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Buyers remorse in Ohio – too little and too late

by Speranza ( 133 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Elections 2012, Elections 2016, Hillary Clinton, Politics at June 26th, 2013 - 3:00 pm

Any one who looked at Obama’s record from 2009 – 2102 and said “That was great, I’d like some more” deserves what they get. Too bad the smarter voters will suffer too. It is obvious that Ohio was bought off back in 2009 with the auto bailout. I’d bet you that if we could  have a “mulligan” on November 2012, Obama would still win Ohio and probably the country as well. After all he is still Black and the Republicans still have the idiot “consulting class”.

by Stephen Koff

WASHINGTON — Ohioans have soured on President Barack Obama less than a year after re-electing him to the White House, giving him their lowest voter-approval rating ever, according to a new Quinnipiac poll released this morning.

That swing includes independents and women.

“President Obama’s fortunes in the Buckeye state have turned,” said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. “Since last December he has lost 10 points among Democrats and 17 points among independent voters. He has gone from a 20-point approval margin among women to a 9-point disapproval margin among female voters.”

Ohio voters are still sizing up the potential field for 2016 but the presumptive Democratic front-runner today, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, would be in a deadlock with New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, a popular Republican, if the election were held today.

The election is a long way off, however, and opinions could swing widely before then. Coming up far sooner: a decision by Ohio’s legislature on whether to expand Medicaid, the federal-state program for insuring low-income Americans. The issue is contentious in the Statehouse, with Republicans distrustful that the federal government will maintain a high level of funding.  [........]

On gun control, a share of voters said that U.S. Sen. Rob Portman’s decision to vote against expanding gun-buyer background checks made them think less favorably of Portman. And Ohioans said by an overwhelming majority that they want to expand background checks for people buying at gun shows and on the Internet.

But there is a so-what factor to that, considering that the Republican senator’s overall job-approval rating went up by 4 percentage points since the last Quinnipiac poll, taken in April, before the gun vote.

Portman’s approval rating is close to that of U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown, a Democrat who has served statewide longer. But Portman’s disapproval rating is substantially lower than Brown’s, although a large share of Ohio voters — 30 percent — say they still don’t know enough about Portman, elected in 2010, to form an opinion.

The specifics:

President Obama’s job performance: 57 percent disapprove, 40 percent approve. Broken down by subgroups, Democrats still love him (82 percent) and Republicans still loathe him (91 percent). But independents dislike him (64 percent to 34 percent), and his approval rating by women is only 44 percent.

Fifty-two percent of those polled said they did not think Obama was trustworthy and honest, compared with 44 percent who said he was. That represents a huge drop since Quinnipiac asked that question in November, 2011, when 57 percent said the president was trustworthy.

Clinton vs. Christie: If the next election for president were today and Hillary Clinton was running against Chris Christie, each would get 42 percent of the vote in Ohio. Women favor Clinton, men favor Christie, although the “someone else” and “don’t know” columns are large enough to make up those differences.

In a different match up, Clinton would beat Rand Paul, a U.S. senator from Kentucky, by only three points, 47-44.

But what about Joe Biden?

If the current vice president ran for president against Christie and the election were today, Christie would win, 50-32.

As interesting as this is, it helps to consider that significant shares of Ohioans don’t know much about the potential GOP candidates, Thirty-four percent said they had not heard enough about Christie to form a favorable or unfavorable opinion, and 31 percent said that of Paul.

[........]
Sen. Sherrod Brown’s job approval: 46 percent approve, 38 percent disapprove and 16 percent don’t know.

Sen. Rob Portman’s job approval: 44 percent approve, 26 percent disapprove and 30 percent don’t know.

Expanding Medicaid in Ohio: 46 percent say it’s a good idea, 47 percent say it’s a bad idea, and 7 percent don’t know. Opponents of Medicaid expansion have been persuasive when reaching voters; in a Quinnipiac poll released in mid-April, Ohioans favored Medicaid expansion, as they did in a poll released March 1.

[........]
The question also changes along income lines. Fifty-seven percent of Ohio voters making less than $50,000 a year say Medicaid should be expanded. But among Ohioans earning $50,000 to $100,000, expansion’s popularity falls to 37 percent, though it goes up to 40 percent — so the majority are still against it — for those earning more than $100,000.

Gun background checks: Sixty-one percent of Ohio voters said they strongly support the idea of expanding background checks so they cover all purchases made at gun shows and on the Internet. Another 17 percent say they “somewhat support” the proposed requirement, which the U.S. Senate rejected. The numbers held up across all age and income ranges.

Asked if Portman’s “no” vote makes them think less favorably of him, 45 percent said yes, while 38 percent said his vote made no difference in how they viewed him.

Fifteen percent said Portman’s vote made them like him more.

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  1. Speranza
    1 | June 26, 2013 3:24 pm

    I still cannot figure out the vaunted (and derided the Left as recently as 2004 as “Jesusland”) “Fly over country’s” voting habits in presidential elections.


  2. Speranza
    2 | June 26, 2013 3:26 pm

    I am tired of states like Ohio being the “deciding” states in presidential elections.


  3. 3 | June 26, 2013 3:29 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Ohio is a Blue State now. Florida is on the cusp as well. The Democrats have a lock on the Electoral College like the GOP did 1968-1988.


  4. 4 | June 26, 2013 3:29 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Flyover country votes the same as the hated North East.


  5. Lily
    5 | June 26, 2013 3:30 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I totally agree with you here.


  6. lobo91
    6 | June 26, 2013 3:30 pm

    Fifty-seven percent of Ohio voters making less than $50,000 a year say Medicaid should be expanded.

    Of course they do. They won’t be paying for it.


  7. Speranza
    7 | June 26, 2013 3:31 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Flyover country votes the same as the hated North East.

    It appears to be that way.


  8. Lily
    8 | June 26, 2013 3:31 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Well I’m on the Gulf Coast….so I think I’m in the clear. At least I hope so.


  9. Speranza
    9 | June 26, 2013 3:32 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I totally agree with you here.

    Is there anything in Ohio worth visiting outside of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and the NFL Hall of Fame?


  10. 10 | June 26, 2013 3:33 pm

    @ Speranza:

    These same people will gladly vote for the Kackle.


  11. Speranza
    11 | June 26, 2013 3:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    These same people will gladly vote for the Kackle.

    In even greater numbers then they voted for Obama.


  12. 12 | June 26, 2013 3:35 pm

    @ Lily:

    In all honestly, I wish there were other viable choices than just Republicans and Democrats. They both suck and pit people against each other for power.

    American can do better than 2 clown parties.


  13. Lily
    13 | June 26, 2013 3:35 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I totally agree with you here.

    Is there anything in Ohio worth visiting outside of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and the NFL Hall of Fame?

    LOL! I am totally clueless on that one. ;)


  14. lobo91
    14 | June 26, 2013 3:36 pm

    As long as SEIU and AFSCME are in charge of counting the votes, it really doesn’t matter who votes for what.

    The people who cast the votes don’t decide an election, the people who count the votes do.
    --Joseph Stalin


  15. Da_Beerfreak
    15 | June 26, 2013 3:37 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I totally agree with you here.

    Is there anything in Ohio worth visiting outside of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and the NFL Hall of Fame?

    The Air Force Museum at Wright-Patterson outside of Dayton.


  16. 16 | June 26, 2013 3:37 pm

    @ Speranza:

    That laugh makes me ill.

    2016 will be the Corpulent Guido vs. The Kackle. Can’t America do better?


  17. Lily
    17 | June 26, 2013 3:37 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    In all honestly, I wish there were other viable choices than just Republicans and Democrats. They both suck and pit people against each other for power.

    American can do better than 2 clown parties.

    You know you are right…..times are changing and the two parties aren’t. They certainly do need a make-over.


  18. lobo91
    18 | June 26, 2013 3:39 pm

    They really need an Ebonics translator for the prosecution’s “star witness” in the Zimmerman trial.


  19. Speranza
    19 | June 26, 2013 3:39 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    The Air Force Museum at Wright-Patterson outside of Dayton.

    Ok that’s three things. I always viewed a good part of the Midwest frankly (and I mean no disrespect to Midwesterners) as a place someone comes from not as place someone moves to.


  20. Lily
    20 | June 26, 2013 3:40 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    They really need an Ebonics translator for the prosecution’s “star witness” in the Zimmerman trial.

    It’s that bad? *shakes head*


  21. Speranza
    21 | June 26, 2013 3:40 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    That laugh makes me ill.
    2016 will be the Corpulent Guido vs. The Kackle. Can’t America do better?

    You think that the family from Texas and their paisans won’t foist Jeb on us?


  22. 22 | June 26, 2013 3:41 pm

    @ lobo91:

    She’s already perjured herself, hasn’t she? Shouldn’t that be the end of her testimony? They let you keep lying to the court?


  23. 23 | June 26, 2013 3:43 pm

    @ Lily:

    But its tough because it’s like a sports team. No matter how crappy your team, is loyalty makes you stick with it.


  24. lobo91
    24 | June 26, 2013 3:43 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    She’s already perjured herself, hasn’t she? Shouldn’t that be the end of her testimony? They let you keep lying to the court?

    If it means lynching a “creepy ass cracker,” as Martin apparently called Zimmerman, yes.


  25. Speranza
    25 | June 26, 2013 3:44 pm

    During the Civil War what is now the Midwest was referred to as the West and those hearty westerners (mainly farm boys) from Ohio, Iowa, Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana and Missouri produced some tough hombres (such as the famous Iron Brigade of the Army of the Potomac and the majority of the soldiers of the Army of the Tennessee and the Army of the Cumberland).


  26. 26 | June 26, 2013 3:45 pm

    @ Speranza:

    You think that the family from Texas and their paisans won’t foist Jeb on us?

    I was trying to not contemplate a Bush vs. Clinton scenarios. It’s like Hezbollah vs. al Nusra, I wish they both can lose.


  27. Speranza
    27 | June 26, 2013 3:45 pm

    She’s Hillary and what difference does it make?


  28. Lily
    28 | June 26, 2013 3:46 pm

    Riddle me this….it just doesn’t make sense to me.

    Hagel: Openly Gay Troops “Makes Our Military Stronger, Much Stronger”…

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/06/26/hagel-openly-gay-troops-makes-our-military-stronger-much-stronger/


  29. 29 | June 26, 2013 3:47 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I hear the Kackle somewhere. I really would like to know what is so special about her? I see all these people pining for her like she’s some “Great Mother” who will look after her children. It’s just sick.


  30. 30 | June 26, 2013 3:47 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I bet that comment played well to the jury. Zimmerman had better be happy he didn’t use the N-word when talking to Martin. They’d already have him fitted out for his noose if he had. OTOH< the fine young thug that tried to beat him to death sounds like he is getting a free ride. I’ve not been impressed by what I’ve heard from the defense so far.


  31. Speranza
    31 | June 26, 2013 3:47 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I was trying to not contemplate a Bush vs. Clinton scenarios. It’s like Hezbollah vs. al Nusra, I wish they both can lose.

    I’d love to see the Bush’s, Rockefeller’s, Clinton’s and Kennedy’s politically crushed!


  32. Lily
    32 | June 26, 2013 3:48 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    But its tough because it’s like a sports team. No matter how crappy your team, is loyalty makes you stick with it.

    Don’t you know it.


  33. lobo91
    33 | June 26, 2013 3:49 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The defense attorney is an idiot.


  34. Speranza
    34 | June 26, 2013 3:49 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I hear the Kackle somewhere. I really would like to know what is so special about her? I see all these people pining for her like she’s some “Great Mother” who will look after her children. It’s just sick.

    She was undistinguished as a Senator and a God awful Secretary of State. I’ll bet that McCain and Miss Lindsey Graham contributes to her though.


  35. Speranza
    35 | June 26, 2013 3:50 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Riddle me this….it just doesn’t make sense to me.
    Hagel: Openly Gay Troops “Makes Our Military Stronger, Much Stronger”…
    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/06/26/hagel-openly-gay-troops-makes-our-military-stronger-much-stronger/

    Reminds me of General Casey worrying that the Ft. Hood shooter (Major Nidal Hassan ) would ruin the armed forces “diversity programs”.


  36. 36 | June 26, 2013 3:51 pm

    @ Speranza:

    The US is becoming like the late Roman Republic. You had all these families and their cronies fighting for power.


  37. lobo91
    37 | June 26, 2013 3:52 pm

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    They really need an Ebonics translator for the prosecution’s “star witness” in the Zimmerman trial.

    It’s that bad? *shakes head*

    I predict a bright future for her as a nail tech and/or welfare recipient.


  38. 38 | June 26, 2013 3:52 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    It’s almost as if his attorney is botching the trial on purpose. He should ask for a mistrial and a new attorney.


  39. Speranza
    39 | June 26, 2013 3:53 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    The US is becoming like the late Roman Republic. You had all these families and their cronies fighting for power.

    We are living in very dark times.


  40. 40 | June 26, 2013 3:53 pm

    @ Speranza:

    As it turns out, it didn’t hurt their diversity programs. They went on to promote diversity through Tamerlan Tsarnaev, too. That’s how you know they are bullshitting you when they say that the NSA spying is to protect us from terrorists. They aren’t catchng terrorists. They aren’t hunting terrorists. They are hunting Tea Party members.


  41. heysoos
    41 | June 26, 2013 3:53 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    I totally agree with you here.

    Is there anything in Ohio worth visiting outside of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and the NFL Hall of Fame?

    Columbus Zoo


  42. lobo91
    42 | June 26, 2013 3:54 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Riddle me this….it just doesn’t make sense to me.

    Hagel: Openly Gay Troops “Makes Our Military Stronger, Much Stronger”…

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/06/26/hagel-openly-gay-troops-makes-our-military-stronger-much-stronger/

    They were talking about wanting all the services to use one camouflage pattern for uniforms the other day. Maybe they’re hoping one of the new gay troops can help design them.


  43. 43 | June 26, 2013 3:54 pm

    @ Rodan:

    That’s the way it has sounded to me. This is a high-profile case, and it sounds like the Defense attorney wants to throw the case.


  44. Speranza
    44 | June 26, 2013 3:54 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    I totally agree with you here.
    Is there anything in Ohio worth visiting outside of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and the NFL Hall of Fame?

    Columbus Zoo

    Every state has a zoo.


  45. lobo91
    45 | June 26, 2013 3:55 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    It’s almost as if his attorney is botching the trial on purpose. He should ask for a mistrial and a new attorney.

    he should


  46. 46 | June 26, 2013 3:55 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    His knock Knock joke was stupid. He threw the case right there.


  47. lobo91
    47 | June 26, 2013 3:56 pm

    Mercedes Colwin on Zimmerman’s attorney:

    “This is disastrous.”


  48. 48 | June 26, 2013 3:56 pm

    @ lobo91:

    This guy is horrible. He should get Jose Baez who defended that Casey Anthony loon.


  49. Speranza
    49 | June 26, 2013 3:56 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    As it turns out, it didn’t hurt their diversity programs. They went on to promote diversity through Tamerlan Tsarnaev, too. That’s how you know they are bullshitting you when they say that the NSA spying is to protect us from terrorists. They aren’t catchng terrorists. They aren’t hunting terrorists. They are hunting Tea Party members.

    They seem to be doubling down on the “diversity” bullshit just like the British are. A British soldier is hacked to death and the idiot Prime Minister David Cameron and the buffoonish Mayor Boris Johnson keep saying that it has nothing to do with Islam.


  50. 50 | June 26, 2013 3:57 pm

    @ Speranza:

    That is why Caesar rose, he was viewed better than the alternatives.


  51. RIX
    51 | June 26, 2013 3:58 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    It’s almost as if his attorney is botching the trial on purpose. He should ask for a mistrial and a new attorney.

    he should

    Right now. He needs to get competent counsel.


  52. Speranza
    52 | June 26, 2013 3:58 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    That is why Caesar rose, he was viewed better than the alternatives.

    Yet he (Caesar) became a great tyrant as did Napoleon Bonaparte who started out as an enlightened man too.


  53. Speranza
    53 | June 26, 2013 3:59 pm

    @ Rodan:
    By the way I enjoyed getting together with you two weeks ago in Sarasota.


  54. RIX
    54 | June 26, 2013 4:00 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    His knock Knock joke was stupid. He threw the case right there.

    Seriously, The Joe Pesci “My Cousin Vinny”
    character didn’t do anything that bad


  55. 55 | June 26, 2013 4:02 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I was in town visiting my parents, so it worked out.


  56. lobo91
    56 | June 26, 2013 4:04 pm

    U.S. Union Boss Praises Violent Protesters In Brazil, Warns America May See Same If More Taxpayer Money Isn’t Coughed Up…

    The leader of the global Amalgamated Transit Union, headquartered in Washington, D.C., said the violence that’s spreading through the streets of Brazil is a good example of solidarity and citizens’ action, and that the United States might soon see the same.

    The Brazilian protests — which has spilled up to 1 million into the streets, leading to clashes with police, arrests and injuries, and at least one death — show “what can be achieved by standing strong together to fight against bus and subway fare hikes,” said Larry Hanley, president of the ATU, which represents transportation workers around the world.

    The same could occur in the United States if the government doesn’t start giving more subsidies for transportation expenses, he said, Watchdog.org reported.

    “The Brazilian protests should also serve as a warning to all politicians that they will jeopardize their own political future if they ignore the needs of the burgeoning number of public transportation users in the United States and Canada,” Mr. Hanley said in the Watchdog.org report.

    Unlike Brazil, American taxpayers have guns.

    Something to think about, Larry…


  57. 57 | June 26, 2013 4:05 pm

    @ RIX:

    This lawyer sucks.


  58. RIX
    58 | June 26, 2013 4:07 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    That is why Caesar rose, he was viewed better than the alternatives.

    Yet he (Caesar) became a great tyrant as did Napoleon Bonaparte who started out as an enlightened man too.

    In His Commentaries, Juluis Gaius Ceasar told a very
    different story of the Roman Gaelic War than the
    Gael did.
    But, he eventually did win.


  59. 59 | June 26, 2013 4:07 pm

    @ Speranza:

    The British government banned Spencer and Geller. Charles is trying to take some credit.


  60. Aussie Infidel
    60 | June 26, 2013 4:14 pm

    And the Aussies have got their pet psychopath back for a few weeks as Prime Minister. Ding Dong the (red headed bogan) witch is dead. The UN loving Chinese speaking nutter called Rudd is back for a cameo performance before the socialists are swept into the dustbin of Australian history once and for all in September when the Australian people get to have their say.


  61. Aussie Infidel
    61 | June 26, 2013 4:15 pm

    Hiya Rodan. It’s been ages mate. Just back from a stint in southern Turkey. :) I wouldn’t recommend it as a holiday destination just now!


  62. RIX
    62 | June 26, 2013 4:21 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    The British government banned Spencer and Geller. Charles is trying to take some credit.

    Charles is delusional, but you know that.
    Muslim whining got Geller & Spenser banned.


  63. RIX
    63 | June 26, 2013 4:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    This lawyer sucks.

    He has got to fire the guy.


  64. Aussie Infidel
    64 | June 26, 2013 4:27 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    Muslim whining got Geller & Spenser banned.

    Au contraire. Jelly kneed British cabinets got Geller and Spencer banned. Girlie men (thanks Arnold for that phrase) need to be taken out back and get themselves ‘sorted out’ mano a mano. Hell I’d even pay their dental bills to get them back on song.


  65. RIX
    65 | June 26, 2013 4:28 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:
    One thing certain, Charles had no influence.


  66. Aussie Infidel
    66 | June 26, 2013 4:29 pm

    @ RIX:
    Bingo. Give the man a cigar! :)


  67. 67 | June 26, 2013 4:31 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    Hiya Rodan. It’s been ages mate. Just back from a stint in southern Turkey. I wouldn’t recommend it as a holiday destination just now!

    Let me guess, they are staging weapons there for the FSA and Nusra?


  68. RIX
    68 | June 26, 2013 4:32 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Bingo. Give the man a cigar!

    A Macanudo or a Cohiba would be nice.


  69. 69 | June 26, 2013 4:33 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    But they allow Choudary to do sedition on a daily basis.


  70. RIX
    70 | June 26, 2013 4:37 pm

    Unlike Brazil, American taxpayers have guns.

    Something to think about, Larry…
    @ lobo91:

    Yo, dis guy Hanly & his associate Trumpka ain’t
    no union thugs. Dey is stand up guys.
    All da violence is dem 80 year old Tea Party broads.


  71. 71 | June 26, 2013 4:37 pm

    @ Rodan:

    That tells me he isn’t taking this case as seriously as he should be. I reserved judgement when he didn’t try to get this thrown out on Stand Your Ground, but that was ridiculous.


  72. 72 | June 26, 2013 4:38 pm

    Did anyone see the prosecution witness in the Treyvon Martin trial this afternoon? She seemed wholly incapable of understanding or speaking the language. She was like a SNL parody.


  73. 73 | June 26, 2013 4:41 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    By refusing Stane your Ground, which was done by his attorney’s request he took a gamble ona trail. His attornney sucks.


  74. 74 | June 26, 2013 4:42 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    It’s my understanding that she is the prosecutions star witness. She said “Whitey did it!” That is all the prosecution required of her. It is also my understanding that she’d already perjured herself. Apparently when there is a white man to prosecute, you are allowed to lie on the witness stand.


  75. Aussie Infidel
    75 | June 26, 2013 4:45 pm

    See ya Rodan. Breakfast awaits. Heading to the BIG island of Hawaii for some much needed R&R mate. Jul -Aug. :)


  76. 76 | June 26, 2013 4:49 pm

    @ Rodan:

    It seems to me that this is exactly the kind of case Stand Your Ground was designed for. Zimmerman owed Martin no duty of retreat. When Martin attacked him, he took his own life in his hands. THat is what the law is for. I don’t reckon that they are even trying to deny that Martin attacked Zimmerman anymore. The witness that had Martin on top of Zimmerman beating his head against the ground kind of took that away. It seems pretty open and shut from there, but this moron attorney may piss it away with jokes. I doubt the jury was amused.


  77. RIX
    77 | June 26, 2013 4:50 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Did anyone see the prosecution witness in the Treyvon Martin trial this afternoon? She seemed wholly incapable of understanding or speaking the language. She was like a SNL parody.

    They needed Barbara Bilingsly to translate
    “I speak jive.”


  78. waldensianspirit
    78 | June 26, 2013 4:51 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Yea it’s pretty difficult not to Stand-your-Cement; you aren’t backing up anywhere without atomic tunnelling


  79. 79 | June 26, 2013 4:52 pm

    The NRA strikes back against Bloomberg. Though after Bloomberg was stupid enough to call Tamerlan Tsarnaev a “victim of gun violence” I don’t know that the NRA has much more damage they can do. Anybody that was persuadable was persuaded by that with or without this new ad. I guess the ad calls attention to it for those who missed it.


  80. RIX
    80 | June 26, 2013 4:54 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Right after the incident no one saw any grounds to
    prosecute.
    After all of the race whores got involved they brought
    charges.
    This looks like a malicious prosecution, like the
    Duke Lacrosse team.


  81. lobo91
    81 | June 26, 2013 4:54 pm

    @ RIX:

    They needed Barbara Bilingsly to translate “I speak jive.”

    Or at least closed captions.

    It was bad enough they had to run it on a 5 second delay to try to filter out some of the profanity.


  82. lobo91
    82 | June 26, 2013 4:55 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Yea it’s pretty difficult not to Stand-your-Cement; you aren’t backing up anywhere without atomic tunnelling

    Kind of hard to retreat when your assailant is on top of you.


  83. 84 | June 26, 2013 4:58 pm

    RIX wrote:

    They needed Barbara Bilingsly to translate
    “I speak jive.”

    Well played! :D


  84. RIX
    85 | June 26, 2013 5:00 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    They needed Barbara Bilingsly to translate
    “I speak jive.”

    Well played!

    What up Mac?


  85. 86 | June 26, 2013 5:02 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Bloomberg is anti-Civil Rights, no different in quality than the Klu Klux Klan. But the Press doesn’t see it that way, so they’ve been giving his anti-Civil Rights stance a pass. But naming the Boston Bomber as a victim may have gone too far even for them. If this were any other issue, it’d have been over with Heller and McDonald, though. You don’t see segregationists out there hanging on for dear life the way you have gun controllers.


  86. lobo91
    87 | June 26, 2013 5:03 pm

    Prosecution’s Star Witness Says Trayvon Martin Called Zimmerman A “Creepy Ass Cracker” – Update: Video Added, “Creepy, White, Kill-My-Neighbors Cracker”…

    … “Yes,” Jeantel replied. “I asked him how the man looked like. He just told me the man — the man looked creepy.”

    “He said the man looked creepy?” the prosecutor asked.

    “Creepy, white, kill-my-neighbors cracker,” Jeantel replied, and when asked to repeat her testimony a few times, added, “He looked like a creepy ass cracker.”

    “He told me the man was looking at him,” she added, “so I had to think it might have been a rapist. Might have been a rapist.”


  87. RIX
    88 | June 26, 2013 5:04 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    They needed Barbara Bilingsly to translate “I speak jive.”

    Or at least closed captions.

    It was bad enough they had to run it on a 5 second delay to try to filter out some of the profanity.

    This was Trayvon’s girlfriend dropping F bombs..
    Nice. They’re describing it on the radio as “At times
    incomprehensible”
    She has to stop watching Sharpton.


  88. 89 | June 26, 2013 5:05 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    It’s my understanding that she is the prosecutions star witness. She said “Whitey did it!” That is all the prosecution required of her. It is also my understanding that she’d already perjured herself. Apparently when there is a white man to prosecute, you are allowed to lie on the witness stand.

    I’m so sick of the “angry black” persona I could spit. The STUPID “angry black” persona is infuriating. If Treyvon was pulling the same crap on Zimmerman as his girlfriend was pulling on the court, I can see why he shot the sombitch.


  89. RIX
    90 | June 26, 2013 5:06 pm

    @ lobo91:
    So let me ax you Jeantel, was it a Creepy ass cracker?


  90. 91 | June 26, 2013 5:07 pm

    @ lobo91:

    If the races and racial epithets were reversed, this trial would be over with. As is, though, who knows what the jury will decide?


  91. RIX
    92 | June 26, 2013 5:10 pm

    I’m so sick of the “angry black” persona I could spit. The STUPID “angry black” persona is infuriating. If Treyvon was pulling the same crap on Zimmerman as his girlfriend was pulling on the court, I can see why he shot the sombitch.
    @ MacDuff:

    There is a real irony here.
    The State is trying to establish that Zimmerman
    is a racist to establish motive. No luck.
    Yet Tryavon is tossing cracker around, which is
    racist.
    How about trayvon was motivated by racism?


  92. 93 | June 26, 2013 5:10 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Oh, I don’t think there is a question that Trayvon, model citizen that he was, tried to beat the hell out of Zimmerman. They just want to say that the beating was deserved because he wrongly looked at a proud young man, and what was a proud young mand to do other than beat him? If Zimmerman were a woman, they’d be asking how short his skirt was. I really hope Zimmerman walks. That would be justice. But the NAACP is down there to intimidate the jury with threats of “unrest”. That is apparently legal in this day and age.


  93. 94 | June 26, 2013 5:11 pm

    RIX wrote:

    So let me ax you Jeantel, was it a Creepy ass cracker?

    When you’re wearing orange glue-on nails and your hair looks like it came out of a Krylon spray can, you have no right to be passing judgement on what’s “creepy-ass”.


  94. lobo91
    95 | June 26, 2013 5:12 pm

    @ RIX:

    How about trayvon was motivated by racism?

    Impossible. Minorities can never be racists.

    Ask any Ivy League diversity studies professor.


  95. 96 | June 26, 2013 5:12 pm

    RIX wrote:

    What up Mac?

    All’s well, my friend.


  96. lobo91
    97 | June 26, 2013 5:14 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    I have to wonder if MSNBC, et al, are going to continue to trumpet this case so loudly after today.

    This idiot really isn’t helping their cause any.


  97. RIX
    98 | June 26, 2013 5:14 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Bingo, they are saying that Zimmerman followed him
    & the Neighborhood watch shouldn’t do that.
    So what? It is not illegal.
    If Zimmerman confronted him, it would not have been
    illegal.
    It sure looks like dised yoot Trayvon tried to beat the
    hell out of Zimmerman.


  98. RIX
    99 | June 26, 2013 5:15 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    What up Mac?

    All’s well, my friend.

    Glad to hear that amigo.


  99. RIX
    100 | June 26, 2013 5:16 pm

    Out to mow the lawn. See ya.


  100. 101 | June 26, 2013 5:18 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    But the NAACP is down there to intimidate the jury with threats of “unrest”. That is apparently legal in this day and age.

    Yeah, the implied and overt threats of “unrest” is tantamount to saying “it’s better to convict one innocent man than to risk the lives of many innocents should there be unrest”.

    It makes my blood boil.


  101. lobo91
    102 | June 26, 2013 5:18 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Bingo, they are saying that Zimmerman followed him
    & the Neighborhood watch shouldn’t do that.
    So what? It is not illegal.
    If Zimmerman confronted him, it would not have been
    illegal.
    It sure looks like dised yoot Trayvon tried to beat the
    hell out of Zimmerman.

    Exactly. Yes, they tell neighborhood watch volunteers not to follow or confront suspicious people, for exactly this reason. It’s for their own protection, not because it’s illegal.

    So far, nobody’s claimed that he did anything to warrant being attacked.


  102. lobo91
    103 | June 26, 2013 5:20 pm

    Supreme Court Isn’t Fooling Moonbat Bette Midler: DOMA Ruling A Distraction From Their “Real Agenda” – The “Vicious” Decision On Voting Rights Act…

    One good thing about Twitter: You don’t have to wonder anymore about the intelligence of celebrities.


  103. 104 | June 26, 2013 5:21 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I have to wonder if MSNBC, et al, are going to continue to trumpet this case so loudly after today.

    This idiot really isn’t helping their cause any.

    She’s really the poster child for the fact that there’s something terribly wrong in the “black community”, isn’t she? FOR THAT case, she really IS the “star witness”.


  104. lobo91
    105 | June 26, 2013 5:22 pm

    @ lobo91:

    So, let me get this straight: The DOMA ruling is good, because it gives gays “equality,” yet treating all 50 states the same with regard to voting laws is bad?


  105. 106 | June 26, 2013 5:23 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    If I lived in the area, I think I’d point out that in the event of hostilities the locals are armed. If rioters were to get shot it would be most unfortunate for them.


  106. lobo91
    107 | June 26, 2013 5:24 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    I don’t watch the network news shows, but how much do you want to bet that none of them show any video of her testimony tonight?


  107. 108 | June 26, 2013 5:24 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    So, let me get this straight: The DOMA ruling is good, because it gives gays “equality,” yet treating all 50 states the same with regard to voting laws is bad?

    I think that’s where they get the phrase “the law is an ass”.


  108. 109 | June 26, 2013 5:28 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    If I lived in the area, I think I’d point out that in the event of hostilities the locals are armed. If rioters were to get shot it would be most unfortunate for them.

    Between this crap, the unions threatening “unrest” and the general mood of the country right now, being armed is really only common sense.


  109. lobo91
    110 | June 26, 2013 5:28 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    If I lived in the area, I think I’d point out that in the event of hostilities the locals are armed. If rioters were to get shot it would be most unfortunate for them.

    “We’re all Trayvon now!”

    “No, but you can be…”


  110. lobo91
    111 | June 26, 2013 5:31 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    I have three brand new rifles I need to try out.

    Sadly, they’re all .22s, though.


  111. 112 | June 26, 2013 5:31 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I don’t watch the network news shows, but how much do you want to bet that none of them show any video of her testimony tonight?

    I’m sure they would determine it to be “racist” in the same way those pictures of Muslim terrorists are “racist”. God forbid anyone should rise, fall or be judged on their own merit or by their own words….better to filter it so as to raven the playing field!


  112. 113 | June 26, 2013 5:32 pm

    @ lobo91:

    It sounds like they are all thugs, here.


  113. lobo91
    114 | June 26, 2013 5:34 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    It’s really too bad that the white man is keeping poor whatever-the-hell her name is down, though. If we just had more affirmative action laws, I’ll bet she could be flunking out of an Ivy League school right now.


  114. darkwords
    115 | June 26, 2013 5:36 pm

    @ 12 Rodan: vote for small government


  115. 116 | June 26, 2013 5:37 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    It sounds like they are all thugs, here.

    Remember when “thug” was an insult, rather than braggadocio?


  116. 117 | June 26, 2013 5:37 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’ll bet she could be flunking out of an Ivy League school right now.

    On the taxpayer’s dime! Sure. Someone is oppressin’ her badly that she isn’t.


  117. 118 | June 26, 2013 5:39 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    I have no doubt that Trayvon would have considered it a complement to be called a thug.


  118. 119 | June 26, 2013 5:40 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    It’s really too bad that the white man is keeping poor whatever-the-hell her name is down, though. If we just had more affirmative action laws, I’ll bet she could be flunking out of an Ivy League school right now.

    I can just see her with the Krylon spray-on hair and orange press-ons at Harvard Law.


  119. 120 | June 26, 2013 5:45 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    She could follow in Obama
    ‘s footsteps. You know, do the law review without writing any articles, pass through the academy without any notable accomplishments, and in 25 years she, too, might be a viable candidate for President! She just needs to catch the right connections.


  120. lobo91
    121 | June 26, 2013 5:49 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    She just needs to catch the right connections.

    She be famous ‘n shit, now…
    //


  121. Speranza
    122 | June 26, 2013 5:56 pm

    The spineless Tory government in Britain will make Thatcher and Churchill turn somersaults in their graves.


  122. lobo91
    124 | June 26, 2013 5:59 pm

    Kimberly Guilfoyle:

    “I would cry if that were my witness.”


  123. heysoos
    125 | June 26, 2013 6:35 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    BREAKING: Rick Perry Calls Special Session To Pass Pro-Life Bill Screaming Mob Of Leftists Disrupted…
    Don’t mess with Texas

    if anything, Texans can herd cattle…sometimes they stampede


  124. lobo91
    126 | June 26, 2013 7:11 pm

    National Cathedral Rings Church Bells To Celebrate Gay Marriage After Supreme Court Ruling…

    The National Cathedral is pealing its church bells, along with some other Washington churches, to celebrate the Supreme Court’s decisions on gay marriage.

    Cathedral spokesman Richard Weinberg said the bells rang at noon Wednesday for 45 minutes to an hour. Bells also rang at other Episcopal, Methodist, Presbyterian, Unitarian and other Christian churches.

    How nice for them.


  125. lobo91
    127 | June 26, 2013 7:14 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Meanwhile, from a leader of an actual religion, rather than a social club:

    Cardinal Dolan, Catholic Bishops Blast Gay Marriage Ruling

    “Today is a tragic day for marriage and our nation. The Supreme Court has dealt a profound injustice to the American people by striking down in part the federal Defense of Marriage Act. The Court got it wrong. The federal government ought to respect the truth that marriage is the union of one man and one woman, even where states fail to do so. The preservation of liberty and justice requires that all laws, federal and state, respect the truth, including the truth about marriage. It is also unfortunate that the Court did not take the opportunity to uphold California’s Proposition 8 but instead decided not to rule on the matter. The common good of all, especially our children, depends upon a society that strives to uphold the truth of marriage. Now is the time to redouble our efforts in witness to this truth. These decisions are part of a public debate of great consequence. The future of marriage and the well-being of our society hang in the balance.


  126. Guggi
    128 | June 26, 2013 7:19 pm

    the “new” US-military


  127. coldwarrior
    129 | June 26, 2013 7:21 pm

    @ Guggi:

    :lol:

    python always has something appropriate to the situation!

    NEW THREAD, n’at yinz.


  128. RIX
    130 | June 26, 2013 7:26 pm

    Exactly. Yes, they tell neighborhood watch volunteers not to follow or confront suspicious people, for exactly this reason. It’s for their own protection, not because it’s illegal.

    So far, nobody’s claimed that he did anything to warrant

    @ lobo91:

    I thought that this would be a slam dunk for the defense.
    Now I’m not so sure.
    They let a neighbor testify that the screaming for help
    sounded like a 17 year old boy.
    Where are her expert credentials? There are none.


  129. lobo91
    131 | June 26, 2013 7:27 pm

    @ RIX:

    She also testified that she heard three shots.

    There was only one.


  130. RIX
    132 | June 26, 2013 7:34 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    She also testified that she heard three shots.

    There was only one.

    Credible witness./


  131. darkwords
    133 | June 26, 2013 8:34 pm

    The type of stupid the left is exhibiting isn’t fixed just by talking to them. That just encourages their type of insanity. They need to be grounded. We are creating too many of these types of people via green lessons in kindergarten. I guess one could make a case for a permanent filibuster on all Obama programs. Let the budget fail. Then it becomes a competition to see who can pick up the pieces the best.

    Unfortunate.


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