerned with scoring Leftist points than they are their child’s welfare. A first grader doesn’t know what “transgendered” is.


  73. lobo91
    73 | June 24, 2013 11:23 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    I doubt the Tank rumors are true. The Konkurs are doing damage and tanks are not needed.

    I’m not even sure how the Saudis would get 100 tanks to Syria in the first place.


  74. 74 | June 24, 2013 11:25 am

    10 Hezzies and Assad supporters executed by al Nusra.


  75. lobo91
    75 | June 24, 2013 11:25 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    A first grader doesn’t know what “transgendered” is.

    No kidding.


  76. 76 | June 24, 2013 11:26 am

    @ lobo91:

    They have som etactical use like that, but I am not seeing any strategic thinking out of al Nusra. They take a neighborhood from Assad, he takes it back, and in the process they lose 15-20 people. Ultimately, Assad will win that kind of war. Assad has his support from the Alawite community, and I think that (plus the support for the Russians) will carry him through. This level of warfare could go on indefinately, but that doesn’t really challenge Assads rule. As long as Assad has the backing of the Russians and enough of the people to fill his conscript armies, I don’t think he’s going anywhere.


  77. 77 | June 24, 2013 11:26 am

    @ lobo91:

    Through Jordan, from what I read. But I call BS on it.


  78. yenta-fada
    78 | June 24, 2013 11:30 am

    Rodan wrote:

    10 Hezzies and Assad supporters executed by al Nusra.

    How do they recognize the bad guys from the other bad guys?/


  79. 79 | June 24, 2013 11:30 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Oh, and I bet the reason we haven’t seen Assad use gas in any big way is more because the Russians say they won’t back such a play than because of anything John Kerry has said. I’d say Assad pretty much filters out what he hears from Washington


  80. 80 | June 24, 2013 11:31 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    The Hezzies are using Yellow armbands or Bandanas. Many of them have Ali Hussein Tattoos. Assad’s forces just have Syrian Army Identification.


  81. 81 | June 24, 2013 11:31 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    The bad guys are wearing “bad guy” robes and screaming “Allahu Ackbar!” Kill all of those you see… 8O


  82. yenta-fada
    82 | June 24, 2013 11:31 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Through Jordan, from what I read. But I call BS on it.

    The Jordanians and the Paleos in Jordan must be nervous.


  83. Speranza
    83 | June 24, 2013 11:33 am

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Did you read about the Syria-bound weapons that sank at sea?

    No but that is great news. I blame the Joooos.


  84. Speranza
    84 | June 24, 2013 11:35 am

    @ Rodan:
    They are chanting “The Miami Heat are # 1!”.


  85. Speranza
    85 | June 24, 2013 11:36 am

    Rodan wrote:

    10 Hezzies and Assad supporters executed by al Nusra.

    That has got to hurt!


  86. 86 | June 24, 2013 11:38 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    If I were the King of Jordan, I’d be worried about all those AK 47s America was going to ship al Qaeda in Syria. An AK 47′s got no alliegance, and al Qaeda in Syria are a bunch of mad dogs. They’ll bite anybody they come across. I think that is our biggest legitimate worry here. This insurrection in Syria could spread to Jordan. A Palestinian Uprising in Jordan could get nasty. That is certainly no reason to help al Qaeda in Syria. Quite the opposite, really. Our best interests might be bestserved if Assad crushed al Qaeda in Syria decisively and quickly. That doesn’t look likely to happen, either. I think this thing will grind on as long as the Sunni Gulf States are willing to back al Qaeda, and as long as the Russians are willing to back Assad.


  87. yenta-fada
    87 | June 24, 2013 11:38 am

    Speranza wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    Did you read about the Syria-bound weapons that sank at sea?
    No but that is great news. I blame the Joooos.

    Sounds like a translation. MOL Comfort is the name of the ship.

    MOL Comfort (ex APL Russia) sank due to yet unclear reasons, sailing from Singapore to Jeddah and after that to North Europe, leaving behind hundreds of drifting containers and a huge aftershock hitting liner sector and all of the maritime industry.

    Even the scale of the consequences is hard, impossible, to estimate, not to mention consequences themselves. This is the 1st case in liner sector, when modern ocean-going liner container vessel (built in Japan!) sank in the ocean after breaking in 2 parts, like a poorly built and managed bulk carrier or over aged coaster. Nothing like this ever occurred, and no one believed it was possible, even theoretically.


  88. yenta-fada
    88 | June 24, 2013 11:39 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    The bad guys are wearing “bad guy” robes and screaming “Allahu Ackbar!” Kill all of those you see…

    Thanks, Sherlock. :-)


  89. yenta-fada
    89 | June 24, 2013 11:42 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Syria seems more like a proxy war the longer it goes on.


  90. 90 | June 24, 2013 11:42 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Hezzies have a different take on Nusra. They admit they are actually skilled and disciplined fighters.

    Those, like Mahdi, who have fought in Syria, acknowledge that the Syrian rebels have been capable fighters and that for the first time, Hezbollah is facing an enemy of the same ideological caliber and with the same kind of training.

    “One must say that they are very well trained and very well-equipped,” Mahdi said. “They own state-of-the-art sniper guns; this is how they’ve hunted down our fallen comrades.”

    [....]

    awad maintained that the rebel Free Syrian Army was “totally powerless,” arguing that the extremist Nusra Front was leading the fighting.

    “They [rebels] are powerful not only because they apparently have very good training and very sophisticated weaponry,” Jawad said, citing the brutality of Chechen fighters among the ranks of the Nusra Front.

    “Nusra is strong because [the fighters] are fearless. I can sense that from the way they launch raids against us,” Jawad continued. “It’s like they really don’t care if they die. They are ruthless and fearless.”

    Both Jawad and Mahdi confirmed that many of their comrades were killed in ambushes that were strikingly similar to tactics Hezbollah originally devised when it fought the Israeli army in south Lebanon during the occupation and later on during the 2006 summer war.


  91. Bumr50
    91 | June 24, 2013 11:42 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    Maybe they don’t want him back.

    The last thing that this administration wants is to ACTUALLY capture Snowden.

    They WILL, however, want to TALK a lot about it.

    The Leftist base would have kittens if they had him in custody.

    Which is why chasing Snowden is pointless, IMHO. (“FREE EDGAR SNOWJOB!”)

    Let’s figure out how to hold domestic intelligence gathering agencies feet to the fire in regards to when and how the information is gleaned and what’s done with it moving forward first.


  92. Da_Beerfreak
    92 | June 24, 2013 11:42 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    A long Syrian civil war is good for us, though. If Syria collapses and becomes a failed state, that’ll take pressure off of Israel from the North/Northeast. If Hezbollah is tied down in sectarian warfare in Syria, they are less likely to get froggy with the Israelis in Southern Lebanon. I’d say this is all to the good for the US and our allies. mcCain is nuts to want to get the US involved directly in this. I think he is deliberately working against US interests.

    McCain has a few loose screws and isn’t firing on all cylinders… :roll:


  93. 93 | June 24, 2013 11:44 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Saudis, Qataris and Turks are now flooding weapons. The Obama Regime announcement of arming the rebels, is a fig leaf to give cover to the Saudis, Qataris and Turks.


  94. 94 | June 24, 2013 11:44 am

    @ Rodan:

    Hezbollah isn’t exactly the best judge of character here. The Hezzies are a jumped-up street gang, after all, not a modern army.


  95. 95 | June 24, 2013 11:46 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    You’re right, these are Arabs we are talking about. A local armed American state militia can wipe the floor with either Hezzies or Nusra.


  96. 97 | June 24, 2013 11:48 am

    Gotta run, new thread at 12.


  97. 98 | June 24, 2013 11:50 am

    @ Rodan:

    Oh, there are lots of small arms in the area. That’s why, were I th eking of Jordan, I’d be concerned. Palestinians are restive and ungrateful a population as have ever existed. There was, IIRC, a Palestinian uprising in Jordan in the 1970s. IIRC they killed about 10,000 of them putting it down. Al Nusra hates Assad right now, but what they really want is a Sharia State like Afghanistan in the region as a power base. If Syria won’t fall, they might look to Jordan as an easier target. Jordan is what, 70-80%Palestinians. I’m more concerned about something happening there than I am what happens in Syria. Syria can burn on indefinately for all I care, but Jordan is an American ally.


  98. lobo91
    99 | June 24, 2013 11:50 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    Hezbollah isn’t exactly the best judge of character here. The Hezzies are a jumped-up street gang, after all, not a modern army.

    “Skilled and disciplined fighters” in this context means that they’re aware of the sights on their AK-47s, and even occasionally use them.


  99. 100 | June 24, 2013 11:50 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ yenta-fada:

    This is funny, Hamas says toppling Assad, not fighting Israel is the priority.

    A senior Hamas official in the West Bank is facing sharp criticism for stating that toppling the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad is more urgent than “jihad in Palestine.”

    Abdel Aziz Dweik, Speaker of the Hamas-dominated Palestinian Legislative Council [PLC], told the Arabic newspaper Echorouk, that keeping Assad’s regime in power was “tantamount to a stab in the heart and chest of the Palestinian cause.”


  100. 101 | June 24, 2013 11:52 am

    @ lobo91:

    It’s because those Catholics keep beheading people. Nothing good comes of beheadings… :roll:


  101. Lily
    102 | June 24, 2013 11:53 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    I saw that. Germany will always go back to her roots. Anti-Semitism didn’t take root in Germany because of Nazism. Nazism took root in Germany because of anti-Semitism.

    Yeah …that’s kinda why I cringed when Germany became whole again. They really don’t have a good track record concerning this. Oh well I guess we will see where this is going to go…again. Hopefully it will turn out different.


  102. lobo91
    103 | June 24, 2013 11:53 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    It’s because those Catholics keep beheading people. Nothing good comes of beheadings…

    If only it were true.

    I’d pay good money to watch Pelosi’s beheading.


  103. Lily
    104 | June 24, 2013 11:56 am

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Nope, But I love seeing weeping Lebanese Shia crying.

    Why do Muslim men cry so readily? I’ve seen Erdogan on youtube breaking into tears over the poor Paleos. They are really frozen in early childhood psychologically.

    They are Nancy’s at heart. Not really that tough but only think they are. They remind me of school yard bullies….when you hit them back they back off. They terrorize you with fear and that helps them control you with little effort because of fear but if you slap them they start to cry.


  104. Lily
    105 | June 24, 2013 12:01 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    Meanwhile in my home:

    Colorado Court Rules “Transgender” First-Grader Has Right To Use Girls’ Bathroom…

    I’m starting to think that it’s time for a “rebel” movement to take control of Colorado back from the lunatics.

    I saw that how in the world does a first grader become a transgender??? It boggles my mind.


  105. Speranza
    106 | June 24, 2013 12:01 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Re Nazis: Germany imposes food labels on Israeli goods. The Germans?!
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/06/10/Germany-Uses-Special-Label-To-Target-Israeli-Products

    Why don’t they just put Yellow Stars of David on them? They must have many still lying around.


  106. Lily
    107 | June 24, 2013 12:02 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    You have to feel sorry for the kid. As far as I’m concerned, a “transgendered” First grader is being sexually abused by his parents, who are moree concerned with scoring Leftist points than they are their child’s welfare. A first grader doesn’t know what “transgendered” is.

    BINGO!!!


  107. texasam7
    108 | June 24, 2013 2:08 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    And you just know that the President doesn’t mind if that jackass McCain takes the lead on this farce. Let MCCAIN wear the egg on his face when this whole mess blows up..


  108. 109 | June 24, 2013 2:31 pm

    @ texasam7:

    Oh, of course. McCain gives Obama cover from two different directions. He makes this a “bipartisan” effort, and he is the perfect scape-goat if and whne arming al Qaeda in Syria comes back to bite us in the ass. Because McCain! And th elow-info voters will eat it up. It lets Obama arm al Qaeda, which he wants to do, and blame Republicans, which he also wants to do. mcCain is either too stupid to see this or is complicit.


  109. 110 | June 24, 2013 9:22 pm

    They are taking losses but what happens to Hezbollah should Assad fall? Then they are truly most assuredly dead. I’m rooting for Al Qaeda here, Iran is a far bigger enemy to both us and Israel and a functioning Syria is a far greater danger than some failed Al Qaeda state. By all means let them bleed each other for as long as possible, maybe Syria’s Kurds can gain some autonomy from this, but in the long run if Assad falls that’s a huge win for us and a really big loss for Iran.


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