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Not all American Jews are taking their organizational leadership’s abuse of their values and views lying down

by Speranza ( 155 Comments › )
Filed under Anti-semitism, Barack Obama, Fatah, Hamas, Israel, Judaism, Palestinians at July 19th, 2013 - 3:30 pm

The unelected American Jewish “leadership” is composed of what the 19th century British humorist and writer Israel Zangwill referred to as “the trembling Israelites”.

by Caroline Glick

Last month, we learned that in addition to targeting groups that that oppose abortion and that support limited government and lower taxes, the Obama administration’s Internal Revenue Service has apparently been singling out non-leftist pro-Israel groups.

According to numerous media investigations, beginning as early as March 2009, a consortium of powerful forces including the Palestinian Authority, The New York Times, columnists in The Washington Post, administration-allied anti- Israel groups including J Street and the Arab American Anti- Discrimination Committee, and the State Department lobbied the IRS to discriminate against these pro-Israel groups.

They alleged that since these groups opposed the administration’s policy of coercing Israel to vacate Judea, Samaria and northern, southern and eastern Jerusalem, they had no right to receive tax-breaks as nonprofit groups.

There is no legal basis for the claim that US groups which lawfully oppose government policy should be barred from receiving nonprofit status.

[........]

True, the centerpiece of the Obama administration’s Middle East strategy is to delegitimize the Jewish presence in these areas as a prelude to eliminating it. If nothing else, the contrast between Secretary of State John Kerry’s peripatetic efforts to restart peace talks between the Palestinians and Israel on the one hand, and his demonstrated indifference to the convulsions now engorging Egypt, not to mention the Obama administration’s generally lackadaisical attitude toward the Syrian civil war on the other hand, make that point.

Like President Barack Obama, Kerry has adopted the PLO’s position that talks between the Palestinians and Israel must be based on presumptive Palestinian sovereignty of all territories illegally captured by Egypt and Jordan in Israel’s War of Independence up to the 1949 armistice lines (falsely, and misleadingly referred to as the 1967 borders). Implicitly, the administration supports the PLO’s demand that for a Palestinian state to be formed, those areas – as well as much of Jerusalem – must first be ethnically cleansed of Jews.

The administration’s obsession with coercing Israel to make massive concessions to the PLO is based on its belief that the Palestinian conflict with Israel is the greatest source of all instability and anti-Americanism in the Arab world.

Every day, the utter folly and madness of this position is revealed. For the past two-and a- half years, it has been exposed in the chaos that has taken hold in state after state throughout the Arab world, and in the fanatical forces released by this chaos. True, Jew hatred is endemic throughout the Arab world. But as the demonstrations from Cairo to the killing fields in Aleppo have shown, this hatred has little impact on the actions of the hundreds of millions of people in the Arab world. When supporters of Egypt’s ousted Muslim Brotherhood president Mohamed Morsi yell “[Interim President] Adly Mansour is a Jew,” they are not suggesting they will put aside their differences with Egypt’s military government if Israel reaches a peace deal with the PLO.

Thirteen years ago this month, the Palestinians rejected peace and statehood at the Camp David summit. Since then, not a day has passed when they haven’t taken some action that made clear they have no intention whatsoever of ever making peace with Israel. Their identity is based on the negation of Jewish peoplehood and Jewish rights.

Just last week, this state of affairs was grotesquely reinforced when the Palestinian Authority’s television station presented two little girls reciting a poem in which they castigated Jews as “filth,” the “most evil among creations, barbaric monkeys, wretched pigs,” whom Jerusalem will “vomit” out, and who are condemned to “humiliation and hardship.”

But the folly of the US’s Middle East policy has made no difference to the foreign policy establishment, which has connived, according to media reports, to deny pro- Israel groups that reject this position their legal right to nonprofit status by siccing the IRS on them.

One of the most notable aspects of the story of alleged IRS discrimination against nonleftist pro-Israel organizations has been the silence of the mainstream American Jewish groups in the face of this apparent persecution.

What does the silence of major American Jewish groups on this issue tell us about the nature of these organizations that claim to speak for the American Jewish community? [.........]

And yet, the largest American Jewish groups have said nothing. They have not demanded any explanations from the IRS or the State Department. They have not demand apologies from the New York Times, J Street, the Arab American Anti-Discrimination or anyone else for maligning lawful organizations that operate well within the boundaries of law.

It’s possible that they are silent because they are afraid.

Groups like the Anti-Defamation League and the American Jewish Committee have multi-million dollar budgets and they prize their access to the White House and the State Department.

Their leadership may fear that by objecting to anti-Israel discrimination, they will stop getting invited to White House Hanukka parties or that they themselves will become the targets of unjustified Federal investigations.

Perhaps it is fear. But perhaps they are silent because they share the goal of silencing voices that refuse to accept the Obama administration’s assertion that it is pro-Israel to support the establishment of a Palestinian terror state in Israel’s capital and in its historic and strategic heartland.

[........]

Last month two rising Israeli political stars, Economy and Trade Minister Naftali Bennett and Deputy Defense Minister Danny Danon, expressed their opposition to a Palestinian state. In addition to stating his own opposition to such an entity, Danon also noted that Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s support for the establishment of a Palestinian state is shared neither by the majority of the members of the Likud’s Knesset faction, nor by the majority of the ministers in his coalition government, and that the government would oppose the establishment of such a state were the issue brought to a vote.

These statements were not unprecedented. Far from it.

In January Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon noted that a Palestinian state would be an enemy of the Jewish state, saying “There are those who are trying to market [PA Chairman Mahmoud] Abbas as relatively moderate, but his goals are the same as those of Hamas. He does not believe in an agreement based on pre-1967 lines and he is refusing to come to the negotiating table.”

Rather than contend with the substance of these elected leaders’ remarks, or simply give them the respect due to duly elected representatives of the Israeli public, both the AJC and the ADL condemned them for speaking their minds. [........]

As the Zionist Organization of America noted, the AJC falsely claimed that Ya’alon asked Netanyahu to reprimand Danon – his deputy – for speaking the truth.

The AJC and the ADL condemned Danon and Bennett because they claimed that by speaking the truth they harmed the chances of the “two-state solution.”

But of course, that is absurd.

The reason the so-called “twostate solution” has no chance of success is because the Palestinians reject the Jewish state, not because Jews reject another Arab state. Pointing this out is not harmful. It is essential. [.........]

The only party that benefits from American Jewish groups attacking duly elected Israeli leaders for stating the truth is the Obama administration. It is Washington, not Jerusalem that insistently clings to the ridiculous “two-state solution.”

It is Washington, not Jerusalem that insists a policy of reducing Israel to an indefensible, riven and weak Jewish statelet without its capital city or heartland is the magic bullet for solving everything from the global jihad to Arab illiteracy and misogyny.

By defending the administration’s unhealthy obsession with Israel, these American Jewish groups, with multi-million dollar budgets and automatic access to the media, are promoting an agenda that necessarily rejects the legitimacy of Israeli elections, and the views of the majority of Israelis. [...........] These positions also pit them against the majority of American Jews.

As the ZOA noted, polls of American Jews carried out by the AJC itself over the past two years show that not only do the majority of Israelis oppose the establishment of a Palestinian state, the majority of American Jews oppose it as well. A Gallup poll taken over the past year showed that the majority of Americans in general also oppose the establishment of a Palestinian state.

The silver lining in this story is that not all American Jews are taking their organizational leadership’s abuse of their values and views lying down. In addition to helping the ZOA to expand its reach, in community after community, activists, generally with no financial assistance, are forming new groups to advance the interests and values of America’s Jews that are being trounced by the major Jewish organizations.

Over the past 10 years independent activists have banded together under an assortment of names – Christians and Jews United for Israel, Children of Jewish Holocaust Survivors, JCCWatch and countless others to do the work that the American Jewish organizational leadership refuses to do.

In New York, JCCWatch has organized protests against the Jewish Federation-funded 92nd Street Y for repeatedly providing forums for outspoken Jewhaters including Alice Walker and Roger Waters to air their poisonous views.

In San Francisco, a nurse named Masha Merkulova founded the Rimon Club in 2011. The Rimon Club organizes events to educate the Jewish community about Israel.  [.......]

According to senior Israeli officials, and leaked PA documents, after Obama came into office, his senior advisers told their Israeli interlocutors that they controlled the American Jewish community. Under Obama, these Israeli leaders were told, there would be no more American Jewish voices opposing the two-state solution or opposing pressure on Israel.

With J Street, they said, AIPAC would no longer defend Israel.

Maybe they were right. But what is certainly true, is that despite its audits, its alleged denials of nonprofit status, and its American Jewish mouthpieces, the Obama administration has not silenced the American Jews. From coast to coast, authentic, courageous American Jewish groups are forming and organizing. Their members understand that there are things that are more important than multi-million dollar budgets and invitations to White House parties.

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  1. 1 | July 19, 2013 3:46 pm

    Implicitly, the administration supports the PLO’s demand that for a Palestinian state to be formed, those areas – as well as much of Jerusalem – must first be ethnically cleansed of Jews.

    Make no mistake about it. Obama and Kerry (and Clinton before him) enthusiastically support a Judenrein Palestinian State with Jerusalem as its Capitol. American Jews should be sounding the alarm about this. The Palestinians are a genocidal people. Very few of them support living peacefully along side the Jews in Israel, and the majority of them would kill that tiny minority if they knew who they were. Obama supports these people.


  2. 2 | July 19, 2013 3:49 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    In Obama’s mind he stands with Arabs because he views them as Black. Even though Jews and Arabs are ethnic cousins.


  3. RIX
    3 | July 19, 2013 3:59 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    In Obama’s mind he stands with Arabs because he views them as Black. Even though Jews and Arabs are ethnic cousins.

    I think that a lot of it has to do
    with his Muslim father.
    The Kenyan Obamas viewed themselves as
    Arabs & probably still do,


  4. 4 | July 19, 2013 4:04 pm

    @ RIX:

    Yup.


  5. eaglesoars
    5 | July 19, 2013 4:40 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I think that a lot of it has to do
    with his Muslim father.

    And what a role model HE was


  6. 6 | July 19, 2013 4:51 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Obama always wanted to be street. His momma was a whore, and his dad, while not quite a pimp, was certainly a dissolute person.


  7. RIX
    7 | July 19, 2013 4:54 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    I think that a lot of it has to do
    with his Muslim father.

    And what a role model HE was

    But Obama idolizes him.
    Obama has in my opnion has emotional problems.


  8. RIX
    8 | July 19, 2013 4:54 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Papa was a rollin stone.


  9. eaglesoars
    9 | July 19, 2013 4:59 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    His momma was a whore,

    well that may be a bit harsh. she was certainly a socialist tho


  10. 10 | July 19, 2013 5:16 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    Paychologically speaking Obama comes from a dysfunctional family. He personally identifies with his absentee father because he considers blacks to be superior to whites. The grandmother who raised him, OTOH, was a typical white person, in Obama’s mind.


  11. eaglesoars
    11 | July 19, 2013 5:19 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Paychologically speaking Obama comes from a dysfunctional family.

    oh yeah.

    his maternal grandfather was no prize either


  12. heysoos
    12 | July 19, 2013 5:20 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Obama always wanted to be street. His momma was a whore, and his dad, while not quite a pimp, was certainly a dissolute person.

    not only was she a whore, she sold young Barry to local perverts, who abused him without remorse


  13. 13 | July 19, 2013 5:26 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Ideologically speaking, you are correct. Obama was raised to be a good Communist. McCain failed to make an issue of that in his campaign, but I don’t believe that McCain ever had any intention of winning.


  14. eaglesoars
    14 | July 19, 2013 5:32 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    not only was she a whore, she sold young Barry to local perverts, who abused him without remorse

    where did THAT come from???


  15. 15 | July 19, 2013 5:36 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    I think he means ideologically, I.e. Frank Marshall Davis.


  16. rain of lead
    16 | July 19, 2013 5:50 pm

    hey ya’ll

    this is not from the onion
    Ingham County judge rules Detroit bankruptcy be withdrawn; Schuette appeals

    From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130719/METRO01/307190099#ixzz2ZWwzJdtY

    Prior to her ruling on Friday, the judge criticized the Snyder administration and Attorney General’s Office over its hasty move to outflank pension board attorneys.

    “It’s cheating, sir, and it’s cheating good people who work,” the judge told assistant Attorney General Brian Devlin. “It’s also not honoring the (United States) president, who took (Detroit’s auto companies) out of bankruptcy.”

    Aquilina said she would make sure President Obama got a copy of her order.

    “I know he’s watching this,” she said, predicting the president ultimately will have to do something to make sure existing city workers’ pension agreements are honored.

    amazing how she was able to talk with her mouth full of Obamas dick


  17. heysoos
    17 | July 19, 2013 5:53 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    not only was she a whore, she sold young Barry to local perverts, who abused him without remorse
    where did THAT come from???

    I can make up stuff too


  18. 18 | July 19, 2013 5:54 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    amazing how she was able to talk with her mouth full of Obamas dick

    Gawd, beer came outta my nose! :D


  19. heysoos
    19 | July 19, 2013 5:55 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    stroking for a better job…just another bot


  20. lobo91
    20 | July 19, 2013 5:55 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    amazing how she was able to talk with her mouth full of Obamas dick

    Also amazing that she thinks that a state district judge has any say over a bankruptcy proceeding. Last time I checked, those took place in federal court.


  21. heysoos
    21 | July 19, 2013 5:56 pm

    get yer checkbook out…this is only the beginning


  22. heysoos
    22 | July 19, 2013 6:02 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ rain of lead:
    amazing how she was able to talk with her mouth full of Obamas dick
    Also amazing that she thinks that a state district judge has any say over a bankruptcy proceeding. Last time I checked, those took place in federal court.

    so?..Eric Holder imposes himself wherever he wants


  23. eaglesoars
    23 | July 19, 2013 6:02 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I can make up stuff too

    *snicker*


  24. eaglesoars
    24 | July 19, 2013 6:04 pm

    I feel a nap coming on


  25. 25 | July 19, 2013 6:10 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    I don’t think this judge can order the Feds to bail Detroit out. That’s a non-starter. She also seems to be under the impression that Obama is our Dictator. It just doesn’t work that way.


  26. lobo91
    26 | July 19, 2013 6:13 pm

    Well, the big Bloomberg event in Denver was less than overwhelming.

    About 50 people showed up to speak to about 75 reporters about how requiring background checks would have prevented Holmes from shooting up that theater.

    Never mind the fact that he passed a background check. Facts aren’t important.

    Leia made some new friends, anyway. I think they’re trying to start a group of their own: Dogs Against Illegal Mayors.


  27. 27 | July 19, 2013 6:13 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    There are indications he was molested by Frank Marshall Davis. Part of it is evident in the way he acts. Also, the continuous stream of information about his closet homosexuality lends weight to those rumors being true.
    Lets keep crystal clear in our minds that his father was 7/8 arab, and while dark skinned, only 1/8 African Negro. That means Obungler is 1/16th African, half cracker, 7/16 pedophile err muslim, and 100% communist.
    Obamunism, Communism’s retarded bastard child.


  28. lobo91
    28 | July 19, 2013 6:14 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ rain of lead:
    I don’t think this judge can order the Feds to bail Detroit out. That’s a non-starter. She also seems to be under the impression that Obama is our Dictator. It just doesn’t work that way.

    She should just order the city to discover gold in one of their parks.

    That would solve all their problems.


  29. rain of lead
    29 | July 19, 2013 6:16 pm

    @ lobo91:

    it comes from something in the state constitution
    lemme see here…..

    This is the specific Michigan State Constitutional provision at play. Section 24 of the Michigan State Constitution reads as follows:
    Section 24: Public Pension Plans and Retirement Systems, Obligation – The accrued financial benefits of each pension plan and retirement system of the state and its political subdivisions shall be a contractual obligation thereof which shall not be diminished or impaired thereby. Financial benefits, annual funding. Financial benefits arising on account of service rendered in each fiscal year shall be funded during that year and such funding shall not be used for financing unfunded accrued liabilities.

    But that itself would be unconstitutional — that would give Detroit voters the right to vote themselves the wealth of Michigan taxpayers.

    Which seems to be precisely what the judge is saying — Detroit spent money it didn’t have, and spent itself into the grave, and now innocent taxpayers are required to make good on its contracts, despite not being parties to those contracts and despite not being under the sovereign political authority of Detroit.

    this is just a first step
    somebody is gonna lose
    hope its not us (the U.S. taxpayers), cause you know an uncle sugar
    bailout is where this is heading


  30. 30 | July 19, 2013 6:17 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    amazing how she was able to talk with her mouth full of Obamas dick

    Obungler has a dick? Any proof?


  31. 31 | July 19, 2013 6:19 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ rain of lead:
    I don’t think this judge can order the Feds to bail Detroit out. That’s a non-starter. She also seems to be under the impression that Obama is our Dictator. It just doesn’t work that way.

    Obungler thinks he is our dictator too. Maybe thats the dick Rain of lead meant. Oops, sorry.


  32. yenta-fada
    32 | July 19, 2013 6:19 pm

    The head of the Simon Weisenthal Center condemns the European Union boycott of Israeli businesses.

    “Not to be outdone by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry’s shuttle diplomacy to restart the peace effort between Israel and the Palestinians, the European Union has tried to get into the fray by slamming Israel with an ill-conceived boycott decree.

    Although not labeling it a boycott, the EU this week passed soft guidelines preventing grants to Israeli institutions operating in settlements that extend beyond the 1967 armistice lines – effectively in the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights and East Jerusalem. On July 19, the EU released a document in the Official Journal of the European Union entitled, “Guidelines on the eligibility of Israeli entities and their activities in the territories occupied by Israel since June 1967 for grants, prizes and financial instruments funded by the EU from 2014 onwards.”

    It is not idle speculation to think that Israel’s enemies might be rejoicing at this new measure against the Jewish state. However, these guidelines serve neither the Palestinian nor the Israeli people and in essence decelerate the peace process rather than advancing it.”
    article goes on to state reasons.


  33. 33 | July 19, 2013 6:20 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I’m surprised she didn’t think of that. Liberal judges are going to run into the same kind of thing in a decade when our creditors quit buying bonds. I guess they’ll just order the United States to print all the money it needs, like those idiots with the concept of a $1 trillion Platinum coin. I think that brilliant economist Paul Krugman was the one who came up with that bright idea.


  34. lobo91
    34 | July 19, 2013 6:20 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    Tell her to get out her checkbook.

    The city is broke. The union workers broke it.


  35. taxfreekiller
    35 | July 19, 2013 6:21 pm

    got rained out doing some tracking of the commie democrats gofer lawdog

    William J. Wilkins,, Yale, Harvard Law, big time tax atty , former lead staff guy for Democrat (commie) Senate Finance Committee, has to be one of the ones who helped with the Obama care crapola, has to be a made man of the commie cult of tax fraud world.

    lots of reserch being done on him now for sure.

    He goes way back and $ follows this one.

    Worked pro-bono for Rev. NoRight when Obozo did the political sermons from the nut job church and the IRS jumped in. This guy saved the day by paying off the RINO’s be my guess, Pork Flow, deal.

    He has stuff on the IRS web site, one where he talked to the Tax Executives Institute March 18, 2013 where he talked about how the rules for Obama care are being done.

    This guy knows where the graves are.

    He is up to his neck in the Tea Party voter suppression fraud.

    He is why the Democrats can not let it go any more up the food chain, cause this guy is steel core weld to Obama hip in the dirt, he goes Obama goes.

    The “Skull and Bones” eact coast elites of the commie Democrats are not going to let one of their own to be busted to save this rube from the Chicago way.

    My guess is that Obama has to know and may be getting the message now.

    The Union’s bucking up on the Obama care shows the Unions must think Obama is about to exit commie left trap door, they may send him to Cuba as the first and only Ambasador there and soon as he has his last day in office.

    They do eat there own from time to time.


  36. heysoos
    36 | July 19, 2013 6:21 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ rain of lead:
    I don’t think this judge can order the Feds to bail Detroit out. That’s a non-starter. She also seems to be under the impression that Obama is our Dictator. It just doesn’t work that way.

    it doesn’t…how does it not?…BO and Holder have you by the balls because they have the numbers…they KNOW you will back down to save your own neck…they are laughing at you…the ‘way it works’ is however they want it to because they know you don’t have the guts to challenge them….you’ve said yourself it’s not about principle, it’s about politics…so live with what you’ve created, but that includes being mocked in your weakness


  37. rain of lead
    37 | July 19, 2013 6:22 pm

    this is the best comment about this whole thing

    None of which has anything to do with Math. That which cannot be paid will not be paid. That’s reality and reality is a stone cold bitch.


  38. lobo91
    38 | July 19, 2013 6:24 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    Financial benefits arising on account of service rendered in each fiscal year shall be funded during that year and such funding shall not be used for financing unfunded accrued liabilities.

    In other words, they’re required to put the money aside needed to finance future pension obligations, and can’t raid the funds the way Congress has with Social Security.

    If they didn’t do that, then they’ve already violated their constitution. Why didn’t anyone do anything about it at the time?


  39. lobo91
    39 | July 19, 2013 6:26 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    None of which has anything to do with Math. That which cannot be paid will not be paid. That’s reality and reality is a stone cold bitch.

    Exactly. Socialists, meet reality.


  40. rain of lead
    40 | July 19, 2013 6:28 pm

    this commenter has a slight clue as to what might be going on

    The fundamental problem here is that Detroit filed Chapter 9 bankruptcy.

    Under which the city expects to emerge as a going concern again, once relieved of some of the debt it recklessly took on.

    Snyder missed a trick. He should have insisted that they go into Chapter 7 instead.

    A filing under 7 is liquidation.

    End of Detroit as a municipal entity. Disincorporation. The city ceases to exist.

    That’s the direction I see them going in.

    Chapter 9 was probably a start under the idea that they MIGHT be able to restructure. The judge shit-canning that idea opens up the idea of Chapter 7 now, which means no more Detroit and that Wayne County likely takes it up the ass.


  41. heysoos
    41 | July 19, 2013 6:30 pm

    Detroit is chicken feed compared to what’s coming…time to get over your shock


  42. rain of lead
    42 | July 19, 2013 6:30 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ rain of lead:

    Financial benefits arising on account of service rendered in each fiscal year shall be funded during that year and such funding shall not be used for financing unfunded accrued liabilities.

    In other words, they’re required to put the money aside needed to finance future pension obligations, and can’t raid the funds the way Congress has with Social Security.

    If they didn’t do that, then they’ve already violated their constitution. Why didn’t anyone do anything about it at the time?

    ummmm…….politicians?
    just a guess mind you, I could be wrong


  43. heysoos
    43 | July 19, 2013 6:32 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    some people have very structured lives…when they get their throats cut they are amazed and stupified


  44. taxfreekiller
    44 | July 19, 2013 6:32 pm

    Wayne County can not pay, they go Chapter 7, that puts the state on the hook, them the State pleads with the commie brother and he waves the tax wand and We Pay.


  45. rain of lead
    45 | July 19, 2013 6:33 pm

    @ heysoos:

    what makes you think we’re shocked?
    every single person on this blog knows whats going on
    it’s like a slow motion train wreck or the first cracks in the snow before an avalanche

    we’re just watching and making amusing banter


  46. heysoos
    46 | July 19, 2013 6:34 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:
    yeppers…it’s already a done deal, just have to make up the language


  47. taxfreekiller
    47 | July 19, 2013 6:34 pm

    7 or 8 States are broke on their ass, all Democrat, all looking to the Democrat Mob for a bail out with our withholding.


  48. lobo91
    48 | July 19, 2013 6:35 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Again, this is a problem I saw coming when I was in grad school. Most state and local pension plans at the time were structured as “defined benefit” plans. That means if a person works X number of years, they receive some specified percentage of their pay as their pension. That’s great if what that worker paid into the system actually covers that payout, but it increasingly doesn’t, especially when you have system’s like California’s, where they base the pension on the last year’s gross pay, and let people work as much overtime as they want in order to inflate it.

    The localities that aren’t facing bankruptcy now switched to a “defined contribution” plan, where the worker pays in a set percentage of their pay, and when they retire, the amount they’ve paid in determines what they receive as a pension.

    I have no sympathy for these union members who demanded underfunded pension plans and are now whining about not getting paid. They should have saved some of their bloated salaries while they were working.


  49. taxfreekiller
    49 | July 19, 2013 6:36 pm

    McCain will vote with the Mob as well as 7 or 8 other made RINO’s.


  50. rain of lead
    50 | July 19, 2013 6:40 pm

    n other news, if GM cannot make the next $20-billion payment on their under-funded pension plans (as left over from the bailout) then those all get dumped onto us taxpayers via the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp.


  51. taxfreekiller
    51 | July 19, 2013 6:40 pm

    When GM got bailed out they had like 55,000 workers on the job and were paying 250,000 who had retired.

    Anyone who thinks the commie way works is certified insane at the get go.

    Only question left is will we “marks” get in a fist fight with this mob of commie nuts.

    It is a now and was forerver a “con” and we are the “marks”. the law will not hear our case, so it is a gravel back alley gang fight or we allow ourselves and our kids to be rolled.


  52. taxfreekiller
    52 | July 19, 2013 6:43 pm

    The current RNC, House leadership, Senate leadership will roll over as they have a history of doing so. In fact they make a living doing that.


  53. heysoos
    53 | July 19, 2013 6:45 pm

    a lesser intellect can describes the faults all day long…we all see that…the greater intellect proposes solutions


  54. lobo91
    54 | July 19, 2013 6:47 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    n other news, if GM cannot make the next $20-billion payment on their under-funded pension plans (as left over from the bailout) then those all get dumped onto us taxpayers via the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp.

    But remember, GM is profitable, and didn’t cost the taxpayers a dime!

    Well, except for that little matter of $36 billion worth of GM stock that we still own, that will have to go up by 1,000% for us to break even.

    But Osama bin Laden’s still dead, right?


  55. heysoos
    55 | July 19, 2013 6:49 pm

    start by impeaching Holder…he deserves it, the fact that he won’t likely be convicted is beside the point


  56. rain of lead
    56 | July 19, 2013 6:52 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    The current RNC, House leadership, Senate leadership will roll over as they have a history of doing so. In fact they make a living doing that.

    and piss themselves
    don’t forget piss themselves


  57. 57 | July 19, 2013 6:54 pm

    I@ lobo91:
    It sounds like Social Security. Social Security would be fine if they’d really put the money aside for retirement, bu they raided it for cash the whole time. There’s nothing in the Social Security Trust Fund but IOUs. All these pension funds have been ran like Ponzi schemes. The Democrats simply don’t care. They think that they can always print the money or raise taxes. The problem is that they are alredy squeezing about as much as the economy will stand in taxes right now. The next decade is goin to be an interesting ride.


  58. heysoos
    58 | July 19, 2013 6:56 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    your own GOP doesn’t care either…show me otherwise


  59. rain of lead
    59 | July 19, 2013 7:05 pm

    They have refused to allow measures legal, necessary and proper for the health of the public fisc to be taken.”

    “They have repeatedly interefered with long-standing operations of the courts in order to enrich their supporters.”

    “They have repeatedly invented Constitutional restrictions out of whole cloth in order to enact policies when not having legislative power to do so.”

    “They have repeatedly sought for the citizens of states with properly managed finances to sacrifice for profligate ones.”

    *taps chin*
    now where have I heard those words before?


  60. taxfreekiller
    60 | July 19, 2013 7:05 pm

    Some where around 2,000 Kings and Queens leading the U.S.A. all of them naked as a jay birds, yet thinking they stand before U.S. in the Best Gold Clothing in History.


  61. lobo91
    61 | July 19, 2013 7:05 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Social Security would still be facing insolvency because of demographics, but it would be much further down the line. There are $4 trillion in IOUs in the “trust fund” now.


  62. heysoos
    62 | July 19, 2013 7:05 pm

    blogs are crazy…
    of you roll over and take it up the ass, you are astute, wise, and politically savvy…
    if you resist, you are stupid, dangerous, foolish and a political liability


  63. Speranza
    63 | July 19, 2013 7:06 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    start by impeaching Holder…he deserves it, the fact that he won’t likely be convicted is beside the point

    He is Obama’s twin.


  64. lobo91
    64 | July 19, 2013 7:06 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    now where have I heard those words before?

    Sounds like something from a Tea Party rally…
    //


  65. Speranza
    65 | July 19, 2013 7:07 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    I think that a lot of it has to do
    with his Muslim father.

    And what a role model HE was

    The guy who abandoned him.


  66. 66 | July 19, 2013 7:07 pm

    @ heysoos:
    That gives the Democrats the House and Senate. What do you think impeaching and failing to remove Holder will do? It’s a non-starter. There’s a reson impeachment is so rare.


  67. heysoos
    67 | July 19, 2013 7:16 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I disregard your automatic assumptions…impeachment is a powerful voice…you are fixed on conviction, that’s for sissies…impeachment is a very loud and dramatic device…it fucks up Holders resume, it puts it onto the history books, and sends a clear message that congress will fullfil it’s obligations…kick him in the nuts…the difference between you and me is that I’d rather fight it out while you ponder your retirement…that’s not leadership, it’s cowardess


  68. heysoos
    68 | July 19, 2013 7:24 pm

    my idealism is on fire…it’s seems to me a last result…
    I don’t mean to offend anyone


  69. 69 | July 19, 2013 7:29 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Yeah, impeachment would be a powerful voice. For the Democrats who’d scream racism and the LIVs would eat it up. You probably think Pickett’s Charge was a brilliant strategic move, too. Right now we hold the House, and have a shot at the Senate. That is taking some hold of the reigns of power. Right now we can at least block? most of Obama’s agenda with the House, and winning the Senate, if we can do it will give us more ability to do that. Impeach Holder, and that chance probably goes away. Impeachment is a political question. It is always a political question. You ignore the political ramifications to make a “powerful statement”. That’ll win battles the same way Pickett’s Charge did, not taking the Objective (the Senate would never remove Holder, so you are never goingto take the objective), and littering the ground with the bodies of you men (House nad Senate seats lost that could have been won and held). What do you really think impeachment will do?


  70. lobo91
    70 | July 19, 2013 7:40 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    What do you really think impeachment will do?

    It’ll give future poli sci professors something to talk about in their classes.

    “Believe it or not, there was actually a time when there was a second major political party in this country.”


  71. 71 | July 19, 2013 7:48 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I@ lobo91:
    It sounds like Social Security. Social Security would be fine if they’d really put the money aside for retirement, bu they raided it for cash the whole time. There’s nothing in the Social Security Trust Fund but IOUs. All these pension funds have been ran like Ponzi schemes. The Democrats simply don’t care. They think that they can always print the money or raise taxes. The problem is that they are alredy squeezing about as much as the economy will stand in taxes right now. The next decade is goin to be an interesting ride.

    I must be seeing a diffrent reality. I see our economy being choked by the crippling tax and ballooning debt. We are so screwed, and when the Detroit mess gets dumped on the tax payers, places like Commifornia and New Pork will line up to throw off their liabilities faster then a Japanese bullet train.


  72. 72 | July 19, 2013 7:52 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I disregard your automatic assumptions…impeachment is a powerful voice…you are fixed on conviction, that’s for sissies…impeachment is a very loud and dramatic device…it fucks up Holders resume, it puts it onto the history books, and sends a clear message that congress will fullfil it’s obligations…kick him in the nuts…the difference between you and me is that I’d rather fight it out while you ponder your retirement…that’s not leadership, it’s cowardess

    Some how I do not see you walking arround with the mark of the beast.
    They should impeach Holder and a few more of hte crooks. Put it on the National News! Let America see all the corruption and dare people to shrug and move on! Some will. You are right there my friend.


  73. texasam7
    73 | July 19, 2013 7:54 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I hear you. Living in a GM town, listening to the working class aristocrats who, pardon me, “worked” at the plant, you’d have thought they were trapped in some Dickensian treadmill.


  74. 74 | July 19, 2013 7:55 pm

    Looks like Armed Elmo has killed yet another thread? Or are people really at dinner?


  75. lobo91
    75 | July 19, 2013 7:57 pm

    @ texasam7:

    When they were discussing the GM bailout, I actually recall someone saying “If these jobs go away, where else is someone with a high school diploma going to make that kind of money?”

    Ummm…nowhere? That’s pretty much the problem.

    If you’re paying some semi-literate $45 an hour to spend 4 hours a day tightening bolts (and the other 4 goofing off), you deserve to go bankrupt.


  76. darkwords
    76 | July 19, 2013 8:10 pm

    @ 51 taxfreekiller: We need to get the feds out of local laws.


  77. darkwords
    77 | July 19, 2013 8:13 pm

    Conservatives are too afraid the dems will call them evil in the media if conservative sling some muck. That leaves all the muck for the dems to sling at will at conservatives with media support.


  78. darkwords
    78 | July 19, 2013 8:16 pm

    ‘Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago’: President Obama says history of racism in the U.S. ‘that doesn’t go away’ makes Zimmerman acquittal painful for black Americans

    Is obama saying he was a wanna be thug when he was a teenager. Mom couldn’t control him. Dad couldn’t control him? This is the black martyr syndrome where they take problems everyone has and try and create a racial version of it to further victimize themselves. It becomes one of those self fulfilling prophecies.


  79. darkwords
    79 | July 19, 2013 8:18 pm

    The only solution for racism is to say bullshit to the person that victimizes the word. That is the only solution. Other wise it just becomes a low level infection. Better to teach kindergarteners to say bullshit then to recycle.


  80. lobo91
    80 | July 19, 2013 8:24 pm

    @ darkwords:

    It’s just like the time back in 2008 when Mooch talked about how “as a black man in America” her husband could be shot stopping at the gas station.

    What she left out was that if he were shot at a gas station, it would have been by another black male.


  81. RIX
    81 | July 19, 2013 8:52 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ darkwords:

    It’s just like the time back in 2008 when Mooch talked about how “as a black man in America” her husband could be shot stopping at the gas station.

    What she left out was that if he were shot at a gas station, it would have been by another black male.

    Yup in the Kenwood neighborhood where their house is,
    Odds on it would have been a young Black thug.


  82. eaglesoars
    82 | July 19, 2013 8:57 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Yup in the Kenwood neighborhood where their house is,
    Odds on it would have been a young Black thug.

    Didn’t they make a big deal about going to a funeral of a young girl murdered in a driveby in their ‘hood? I think the kid they arrested was about 15


  83. RIX
    83 | July 19, 2013 9:03 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Yup in the Kenwood neighborhood where their house is,
    Odds on it would have been a young Black thug.

    Didn’t they make a big deal about going to a funeral of a young girl murdered in a driveby in their ‘hood? I think the kid they arrested was about 15

    Yup, Mooch flew in for it. Of course the fault
    was


  84. RIX
    84 | July 19, 2013 9:03 pm

    @ RIX:
    The crackas.


  85. rain of lead
    85 | July 19, 2013 9:08 pm

    Detroit’s emergency manager was interviewed on one of the Detroit news stations this afternoon and although he declined to discuss Judge Light-Socket- Hair’s order as he said it was currently in litigation(the State of Michigan AG has filed a request for an emergency stay of her order with the Appeals Court), he smiled and cheerily announced that the Federal Bankruptcy Court had assigned a judge to the case today, a judge that Mr. Orr is familiar with and has great respect for his longstanding bankruptcy experience.

    By the way, the city of Detroit, according to Orr, has never funded their health care pension obligations. Never. Big fat 0. How does that square with the constitutional provision?


  86. RIX
    86 | July 19, 2013 9:17 pm

    Hannity has got a panel discussing the Zimmerman
    Case.
    Peter Johnson a loud mouth(self evident)
    Tat Jamu woman is on. She never listens & just
    Robotically plows through her talking points.
    This is getting tedious.


  87. RIX
    87 | July 19, 2013 9:22 pm

    @ RIX:
    I meant that Peter Johnson called Beckel a loudmouth.
    I concurr.


  88. Da_Beerfreak
    88 | July 19, 2013 9:25 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I disregard your automatic assumptions…impeachment is a powerful voice…you are fixed on conviction, that’s for sissies…impeachment is a very loud and dramatic device…it fucks up Holders resume, it puts it onto the history books, and sends a clear message that congress will fullfil it’s obligations…kick him in the nuts…the difference between you and me is that I’d rather fight it out while you ponder your retirement…that’s not leadership, it’s cowardess

    Kamikazes don’t win wars.
    They are a sign of hopeless desperation …


  89. eaglesoars
    89 | July 19, 2013 9:34 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Tat Jamu woman is on. She never listens & just
    Robotically plows through her talking points.

    She’s a racist. She once called Tucker Carlson ‘bowtie boy’. She apologized but I never believed it.

    I’m watching The Great Escape on the military channel. great movie


  90. RIX
    90 | July 19, 2013 9:37 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Tat Jamu woman is on. She never listens & just
    Robotically plows through her talking points.

    She’s a racist. She once called Tucker Carlson ‘bowtie boy’. She apologized but I never believed it.

    I’m watching The Great Escape on the military channel. great movie

    Jamu is a semi literate with a great gig and yes a racist.
    That is a great movie.


  91. coldwarrior
    91 | July 19, 2013 9:38 pm

    update…the new thread is now the saturday lecture.

    pretty interesting stuff


  92. rain of lead
    92 | July 19, 2013 9:39 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    hey cw
    got some info about momcat


  93. coldwarrior
    93 | July 19, 2013 9:39 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    hey cw
    got some info about momcat

    do tell…


  94. rain of lead
    94 | July 19, 2013 9:42 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    the copd is what is causing her weight loss
    her body is working so hard to get oxygen that her metabolism is through the roof
    she has lost 6 lbs in 6 weeks
    just one more thing to be aware of


  95. eaglesoars
    95 | July 19, 2013 9:45 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    don’t know if this will help but my mom had a similar problem Ensure helped with the calories and she loved the chocolate flavor


  96. darkwords
    96 | July 19, 2013 9:48 pm

    Zimmerman 911 Calls.

    Of the twelve incidents in which race was given, six, including the incident reporting TM, involved black males (#34, 36, 37, 39, 42, 43), 5 involved white males (#3, 11, 23, 24, 40), and one involved two Hispanic males and one white male (#9). We could just count eyeballs (or skin color) and draw conclusions about whether GZ is a racial profiler on that basis. But as in most things, context matters. Which way does the context cut in this case? Probably in both directions.


  97. rain of lead
    97 | July 19, 2013 9:48 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    thanks
    that is on the plan later
    have done some research and gonna see how it goes
    as they say knowing is half the battle
    knowing the why, I can be ready for the how


  98. coldwarrior
    98 | July 19, 2013 9:48 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    @ eaglesoars:

    copd is a sonofabitch to treat. what works for one doesnt work the other…its a never ending balance of calories v calories burned, 02 or not enough o2, sleep, fluids…


  99. RIX
    99 | July 19, 2013 9:51 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    My wife went through radiation therapy.
    He doctor said nto feed her high caloric meals.
    After work i would bring home milk shakes, fries
    & burgers etc.
    It worked, but I ate the same meals & I put on weight.
    When The doctor saw me he said, “I didn’t say you.”


  100. darkwords
    100 | July 19, 2013 9:53 pm

    Of the five calls the state introduced as supposed support for its theory that they showed Zimmerman’s state of mind as a profiler and wannabe cop [note that those 5 calls only overlap with the 5 I have identified involving black males], two of the calls pertained to the Beltaran home invasion, in which he didn’t profile anyone. He reported seeing someone who matched the description the homeowner (and his wife) had initially given police. The person he reported not only turned out to be the perpetrator, but the perpetrator was only able to be charged after his latent prints were found on the wall he had jumped over from Retreat at Twin Lakes to the neighboring complex. Burgess didn’t just commit one burglary, but several, and he was found in possession of some of the stolen property when he was arrested. He had a long record as a juvenile and he lived in the neighborhood. . . . That leaves a total of 2 calls prior to February 26 in which he reported African American males as suspicious.


  101. darkwords
    101 | July 19, 2013 9:55 pm

    @ 94 rain of lead:What is COPD?


  102. lobo91
    102 | July 19, 2013 9:57 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Angela Corey really needs to be disbarred


  103. rain of lead
    103 | July 19, 2013 9:57 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    yup
    all of that and a bag of cookies


  104. eaglesoars
    104 | July 19, 2013 9:58 pm

    RIX wrote:

    “I didn’t say you.”

    forgive me but I just busted a gut………..


  105. eaglesoars
    105 | July 19, 2013 9:59 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 94 rain of lead:What is COPD?

    chronic obstructive pulminary disease


  106. RIX
    106 | July 19, 2013 10:00 pm

    @ darkwords:
    That’s like the meme that Black males are disproportionately
    Incarcerated.
    The conclusion is that the system is racist..
    Another conclusion is that Black males commit a disproportionate
    amount of crime


  107. Calo
    107 | July 19, 2013 10:00 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    COPD


  108. Calo
    108 | July 19, 2013 10:01 pm

    @ Calo:
    Link meant for DarkWords


  109. eaglesoars
    109 | July 19, 2013 10:01 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    pulminary

    pulmonary

    sheesh


  110. lobo91
    110 | July 19, 2013 10:01 pm

    They just showed some idiots marching with signs that said “No Justice, No Peace”…in Spanish.

    Did they miss the part where Zimmerman is Hispanic?


  111. darkwords
    111 | July 19, 2013 10:02 pm

    @ eaglesoars:Ahh i will have to read up on it. I defer to the medical people here but listen to the doc. and will say my prayers.


  112. RIX
    112 | July 19, 2013 10:02 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 94 rain of lead:What is COPD?

    chronic obstructive pulminary disease

    Tough diagnosis, but from what I know it can be manged.


  113. lobo91
    113 | July 19, 2013 10:02 pm

    @ RIX:

    They’re not incarcerated disproportionately to the crimes they commit.


  114. darkwords
    114 | July 19, 2013 10:02 pm

    The Zimmerman 911 call. Seems pretty normal to me. He was trying to work with the police.


  115. coldwarrior
    115 | July 19, 2013 10:02 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    pulminary

    pulmonary
    sheesh

    you still pass the quiz.

    :lol:


  116. RIX
    116 | July 19, 2013 10:03 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    They just showed some idiots marching with signs that said “No Justice, No Peace”…in Spanish.

    Did they miss the part where Zimmerman is Hispanic?

    Si


  117. eaglesoars
    117 | July 19, 2013 10:05 pm

    RIX wrote:

    but from what I know it can be manged.

    oxygen. unfortunately mom also had dementia and I’d catch her at 3:30 in the morning trying to dismantle the machine because she didn’t know what it was.

    dark times.


  118. Calo
    118 | July 19, 2013 10:06 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Quanell X is playing the “cash in on whitey guilt” game this Sunday.

    If I wasn’t in charge of the girls swim team banquet this Sunday, I think I would mosey on over.

    http://www.khou.com/news/local/HPD-chief-Stay-away-from-River-Oaks-protest-216085491.html


  119. darkwords
    119 | July 19, 2013 10:07 pm

    @ Calo:
    I use this Alen air filter. I like it. I live in a highly polluted part of town.


  120. RIX
    120 | July 19, 2013 10:08 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    but from what I know it can be manged.

    oxygen. unfortunately mom also had dementia and I’d catch her at 3:30 in the morning trying to dismantle the machine because she didn’t know what it was.

    dark times.

    Tough, you have my sympathy.
    I witnessed my aunt with Alzheimers.


  121. lobo91
    121 | July 19, 2013 10:09 pm

    @ RIX:

    Now, it is true that blacks who are arrested and charged are more likely to end up in prison than whites are, but it’s not because of race. It’s because of income levels. Blacks who are arrested are more likely to be poor and end up with a public defender than whites are.

    If you have a public defender, you’re probably going to prison.


  122. RIX
    122 | July 19, 2013 10:09 pm

    Good night all.


  123. rain of lead
    123 | July 19, 2013 10:13 pm

    @ Calo:

    that sounds like a fun mom kind of chore
    your kid up for any awards?


  124. eaglesoars
    124 | July 19, 2013 10:14 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    If you have a public defender, you’re probably going to prison.

    why is that? are public defenders so inept they can’t get positions at law firms?


  125. Calo
    125 | July 19, 2013 10:23 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    The kid still swims and is up for a spot or two in All Stars for Houston (tomorrow morning is the next qualifying meet) , but her real joy is in coaching the 7/8 year old kids.

    Me, I’ve been on swim team board of members for 10 years. My time is almost up.


  126. eaglesoars
    126 | July 19, 2013 10:23 pm

    I’m falling asleep.

    nite


  127. rain of lead
    127 | July 19, 2013 10:24 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    they don’t have the time or money to fight against a state prosocuter
    who will cheat at every chance (see zimmerman trial)


  128. lobo91
    128 | July 19, 2013 10:25 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    If you have a public defender, you’re probably going to prison.
    why is that? are public defenders so inept they can’t get positions at law firms?

    In most major cities, they’re vastly understaffed. Half the time, the first time they see the case file or meet the defendant is in the courtroom.


  129. rain of lead
    129 | July 19, 2013 10:28 pm

    @ Calo:

    I know how that can wear on you
    well done ma’am


  130. The Osprey
    130 | July 19, 2013 11:19 pm

    RIX wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    They just showed some idiots marching with signs that said “No Justice, No Peace”…in Spanish.

    Did they miss the part where Zimmerman is Hispanic?

    Si

    Todos somos Jorge Zimmerman! Autodefensa armada no es un crimen!


  131. lobo91
    131 | July 19, 2013 11:39 pm

    WordPress is acting up tonight.

    I can’t get pictures to attach to a post.


  132. rain of lead
    132 | July 19, 2013 11:52 pm

    holy fuck!!!
    anybody else seen any other source for this?

    BREAKING: Top NSA and DOJ Officials Have Fled the U.S

    In a stunning development, Deputy Director of the NSA, John Inglis, along with Assistant Attorney General, James Cole, have fled the United States after their participation in a contentious congressional meeting on Capitol Hill.

    In that meeting, both Inglis and Cole revealed that the depth of NSA spying far surpassed anything that whistleblower Edward Snowden has made public to date. The unauthorized leaks to Congress by Inglis and Cole, which exposed more about NSA spying than anything Snowden has revealed, shook congressional leaders to their core.

    The National Security Agency revealed to an angry congressional panel on Wednesday that its analysis of phone records and online behavior goes exponentially beyond what it had previously disclosed.

    [...]

    John C Inglis, the deputy director of the surveillance agency, told a member of the House judiciary committee that NSA analysts can perform “a second or third hop query” through its collections of telephone data and internet records in order to find connections to terrorist organizations.

    “Hops” refers to a technical term indicating connections between people. A three-hop query means that the NSA can look at data not only from a suspected terrorist, but from everyone that suspect communicated with, and then from everyone those people communicated with, and then from everyone all of those people communicated with.

    The Obama administration, blindsided by the leaks, immediately announced that the two would be charged under The Espionage Act, and declared them enemies of the state.

    Eric Holder, in a hastily convened press conference, admitted that the two had fled the United States on private jets immediately after the hearing, and that their whereabouts where unknown. He was, however, confident that the U.S. would bring them to justice.“The national security of the United States has been damaged by those leaks. The safety of the American people and safety of people in allied nations is at risk.”


  133. rain of lead
    133 | July 19, 2013 11:55 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    wait
    nevermind
    *double facepalm*


  134. rain of lead
    134 | July 19, 2013 11:56 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    prolly should have read to the bottom


  135. lobo91
    135 | July 20, 2013 12:06 am

    @ rain of lead:

    Probably so


  136. rain of lead
    136 | July 20, 2013 12:09 am

    @ lobo91:

    but hey
    it could be true
    how scary is that


  137. lobo91
    137 | July 20, 2013 12:15 am

    @ rain of lead:

    They should just fly to Detroit.

    Much closer, and nobody’d ever look there.


  138. 138 | July 20, 2013 12:44 am

    @ lobo91:
    She needs to be in prison, stripped of all rights, and when she is released, made to serve as Zimmermans door mat.
    Oh heck, strap her into an electric chair and let her explain to Jesus why she is such an evil bitch.


  139. 139 | July 20, 2013 12:46 am

    @ darkwords:
    It can be early onset emphazima, chronic broncitis, its hell on the respitory system.


  140. 140 | July 20, 2013 12:49 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ darkwords:
    That’s like the meme that Black males are disproportionately
    Incarcerated.
    The conclusion is that the system is racist..
    Another conclusion is that Black males commit a disproportionate
    amount of crime

    Broken homes, no father figure, moms who have kids to keep the welfare bucks rolling makes for a life with out meaning other then crime. Thanks Lyndon, the bain of society Johnson.


  141. huckfunn
    141 | July 20, 2013 12:55 am

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    When GM got bailed out they had like 55,000 workers on the job and were paying 250,000 who had retired.

    Today Mark Steyn quoted someone as saying “the parasite has outgrown the host”. Perfect analogy.


  142. 142 | July 20, 2013 12:58 am

    @ lobo91:
    Too dangerous. Might as well go to Syria. Obungler needs to go there and make a speach read from his trusty teleprompter.


  143. lobo91
    143 | July 20, 2013 1:02 am

    This was a great moment from tonight’s Hannity:

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcQ_eW1_Bok

    I’ll say one thing for Monica Crowley: She’s got guts


  144. Bumr50
    144 | July 20, 2013 1:09 am

    @ JeremyR:

    I’ve had many friends and acquaintances over the years who grew up in a single mother household.

    My observation has been that almost to a fault they’re self-centered, stubborn, feel entitled, and are prone to emotional outbursts.

    I’m not judging – my own parents split up – but they waited until my half-brother was 17 to end the marriage.

    Fathers are NEEDED in a boy’s life.

    Sometimes, you need your ass kicked.


  145. Bumr50
    145 | July 20, 2013 1:12 am

    @ lobo91:

    Resegregation.


  146. 146 | July 20, 2013 1:13 am

    @ huckfunn:
    Seems we have a larger number of parasites then hosts on a national scale.


  147. 147 | July 20, 2013 1:15 am

    @ Bumr50:
    I need my ass kicked? My dad did it plenty often. And he had big hard toed boots.


  148. Bumr50
    148 | July 20, 2013 1:17 am

    @ JeremyR:

    Simple solution: if you’re not disabled according to Social Security, are between the ages of 18 and 65, and derive more than 50% of your total net income from government assistance, you forfeit your right to vote until such time as your income is greater than your assistance.


  149. Bumr50
    149 | July 20, 2013 1:18 am

    @ JeremyR:

    Not you personally.

    The royal “you.”

    ;-)


  150. Bumr50
    150 | July 20, 2013 1:20 am

    @ JeremyR:

    “Wait until your father gets home!!”

    (Also, this fosters an early interest in getting a job! He won’t kick your ass if you’re at work!)

    :-)


  151. Bumr50
    151 | July 20, 2013 1:40 am

    Great questions from a piece at AT by a first-generation immigrant to the USA.

    1- Most new immigrants don’t believe that whites or anyone have much power over their destiny, so why are African Americans constantly told they are powerless without white support and approval?
    2- The most important protection against unfair treatment is the law, and the US has the fairest laws in the world when it comes to protection of minorities. Much better than the laws we immigrants left behind in the old country. So why are blacks buying the propaganda that they are unprotected?
    3- If blacks in America are so oppressed, why then are dark skinned people flocking to come to America?
    4- Most new immigrants don’t look to whites to solve our problems, so why do blacks look to whites to solve their problems?
    5- Are whites responsible for the destiny, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness of blacks and other minorities?
    6- Are whites even that powerful?
    7- How can constant complaining about racism help black kids in any way?
    8- It is obvious to most immigrants that White America often goes out of its way to make up for past injustice, but that seem to never be enough. Why is that?
    9- Why do black and brown immigrants seem to succeed much quicker than African Americans?
    10- Where I came from, slavery as well as sexual slavery still exists and is highly regulated and accepted in Islam, so why are many African Americans converting to Islam but still complain about US history of slavery?
    11- Why are most white people divided into two camps regarding race issues?
    12- Why is the liberal camp full of rage and anger at the conservative camp and accusing them of racism?
    13- Since race baiting is profitable business, will it ever end?
    14- Why are many African American activists constantly saying ‘we need more discussion and dialogue over race’? Haven’t they discussed this to death already?
    15- The whole world has been hearing about racism in America by American media for decades, and CNN International is constantly telling the world we are racists. So how can America expect the world to be anything but hateful towards the US?
    16- Why are African Americans ignoring the fact that old-fashioned slavery still exists in the Muslim world and parts of Africa?
    17- Why aren’t the majority of Americans aware that slavery historically existed extensively within people of the same race all around the world even before America was discovered?

    ht – American Thinker


  152. lobo91
    152 | July 20, 2013 1:42 am

    I put up an OOT, in case anyone’s tired of this one.


  153. lobo91
    153 | July 20, 2013 1:49 am

    @ Bumr50:

    Iran’s Mullah Regime Demands Justice For Trayvon Martin, Slams America For Being A Racist Society…

    At least we now know that they get MSNBC in Iran…


  154. 154 | July 20, 2013 9:42 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ JeremyR:

    Simple solution: if you’re not disabled according to Social Security, are between the ages of 18 and 65, and derive more than 50% of your total net income from government assistance, you forfeit your right to vote until such time as your income is greater than your assistance.

    Why 50%? I’d go for 25 or even 10. I’d also skip the “disabled” tag. Too many disabilities are a sham. I am seven weeks post surgery to repair my neck, and clawing my way back into the work force. Yup, I is stoopid.


  155. 155 | July 20, 2013 9:46 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    Sounds loke a few too many mothers I know. As one coworker said, single moms are not marryable. They are fuck and forget females, fff like black powder, extremely volatile.


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