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Majority of Hispanics support Enforcement First approach to Immigration

by Rodan ( 53 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Communism, Conservatism, Democratic Party, Immigration, Leftist-Islamic Alliance, Multiculturalism, Nazism, Progressives, Republican Party, Socialism, Tea Parties, The Political Right, Tranzis at July 10th, 2013 - 7:00 am

Demagogues in both the Republican and Democrat Party treat the Immigration issue like political football. The Open borders Amnesty one world and La Raza/Mecha types on the Left call any Immigration enforcement racist. The Know Nothing element on the Right have turned an issue of legality into one of demonizing the entire Hispanic community as evil space monsters from Mars taking their virginal daughters. The extremists on both sides damage honest and rational problem solving on the immigration issue. One thing both sides claim is that Hispanics support amnesty and open borders, that is further from the truth.

A new poll out shows that 60% of Hispanics support an enforcement first approach to immigration. A majority also believe illegals should not have access to welfare benefits.  A majority also favor strengthening the border with fencing, more police and drones.

A majority of Hispanic adults, 57%, support tougher enforcement of the border to keep

A majority of Hispanic adults, 57%, support giving employers an e-verify system to find out if a job applicant is lawfully in the U.S. or not. Only 35% oppose e-verify. Among Hispanic voters 64% supported e-verify and only
29 % are opposed.
 
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A majority of Hispanic adults, 51%, support strengthening the enforcement of the border to stop illegal immigration with additional fencing, police, surveillance drones and other measures. 43% opposed. However, among Hispanic voters, majority support widens to 55% and 42% oppose
The majority of Hispanic adults, 54%, support requiring that we reach a goal of stopping 90% of the undocumented immigration in the future; 38% opposed. Among Hispanic voters, six in ten, 59% supported the 90% goal and 36% opposed.
Among all Hispanics, six in ten, 60%, support granting legal status to those already here only when the 90% goal is reached; 32% oppose. Among Hispanic voters, 60% support, 34% oppose.
 

Among all Hispanic adults the majority, 51%, support stopping undocumented immigrants who are already here from getting food stamps, welfare, Medicaid, and Obamacare benefits while they are going through the legalization process and before the 90% goal is reached; 42% oppose. Among Hispanic voters, 56% support and 40% oppose
The majority of Hispanic adults, 56%, support an immigration reform bill that lets undocumented immigrants stay in the country legally, but not to get welfare or
food stamps, spends billions to stop new undocumented
immigrants from coming in, and lets undocumented immigrants get green cards and permanent citizenship only after the flow of undocumented immigrants is cut by 90% and only if they pay a fine and learn English; 35%
oppose.
This poll destroys many narratives, hence why with the exception of National Review, it has not gotten much discussion or traction on either Conservative nor Progressive websites. It does not fit either side’s narrative about the Hispanic view on Immigration. The truth is Hispanic’s views on immigration are not all that different from the public at large.
 
There is some bad news for Republicans and one that does not shock me as I see it in my own family. Thanks to the bigoted rhetoric of people like Ann Coulter and Steve King which is enabled by the Progressive media, Hispanics do not like the GOP. They view it and with reason as hostile to them.
Among all Hispanic adults two in three, 65%, believe that the Republican Party discriminates against Latinos and Hispanics. Only 22% said no and 13% didn’t know.
When asked if they think that “the Republican Party cares about people like you”, only one in four Hispanic adults, 27%, said yes. Six in ten, 61%, said no and 12% didn’t know.
When asked if they thought that “Republicans want to stop immigration because they don’t want more Latinos or Hispanics to come to the U.S.”, almost two-thirds of all Hispanic adults, 62%, said yes. Only 27% said no and 11% didn’t know.

This is not fair perception of the part of Hispanics. But many Republicans either engage in hostile vitriolic rhetoric against Hispanics or just tolerate it. The Progressive media and the Democrats play up this rhetoric to create bad blood between Republicans and Hispanics. The result is that many Hispanics who might be open to voting Republican or did at one point, do not. People will not vote for a party perceived to hate them, even though their views on Immigration mirror that of most Republicans. Being against Illegal Immigration equate hating Hispanics and that is something republicans need to stress. The voices of hate who are in my opinion false flaggers need to silenced and the issue needs to become one of legality.

Sadly this poll will be forgotten and instead we will continue to have the vitriolic debate being engaged by elements in both parties. The Transnational Progressive One world open borders crowd and their La Raza/Mecha allies will continue to paint any opponent of illegal immigration or those who call for more border security as racist or the coming of the 4th Reich. The Know Nothings who are silent about Islamic Immigration will continue with this Hispanics are evil Nazi like monsters invading, looting and conquering all before them. These Hispanic conquerors existed 500 years ago, so these know nothings are a few centuries too late in this warning.

Nothing will be done on this issue and we will still be talking about it in 2020 probably. In the meantime the name calling and division caused by extremists on both sides will continue to allow them make money of this issue. Big Business will continue have cheap labor and our borders will not be secured. The real losers in all this are the American people and that is the biggest tragedy of all!

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  1. MikeA
    1 | July 10, 2013 7:28 am

    Did they poll white-hispanics or the hispanic-hispanics?


  2. 2 | July 10, 2013 7:36 am

    @ MikeA:

    Puce-hispanics! Seriously, though, this is good news. And it should serve as a wake-up call to the weak-kneed in the House that want to pass Schumer-Rubio. All you have to know about that is that Schumer’s name is on it. If Schumer wants it, it is bad for America.


  3. 3 | July 10, 2013 8:22 am

    I generally see this as a bad idea:

    Reuters) -- Mental health advocates are worried that the privacy of people who have received treatment for their illnesses could be jeopardized by a White House push to expand a database used to run background checks on gun buyers.

    President Barack Obama said he wants to see state governments contribute more names of people barred from buying guns to the database, part of a sweeping set of executive actions he announced after a gunman killed 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, in December.

    The database, called the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, is used by gun dealers to check whether a potential buyer is prohibited from owning a gun.

    I think it will do more to discourage people from gettin gtreatment than anything else. It wouldn’t have stopped Adam Lanza from getting his guns. Nothing that they can do would have stopped Adam Lanza from getting his guns. As with violent felons, the answer to the violently mentally ill is to remove them from the streets. Invvoluntary comittal to a mental hospital takes care of the threat that they pose to themselves or others, and gets them into treatment. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to see that. Likewise the problem of violent felons gettin gguns. If you don’t release violent felons who are a danger to the society from prison, they won’t be able to get guns and kill people. You don’t need some vast, intrusive government bureaucracy to do that. The Background Check thing is a feel-good measure that in reality only inconveniences the law-abiding gun owner, and it is subject to abuse. It is against Federal Law to keep a computerized database of gun owners, but do you really believe that the government is abiding by this law? I don’t. I’m sure they keep an electronic record of everyone who goes through the background check. They aren’t registering guns. They don’t, I do not believe, get the information about gun or guns you are purchasing. They are registering gun owners. They’ll still know the first places to go when they issue their confiscation orders.


  4. 4 | July 10, 2013 8:26 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ MikeA:
    Puce-hispanics! Seriously, though, this is good news. And it should serve as a wake-up call to the weak-kneed in the House that want to pass Schumer-Rubio. All you have to know about that is that Schumer’s name is on it. If Schumer wants it, it is bad for America.

    This poll destroys many myths being perpretared by both sides. What hurts the GOP with Hispanics is not being against illegal immigration, it’s the rhetoric that is spotlighted by the media.


  5. 5 | July 10, 2013 8:27 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    As with violent felons, the answer to the violently mentally ill is to remove them from the streets. Invvoluntary comittal to a mental hospital takes care of the threat that they pose to themselves or others, and gets them into treatment.

    The only issue I see with this is the ability to abuse it.


  6. 6 | July 10, 2013 8:27 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    This is a trick and creating gun control by labeling people “crazy.” This is a Marxist tactic.


  7. 7 | July 10, 2013 8:28 am

    @ PaladinPhil:

    It’s backdoor gun control. If you believe in God, they will label you crazy.


  8. 8 | July 10, 2013 8:30 am

    Michelle fields rips Mancoulter a new one.


  9. 9 | July 10, 2013 8:38 am

    @ PaladinPhil:

    That is a problem, but you have the same thing, really, in the criminal justice system. Look at that Nakuloua guy that Obama has improsoned for blasphemy against the Prophet Mohammed. There is potential for abuse, but there is much less potential for abuse with a system that allows involuntary comittal for the few than a system that pursues “background checks” for everybody. Like i said, I am certain that the background check system is being used to compile a database of gun owners. This is illegal, but mere illegality hasn’t stopped the Obama Administration on so many things.

    Another thing that involuntary committal will address is non-gun related violent mental illness. A backround check might stop the mentally ill from getting a gun, but they’ll just substitute a machete, and you still wind up with mass casualties. Gun control is a feel-good measure that pretends to address one issue, but is really aimed at another. The real target of gun control is the law abiding gun owner. They want to make it as difficult as possible for the law abiding to arm themselves. Totalitarians prefer unarmed subjects to armed citizens. I am against gun control in all its forms, but do agree that we need a way of dealing with those people who truly are a danger to the community.


  10. 10 | July 10, 2013 8:42 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    As we see with the delay of Obamacare, the god-king does not follow the law. He knows nobody will ever call him out. He’s the 1st Black president and can do as he pleases.


  11. 11 | July 10, 2013 8:45 am

    @ Rodan:

    Absolutely. The Law is for little people. His oath to faithfully execute the office of the Presidency is void. I guess he didn’t swear it on a Koran, so it doesn’t count.


  12. 12 | July 10, 2013 9:15 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I’m really tired how Obama keeps getting away with his garbage. It seems nothing he does faces consequences.


  13. 13 | July 10, 2013 9:21 am

    @ Rodan:

    There may not be consequences here on Earth, but when he stands before God Almighty….


  14. heysoos
    14 | July 10, 2013 9:22 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I’m really tired how Obama keeps getting away with his garbage. It seems nothing he does faces consequences.

    8 lousy senate votes are wrecking the country…doesn’t seem exactly rational


  15. 15 | July 10, 2013 9:24 am

    @ heysoos:

    And 2 of those 8 are both asshole Senators from Arizona! I hope the voters recall both their asses!


  16. rain of lead
    16 | July 10, 2013 9:25 am

    It looks like we have a temporary win on the amnesty train wreck. Politico saying nothing will pass the house. (Link is to BB)

    http://tinyurl.com/oyhuknt

    (would post the link myself but puter is acting weird)


  17. 17 | July 10, 2013 9:25 am

    @ Rodan:

    His approval rating is down considerably, but I’ll tell you, it is because he is the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT. A majority of Americans are invested in this huckster. They don’t see what he is because they don’t want to see what he is. They want to believe in a great Racial Healing that will come from the Black Jesus®. It is, perhaps, understandable, but it is unfortunate. Obama has been, by almost anybody’s standards, a miserable president. We’ve had the longest period of high unemployment since the Depression, our foreign policy is a shambles, we are losing wars, and our domestic situation is slipping into a Corruptocracy/Police State. Nothing Obama has done, including ObamaCare, has been successful at increasing the standard of livin gfor the American people, increasing our safety at home or abroad, or increasing our standin gas the world’s remaining superpower.


  18. eaglesoars
    18 | July 10, 2013 9:28 am

    Rodan wrote:

    it’s the rhetoric that is spotlighted by the media.

    the rhetoric that is MANGLED by the media

    the only racists I know of in Congress are black.


  19. eaglesoars
    19 | July 10, 2013 9:30 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    huckster.

    I’ve been thinking about a good title for any of the post-Obama books that are going to come out after he leaves office. I think you nailed it.


  20. 20 | July 10, 2013 9:32 am

    @ rain of lead:

    Immigration reform will wither and die slowly in the House. So says Politico, the paper that keeps score for the company town that is Washington, D.C.

    As Republican House Members get ready to meet on Wednesday to discuss immigration issues, Politico reporters Mike Allen and Jim Vandehei reported that “Republicans on Capitol Hill now predict comprehensive immigration reform will die a slow, months-long death in the House.” They write that passing a pathway to citizenship now “looks like a pipe-dream.”

    According to Politico, House Republicans are not likely to support “comprehensive immigration reform” because they represent districts with few Hispanic voters, do not believe such a bill will be an electoral panacea in getting the Hispanic vote, and think “they will look like fools” if they trust President Barack Obama—who recently decided to delay implementation of his signature Obamacare legislation—to enforce tough border security measures conservatives will demand in any bill.

    THey will look like fools if they trust the Obama Administration on border security. That’s because they will be fools if they trust Obama on Border Security. He’d say the border is secure right now except for the guns being smuggled to Mexico by the BATF. He’s keeping out all the people he want to keep out. The Christian refugees from oppression world-wide. Obama want to bring in the Muslims more than anything. I bet he opens us to a flood from Egypt, but he screens out the Coptic Christians from that flood.


  21. 21 | July 10, 2013 9:44 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    but I’ll tell you, it is because he is the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT. A majority of Americans are invested in this huckster. They don’t see what he is because they don’t want to see what he is.

    You, Speranza and Coldwarrior are the one of the few that get what Obama is about. Too many on the Right do NOT realize Obama is a symbol and Americans have an emotional attachmnet to the guy.


  22. rain of lead
    22 | July 10, 2013 9:45 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    a win for now
    it’s dc so anything can change


  23. 23 | July 10, 2013 9:46 am

    @ rain of lead:

    The House should pass their own version that Obama will never agree to just to say they did something. But in reality, no new legislation on ANY matter should be voted on until Obama is out. Look at Obamacare, he decides when he can implement it. He can’t be trusted and does as he pleases.


  24. 24 | July 10, 2013 9:47 am

    @ rain of lead:

    Yeah, they’re all whores in DC, with all due respect to whores. There’s really none of them that can be trusted. They’d all sell you out for the right shiny object.


  25. 25 | July 10, 2013 9:50 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Obama is the most protected politician in American history. He can burn down a building and the media will cover for him.


  26. 26 | July 10, 2013 9:56 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Politico, the purveyor of Washington’s conventional wisdom, could not conceive months ago that there would be fierce opposition among Republicans to “comprehensive immigration reform.” And on Tuesday, two prominent center-right publications—National Review and The Weekly Standard— wrote a joint editorial going all-in against the bill.

    That is really pretty big. That is, for all practical purposes, the Center Right. I am really surprised at the Weekly Standard. I am not that impressed with Bill Kristol. I am glad to see they are on the right side of this arguement. I honestly simply assumed that the Weekly Standard was for Comprehensive Immigration Reform, as bad a deal as it is. Maybe we will defeat this thing. I am, as I have previously statesd, all for a Guest Worker program, but there should be no path to Citizenship for Guest Workers, and there should be rigorous enforcement both against the illegals and against the businesses that hire them in the United States. Personally, I think it would be just fine if we adopted Mexico’s immigration laws, but they are so much stricter than ours. I don’t see the will to do that from our leadership.


  27. 27 | July 10, 2013 10:00 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Look at this, the Democrats after “supporting” weed legalization are now planning to tax it heavily. The result is that people will turn to cheaper weed on the black market. This is prohibition via taxation.

    If the GOP truly believed in personal freedom, they would run on low taxes on weed in Colorado. But they will not since weed is “bad.”


  28. waldensianspirit
    28 | July 10, 2013 10:00 am

    -17 at 1217 days to go


  29. waldensianspirit
  30. 30 | July 10, 2013 10:09 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Maybe we will defeat this thing.

    Conservatives will not have defeated this bill. Obama did with his Obamacare repeal. Obama and the Democrarts love the Immigration issue. They get a rise out of the Republican base and the media gives a microphone to the bigots in the GOP. This creates a negative image of Republicans with the public at large. Conservatives do not see this, hence why they fall into this trap.

    Personally, I think it would be just fine if we adopted Mexico’s immigration laws, but they are so much stricter than ours.

    It depends where you are from. If you are from Spain, Italy or Portugal all you have to do is show up in Mexico City and they give you a visa. Many Spaniards and Italians are moving to Mexico becasue of their home country’s economic situation. In fact, the Mexican government is running ads in Spain and Italy to encourage immigration to Mexico.

    The only thing Mexico is stricter with is Islamic Immigration. They only allow Arab Christians in. Hence why there are Lebanese Christians like Carlos Slim in Mexico. If you are an Arab Muslim, you don’t get in. That aspect of Mexico’s Immigration laws we should adopt.


  31. 31 | July 10, 2013 10:11 am

    @ waldensianspirit:

    That is the next post at 11.


  32. 32 | July 10, 2013 10:15 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Too many on the Right do NOT realize Obama is a symbol and Americans have an emotional attachmnet to the guy.

    White Americans have been beaten down by perceived guilt on the subject of race for so many decades now that blacks, particularly prominent blacks, have a virtual carte blanche. Even the most egregious race-hustlers are rarely, if ever, publicly criticized by whites and Obama, along with the liberal media, have been masters of cynicism in deploying that guilt as an effective weapon.

    In less than two generations, blacks have gone from perceived inequality, to a form of supra-equality with whites assuming the role of clueless, shuffling buffoons and blacks the role of our “betters”.


  33. waldensianspirit
    33 | July 10, 2013 10:16 am

    @ Rodan:
    k, he’s crazy. and nothing out there about the back-ground checks paid for to that company that didn’t do them but collected the fat money. Probably friends of his


  34. 34 | July 10, 2013 10:20 am

    @ Rodan:

    Mexico is also very strict on immigrants from other LAtin American countries. If you are travelling through Mexico to go to the United States they allow it, but they don’t just let, say, Guatamalans come in whenever they like. They are very strict on that. Nearly all countries in the world have stricter immigration policies than the United States. We also need to be tracking visas. I have a student (or former student as I am not teaching at the moment) who’s mother was Japanese. She had been working at a Munitions plant in Japan when we did Nagasaki. She came to America with a GI after the war, becamse an American citizen. When she goes home to Japan to see her family, she has to get a visa, and they track her. SHe has to be on a plane on the day or before the day the visa expires, or they will come and put her on a plane. There’s no real reason we couldn’t sdo something similar. There’s really no reason we should let the visa overstays have a pass. They are a large part of the illegal immigration problem.


  35. 35 | July 10, 2013 10:26 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    In less than two generations, blacks have gone from perceived inequality, to a form of supra-equality with whites assuming the role of clueless, shuffling buffoons and blacks the role of our “betters”.

    Martin Luther King dreamed of a society where his children would be judged by their character rather than the color of their skin, but he was on e of the few that had that dream. The rest of them want Jim Crow in reverse, with Blacks superior and whites inferior. The Civil Rights movement succeeded because of the fundamental moral rightness of King’s dream. But his successors have forsaken morality in the name of Socialism, and have decided a racial caste system that benefits them is something that they can live with. I think this will ultimately fail for a couple of reasons. One, it is fundamentally morally wrong, so they have lost the moral high ground. Secondly, people like me that were born after the end of segregation don’t feel a guilt for something that we neer did, so the “White Guilt” weapon is being lessened every day that passes. I know they indoctrinate White Guiilt in th ePublic Schools, but the public schools can’t teach something as fundamental as reading. I’d say their Marxist indoctrination isn’t much more effective. If it were, we wouldn’t be a 50-50 nation.


  36. 36 | July 10, 2013 10:31 am

    As a resident of Southern California I can attest to the fact that legal Hispanics of Mexican origin are not being accurately represented by the Fifth Column Treasonous Media. Nor are they being accurately represented by either the self anointed aristocratic elitist in the GOP or the Marxist leadership of the Democrat party.

    Rodan is right about the comments made by Ann Coulter, they are straight up racist. Sadly those comments are at worst an equal misrepresentation of the facts as presented by the La Raza/Mecha stooges. If the anti Hispanic crowd isn’t preaching about how lazy dishonest good for nothing moochers the Mexican Hispanics are, the La Raza/Mecha goons are preaching about how America stole half of the United States from Mexico and what “Noble Savages” their Meso-American ancestors were. (and don’t get me started on La Raza/Mecha vile supremest derogatory insult of calling any Mexican Hispanic who holds conservative Republican values a “Coconut” {{Coconut= Brown on the outside and white on the inside}}).

    The real truth is that America’s Legal Mexican Hispanic community is no more monolithic than any other group in America. Not in their voting patterns, their political associations or any other aspect of their lives. However their is one thing about them that comes close to being monolithic, their general respect for the rule of law. What this poll puts on display is exactly that.

    Those Mexican Hispanic’s who went through the arduous process of coming here legally, generally speaking, are not lazy, they are not moochers, and they hold little sympathy for those who come here illegally. While the majority of the La Raza/Mecha crowd are legal Mexican Hispanic’s, they are nearly all second or third generation Mexican-American Neo-Marxist Mexican Supremest. The La Raza/Mecha assholes are the Mexican-American Klu Klux Klan or Black Panthers racial Supremest.


  37. 37 | July 10, 2013 10:33 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Yep, the game changed from “colorblind society” to “payback’s a bitch” and much of white America is still playing the old game.


  38. 38 | July 10, 2013 10:34 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    The La Raza/Mecha assholes are the Mexican-American Klu Klux Klan or Black Panthers racial Supremest.

    I’ve heard them called the “Tan Klan”, and I think that just about sums them up. Didn’t both Obama and Romney suck up to the La Raza assholes during the election? I seem to remember something about that.


  39. 39 | July 10, 2013 10:44 am

    California is becoming a Failed State:

    Speaking of failed states, California’s prison system is dysfunctional and broken. Earlier this year, a Federal Appeals Court found that the state had yet to comply with the Supreme Court’s 2011 ruling that conditions in its prison system amount to “cruel and unusual punishment.” The three-judge Appeals Court panel issued a stern rebuke to Governor Jerry Brown, threatening to hold him in contempt if he doesn’t begin to make serious progress towards resolving funding and overcrowding issues in the state’s prison system.

    Stories like these aren’t helping Governor Brown’s case: The Center for Investigative Reporting has revealed that doctors for the prison system coerced female prisoners into being sterilized. According to the report, nearly 150 inmates at two women’s prisons were illegally pressured into having the operation between 1997 and 2010. Staff reportedly targeted repeat offenders and women likely to return to jail in a rather gruesome ploy to cut future medical expenses due to prison pregnancies.

    Meanwhile, at least 30,000 inmates began a hunger strike yesterday, demanding an end to solitary confinement policies that allow California to keep suspected gang members isolated for decades without the right to have their case reviewed. The hunger strike is meant to show support for ten inmates at the Pelican Bay State Prison who have filed suit against California and are currently seeking class-action status.

    While that case will have to be decided on its merits, both stories are further evidence of breakdowns in governance. Enforcing the laws and properly punishing criminals are among the most basic functions of government. It’s hard to see California as anything but another failed state if it is failing these fundamental tests.

    They also can’t control their borders. At all. A State that can’t control its borders or its population is well on the way to Failed State Status. California’s economy hasn’t collapsed yet, but you can see the writing on the wall there in their ungodly huge unfunded Public Employees Pension System. That money is goin got have to come from somewhere, or California is going to have to default on the pensions. I think the latter is the more likely scenario right now. I don’t know what will happen then. But they probably won’t have the credit to borrow all of that money from China, and they can’t Print their own money. I guess they could try that, but I don’t think it would be very successful.


  40. 40 | July 10, 2013 10:53 am

    The Judge, predictably, rules against Zimmerman on some evidence that the defense wanted to present:

    SANFORD, Fla. (AP) — A central Florida judge ruled Wednesday that Trayvon Martin’s cellphone texts on fighting and a defense animation depicting the fight between Martin and George Zimmerman won’t be introduced as evidence at Zimmerman’s trial.

    Judge Debra Nelson made her ruling Wednesday, a day after she heard arguments on the matter. Prosecutors had claimed the texts were irrelevant and taken out of context. They also objected to the computer animation, questioning its accuracy and saying it would mislead jurors.

    “This is a murder trial. This isn’t `Casablanca.’ This isn’t `Iron Man,’” prosecutor Richard Mantei said.

    The judge seemed concerned about the animation’s accuracy during arguments. While the animation can’t be introduced as evidence that can be reviewed by jurors during their deliberations, defense attorneys may be able to use it during closing arguments, she ruled.

    She is goin gto do everything that she can to get a conviction. There is no question whose side this judge is on. I don’t know how much that will prejudice the jury, though. It is all goin gto come down to that. Does the jury find on the facts, or do they find on the emotion and pressure that outside groups, including the President, have brought to bear. This is an important test of our Judicial System. Can the accused in a crime with racial overtones get a fair trial if he is White? It is just the opposite of the question that would have been asked 50-60 years ago.


  41. 41 | July 10, 2013 10:57 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    There’s really no reason we should let the visa overstays have a pass. They are a large part of the illegal immigration problem

    I will be honest, Visa overstays scare me more than illegal Mexicans crossing the border. I believe some of the 9/11 hijackers were Visa overstays. One of the Tsarnaev accomplices was a visa overstay.


  42. 42 | July 10, 2013 10:58 am

    @ doriangrey:

    Very well said Dorian and I wish more people would realize what you wrote is the truth.


  43. 43 | July 10, 2013 10:59 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Judge is NOT impartial.


  44. 44 | July 10, 2013 11:02 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The irony is La Raza is actually anti-Hispanic, but they use the Hispanic label to get influence. The Democrats push them as a Hispanic group and many Republicans love them as a boogeyman.

    Here’s the biggest kicker, most of them do not even speak Spanish.


  45. 45 | July 10, 2013 11:03 am

    @ Rodan:

    Yes, you are correct on both of those points. Visa overstays are a serious problem. Did you see the link I posted the other day, though, about people from the Horn of Africa (think Somolia) coming to the United States illegally through Mexico? Travelling no doubt to Little Mogadishu or Deabornistan. Places they can hide. The article said it cost about $7500 to make the trip. That’s pocket change to Global Jihad, Inc. There’s no doubt that we shoul dbe more worried about illegals from Somolia than illegals from Mexico. The latter are still a problem (think MS 13, as just one example), but the real terrorists are goin gto come from the Middle East. Of course, the Tsarnaev brothers were here legally. The Russians warned us about them, but just as the warnings abotu Nidal Hasan went unheeded, the warnings about the Tsarnaev Brothers were completely ignored. If Bush were still President, that would be considered an intelligence failure of extreme magnitude, but Obama is President, so it is no big deal.


  46. 46 | July 10, 2013 11:07 am

    @ MacDuff:
    @ Iron Fist:

    Obama is the ultimate culmination of White guilt and the new racial double standard.


  47. 47 | July 10, 2013 11:11 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Did you see the link I posted the other day, though, about people from the Horn of Africa (think Somolia) coming to the United States illegally through Mexico?

    I saw that, but the Muzz don’t have to do any of that. All they need to do is gop to JFK AIrport and ask for asylum. They get it without issue. Canada is another route the Muzz come in from.

    If Bush were still President, that would be considered an intelligence failure of extreme magnitude,

    There would calls for a special prosecutor to find out who dropped the ball.

    but Obama is President, so it is no big deal.

    He is the first Black President and can do as he pleases. He really is America’s first god-king.


  48. 48 | July 10, 2013 11:12 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Obama is the ultimate culmination of White guilt and the new racial double standard.

    I’d only argue that the racial double standard is “new”. It didn’t really emerge with Obama, he’s just the figure who has most effectively exploited it.


  49. 49 | July 10, 2013 11:17 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Agree abosultely. Obama is the culmination of many factos. That is why he’s not a politician, but a cultural symbol. He knows this and takes advantage.


  50. lobo91
    50 | July 10, 2013 11:24 am

    Dingy Says He Pities Boehner: “I Feel Sorry For The Speaker”…

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) said Tuesday he feels “sorry” for House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) because of the conservative pushback he is facing on a raft of issues.

    At his press conference, TPM asked Reid to respond to Boehner’s suggestion that the House will demand tough border triggers before the process of normalizing the status of undocumented immigrants begins — an idea the Senate broadly rejected.

    “Speaker Boehner is trying to decide where he is. Pick an issue,” he said, citing matters such as the farm bill, post office and the budget resolution. “He has dissension in his own ranks. We know that.”

    “Now immigration. He is saying the bipartisan bill that we have done — he is not going to touch that. Well, we’re going to continue to press,” Reid said. “The vast majority of the American people — Democrats, Republicans — support what we did. And they’re running ads — conservative organizations are running ads now saying, ‘Mr. Boehner, and Republicans, why won’t you do something about this?”

    “So I guess I feel sorry for the Speaker.”

    Yeah, it’s just terrible that some of the House Republicans actually listen to the people who voted for them, isn’t it? A foreign concept to the Dems, no doubt.

    And there are no “conservative groups” running ads demanding that the House pass amnesty. There are bogus astroturf groups funded by leftwing activists who are running ads.


  51. 51 | July 10, 2013 11:27 am

    @ lobo91:

    Reid can lie like that because nobody has the balls to call him a liar. It is like when he claimed Mitt Romney hadn’t paid taxes for ten years. Romney should have called him a damned liar and dared him to come forward with proof. Not doing so left the impression that he had something to hide. The Republicans have no balls, really. It is that simple. OUr leaders are at best well-meaning fools and a t worst nest-feathering sycophants of whomever holds the power at the time.


  52. 52 | July 10, 2013 11:37 am

    New Thread.


  53. Da_Beerfreak
    53 | July 10, 2013 11:40 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    The members of the jury already know that the IRS knows who is on the jury and is watching


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