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Rand Paul’s paleoconservative problem

by Speranza ( 62 Comments › )
Filed under Anarcho-Capitalism, Elections 2016, Hate Speech at July 18th, 2013 - 8:30 am

His biggest problem is that paleoconservatives are pretty vile (and if you don’t believe me take a peak at the wrongly labeled online magazine “The American Conservative”).   Rand Paul is not a paleocon but he carries a lot of baggage because of his father and some of his own aides and that is too bad because I really do like Rand Paul. As Jonah points out – if they could tag John McCain and Mitt Romney as bigots, watch what they would do to Rand Paul.  However, Rand Paul is no bigot – he wants the GOP to aim for 25% of the Black vote and he deplores the Rovian tendency to write off huge swaths of the country.

by Jonah Goldberg

Rand Paul is the most interesting contender for the Republican nomination. And when I say interesting, I mean that in the broadest sense.

A case in point: Last week, the Kentucky senator hit some turbulence when the Washington Free Beacon reported that Jack Hunter, Paul’s aide and the co-author of his book, The Tea Party Goes to Washington, was once the Southern Avenger.

Who’s that? Starting in the 1990s, as a radio shock-jock, Hunter would wear a wrestling mask made from a Confederate flag, while making jokes about the assassination of Abraham Lincoln and having the South re-secede.

“Although Lincoln’s assassin, John Wilkes Booth’s heart was in the right place, the Southern Avenger does regret that Lincoln’s murder . . . turned him into a martyr,” Turner said in 2004. Maybe the humor is all in the delivery?

Hunter’s defenders, including my Fox News colleague Andrew Napolitano, think the reaction against Hunter has been cranked up by neocon “hawks, whose ideology is . . . being discredited every day.” According to Napolitano, “Jack’s sin in their eyes was having spoken favorably of states’ rights, and negatively of Lincoln.”

“Negatively of Lincoln” is a curious understatement, given that Hunter — who admits to giving a “personal toast” to Booth on his birthday — once suggested Lincoln would have had an amorous relationship with Adolf Hitler.

Meanwhile, Hunter says he has matured and is embarrassed by much of what he said in the past. Moreover, he says that for all the theatrics and bombast, he’s never said, believed, or done anything racist. “I abhor racism,” he wrote at his site, Southernavenger.com, “and have always treated everyone I’ve met with dignity and respect.”

Such controversies are hardly new to Paulworld. Most famously, Rand’s father, former Representative Ron Paul, the three-time presidential candidate (for whom Hunter worked in 2012), published newsletters bearing his name that brimmed with bigoted bile. [.......]

Both controversies stem from the same sinful strategy adopted by so-called paleolibertarians in the 1980s. The idea was that libertarians needed to attract followers from outside the ranks of both the mainstream GOP and the libertarian movement — by trying to fuse the struggle for individual liberty with nostalgia for white supremacy. Thinkers such as Murray Rothbard hated the cultural liberalism of libertarians like the Koch brothers (yes, you read that right) and sought to build a movement fueled by white resentment. This sect of libertarianism played into the left-wing view of conservatism as racist.  [.......]

“The paleo strategy was a horrific mistake,” libertarian economist Steve Horwitz wrote in 2011, “though it apparently made some folks (such as Rockwell and Paul) pretty rich selling newsletters predicting the collapse of Western civilization at the hands of the blacks, gays, and multiculturalists.”

By no means do all Ron Paul supporters subscribe to this dreck. [.......] Most take great offense at any suggestion that Paul or Paulism has anything to do with racism.

Rand Paul literally and figuratively grew up in the shadow of all this, but while he’s always circumspect when talking about his dad, in private and in public he has given no hint of subscribing to the Rockwell-Rothbard thesis. Indeed, he is sincerely eager to reach out to African-American voters on issues like the drug war.

Rand Paul shares his father’s ambition to be president. Color me skeptical. Even though he’s a vastly better politician — morally and strategically — than his father, in a climate where politicians like Mitt Romney and John McCain can be demonized as bigots, should Rand Paul ever be nominated, one can only imagine what his opponents, in and out of the media, would do. Unfairly or not, his task of clearing the air would be Augean.

Hence another irony. Defenders like Napolitano think Paul’s critics subscribe to a “dying ideology,” but Paul’s only shot at the White House hinges on thoroughly interring an ideology far more deserving of death. He’s got a lot more work ahead of him.

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  1. Speranza
    1 | July 18, 2013 8:36 am

    I love the way Rand Paul referred to John McCain (not using his name) as being “stale”.


  2. Speranza
    2 | July 18, 2013 8:47 am

    Hopefully in 2016 we will be spared another go-round with Luap Nor.


  3. 3 | July 18, 2013 8:50 am

    Rand Paul shares his father’s ambition to be president. Color me skeptical. Even though he’s a vastly better politician — morally and strategically — than his father, in a climate where politicians like Mitt Romney and John McCain can be demonized as bigots, should Rand Paul ever be nominated, one can only imagine what his opponents, in and out of the media, would do. Unfairly or not, his task of clearing the air would be Augean.

    I think this is right. While I like most everything I’ve seen out of Paul (I am somewhat skeptical about the deal with Military sexual assaults that he has signed onto, but Ted Cruz is with him on that. Allen West thinks it is an insult to the troops, though), he will face a major uphill battle, not just against the Democrats, but against the scorched earth campaigns of a Jeb Bush or Chris Christie (either of whom will campaign much harder against their fellow Republicans than they will the Democrat nominee). If we are goin got go with a Tea Party Presidential candidate, I think Ted Cruz has the better shot at winning.


  4. Speranza
    4 | July 18, 2013 9:12 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I think this is right. While I like most everything I’ve seen out of Paul (I am somewhat skeptical about the deal with Military sexual assaults that he has signed onto, but Ted Cruz is with him on that. Allen West thinks it is an insult to the troops, though), he will face a major uphill battle, not just against the Democrats, but against the scorched earth campaigns of a Jeb Bush or Chris Christie (either of whom will campaign much harder against their fellow Republicans than they will the Democrat nominee). If we are goin got go with a Tea Party Presidential candidate, I think Ted Cruz has the better shot at winning.

    Jonah is usually right. If Rand was not Ron’s son and if he was a bit more careful with his aides, he might have a good chance. Jeb Bush would be just like his dad and brother, ruthless v. other Republicans but genial towards the Democrats.


  5. 5 | July 18, 2013 9:22 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Jeb Bush would be just like his dad and brother, ruthless v. other Republicans but genial towards the Democrats.

    Exactly. We don’t need or want another Bush in the White House. It would have been different if Bush would have governed as a Conservative and fought back. He allowed the Democrats and MSM to define him, never fought back agaisnt the unfair and sometimes treasonous accusatins and editorials. His Presidency could have been a success, and he let that slip through his fingers. It may not be “fair” that Jeb Bush doesn’t have a shot because of the actions of his brother, but that is just the cold, hard facts of it. Politics ain’t beanbag. These “moderates” get that when they rew running against Republicans, but when they are against Democrats, they want to “reach across the aisle”. That doesn’t win elections, ad Dole, McCain, and Romney show.


  6. RIX
    6 | July 18, 2013 9:47 am

    Good morning. I like Rand Paul, but if he
    became the Republican nominee the Dems
    & the MSM would try to make him look like
    some exotic weirdo.
    They would have half of the counrty believing that
    he ate puppies & hosted Black Masses.


  7. 7 | July 18, 2013 9:48 am

    RIX wrote:

    They would have half of the counrty believing that
    he ate puppies & hosted Black Masses.

    Unlike Barack Obama, who does eat puppies. He probably hosts Black Masses, too.


  8. RIX
    8 | July 18, 2013 9:55 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    They would have half of the counrty believing that
    he ate puppies & hosted Black Masses.

    Unlike Barack Obama, who does eat puppies. He probably hosts Black Masses, too.

    He does host Ramadan festivities.


  9. 9 | July 18, 2013 10:02 am

    @ RIX:

    My Muslim Faith”. I think that little slip revealed a *lot* abou tObama. I don’t believe he is really a Muslim. I believe that he is an atheist. He knows no god before Himself. But he has a lot of fellow-feeling fo rthe Muslims. He holds them in a very high place in his heart. Much higher than Christians or even Americans. I get the impression that Barack Obama is not a fan of either of those.


  10. Speranza
    10 | July 18, 2013 10:07 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Exactly. We don’t need or want another Bush in the White House.

    You know it!


  11. Speranza
    11 | July 18, 2013 10:08 am

    RIX wrote:

    Good morning. I like Rand Paul, but if he
    became the Republican nominee the Dems
    & the MSM would try to make him look like
    some exotic weirdo.
    They would have half of the counrty believing that
    he ate puppies & hosted Black Masses.

    Yes and they would get away with it.


  12. Speranza
    12 | July 18, 2013 10:08 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    My Muslim Faith”. I think that little slip revealed a *lot* abou tObama. I don’t believe he is really a Muslim. I believe that he is an atheist. He knows no god before Himself. But he has a lot of fellow-feeling fo rthe Muslims. He holds them in a very high place in his heart. Much higher than Christians or even Americans. I get the impression that Barack Obama is not a fan of either of those.

    He is either an atheist or an agnostic but he is most definitely an Islamophile.


  13. RIX
    13 | July 18, 2013 10:12 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    I agree, Obama was a Muslim in Indonesia,
    but not now.
    He does have great sympathy though for the RoP
    though.


  14. RIX
    14 | July 18, 2013 10:13 am

    Speranza wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Good morning. I like Rand Paul, but if he
    became the Republican nominee the Dems
    & the MSM would try to make him look like
    some exotic weirdo.
    They would have half of the counrty believing that
    he ate puppies & hosted Black Masses.

    Yes and they would get away with it.

    They would. They convinced a lot of the country
    that Romney killed a woman.


  15. 15 | July 18, 2013 10:17 am

    @ RIX:

    Another example of the GOP standard-bearer not fighting back. Those commercials were dispicable, but Romney chose not to fight back. He should have called on Obama to distance himself from the sleazy tactics and act, well, Presidential. Romney was just a good whipping boy for the Press and the Democrats. The Democrats know no bounds because the Republicans let them get away with having no bounds.


  16. RIX
    16 | July 18, 2013 10:25 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    The Romney Campaign & the Party should have gone
    ballistic about the “Romney killed a woman” smear.
    Not doing that lent credibility to the allegation.
    The constant Meme should have been that the Obama
    Campaign and their 501 C’s are sleazy.


  17. buzzsawmonkey
    17 | July 18, 2013 10:25 am

    RIX wrote:

    They would have half of the counrty believing that
    he ate puppies & hosted Black Masses.

    He could invite Obama for lunch, and thereby host Black Massa…


  18. Speranza
    18 | July 18, 2013 10:38 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    The Romney Campaign & the Party should have gone
    ballistic about the “Romney killed a woman” smear.
    Not doing that lent credibility to the allegation.
    The constant Meme should have been that the Obama
    Campaign and their 501 C’s are sleazy.

    They took the same putrid advice from the Rovian corrupt consulting class and turned the other cheek. The same way Paul Ryan allowed the clownish Joe Biden to urinate all over him.


  19. RIX
    19 | July 18, 2013 10:41 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    They would have half of the counrty believing that
    he ate puppies & hosted Black Masses.

    He could invite Obama for lunch, and thereby host Black Massa…

    Half Black, half White.
    The White is the evil part.


  20. 20 | July 18, 2013 10:41 am

    @ RIX:

    Oama is a white African-American… :roll:


  21. RIX
    21 | July 18, 2013 10:43 am

    They took the same putrid advice from the Rovian corrupt consulting class and turned the other cheek. The same way Paul Ryan allowed the clownish Joe Biden to urinate all over him. -- @ Speranza:

    Ryan let Biden get away with that conduct.
    It was beyond rude, it seemed nuts.
    Ryan should have turned to him smiling
    and asked, “Off your meds Joe?”


  22. waldensianspirit
    22 | July 18, 2013 10:45 am

    Rand Paul is on the SFRC. His foreign policy and domestic would be disastrous too as we are already a disaster. He’s fine with ‘containing’ a nuclear Iran for one small example


  23. RIX
    23 | July 18, 2013 10:46 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Oama is a white African-American…

    And self loathing his White half.
    A real homage to his mother./


  24. Speranza
    24 | July 18, 2013 10:48 am

    RIX wrote:

    And self loathing his White half.
    A real homage to his mother./

    His mother was Red.


  25. 25 | July 18, 2013 10:49 am

    @ RIX:

    I’ve always thought it was a shame that Obama’s mother didn’t have access to safe and legal abortion. YOu’d think Obama might think about that before he took such a radical pro-abort stance, but he is either incapable of that level of self-reflection or simply doesn’t care.


  26. lobo91
    26 | July 18, 2013 10:50 am

    @ RIX:

    And Biden is apparently planning to run in 2016:

    Biden: I Can “Die A Happy Man” Not Being President – But Might Still Run…


  27. RIX
    27 | July 18, 2013 10:50 am

    Speranza wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    And self loathing his White half.
    A real homage to his mother./

    His mother was Red.

    So was Dad & Grand Dad.


  28. Speranza
    28 | July 18, 2013 10:51 am

    RIX wrote:

    Ryan let Biden get away with that conduct.
    It was beyond rude, it seemed nuts.
    Ryan should have turned to him smiling
    and asked, “Off your meds Joe?”

    He (Ryan) was following Stuart Stevens’s (I have never met a normal guy named “Stuart” by the way) advice.


  29. Speranza
    29 | July 18, 2013 10:51 am

    I sure hope Biden runs so Obama will be forced to endorse him rather then Hillary.


  30. RIX
    30 | July 18, 2013 10:52 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    I’ve always thought it was a shame that Obama’s mother didn’t have access to safe and legal abortion. YOu’d think Obama might think about that before he took such a radical pro-abort stance, but he is either incapable of that level of self-reflection or simply doesn’t care.

    That is a thought.
    He also kept up the meme that his mother
    didn’t have health insurance for her cancer treatment..
    Actually, she did.


  31. Speranza
    31 | July 18, 2013 10:53 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I’ve always thought it was a shame that Obama’s mother didn’t have access to safe and legal abortion. YOu’d think Obama might think about that before he took such a radical pro-abort stance, but he is either incapable of that level of self-reflection or simply doesn’t care.

    Ironically abortion has taken away millions of Democratic voters since most people who get abortions are liberals and most children are influenced politically by their parents.


  32. RIX
    32 | July 18, 2013 10:54 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    And Biden is apparently planning to run in 2016:

    Biden: I Can “Die A Happy Man” Not Being President – But Might Still Run…

    Well the bar seems pretty low, so he could
    technically get over it.
    But, Hillary will chew him up.


  33. Speranza
    33 | July 18, 2013 10:54 am

    RIX wrote:

    That is a thought.
    He also kept up the meme that his mother
    didn’t have health insurance for her cancer treatment..
    Actually, she did.

    Just like that woman Romney allegedly “killed”.


  34. 34 | July 18, 2013 10:55 am

    @ Speranza:

    Yeah, I hope Clueless Joe runs, too. He wouldn’t be a worse President than Obama, but I don’t expect he’d be any better at it either. Of course, neither would Hillary. The Democrat bench is really pretty thin. That doesn’t mean that they won’t win, though. LIVs don’t seem to mind putting ignorant people in power.


  35. Speranza
    35 | July 18, 2013 10:55 am

    RIX wrote:

    Well the bar seems pretty low, so he could
    technically get over it.
    But, Hillary will chew him up.

    Hillary will do to Biden what “Eraser head” aka Paul Ryan failed to do.


  36. Speranza
    36 | July 18, 2013 10:56 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Yeah, I hope Clueless Joe runs, too. He wouldn’t be a worse President than Obama, but I don’t expect he’d be any better at it either. Of course, neither would Hillary. The Democrat bench is really pretty thin. That doesn’t mean that they won’t win, though. LIVs don’t seem to mind putting ignorant people in power.

    Biden would get locked by accident in the men’s room and the Secret Service would let him stay there. Biden does not and will not command legions of fanatical followers.


  37. RIX
    37 | July 18, 2013 10:58 am
    He (Ryan) was following Stuart Stevens’s (I have never met a normal guy named “Stuart” by the way) advice.

    @ Speranza:

    Well there is Stuart Smalley.
    No wait, I take your point.


  38. 38 | July 18, 2013 11:05 am

    @ Speranza:

    There have been approximately 50 million abortions since Roe v. Wade became law of the land. If you figure two thirds of those to be Liberals (just a guess, really), that would have been enough voters to give the Democrats a permanent lock on Washington DC.


  39. buzzsawmonkey
    39 | July 18, 2013 11:19 am

    RIX wrote:

    And self loathing his White half.
    A real homage to his mother./

    There is a huge amount of woman-hatred—indeed, mother-hatred—among black men. This hatred is overcompensated for by the shows of exaggerated, but empty, “respect” given to baby-mamas (“You got to respect that woman ’cause she carried that child for nine months!”) and the fact that the mere words “your mama” can be fighting words.


  40. waldensianspirit
    40 | July 18, 2013 11:23 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    There have been approximately 50 million abortions since Roe v. Wade became law of the land. If you figure two thirds of those to be Liberals (just a guess, really), that would have been enough voters to give the Democrats a permanent lock on Washington DC.

    They know a couple of theirs can corrupt the whole peck


  41. 41 | July 18, 2013 11:28 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Speranza:

    I’ll tell you one thing Paul gets right, that no one else, and I mean no one else does, is that he uses his Libertarian leaning message in a positive way, making personal freedom sound cool again. Even his dad didn’t accomplish that. His dad did it in a manner that sounded whiny and apologetic.

    Paul’s filibuster, while it ultimately accomplished nothing, did bring him the brand recognition as a champion for personal freedom that the next GOP who succeeds will ultimately need. The cries of racist and bigot are pitches in the dirt, and I would argue that it is the reaction to those bad pitches that costs more than any damage actually done by them in the first place.


  42. RIX
    42 | July 18, 2013 11:30 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Just a lot of disfunction in Black Culture.
    It makes it tough for a kid who is trying to
    rise above it.


  43. lobo91
    43 | July 18, 2013 11:34 am

    Obama is on TV now lying about Obamacare.

    Did you know that it’s caused insurance premiums to go down?

    News to me…


  44. 44 | July 18, 2013 11:35 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    You missed out on the whole “Pimps and Hos” thing that is goin gon in the black community, too. That is a huge undercurrent. It is often expressed in rap music. Rap music in general is both racist (look at how often they use the N-word) and misogynist. That is the soundtrack for the lives of much of the black community. Absolutely no respect is given to women. Maybe you see a little of that with the “baby-momma” thing, but that is the exception rather than the rule. The average black grows up in a single-parent home. The Welfare State has taken as great a toll on the black family as slavery did, maybe even a worse toll. Slaves were generally allowed to marry, though there was nothing to stop an owner from selling the husband to one person and the wife to another. Certainly, the slavers wanted the slaves to reproduce. While I am no expert, though, I don’t think that slave owners in general were actively pushing for their slaves to get rid of the father in the family the way Welfare does.


  45. RIX
    45 | July 18, 2013 11:36 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    Obama is on TV now lying about Obamacare.

    Did you know that it’s caused insurance premiums to go down?

    News to me…

    I have the radio on & I heard one woman claim
    that she got a rebate due to ObamaCare.
    That is of course preposterous.
    It sounds like an infommercial.


  46. lobo91
    46 | July 18, 2013 11:38 am

    @ RIX:

    I think we’ve just moved right into the world of Orwell.

    He’s just standing there reading outright lies off his teleprompter, and a bunch of idiots are standing behind him grinning.


  47. Daffy Duck
    47 | July 18, 2013 11:42 am

    @ lobo91:

    Ooooh, has he said anything about this years chocolate ration yet, brother?


  48. 48 | July 18, 2013 11:43 am

    @ RIX:

    No, ObamaCare does mandate that insurance companies give a rebate. They are being strictly limited in the profits that they are allowed to take, and they are required to rebate anything over that. From what I’ve seen, they aren’t allowing them enough profit to stay in business over the long term. That is just another way in which Obama and the Democrats are trying to collapse the system. If all the private insurers go out of bsiness, there will be a much greater likelyhood of the people demandin gsingle-payer, which is the real goal.


  49. lobo91
    49 | July 18, 2013 11:59 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    They are being strictly limited in the profits that they are allowed to take, and they are required to rebate anything over that. From what I’ve seen, they aren’t allowing them enough profit to stay in business over the long term.

    They definitely aren’t, especially when you factor in the requirement that they cover anyone who applies, regardless of pre-existing conditions, and can’t charge them accordingly.


  50. RIX
    51 | July 18, 2013 12:02 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    I think we’ve just moved right into the world of Orwell.

    He’s just standing there reading outright lies off his teleprompter, and a bunch of idiots are standing behind him grinning.

    This is pure Orwellian.
    Adding millions of more insureds will lower costs.
    Rationing will improve your health.
    Mooch looks just like Jackie Kennedy.


  51. RIX
    52 | July 18, 2013 12:05 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    No, ObamaCare does mandate that insurance companies give a rebate. They are being strictly limited in the profits that they are allowed to take, and they are required to rebate anything over that. From what I’ve seen, they aren’t allowing them enough profit to stay in business over the long term. That is just another way in which Obama and the Democrats are trying to collapse the system. If all the private insurers go out of bsiness, there will be a much greater likelyhood of the people demandin gsingle-payer, which is the real goal.

    I thought that the rebate portion didn’t kick in
    until 2014, but you may be right.
    The problem is that they will not be leaving insurers
    enough to cover overhead & reaserves.


  52. RIX
    53 | July 18, 2013 12:08 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    You are right about the rebates, I stand corrected.


  53. Daffy Duck
    54 | July 18, 2013 12:10 pm

    RIX wrote:

    …The problem is that they will not be leaving insurers
    enough to cover overhead & reaserves.

    It’s a feature, not a bug.


  54. lobo91
    55 | July 18, 2013 12:10 pm

    @ RIX:

    This is pure Orwellian.
    Adding millions of more insureds will lower costs.
    Rationing will improve your health.
    Mooch looks just like Jackie Kennedy.

    Legalizing tens of millions of low-skilled immigrants will create jobs.


  55. 56 | July 18, 2013 12:17 pm

    @ lobo91:

    And wages will go up for low-skilled workers because of the glut on the market…
    [/Liberal Economics]

    :roll:


  56. RIX
    57 | July 18, 2013 12:19 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    This is pure Orwellian.
    Adding millions of more insureds will lower costs.
    Rationing will improve your health.
    Mooch looks just like Jackie Kennedy.

    Legalizing tens of millions of low-skilled immigrants will create jobs.

    Absolutely. And as an added bonus, those working now
    will be able to pursue artistic endeavors when they are
    let go .
    Pelosi thinks this is a good thing.
    We will be the world leader in sculpting &
    interpretive dance!


  57. RIX
    58 | July 18, 2013 12:20 pm

    Daffy Duck wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    …The problem is that they will not be leaving insurers
    enough to cover overhead & reaserves.

    It’s a feature, not a bug.

    Yup,it is intended. It’s to segue to
    Single Payer.


  58. lobo91
    59 | July 18, 2013 12:21 pm

    @ RIX:

    And Pedro, the illiterate guy standing out in front of Home Depot, is going to start the next Google or Facebook.


  59. 61 | July 18, 2013 12:33 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Premiums have gone down slightly in New York and vermont. That’s it, two states out of fifty. In the remaining forty-eight, they have averaged a 100% increase.


  60. RIX
    62 | July 18, 2013 12:46 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:
    And Pedro, the illiterate guy standing out in front of Home Depot, is going to start the next Google or Facebook.

    Si, es verdad.


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