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The Republican Establishmnet tried to recruit Christie for 2012

by Rodan ( 181 Comments › )
Filed under Elections 2012, George W. Bush, Mitt Romney, Republican Party at July 5th, 2013 - 12:00 pm

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Earlier this week I had a post on the upcoming book about the 2012 election; Collision 2012 by Dan Balz of the Washington Post. In it, Balz interviewed Mitt Romney who admitted he almost dropped out because he knew he was a flawed candidate. This was very revealing and explained his terrible campaign for the Presidency in 2012.

It seems, the GOP Establishment knew Romney’s heart was not totally in it. in the summer and fall of 2011, Republican establishment figures like the Bush family, Henry Kissinger, the Koch Brothers and even Nancy Reagan tried to recruit NJ. Governor Christie to run for President. The GOP at that early stage knew Romney could not beat Obama and tried to gamble on Christie. He declined and the GOP establishment threw its support behind Romney.

Chris Christie was actually Mitt romney’s original choice for VP. The only thing preventing it was a SEC ruling that forbid Wall Street to donate to candidates where big banks are located. Several major banks have their headquarters in NJ. The only way Christie could have been the VP nominee if he had quit the governorship. He declined to quit and Romney ended up passing him over. A series of events transpired that led to bad blood between Christie and the Romney campaign. The culmination of this led to the Corpulent Guido backstabbing of Mitt Romney by embracing Obama so publicly after Hurricane sandy.

Gov. Chris Christie, R-N.J., threatened to drop the “f-bomb” during a nationally televised speech at the 2012 Republican National Convention. Mitt Romney, the GOP’s eventual 2012 nominee, almost aborted his presidential run in 2011 because he didn’t see a viable path to the nomination. And Romney’s advisers, frightened by Newt Gingrich’s victory in the South Carolina primary, held a series of “Kill Newt” strategy sessions in the days after the primary.

[….]

The presence of Christie loomed large over the 2012 election, even though he had publicly maintained that he would not run. Balz reveals how pervasive the effort to draft Christie into the race became during the summer of 2011, when figures including former President George W. Bush and former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger contacted the popular New Jersey Republican, entreating him to throw his hat into the ring.

[….]

In addition to Bush and Kissinger, former first ladies Barbara Bush and Nancy Reagan and billionaire businessman David Koch also pushed Christie in the direction of a run.

When he eventually decided against a run, he was again courted – this time by the Romney campaign – as a potential vice presidential candidate. Though he had cautioned Romney that he had a “big” personality that may not be well-suited to playing second fiddle, Romney assured Christie that he remained under serious consideration, Balz writes.

In the end, it was money, not chemistry, that kept Christie off the GOP ticket. A “pay to play” regulation from the Securities and Exchange Commission prevented the country’s largest banks from donating to candidates and elected officials from states in which big banks were located. If Christie, the governor of New Jersey, were added to the ticket, Romney’s campaign would have been barred from accepting any campaign contributions from Wall Street – a critical source of cash for the GOP candidate, formerly a private equity manager.

In a phone call, Romney asked Christie whether he would be willing to resign the governorship to side-step the SEC regulation. Christie laughed and said he needed time to think about it, but eventually decided to stay put in New Jersey. “After that phone call, Romney and Christie had no further conversations about joining the ticket,” Balz writes.

Read the rest: Christie threatened to drop “f-bomb” at 2012 GOP convention

This book shows the dysfunction of the Republican Party heading into 2012. Mitt Romney knew he could not win nor was his heart totally in it. The GOP establishment knew this as well and tries to recruit the wannabe Jersey Shore style Guido. Christie it turns out is a snake who is out for himself.

Unlike the mess in the GOP, Obama had a united Party, a virtually invincible electoral machine in OFA that organized an anti-Republican coalition, a friendly media, support of the popular culture and government resources like the IRS or NSA. In retrospect. It is now apparent the GOP never had a chance in 2012. Unless the GOP makes major changes and begins to form a broad appealing coalition, 2016 will be another lost election for them and the Democrat Party’s dominance of Presidential elections since 1992 will continue.

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  1. 1 | July 5, 2013 12:31 pm

    If Christie is the nominee, I won’t vote. Christie may be the best we could hope for to be a governor of New Jersey, but what that means is that the governors of States like New Jersey are too provincial to be successful national candidates.


  2. Da_Beerfreak
    2 | July 5, 2013 12:47 pm

    Christie is worthless outside of New Jersey except to the D’Rats looking for another palooka to run as the GOPee candidate.


  3. Bumr50
    3 | July 5, 2013 12:53 pm

    It’s antithetical for conservatives (especially those with liberetarian leanings) to be as lock-step behind a candidate as progressives are.

    Philosophical differences.


  4. Bumr50
    4 | July 5, 2013 12:55 pm

    This problem is compounded by the fact that the establishment GOP appears to loathe us, by and large.


  5. Da_Beerfreak
    5 | July 5, 2013 1:00 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    This problem is compounded by the fact that the establishment GOP appears to loathe us, by and large.

    That’s only fair, I’ve been loathing the cowards of the GOPee establishment for years… :twisted:


  6. 6 | July 5, 2013 1:02 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    The Establishment GOP wants to be the Democrat’s loyal lap dog They don’t care about being in the majority so much, and they damned sure don’t care about passing a Conservative Agenda. They had six years under Bush to make some real reforms, and they did nothing substantive except create a new entitlement program for old people in Medicare. That’s why they are losing, really. The Conservative Agenda is a winner, nationally. That’s why we have the majority of the State Houses. Sure, Conservatism is a loser in California. Who cares? The whole point of Federalism is that we don’t have to all jump off the same cliff just because some of us lose our minds. Market forces will settle California out sooner or later unless the GOP caves and there is a Federal Bailout. COnservatism wins in Flyover Country. It’ll never win in the Northeast. We really are two very different countries in America. A House divided against itself cannot stand. And this really can’t go on forever. Sooner or later people will quit loaning us money. They’ll quit loaning money to States like California before they quit loaning to the Feds, too.


  7. 7 | July 5, 2013 1:11 pm

    I guess we know who the establishment is going to shove down our throats in 2016.

    And he coincidentally happens to be “the only Republican who can beat Hillary,” … according to liberals who will vote for Hillary regardless. (The same people who said “John McCain is the kind of Republican I’d vote for,” and then turned around and gave Obama a landslide in 2008).

    Liberals Democrats always seem to be full of advice for Republicans; for example, advising them to “Expand the GOP Tent” by kicking conservatives and evangelicals out of it. The stupid part is, the Establishment GOP actually heeds the advice of those who want to defeat them.


  8. Da_Beerfreak
    8 | July 5, 2013 1:19 pm

    @ V the K:
    Open primaries + Lamestream Obama Media + D’Rat crossover voting = D’Rat control of the elections. Ad nauseum… :evil:


  9. The Osprey
    9 | July 5, 2013 1:24 pm

    Christie will never be accepted as the nominee in the South, MidWest or the Rocky Mountain and Desert States.

    It ain’t happenin’.


  10. 10 | July 5, 2013 1:25 pm

    V the K wrote:

    The stupid part is, the Establishment GOP actually heeds the advice of those who want to defeat them.

    That’s why they call them the Stupid Party. Let’s face it. The Democrats want Christie because they know Christie’s views on guns and Muslims is Far away from that of the Republican base, so they know that him as our candidate would depress our base turnout. That’ll let the Democrats win in a walk. To win a Presidential election you have to maximize your base turnout FIRST, and then try to pull from the Middle. We saw that in 2012 from Obama, who ran hard Left, even picking tricky issues like gay marriage to distinguish himself from Romney. Romney, OTOH, was Mr. Moderate. “I’m not one of those scary Tea PArty Republicans”. Sure, parts of the base still turned out, but he didn’t ever try to maximize that turnout. He couldn’t have ran harder away from the Tea PArty, and he didn’t run against ObamaCare at all. If he’d maximized his base and made damned sure that people both knew what ObamaCare was going to cost them and that he, Romney, would make ObamaCare go away, he might would have won. We’ll never know because Romney didn’t do that.


  11. 11 | July 5, 2013 1:27 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Hey, Ray Shero just put Bob Scuderi back in the Black and Gold for a few years.


  12. lobo91
    12 | July 5, 2013 1:34 pm

    Another POS pseudo-conservative:

    Michael Savage: Zimmerman Should Be Found Guilty, Made “Racist Statement” When He Was Out “Hunting” Trayvon Martin…

    On his show on Tuesday night, talk show host Michael Savage said that George Zimmerman, who is currently on trial for the murder of Trayvon Martin, should be found guilty of second-degree manslaughter based on two things: 1) The state of his firearm and 2) The language he allegedly used on a 911 call when he was first reporting his suspicions about Martin.

    “I don’t care which side you are on,” Savage continued. “He wasn’t just carrying a gun, he wasn’t just a watch guy: He was hunting. He was looking, he was hoping to find someone he could shoot or intimidate with that loaded weapon, ladies and gentlemen of the Savage jury.”

    In addition to that, Savage said the controversial 911 call was also damning.

    “[Z]immerman says the back entrance and under his breath, he can be heard saying ‘f-ing,’ and the first word is ‘f—ing;’ the second word begins with a ‘c’ and ends with ‘ns,’” Savage said. “I didn’t make that up. It’s on the 911 tape. And I’m afraid that the fact that he has this racist statement — made this racist statement on the 911 call — and that he was carry a loaded gun with a bullet in the chamber and the safety off, you have to find this man guilty of second-degree manslaughter is my opinion. Something’s wrong with this whole story.”

    Too bad both of his points are bullshit, not to mention irrelevant.

    First, the word that Savage apparently thinks was “coons” was actually “punks.”

    And second, there is absolutely nothing improper about carrying a gun with a round in the chamber. If there is, then every cop in America is wrong. Only in movies do people draw a pistol and then chamber a round for dramatic effect (sometimes more than once). As for the safety being off, he’s just showing his ignorance. Zimmerman’s gun was a Kel-Tec PF-9. It HAS no manual safety.


  13. 13 | July 5, 2013 1:37 pm

    I hope Lott is right, here:

    Prosecutors’ problem is that they have to do more than eventually convince people that their version of events is “likely,” and they haven’t come close to doing that. Instead, they have to show that they are true beyond a “reasonable doubt.” To put it differently, to say something is “likely” just means that there is over a 50 percent chance it is true. To say something is beyond a reasonable doubt means that it is much closer to 100 percent.

    The tragic thing about the case is how many people jumped to conclusions before they knew the facts. Many conservative commentators claimed early on that Zimmerman had acted improperly (Mona Charen, Rich Lowry, Heather Mac Donald, Robert VerBruggen, and Gregory Kane).

    Comments by President Obama, Al Sharpton, and others surely stirred up the racial aspects of the case and appear to have generated many case across the country where blacks attacked whites to avenge Trayvon Martin (e.g.,Gainesville, Florida; Oak Park, Illinois; Mobile, Alabama; Toledo, Ohio; Grand Rapids, Michigan; and Norfolk, Virginia).

    It is a case that prosecutors should never have brought, but they let politics influence their decision.

    Next, it will be the defense’s turn to present their case. But, for all practical purposes, the Zimmerman trial is already over.

    Most interesting to me was this, though:

    Prior to “Stand Your Ground,” citizens who wanted to defend themselves from a criminal had to retreat as far as possible and then announce to the criminal that they were going to shoot. The “Stand Your Ground” law simply says replaced the original requirement to retreat to a “reasonable person’s” standard, instead stating that lethal force is justified when a reasonable person would believe that a criminal intends to inflict serious bodily harm or death.

    But Zimmerman’s defense has never raised the “Stand Your Ground” law for one simple reason: with Zimmerman on his back and Trayvon Martin holding him down, he had no option to retreat.

    None of the testimony ever explained why the “Stand Your Ground” law was even relevant to Zimmerman’s actions. How Beckel comes away with the notion all this means that Zimmerman didn’t have “an extreme enough case” to defend himself is hardly obvious.

    That is something I had wondered about, and never seen explained. It does make sense, then. We’ll see what the jury does. I don’t think the prosecution has raised a reasonable suspicion that Zimmerman acted with “depraved indifference” to human life here, which is what they have to prove beyond reasonable doubt to get a conviction on Second Degree Murder.


  14. lobo91
    14 | July 5, 2013 1:41 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    But Zimmerman’s defense has never raised the “Stand Your Ground” law for one simple reason: with Zimmerman on his back and Trayvon Martin holding him down, he had no option to retreat.

    I’ve said that all along. The only people who have brought it up are ones who don’t understand what the law even means.


  15. 15 | July 5, 2013 1:45 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Only in movies do people draw a pistol and then chamber a round for dramatic effect (sometimes more than once).

    Exactly. I saw that. I never liked Savage, anyway. But this comment is typical of the ignorance about guns in Hollywood, and Savage is a Hollywood type. It is like the idiots that freaked out about a Glock having a plastic frame. No, you can’t sneak a Glock past metal detectors, idiots. It has a steel barrel and slide. More than enough steel for a metal detector to pick up.


  16. lobo91
    16 | July 5, 2013 1:49 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    And they show up just fine on X-ray machines, too.


  17. 17 | July 5, 2013 1:49 pm

    @ lobo91:
    @ Iron Fist:

    The local police and prosecutors decided not to pursue charges against Zimmerman for a reason. They knew that they would have no case against him, and if one thing has been made painfully obvious by the prosecutions effort so far, it is that the original decision to not prosecute this case was the correct one. Outside of techno babble and an emotional appeal from the thug’s mother, there is no there, there.

    By the way, the whole, “who’s voice is it gag is a deception at best. I have witnessed personally at least a dozen instances of a cop being attacked by a perp, and the perp spending the entire time screaming help me, as he leveled the attack. That trick is nothing new, even if it is Trayvon’s voice on the tape, which personally I doubt.


  18. 18 | July 5, 2013 1:54 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Glockenspiel did manufacture a ceramic piece of shit for about 15 minutes that supposedly could pass through airport security. The problem with those weapons however is that after being fired once, they were worse than useless, and managed to pose a greater threat to the people firing them than those being fired upon. Bad press and negative functionality put an end to that sad chapter in firearms production.


  19. lobo91
    19 | July 5, 2013 1:54 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I’d like to know what statute Savage is looking at that includes “racist comments” made to a third party as an element of a manslaughter charge, too.


  20. 20 | July 5, 2013 1:55 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    That’s what was said about Romney.


  21. 21 | July 5, 2013 1:57 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Unless the nominee is Rand Paul, I am voting Libertarian in 2016.


  22. 22 | July 5, 2013 1:59 pm

    @ lobo91:

    But, but, but RAAAAACISM!

    That’s really all they’ve got, and as we’ve seen with Paula Deen, if Zimmerman had ever used the N-word in conversation with anybody, that person would now be famous. You’ve got to watch everything you say, even in private. The PC Police are everywhere.


  23. 23 | July 5, 2013 2:00 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I’m sure Zimmerman used the N word but in the context of an urban conversation and not as a racial epitat.


  24. 24 | July 5, 2013 2:01 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I won’t go that far, but I won’t vote for Christie. In an interview with Sean Hannity, Christie made no bones about the fact that he has no respect for the Second Amendment (and really, by extension, the Bill of Rights) whatsoever. Hannity tried to get him to walk his statements back, and he would not. From that perspective, Hillary Clinton won’t be any worse. And she’s a Clinton. She saw what passing the AWB cost Bill. She wouldn’t do that to herself, not for all the Leftists in the world.


  25. Bumr50
    25 | July 5, 2013 2:01 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    Excellent move.

    I’m here with the in-laws in Flyer country at a Christmas Tree Shoppe.

    Ugh.


  26. 26 | July 5, 2013 2:02 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I still do not get why Zimmerman’s lawyers never asked for a Stand your ground hearing. Then again, this is the same lawyer that told a knock knock joke as an opening statement.


  27. lobo91
    27 | July 5, 2013 2:02 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I don’t care if you replace Zimmerman with George Wallace. Unless they have some evidence that he actually went out there and screamed a string of racial slurs at Martin that provoked him to attack (which nobody is claiming), it’s absolutely irrelevant.


  28. 28 | July 5, 2013 2:04 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Not to anybody that would talk about it. I avoid using it every way I can, but then I am of an age where that simply wasn’t used in polite conversation, even among friends. That was part of what made NWA so shocking when they first came out. They may have not been the first gangster rappers, but they were the first ones to make a big splash. The first ones I heard of, at any rate.


  29. 29 | July 5, 2013 2:06 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    You are part of the Republican base and I am not, so we have different perspective on this. In your case I can understand you voting for the GOP nominee in 2016 unless it is Christie. In my case I am not wanted in the GOP and have to go Libertarian. We have to make choices that reflect our best interest.

    The only thing I dread is hearing Hillary’s voice as President come 2017. I can’t stand that woman.


  30. 30 | July 5, 2013 2:08 pm

    @ Rodan:

    That’s explained in the piece by John Lott thaty I linked. “Stand Your Ground” has to do with your duty to retreat. Nobody denies that Zimmerman was on his back against the ground. It doesn’t matter what his duty to retreat was because it was a physical impossibility for him to actually do so. No need to have a hearing on that. The Prosecution isn’t arguing that Zimmerman had a duty to retreat. If they were, then maybe you have a hearing on “Stand Your Ground”, but you are still goin got present the arguement that Zimmerman was flat on his back against the groung. Where’s he going to retreat to, and how?


  31. 31 | July 5, 2013 2:09 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    NWA were the first ones to use that term and did it as mockery of its past racial insult. They took a negative and turned int into a symbol of defiance. The N word in NY was used as a term of endearment. Like what’s up My N*****. It was used by everyone Black, WHite, Latin Asian whatever. It was only considered offensive if it was used a racial epitat.


  32. 32 | July 5, 2013 2:10 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Ah Ok, that is why it was waived. But as you said,. if you are on your back, you can not retreat.


  33. lobo91
    33 | July 5, 2013 2:10 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Where’s he going to retreat to, and how?

    He obviously should have had a shovel


  34. 35 | July 5, 2013 2:12 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Use his feet to dig a hole?
    ////


  35. lobo91
    36 | July 5, 2013 2:12 pm

    The lawyers can’t seem to grasp the fact that this assistant ME has probably participated in hundreds of autopsies since the death of St Skittles.

    Oddly enough, he probably doesn’t recall every minute detail of every one of them.


  36. 37 | July 5, 2013 2:15 pm

    Obama made even more enemies.

    South American Leaders Demand Apology in Plane Row

    I thought the world would love us with Obama as President?
    /////


  37. 38 | July 5, 2013 2:15 pm

    @ lobo91:

    That’s why the judge should dismiss this case this afternoon when the prosecution rests. They really have nothing on Zimmerman. They have to show that Zimmerman had a “depraved indifference to human life” in his actions to prove Second Degree Murder, and I don’t see where they’ve produced even one witness that alledges that. The judge should dismiss the case, but given how accomodatig they’ve been to the prosecution thus far, I don’t expect that they will do that. Next comes the defense, though. There’s all kinds of reasonable doubt here. I just wonder, though, if the jury is going to want Zimmerman proven innocent beyond an unreasonable suspicion? If they go for reasonable doubt, this will be like my court case against my insurance company. When the jury gotthe case, they went back and voted for a foreman, took a preliminary vote, they were all on my side, and they returned their verdict. It didn’t take them thirty minutes to get the whole thing out of the way after two days of testimony. It took another four years for the case to get to the State Supreme Court, but I won there, too. I hate the legal system. It may be the best thing that we can come up with, but it surely does suck.


  38. 39 | July 5, 2013 2:17 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I saw that. Who’d have guessed?


  39. 40 | July 5, 2013 2:26 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I hope the Defense does not do a Knock knock joke.


  40. 41 | July 5, 2013 2:30 pm

    @ Rodan:

    No, surely not. He may think this is an open and shut case, and it really is, but you have to show the Jury you take them seriously. I’m no lawyer, but I’ve had enough psychology courses to know that much. At the end of the day, a man’s life is at stake here. His defense lawyer better get serious about that.


  41. waldensianspirit
    42 | July 5, 2013 2:30 pm

    CNN Walks It Back: Oops, Zimmerman Didn’t Say ‘Coon,’ He Said It Was ‘Cold’!

    Yet Weiner Nation says Zimmerman said the slur and thus should be convicted of murder


  42. rain of lead
    43 | July 5, 2013 2:36 pm

    ooops

    Shiver their timbers! State Dept. backtracks, admits Kerry ‘was briefly on his boat’

    http://twitchy.com/2013/07/05/shiver-their-timbers-state-dept-backtracks-admits-kerry-was-briefly-on-his-boat/


  43. 44 | July 5, 2013 2:38 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Like Lobo and I have already discussed, it really doesn’t matter what he said. It doesn’t matter if he’s a RAAAAACIST. He’s not on trial for racism, or at least he shouldn’t be. They have to show that Zimmerman had a “depraved indifference” to life to prove Second Degree Murder, and I don’t see where they’ve put on one witness to that effect. They are trying to convict him on racist inuendo over words that he didn’t say in the first place. That is desperate. This prosecutor really wants this conviction, because she sees it as her ticket to higher office. That goes away if Zimmerman walks.


  44. 45 | July 5, 2013 2:39 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    What difference, at this point, does it make?

    8O


  45. buzzsawmonkey
    47 | July 5, 2013 2:50 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Exactly what Nakoula Nakoula Maboola claimed when his video came to light after Benghazi.


  46. 48 | July 5, 2013 2:52 pm

    The Obama Boom you hear is th esound of the Middle East imploding:

    [snip]

    The United States may be permanently alienating the next generation of Turks, the ones with whom we really do want to be friends. When rumors that kids who are getting brutalized have been screaming, “Please help us, Obama” circulate over the Internet, followed by statements from our ambassador that the United States and Turkey share “the same ideas” about freedom and democracy, it confirms every suspicious instinct Turks have about the gulf between what America says about human rights and what we mean.

    Perhaps that should read: ” … the gulf between what Obama says about human rights and what Obama means.”.At any rate, the shambles littering North Africa to the Levant suggest that Ted Cruz’s description of the administration’s regional policy as “one of the most stunning diplomatic failures in recent memory” may be an understatement.

    Again, though, I have to say that I think Obama is generally getting what he wants out of the Middle East, which is a collapse of American power in the region. The Alinskyites are like that. They don’t care about building anything up. All they want to do is tear it all down.


  47. RIX
    49 | July 5, 2013 3:03 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    CNN Walks It Back: Oops, Zimmerman Didn’t Say ‘Coon,’ He Said It Was ‘Cold’!

    Yet Weiner Nation says Zimmerman said the slur and thus should be convicted of murder

    Doesn’t matter. Everyone knows that cold is dog whistle for Coon./


  48. Da_Beerfreak
    50 | July 5, 2013 3:03 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I think what is happening is a deliberate action on the part of the Regime to destroy trust in the United States, at home and abroad.


  49. waldensianspirit
    51 | July 5, 2013 3:05 pm

    And Obama is out clubbing little white balls


  50. waldensianspirit
    52 | July 5, 2013 3:08 pm

    @ RIX:
    Especially said with a shiver


  51. 53 | July 5, 2013 3:08 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I think this is a blessing in disguise. The less we have to do with the Mideast the better. Let them all kill each other.


  52. Da_Beerfreak
    54 | July 5, 2013 3:09 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Now if only lightning would strike…


  53. RIX
    55 | July 5, 2013 3:18 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Especially said with a shiver

    Oh yeah, that is absolutely the most racist way.


  54. buzzsawmonkey
    56 | July 5, 2013 3:19 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    And Obama is out clubbing little white balls

    He loves to smack white balls around.


  55. 57 | July 5, 2013 3:32 pm

    @ RIX:

    Everything is a dog whistle for something raaaaacist. Even ‘Dog whistle’.


  56. RIX
    58 | July 5, 2013 3:52 pm

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Everything is a dog whistle for something raaaaacist. Even ‘Dog whistle’.

    The term dog whistle is totally racist.
    Old slavers used dogs & probably whistled.
    “Dog Whistle”


  57. AZfederalist
    59 | July 5, 2013 3:55 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Apparently Savage was off his meds that day. Those were two of the most ignorant things I’ve ever heard a so-called conservative ever say.


  58. waldensianspirit
    60 | July 5, 2013 3:55 pm

    @ RIX:
    creepy-assed crackas!


  59. 61 | July 5, 2013 3:59 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    Like I said earlier, I’ve never liked Savage. I’ve always had the opinion that he “plays” a Conservative because that is where the money is in talk radio. He’s not like Rush or Hannity, who really believe what they are saying. Bill O”Reilly strikes me as the same way. I also think Savage sometimes say outrageous things just for the sake of saying outrageous things. This could be a case in point, oir it is possible he is so ignorant of self-defense matters that he thinks you really are supposed to carry without a round in the chamber. Because, after all, if you ever do have to use a gun in self-defense, it’s not like you will be under any time pressure… :roll:


  60. RIX
    62 | July 5, 2013 4:01 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ RIX:
    creepy-assed crackas!

    But that just means jolly good White fellow
    in the Hood.


  61. AZfederalist
    63 | July 5, 2013 4:16 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Like I said earlier, I’ve never liked Savage. I’ve always had the opinion that he “plays” a Conservative because that is where the money is in talk radio – See more at: http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2013/07/05/the-republican-establishmnet-tried-to-recruit-christie-for-2012/#comment-1231926

    I’ve had the same thoughts. If I turn on the radio and he’s on, it’s an automatic station switch. I think he is the dude that Levin refers to as “One of the backbenchers”


  62. waldensianspirit
    64 | July 5, 2013 4:29 pm

    @ AZfederalist:
    And as the Weiner Nation


  63. waldensianspirit
    65 | July 5, 2013 4:30 pm

    RIX wrote:

    But that just means jolly good White fellow
    in the Hood.

    With sagging posterior


  64. buzzsawmonkey
    66 | July 5, 2013 4:35 pm

    There’s No Trial Like a Show Trial
    —apologies to Irving Berlin and “There’s No Business Like Show Business”

    There’s no trial like a show trial
    Like no trial that I know
    Before the trial everything has been vetted
    To determine what the picked judge will allow
    You’ll know who is in charge—and don’t forget it!—
    Because dissent must at all costs be cowed
    There’s no DA like a show DA
    There’s no blow that’s too low
    Even when the evidence is transparent
    Lackeys looking to please the President
    Are determined that they’ll railroad the defendant
    Let’s go! On with the show!


  65. RIX
    67 | July 5, 2013 4:47 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    But that just means jolly good White fellow
    in the Hood.

    With sagging posterior

    Zacty.


  66. yenta-fada
    68 | July 5, 2013 4:50 pm

    OT In case you were wondering how the foist family was leading the nation in celebrating July 4.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/obama-family-welcomes-fun-rock-white-house-july-4th-bbq-article-1.1390054


  67. yenta-fada
    69 | July 5, 2013 4:53 pm

    Lurch caught sneaking onto his yacht in Nantucket. NTTAWWT. funny photo though.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/john-kerry-chills-exclusive-nantucket-retreat-article-1.1391014


  68. 70 | July 5, 2013 4:56 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Savage even lost his San Francisco audience. When he left KSFO, his flagship station, and went to KNEW, his audience for the most part, stayed with KSFO as they moved Mark Levin’s show to the slot and it was now LIVE instead of a rebroadcast later in the evening. His show is sinking lower and lower in the ratings — even being part of Cumulus isn’t saving him (see Mike Huckabee for their brilliant programming ideas).

    Savage has consistently supported and donated to Jerry Brown over the last 8 years – doesn’t sound like a conservative to me. I’ve met Savage – we saw him in an S.F. bar and spoke to him for a few minutes – his whole attitude seemed to be “aren’t you thrilled and honored that I’m giving you any attention at all?”


  69. 71 | July 5, 2013 5:09 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Like I said, I’ve never liked him. And this specific thing is hyper asinine. If you are going to carry a gun, you carry it ready to go. You don’t Barney Fife it and carry your ammunition separate from the gun. The way these modern guns are made, they don’t have separate safeties. This little Ket-tec is apparently that way. A Glock is the same way. Glocks are the most common gun used by law enforcement. So Zimmerman wasn’t doing anything especially different than the cops. As I’ve said before, to prove second degree murder they have to prove depraved indifference to life. I don’t see that they’ve even presented evidence to that effect.


  70. heysoos
    72 | July 5, 2013 5:10 pm

    RODAAAN!
    I need you


  71. 73 | July 5, 2013 5:16 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Also, I don’t know what audiotape Savage was listening to, but wasn’t it also shown that the Zimmerman did NOT use the words ascribed to him?


  72. darkwords
    74 | July 5, 2013 5:17 pm

    Bolivian Salt Desert


  73. RIX
    75 | July 5, 2013 5:21 pm

    Ok, Beckel on the Five has again made ass out of
    himself.
    Jessee Waters gave an excellent synopsis of the
    Zimmerman Case.
    Then Beckel snarked, “That is an excellent summary”
    & then words the effect, “Is this all you have to do
    with your life?
    But wait, he wasn’t finished. He admitted that he is
    not following trial at all, & goes on to say ,”I thought
    that Zimmerman is guilty from the beginning & still do”
    Why do they put him on the air?


  74. AZfederalist
    76 | July 5, 2013 5:23 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    his whole attitude seemed to be “aren’t you thrilled and honored that I’m giving you any attention at all?” – See more at: http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2013/07/05/the-republican-establishmnet-tried-to-recruit-christie-for-2012/#comment-1231933

    Hearing him on the air, I can totally see that. Doesn’t come across as at all humble, he comes across as someone who wants to impress you with his superior knowledge. .. and not in the way it is a shtick with Rush, he really does want to exude that aura of superiority.


  75. darkwords
    77 | July 5, 2013 5:24 pm

    If John Kerry can so easily lie about not being on his boat?????


  76. heysoos
    78 | July 5, 2013 5:26 pm

    looks like the generals are intent on shutting down the MB street goons…body count is now 17
    http://www.cnn.com/


  77. AZfederalist
    79 | July 5, 2013 5:26 pm

    @ RIX:

    Why do they put him on the air?

    It’s supposed to show “balance”, whatever that means


  78. 80 | July 5, 2013 5:27 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Yes CNN admitted that some time ago. CNN has been trying to taint the jury pool on this case from the beginning. Did you see where they broadcast Zimmerman’s SSN? Scum of the earth.


  79. heysoos
    81 | July 5, 2013 5:27 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    If John Kerry can so easily lie about not being on his boat?????

    for a liberal, “where were you?” is a multiple answer question


  80. RIX
    82 | July 5, 2013 5:30 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    If John Kerry can so easily lie about not being on his boat?????

    But in fairness, don’t ell spend too much time on
    our yachts?
    Kerry is just common folk./


  81. 83 | July 5, 2013 5:30 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    He tried to drum up this idea that the leftists were out to kill him in San Francisco and showed up to a rally in some hokey armored vehicle. Meanwhile, during this same period Ken Hamblin shows up at a book signing in a nearby park without incident or protest, and the event had been promoted for weeks.

    He started out interesting, but got caught up in his own celebrity and overvalued his worth – which is why he left KSFO – he thought he was worth far more than he was. I had no problem with that – but when he was supporting JERRY BROWN – tuned him out permanently.


  82. RIX
    84 | July 5, 2013 5:31 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Why do they put him on the air?

    It’s supposed to show “balance”, whatever that means

    Right, but they should balance it with somebody
    who at least prepares.


  83. 85 | July 5, 2013 5:31 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I believe Zimmerman also has a suit pending against NBC for altering the tape in an attempt to paint him as a racist, but I will need to look further on that. I’m still catching up on what I’ve missed in the past two weeks.


  84. yenta-fada
    86 | July 5, 2013 5:33 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    If John Kerry can so easily lie about not being on his boat?????

    Another commercial for learning to be as self reliant as possible.
    I do believe that includes all countries, not only the U.S.


  85. 87 | July 5, 2013 5:33 pm

    @ RIX:
    Now now. I have it on good authority that Bob Beckel sucks a mean dick. Thus, he has employment. He really is just a high priced whore, though.


  86. buzzsawmonkey
    88 | July 5, 2013 5:34 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Read recently—in the last few days—that California’s Hispanic population is now at least equal to its white population.

    May I suggest that the state flag be re-designed, with the bear on its back, Zimmerman style, and the Mexican eagle atop it Trayvon style with one claw on the bear’s throat?

    Both the California and the Mexico flags have red, white and green in the field, so that should work out well.


  87. RIX
    89 | July 5, 2013 5:35 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Now now. I have it on good authority that Bob Beckel sucks a mean dick. Thus, he has employment. He really is just a high priced whore, though.

    The guy is a bufoon.


  88. heysoos
    90 | July 5, 2013 5:36 pm

    RIX wrote:

    AZfederalist wrote:
    @ RIX:
    Why do they put him on the air?
    It’s supposed to show “balance”, whatever that means

    Right, but they should balance it with somebody
    who at least prepares.

    he’s prepared to make money for his masters…all it takes is to watch that station…honesty has nothing to do with it


  89. 91 | July 5, 2013 5:37 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Yeah I think Zimmerman can prove actual malice against NBC if it goes to court.


  90. heysoos
    92 | July 5, 2013 5:39 pm

    when you watch Beckel, you support Beckel…that’s what the sponsors want to hear…
    cha ching!


  91. heysoos
    93 | July 5, 2013 5:40 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Yeah I think Zimmerman can prove actual malice against NBC if it goes to court.

    better not…losing a lawsuit could ruin his chances to star in his own movie


  92. RIX
    94 | July 5, 2013 5:44 pm

    he’s prepared to make money for his masters…all it takes is to watch that station…honesty has nothing to do with it
    @ heysoos:

    Beckel knows that The Five discusses current events.
    He can have any opinion that he wants, but he is
    expected to be informed


  93. 95 | July 5, 2013 5:47 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Yep, I see that – 39% white and 39% Hispanic – but I don’t know if that includes legal and ILLEGAL residents – although since California has no voter ID law, it wouldn’t matter anyway.

    Considering how accommodating we have to be to illegals in this state, I think we should submit your flag design to the Sacramento legislature – they’re such pandering assholes they’ll probably think it’s COOOOOOOL.


  94. 96 | July 5, 2013 5:49 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Zimmerman doesn’t need malice – being a defendant doesn’t make him a public figure under Sullivan which would require proving malice. This is LIBEL and SLANDER, pure and simple.


  95. heysoos
    97 | July 5, 2013 5:57 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    the new flag of Californiastan will be a bright red taco, embossed with a sickle and hammer


  96. RIX
    98 | July 5, 2013 5:57 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    What does Zimmerman need to bring a Malicious
    Prosecution suit?


  97. 99 | July 5, 2013 6:01 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Then NBC should save on. The lawyers and settle up, because they altered the order of his words to make him appear racist. That also leads to tainting the jury, as did that picture of Trayvon at twelve that his parents put out of him.


  98. yenta-fada
    100 | July 5, 2013 6:03 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    What does Zimmerman need to bring a Malicious
    Prosecution suit?

    I certainly hope he gets money from somewhere. He needs to change his name and have plastic surgery in order to have any kind of life after this debacle.


  99. 101 | July 5, 2013 6:04 pm

    @ RIX:

    Off the top of my head I don’t know, but I’ll be honest with you, if it were me, I’d certainly give it a go. The police and DA initially didn’t see any charges and it was only after the jimmied up public outcry MONTHS later and in response to the poverty pimps demanding charges that he was brought up. The fact that they completely overreached by charging him with Murder Two would tell me this was not a case brought based on the circumstances and the evidence but in response to a call for blood by the populace. People magazine putting a picture of Trayvon at the age of 12 looking like a Sunday School angel helped feed the public rage. That was journalistic malpractice at its worst.


  100. heysoos
    102 | July 5, 2013 6:05 pm

    the First Amendment is getting pounded…it’s only a matter of time before something blows sky high


  101. 103 | July 5, 2013 6:06 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I see where Jerry Brown is claiming credit for requesting the 30-day contract “extension” putting BART back on the rails today. Nice of him, since he’s the asshat who pushed public unions in California in the first place.


  102. RIX
    104 | July 5, 2013 6:07 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    What does Zimmerman need to bring a Malicious
    Prosecution suit?

    I certainly hope he gets money from somewhere. He needs to change his name and have plastic surgery in order to have any kind of life after this debacle.

    True,he will be a marked man.


  103. 105 | July 5, 2013 6:07 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Indeed – and it would appear the other nine are going to be kicked around the block a couple times before this administration is through.


  104. heysoos
    106 | July 5, 2013 6:09 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    I blame Filo Farnsworth…
    what was he thinking?


  105. 107 | July 5, 2013 6:10 pm

    @ RIX:

    And I’m sick of this “I’m gonna riot” if they don’t get the result they want. They should be told if they do, they’ll be shot on sight.

    Because unlike South Central, folks, Floridians are armed.


  106. 108 | July 5, 2013 6:12 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Philo probably thought he was inventing something to keep the public informed. Like General Sarnoff.


  107. RIX
    109 | July 5, 2013 6:13 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    The State saw know probable cause to charge
    Zimmerman at the time.
    43 days later suddenly they find probable cause after
    pressure from the race industry.
    The States Attorney, Angela Corey is a political
    opportunist.
    If this was White on White , or Black on Black, or
    Black on White crime, we would no nothing about it.


  108. yenta-fada
    110 | July 5, 2013 6:14 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Good summary of the army of malfeasants. (is that a word?) I don’t know the legal system, but there must be lawyers who would take Zimmerman’s case on a contingency basis.


  109. RIX
    111 | July 5, 2013 6:15 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ RIX:

    And I’m sick of this “I’m gonna riot” if they don’t get the result they want. They should be told if they do, they’ll be shot on sight.

    Because unlike South Central, folks, Floridians are armed.

    Yeah, go ahead & riot & we’ll come down hard.


  110. heysoos
    112 | July 5, 2013 6:17 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Philo probably thought he was inventing something to keep the public informed. Like General Sarnoff.

    pretty remarkable achievement…the worlds most effective propaganda device…stupifying the masses while getting filthy rich…legal dope


  111. 113 | July 5, 2013 6:17 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Did you see the link I put up earlier on the Third Amendment violation? That’s something you don’t see every day.


  112. yenta-fada
    114 | July 5, 2013 6:22 pm

    @ RIX:

    People in Brazil rioted in the thousands when the public transit fare went up by 10 cents or something. The economic pressures have put crowds in the streets all over the world. The initiating events end up taking a back seat to many frustrations.


  113. 115 | July 5, 2013 6:23 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    In this thread? I’ll look for it.

    @ heysoos:

    But did they really see it at the time as that, Heysoos? Or did they see a way to bring entertainment, sports, etc. to people for free? It was to radio, in many ways, as talkies were to the movie industry – a vast improvement over the current entertainment/information conveyance at the time.

    Although, I DO shudder to think what Hitler, Mussolini would have done with it.


  114. 116 | July 5, 2013 6:23 pm

    @ RIX:
    They won’t riot around where I live. It wouldn’t be very survivable. Something on the order of 80% of the homeowners in my area have guns. We outnumber them and we are armed.


  115. buzzsawmonkey
    117 | July 5, 2013 6:23 pm

    RIX wrote:

    If this was White on White , or Black on Black, or
    Black on White crime, we would no nothing about it.

    Given that Zimmerman is, apparently, 1/4 black (damn the Democrats for bringing back the one-drop rule!), it really was a “black on black” shooting, or close enough.

    The only reason this case has gone forward is that it took place in Florida, and Al Sharpton, when he saw the name “Zimmerman,” thought “Florida + Zimmerman = Joooo. Hot damn!”


  116. 118 | July 5, 2013 6:24 pm

    Last thread I think. I’m on my phone or I’d give you a link.
    @ Carolina Girl:


  117. RIX
    119 | July 5, 2013 6:25 pm
    Malicious prosecution is a common law intentional tort, while like the tort of abuse of process, its elements include (1) intentionally (and maliciously) instituting and pursuing (or causing to be instituted or pursued) a legal action (civil or criminal) that is (2) brought without probable cause and (3) dismissed in favor of the victim of the malicious prosecution. In some jurisdictions, the term “malicious prosecution” denotes the wrongful initiation of criminal proceedings, while the term “malicious use of process” denotes the wrongful initiation of civil proceedings.
    Wiki@ Carolina Girl:

    So , It looks like a finding that this was brought for reasons
    other than probable cause, Zimmerman may have an action.
    But, he has to win his case.


  118. 120 | July 5, 2013 6:27 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Think about Hitler with the modern surveillance state in hand. What the NSA has been doing is far from harmless .


  119. RIX
    121 | July 5, 2013 6:29 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    If this was White on White , or Black on Black, or
    Black on White crime, we would no nothing about it.

    Given that Zimmerman is, apparently, 1/4 black (damn the Democrats for bringing back the one-drop rule!), it really was a “black on black” shooting, or close enough.

    The only reason this case has gone forward is that it took place in Florida, and Al Sharpton, when he saw the name “Zimmerman,” thought “Florida + Zimmerman = Joooo. Hot damn!”

    Yeah, Rev Al probably thought that Zimmerman
    was Jewish. Jesse & Al seem to have a problem
    in that area.
    This is just too irresistible to the race hustlers.
    That includes the MSM, what is a White Hispanic?


  120. RIX
    122 | July 5, 2013 6:31 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    They won’t riot around where I live. It wouldn’t be very survivable. Something on the order of 80% of the homeowners in my area have guns. We outnumber them and we are armed.

    Chicago could go crazy, but I don’t think so.
    If Obama would not have been reelected, I think
    that it would really have hit the fan.


  121. 123 | July 5, 2013 6:32 pm

    Although as far as prosecutorial misconduct and malicious prosecution goes, I think Nifong set the bar pretty high for malfeasance with his handling of the Duke LAX case.


  122. RIX
    125 | July 5, 2013 6:36 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Nifong proved to be a world class scumbag.


  123. 126 | July 5, 2013 6:36 pm

    @ Calo:

    Thanks!


  124. brookly red
    127 | July 5, 2013 6:38 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Nifong proved to be a world class scumbag.

    Nifong? sounds like a river in Laos…


  125. buzzsawmonkey
    128 | July 5, 2013 6:39 pm

    RIX wrote:

    That includes the MSM, what is a White Hispanic?

    A “White Hispanic” is “Ooops, we don’t have a Jew—and he’s actually a member of another favored minority! We have to concoct a description that will let us continue to drum up hatred, so we’ll pretend he’s not a member of a favored minority group!”


  126. 129 | July 5, 2013 6:42 pm

    @ Calo:
    @ Iron Fist:

    Ditto on the thanks!
    All I can say is HOLY S**T!!! I thought of all 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights, that was the only one they couldn’t violate!!!!


  127. brookly red
    130 | July 5, 2013 6:42 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    That includes the MSM, what is a White Hispanic?

    A “White Hispanic” is “Ooops, we don’t have a Jew—and he’s actually a member of another favored minority! We have to concoct a description that will let us continue to drum up hatred, so we’ll pretend he’s not a member of a favored minority group!”

    funny I just had to fill out the EEO HR forms and guess what, no white hispanic box to check…


  128. 131 | July 5, 2013 6:43 pm

    @ RIX:

    Hell, he was DISBARRED over this and went to effing jail for contempt. Duke LAX defendants have sued him in civil court.


  129. brookly red
    132 | July 5, 2013 6:46 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Calo:
    @ Iron Fist:

    Ditto on the thanks!
    All I can say is HOLY S**T!!! I thought of all 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights, that was the only one they couldn’t violate!!!!

    well technically they aren’t troops… but I think the intent of the law is clear.


  130. 133 | July 5, 2013 6:48 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    You really think Hispanics are favored? That is news to me, both political parties hate us and our history has been eliminated from textbooks. If that is favoritism, then I have some beachfront property in Vegas for sale. One dollar per acre! :-)


  131. 134 | July 5, 2013 6:48 pm

    @ brookly red:

    As militarized as our law enforcement has become, I challenge you to draw a bright line between the police and the troops.


  132. RIX
    135 | July 5, 2013 6:49 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Nifong proved to be a world class scumbag.

    Nifong? sounds like a river in Laos…

    Where John Kerry spent Christmas on year.
    “It’s seared into my brain!”


  133. 136 | July 5, 2013 6:49 pm

    @ brookly red:

    So what are Spaniards, Black?


  134. RIX
    137 | July 5, 2013 6:50 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    That includes the MSM, what is a White Hispanic?

    A “White Hispanic” is “Ooops, we don’t have a Jew—and he’s actually a member of another favored minority! We have to concoct a description that will let us continue to drum up hatred, so we’ll pretend he’s not a member of a favored minority group!”

    And that is why he was referred to that way.


  135. buzzsawmonkey
    138 | July 5, 2013 6:50 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    You really think Hispanics are favored?

    In a situation like this? You bet. They wouldn’t have started the “white Hispanic” bullshit with Zimmerman if they weren’t trying to make him “white” in Leftist-world instead of “Hispanic.”


  136. 139 | July 5, 2013 6:51 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Go to drudge, good article on the militarization of cops.


  137. brookly red
    140 | July 5, 2013 6:51 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    As militarized as our law enforcement has become, I challenge you to draw a bright line between the police and the troops.

    I hear you… http://www.timesdispatch.com/opinion/our-opinion/columnists-blogs/bart-hinkle/hinkle-commit-any-felonies-lately/article_58344fc1-7d4f-584a-8d16-36a1b1f2cdc0.html


  138. RIX
    141 | July 5, 2013 6:53 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Hell, he was DISBARRED over this and went to effing jail for contempt. Duke LAX defendants have sued him in civil court.

    They messed with the wrong people.
    The Duke kids came from families of means,
    that could fight back.
    Nifong had one kid on an ATM tape away from
    the apartment at the time of the alleged crime.
    He wouldn’t even dismiss that kid.


  139. 142 | July 5, 2013 6:53 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I saw that. Over bottled water. Chicklet is lucky one of the Keystone Kops didn’t shoot her. I look at law enforcement and say why bother having permits? Let everybody carry guns. I don’t care how messed up you are, the cops are worse.


  140. 143 | July 5, 2013 6:54 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    White Hispanics do not exist I guess. I will tell my blue eyed pale skinned Galician Cousin he is black.


  141. 144 | July 5, 2013 6:54 pm

    @ Rodan:

    They certainly have no trouble slandering Ted Cruz, do they?


  142. brookly red
    145 | July 5, 2013 6:55 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    So what are Spaniards, Black?

    No Spaniards are white, that is the point. White Hispanic is like saying White Polish… Back in the Jim Crow days Filipinos were considered legally White as the were Spanish subjects.


  143. brookly red
    146 | July 5, 2013 6:58 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    White Hispanics do not exist I guess. I will tell my blue eyed pale skinned Galician Cousin he is black.

    Your getting it twisted, it’s not that Hispanics aren’t White, it that the media had to point it out to stir the pot.


  144. 147 | July 5, 2013 7:01 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Gun control is about the police state.


  145. 148 | July 5, 2013 7:02 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Oh, and remember that Three Felonies a Day thing whe n they say that they just want to keep felons from buying a gun. MArtha Stewart is a convicted felon. Are we really, seriously worried about her buying a pistol? Seriously?


  146. 149 | July 5, 2013 7:02 pm

    @ Rodan:

    And the idea of subjects rather than citizens.


  147. RIX
    150 | July 5, 2013 7:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    Gun control is about the police state.

    Ain’t nothin else.


  148. buzzsawmonkey
    151 | July 5, 2013 7:05 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    White Hispanics do not exist I guess. I will tell my blue eyed pale skinned Galician Cousin he is black.

    Brookly said it very well in #146.

    More to the point, the obsession with “whiteness” is a Leftist thing, because to the Left “white” = “fair game.” Appending “white” to Zimmerman’s ethnicity was painting a target on his back—for the media, for Obama’s racist enforcers, for the racists in the law-enforcement apparatus of the state of Florida, for the racists in the black community. It has nothing to do with actual “race”, national origin, or skin tone.

    That said, if you will excuse my saying so you tend to ride the “race” hobby horse a little too hard. I’ve known plenty of Hispanics over the years; some look European, some look muy indio, some look black, some look a little mix-and-match. Big freaking deal; content of character, not color of the skin. Obsessing about race is playing the Left’s game.


  149. RIX
    152 | July 5, 2013 7:08 pm

    @ Rodan:
    What the MSM was trying to do is frame Zimmerman as
    a racist cracka. Ergo the convolute descition.


  150. 153 | July 5, 2013 7:08 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    After all, we’ve never heard Obama described by the media as a “White” African-American.


  151. 154 | July 5, 2013 7:09 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I am still bugging out over Mongolian Nazis. Is that why Charles banned you. :Wink:


  152. 155 | July 5, 2013 7:10 pm

    @ RIX:

    I have to say I’m pretty surprised that we haven’t heard more from the Hispanic community (I know that Hispanic is broad and covering a lot of nationalities, but still) on the railroading of this man. Maybe that was a subliminal message the media was also trying to send — “he’s not really one of you. He’s White.” Just an observation and impression – nothing more….


  153. RIX
    156 | July 5, 2013 7:11 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    What the MSM was trying to do is frame Zimmerman as
    a racist cracka. Ergo the convolute descition.

    God, I should proof before I submit.
    Later Gators.


  154. 157 | July 5, 2013 7:11 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Or Theresa Heinze Kerry as a White African, even though, for the record, that is exactly what she is.


  155. brookly red
    158 | July 5, 2013 7:11 pm

    @ Rodan:
    @ Carolina Girl:

    btw, a sniper shot and wounded a NYPD officer from the roof, or upper floor of an East New York housing project last night… I have a feeling it wasn’t a Tea Party type.


  156. 159 | July 5, 2013 7:12 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I thought it was over the Great Racist Hunan Chicken incident (another reason I’ll be happy to be back at work on Monday – my first move will be to pick up Henry’s Hunan at lunch).

    And I’ll stay with the open invitation to any of you showing up in San Francisco — lunch/dinner at Henry’s on me.


  157. 160 | July 5, 2013 7:15 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I would describe Charles as translucent. :lol: Although he probably thinks he is black. Hey did you see on dod my post on Mongolian Nazis? I think the world is voinv to end.


  158. buzzsawmonkey
    161 | July 5, 2013 7:17 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Hey did you see on dod my post on Mongolian Nazis?

    No, I’ll have to check it out. I’ve had some connectivity problems and some distractions lately—got into a big argument or two on the SSM issue over at National Review, so I haven’t been around so much.


  159. brookly red
    162 | July 5, 2013 7:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    I am still bugging out over Mongolian Nazis. Is that why Charles banned you. :Wink:

    Hunan is not Mongolian don’t get it twisted…

    But I do kinda understand the White Hispanic thing. I sometimes date a woman from the DR who’s father was German. She considers her self White, but she has nappy hair and is much darker than a paper bag… personally I think there maybe some Haitian in her family tree but would be risking my life telling her that.


  160. 163 | July 5, 2013 7:21 pm

    @ Rodan:

    That was hysterical. I can envision Magic Jazzy Ponytail duct taping his head after reading that.


  161. 164 | July 5, 2013 7:22 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Dont go there with the Haitian thing with her. :lol:


  162. brookly red
    165 | July 5, 2013 7:25 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I would describe Charles as translucent. Although he probably thinks he is black. Hey did you see on dod my post on Mongolian Nazis? I think the world is voinv to end.

    well Charles is available in translucent as well as a variety of colors, ribbed, lubricated, flavored etc. There are many kinds of Charles…


  163. heysoos
    166 | July 5, 2013 7:27 pm

    Rodan,
    I need help…my account over at DOD is messed up and I cannot log in. for whatever reason, probably my own stupidity…I need my account deleted so I can re-register, or whatever it takes…can you help me?


  164. brookly red
    167 | July 5, 2013 7:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Dont go there with the Haitian thing with her.

    no shit.


  165. 168 | July 5, 2013 7:29 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I did a pro bono about eight years ago representing three Haitian women who had been tortured by some animal connected with the Haitian military who is now in jail in upstate New York (fled to U.S.). I forget his name now, but I was sickened by the testimony.


  166. heysoos
    169 | July 5, 2013 7:29 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    Dont go there with the Haitian thing with her.

    no shit.

    two words…
    voo doo


  167. 171 | July 5, 2013 7:35 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    k
    Haiti is a tragedy. It was tge world’s only succesful slave revolt.


  168. 172 | July 5, 2013 7:36 pm

    New Thread


  169. heysoos
    173 | July 5, 2013 7:36 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    For what it’s worth, here’s a link to my case.
    http://ccrjustice.org/newsroom/press-releases/%2419-million-judgment-upheld-against-notorious-haitian-death-squad-leader-%E2%80%9Cto

    ‘former CIA informent’…not a safe position to be in


  170. brookly red
    174 | July 5, 2013 7:36 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    k
    Haiti is a tragedy. It was tge world’s only succesful slave revolt.

    unless you consider Moses and the Exodus :)


  171. 175 | July 5, 2013 7:38 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I couldn’t believe that that went on in this day and age. I also couldn’t believe that this monster got in the U.S.


  172. buzzsawmonkey
    176 | July 5, 2013 7:44 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Haiti is a tragedy. It was tge world’s only succesful slave revolt.

    It’s a pretty sad definition of “success” to be a trainwreck of a nation for 200 years.


  173. brookly red
    177 | July 5, 2013 7:44 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    I couldn’t believe that that went on in this day and age. I also couldn’t believe that this monster got in the U.S.

    why not? it’s not like we have border control…


  174. brookly red
    178 | July 5, 2013 7:46 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    Haiti is a tragedy. It was tge world’s only succesful slave revolt.

    It’s a pretty sad definition of “success” to be a trainwreck of a nation for 200 years.

    it even sadder after 200 years.


  175. heysoos
    179 | July 5, 2013 7:48 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    actually, the Maroon revolts in Jamaica predated the Haiti mess by several decades…the Maroons were never defeated


  176. heysoos
    180 | July 5, 2013 7:50 pm

    history is such a nuisance


  177. buzzsawmonkey
    181 | July 5, 2013 7:57 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    the Maroons were never defeated

    We’ve got a real Maroon in the White House, who’s won two elections…


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