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Do we really need to have sympathy for the devil?

by Speranza ( 72 Comments › )
Filed under Egypt, Islamists, Leftist-Islamic Alliance, Muslim Brotherhood, Sharia (Islamic Law) at August 16th, 2013 - 12:00 pm

The Devil of course being the Muslim Brotherhood. The Obama administration is reflexively pro M.B.  even though the Islamists are the most reactionary people in the world. However Obama/Kerry can always count on John McCain and Miss Lindsey Graham giving them cover. Funny how Obama was quick to send F-16′s and M1 Abrams tanks to Morsi the fascist but now wants to withhold aid to the Egyptian military. By the way the Egyptian military is cracking down on Islamists in the Sinai.

hat tip – Boker Tov, Boulder

by Ralph Peters

What do we want the future Egypt to look like? A flawed, hybrid democracy, or a Sunni Muslim version of Iran? Based on his bluster yesterday about events on the Nile, Secretary of State John Kerry prefers the latter.

[........]

In full outrage mode, America’s most famous windsurfer castigated the Egyptian authorities, insisting that the Muslim Brotherhood had a right to “peaceful protests.” Apparently, “peaceful” means armed with Kalashnikovs, killing policemen, kidnapping and torturing opponents, turning mosques into prisons, attacking Christians and burning Coptic churches.

The Brotherhood protesters rejected all offers of compromise and all demands to disperse. The interim government’s response was heavy-handed, but the Muslim Brothers chose violent resistance — using women and children as shields (a tactic typical of Islamist terrorists).

Do we really need to have sympathy for the devil?

With its blundering, fickle, late-in-the-day support for whoever appeared to be gaining the upper hand, the Obama administration has managed the remarkable feat of alienating every faction in Egypt. [.......]

There was, indeed, a coup. But not all coups involve tanks. The real coup came after Egypt’s premature, badly flawed election, when Morsi and the Brotherhood excluded all non-Brothers from the political process; curtailed media freedoms and jailed journalists; attacked Christians; and rushed toward an Islamist state that the majority of Egyptians did not want.

Tens of millions of Muslims took to the streets to protest the Brotherhood’s plunge toward tyranny. Only after attempts to persuade an unrepentant Morsi to compromise failed, did the military move against the regime.  [.......]

Yet our breathtakingly inept ambassador backed the Morsi regime right to the end. That isn’t diplomacy. It’s idiocy.

But all you have to do to create witless panic in Washington is cry “Military coup!” Well, sometimes — regrettably — a military is all that stands between a population and deadly (and anti-American) fanaticism. Despite yesterday’s bloodshed, would we really prefer a return to Brotherhood rule? Stuff the political correctness and get real.

Is the Egyptian military an ideal ally? Nope. But it’s a far better bet than Obama’s support of the Muslim Brotherhood turned out to be.

The danger now is that the administration and naïfs in Congress will cut aid to the Egyptian military and curl up into a snit.  [........]

Do we really need to make additional enemies in the region? Of moderates and secularists? In a quest to be “fair” to fanatics?

Official figures allow 275 dead in yesterday’s violence, while the Muslim Brotherhood claims more than 2,000. The latter number’s preposterous — you can’t hide that many corpses from prying journalists — but the reality is probably somewhere in between.

[........]

It’s time to get over ourselves. Our narcissistic belief that we not only can, but must, decide the destinies of Middle Eastern populations is destructive. We can, at times, play constructively on the margins, but we’re not even good at that.

The Obama administration needs a new foreign-policy motto: “First, do no harm.”

And we need to base our policies on our long-term interests, not on here-and-gone headlines. The enemy of the Egyptian people and of the American people is the same: Islamist fanaticism. And defeating radical extremists isn’t a smiley-face business.

When someone insists that he knows what God demands everybody must do, you can either submit or resist. Egyptians chose to resist. And the Muslim Brotherhood, not the Egyptian military, chose blood.

Read the rest -  This blood is on the hands of  Muslim Brotherhood

Col Ralph Peters tells Obama to  shut up about Egypt – ‘He needs to be quiet’

UPDATE – httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_GP0CUYS_0

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72 Responses to “Do we really need to have sympathy for the devil?”
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  1. Buffalobob
    1 | August 16, 2013 1:18 am

    obama’s foreign policy, do you have any threes?


  2. waldensianspirit
    2 | August 16, 2013 12:09 pm

    Muslim Brotherhood Protesters Torch Christian Orphanage…

    Obama’s peaceful citizen protesters


  3. 3 | August 16, 2013 12:16 pm

    And we need to base our policies on our long-term interests, not on here-and-gone headlines. The enemy of the Egyptian people and of the American people is the same: Islamist fanaticism.

    I’d shorten that to Islam. Even the ones who are not fanatics (a tiny minority) still believe that it is their duty to enslave the rest of the world in the name of Islam. That is a core principle of Islam: violent expansionism. We should be making that arguement, not blathering about mythical “moderate” Muslims. While there may be a few of those, you never hear from them. Most of the “moderats” you see are apostate former-Muslims. They aren’t bang your head on the floor five times a day devoute Muslims.


  4. Speranza
    4 | August 16, 2013 12:26 pm

    I saw Ralph Peters make O’Reilly look like an ass(not a difficult thing to do) last night.


  5. BatGuano
    5 | August 16, 2013 12:31 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    The “tiny minority” meme needs to go away, It is demonstrably false. Most of the hot spots in the world are the result of Muslims trying to enforce their particular brand of Islam on their neighbors and a “tiny minority” can’t do that. We will be much safer when our leaders understand that death and domination are built into the Koran and cannot be separated.


  6. BatGuano
    6 | August 16, 2013 12:33 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I saw Ralph Peters make O’Reilly look like an ass(not a difficult thing to do) last night.

    Sorry I missed it. O’Reilly very often lends himself to that result.


  7. Speranza
    7 | August 16, 2013 12:34 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    I saw Ralph Peters make O’Reilly look like an ass(not a difficult thing to do) last night.

    Sorry I missed it. O’Reilly very often lends himself to that result.

    Here you go.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_GP0CUYS_0


  8. RIX
    8 | August 16, 2013 12:35 pm

    As I recall, the first place that Obama visited was Egypt after
    he took office. While there he met with the Muslim Brotherhood.
    He likes these guys.


  9. Speranza
    9 | August 16, 2013 12:40 pm

    RIX wrote:

    As I recall, the first place that Obama visited was Egypt after
    he took office. While there he met with the Muslim Brotherhood.
    He likes these guys.

    He has a predilection for Islamists.


  10. Tanker
    10 | August 16, 2013 12:43 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I saw Ralph Peters make O’Reilly look like an ass(not a difficult thing to do) last night.

    You know there is a reason Army officers retire at no higher rank than LTC. They are usually very good “soldier” officers and tend to make asses out of less efficient Higher ranking officers!

    Peters and West are prime examples!


  11. BatGuano
    11 | August 16, 2013 12:44 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Thanks.I just watched it on the thread update. O’Reilly wants us to get involved because we are the champion of human rights. Peters, rightfully, wants no part of this tar baby.


  12. BatGuano
    12 | August 16, 2013 12:49 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    hey are usually very good “soldier” officers and tend to make asses out of less efficient Higher ranking officers!

    As in most hierarchies, the best performers do not always rise to the top but the best politicians always do.


  13. 13 | August 16, 2013 12:53 pm

    @ BatGuano:

    There is nothing we can do for “Human Rights” in any of these countries unless we first force them to go through a de-Islamizxation the waty we forced the Germans to go through a de-Nazification process after World War Two. “Human Rights” are incompatible with Shari’ia law. As long as these countries are governed by any shread of Islamic Law, the people cannot and will not be free in any real sense of the word.


  14. Speranza
    14 | August 16, 2013 12:56 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Thanks.I just watched it on the thread update. O’Reilly wants us to get involved because we are the champion of human rights. Peters, rightfully, wants no part of this tar baby.

    O’Reilly’s knowledge of foreign affairs is lamentable. He is worried if they are going to hate us. Memo to the bloviator: They hated us before, they hate us now and they will hate us in the future.


  15. Speranza
    15 | August 16, 2013 12:58 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    You know there is a reason Army officers retire at no higher rank than LTC. They are usually very good “soldier” officers and tend to make asses out of less efficient Higher ranking officers!

    Peters and West are prime examples!

    Wesley Clark is a reason why so many generals make lousy politicians.


  16. BatGuano
    16 | August 16, 2013 1:00 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    As long as these countries are governed by any shread of Islamic Law, the people cannot and will not be free in any real sense of the word.

    That, Sir, is why any attempt to impose democracy on these people will fail. The Muslims believe that people are ruled by Allah and the word of Allah was revealed by his prophet, Muhammad. Hence, any man-made form of government is, by definition, in direct contradiction to the will of god and therefore unacceptable.


  17. waldensianspirit
    17 | August 16, 2013 1:11 pm

    Top House Dems Snub Netanyahu, Say They Want To Work With Iran’s New President…

    Iran can give them a ‘new’ president every decade of ‘negotiations’


  18. BatGuano
    18 | August 16, 2013 1:15 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    //// Thank Allah there is a new president in Iran who will stop this nuclear madness! Hoyer looked into his soul ..etc.,


  19. 19 | August 16, 2013 1:23 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Do you still wonder whose side the Democrats are on? Wonder no more. They are for America’s enemies and against America’s allies. They are, in point of fact, the anti-American Party, and they have been at least all of my life. They helped the Soviet Union against the United States as much as they could. Now they side with the Muslims against America. I wish we had Republican Leadership that would call them traitors like they are. The Republicans won’t fight. IN the last election the Democrats threw out accusations that Romney had killed a woman and that he hadn’t paid taxes for ten years. Totally specious allegations, but they helped turn the tide against him. The Republicans didn’t fight back. Reid should have been censured for his calumney against Romney.


  20. RIX
    20 | August 16, 2013 1:25 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    As I recall, the first place that Obama visited was Egypt after
    he took office. While there he met with the Muslim Brotherhood.
    He likes these guys.

    He has a predilection for Islamists.

    He does & it goes back to his Jakarta days, studying The
    Koran & going to Mosque.


  21. waldensianspirit
    21 | August 16, 2013 1:25 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Jesse Jr goes to jail and Reid walks a free man? Right there is racism Democrats can’t seem to see


  22. RIX
    22 | August 16, 2013 1:30 pm

    I just heard a blurb on FNC that the Brotherhood is
    perpetrating the worst vilolece against Christians
    in Egypt since the 14th Century.
    54 Churches have been destroyed, Christians are being
    slaughtered & the Coptic Pope is in hiding.
    This really should be the lead story.


  23. waldensianspirit
    23 | August 16, 2013 1:32 pm

    @ RIX:
    It really should! Instead it is all about getting the MB back in power


  24. RIX
    24 | August 16, 2013 1:40 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ RIX:
    It really should! Instead it is all about getting the MB back in power

    Obama keeps saying that Morsi was democatically elcted.
    He neglects to point out that Morsi prceeded to
    destroy democratic institutions.
    In my view the military moved in to save Egypt.
    Israel is watching all of this very closely.
    They have a dog in the fight.


  25. waldensianspirit
    25 | August 16, 2013 1:44 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Obama keeps saying that Morsi was democatically elcted.
    He neglects to point out that Morsi prceeded to
    destroy democratic institutions.
    In my view the military moved in to save Egypt.
    Israel is watching all of this very closely.
    They have a dog in the fight.

    And there are parallels Obama doesn’t want us to draw between himself and Morsi?


  26. buzzsawmonkey
    26 | August 16, 2013 1:55 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    And there are parallels Obama doesn’t want us to draw between himself and Morsi?

    I would think so. Obama was “Democrat-ically elected” too.


  27. BatGuano
    27 | August 16, 2013 1:59 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Obama was “Democrat-ically elected” too.

    I don’t understand how that poltroon was re-elected.


  28. waldensianspirit
    28 | August 16, 2013 2:04 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    I don’t understand how that poltroon was re-elected.

    Too many people are voting for life to get worse for people they hate above a better future for themselves


  29. heysoos
    29 | August 16, 2013 2:05 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I just heard a blurb on FNC that the Brotherhood is
    perpetrating the worst vilolece against Christians
    in Egypt since the 14th Century.
    54 Churches have been destroyed, Christians are being
    slaughtered & the Coptic Pope is in hiding.
    This really should be the lead story.

    this sounds promising
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/08/16/egyptian-military-chief-vows-to-rebuild-coptic-churches/


  30. Da_Beerfreak
    30 | August 16, 2013 2:08 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Obama was “Democrat-ically elected” too.

    I don’t understand how that poltroon was re-elected.

    He wasn’t.
    Steal a few key precincts in a couple of swing states and the ‘win’ was in the bag … :evil:


  31. Speranza
    31 | August 16, 2013 2:12 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    I just heard a blurb on FNC that the Brotherhood is
    perpetrating the worst vilolece against Christians
    in Egypt since the 14th Century.
    54 Churches have been destroyed, Christians are being
    slaughtered & the Coptic Pope is in hiding.
    This really should be the lead story.

    this sounds promising
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/08/16/egyptian-military-chief-vows-to-rebuild-coptic-churches/

    Obama of course since they are burning churches will back the MB even more.


  32. Speranza
    32 | August 16, 2013 2:13 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    Obama was “Democrat-ically elected” too.

    I don’t understand how that poltroon was re-elected.

    The dumbing down of America.


  33. heysoos
    33 | August 16, 2013 2:13 pm

    I think the MB was in shock when the military came down on them so swift and heavily…shades of Iran…
    it’s a huge risk tho because it’s not gonna take much for Egypt to go off the edge with people starving in the streets…couple more battles and the MB will fold…maybe


  34. 34 | August 16, 2013 2:16 pm

    @ Speranza:
    @ BatGuano:

    Great Organization, compliant Media, support of the popular culture, Demographics, Electoral college advantage and a pathetic opposition.


  35. 35 | August 16, 2013 2:17 pm

    @ Speranza:

    How come none of these Republicans that claim they are “good Christians” have not made a stink out of this?


  36. buzzsawmonkey
    36 | August 16, 2013 2:20 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Steal a few key precincts in a couple of swing states and the ‘win’ was in the bag …

    Hence, “Democrat-ically” elected.


  37. 37 | August 16, 2013 2:21 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I would add McCain and Lindsey to that list.


  38. Speranza
    38 | August 16, 2013 2:21 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I just heard a blurb on FNC that the Brotherhood is
    perpetrating the worst vilolece against Christians
    in Egypt since the 14th Century.
    54 Churches have been destroyed, Christians are being
    slaughtered & the Coptic Pope is in hiding.
    This really should be the lead story.

    I would love to hear Shep Smith’s take on that. I cannot stand that Israel hater.


  39. Speranza
    39 | August 16, 2013 2:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I would add McCain and Lindsey to that list.

    Greta had Bolton on again last night. The same people on every night.


  40. waldensianspirit
  41. Da_Beerfreak
    41 | August 16, 2013 2:29 pm

    How’s That Smart Diplomacy Workin’ Out For Ya?

    Obama Policies Turning Egypt Against U.S.

    BY: Bill Gertz
    August 15, 2013 5:00 am

    The Obama administration support for Muslim Brotherhood Islamists in Egypt is driving the powerful military there against the United States and toward Moscow, according to U.S. officials and reports from the region.

    The pro-Muslim Brotherhood stance is undermining decades of U.S. policy toward the Middle East state and prompting concerns that the United States is about to “lose” Egypt as a strategic partner, said officials familiar with intelligence reports.

    The Country’s In The Very Best Of Hands :roll:


  42. buzzsawmonkey
    42 | August 16, 2013 2:35 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Top House Dems Snub Netanyahu, Say They Want To Work With Iran’s New President…

    The US is not an honest broker at this point.


  43. 43 | August 16, 2013 2:36 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Here we go again.

    He’s been advocating cutting off Egypt even when the MB was in power. You are lying and you know it.

    Nice try with your Lies. Don’t go claiming you are some holy man you lying snake.


  44. waldensianspirit
    44 | August 16, 2013 2:38 pm

    @ Rodan:
    He said nothing about his peaceful civilians burning Christian orphanages did he? Did he?


  45. RIX
    45 | August 16, 2013 2:38 pm

    And there are parallels Obama doesn’t want us to draw between himself and Morsi?

    @ waldensianspirit:

    No doubt.


  46. RIX
    46 | August 16, 2013 2:39 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    I just heard a blurb on FNC that the Brotherhood is
    perpetrating the worst vilolece against Christians
    in Egypt since the 14th Century.
    54 Churches have been destroyed, Christians are being
    slaughtered & the Coptic Pope is in hiding.
    This really should be the lead story.

    this sounds promising
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/08/16/egyptian-military-chief-vows-to-rebuild-coptic-churches/

    That is promising.


  47. waldensianspirit
    47 | August 16, 2013 2:42 pm

    @ Rodan:
    And you didn’t read; this is about cutting off the Egyptian generals:

    Sen. Rand Paul is hammering his fellow senators for keeping billions in financial aid flowing to Egypt’s military — even as Cairo’s security forces massacre anti-government activists.

    “This is something that those who voted in Congress are going to have to live with,” Paul told The Cable on Thursday. “The question is: How does their conscience feel now as they see photographs of tanks rolling over Egyptian civilians?”


  48. heysoos
    48 | August 16, 2013 2:43 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/08/15/rand_paul_slams_congress_for_aiding_egypt_how_does_your_conscience_feel_now
    So he prefers Morsi and the MB in power

    ah, no…US aid to Morsi only helped empower him and this is the result…consider aid to Assad and what do you think the result would be?…might as well save our money


  49. waldensianspirit
    49 | August 16, 2013 2:44 pm

    @ heysoos:
    He’s talking about the generals being empowered to stop Morsi


  50. heysoos
    50 | August 16, 2013 2:44 pm

    the muslims have plenty of money to finance their own genocide


  51. waldensianspirit
    51 | August 16, 2013 2:49 pm

    reading the url of a link often leads to misunderstanding


  52. heysoos
    52 | August 16, 2013 2:49 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    He’s talking about the generals being empowered to stop Morsi

    not how I interpret his words…I think if Paul supported Morsi he’d say so…he’s talking about dumping money into volatile places that is used to get people killed


  53. heysoos
    53 | August 16, 2013 2:52 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    reading the url of a link often leads to misunderstanding

    I read the article yesterday and didn’t see much point to post it


  54. waldensianspirit
    54 | August 16, 2013 2:52 pm

    @ heysoos:
    I didn’t bother to ‘interpret’. It says he is guilting the other congress critters for supplying the Egyptian military.


  55. heysoos
    55 | August 16, 2013 2:54 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I didn’t bother to ‘interpret’. It says he is guilting the other congress critters for supplying the Egyptian military.

    so would I…there is no reason to fund their military, for any reason…look how it’s spent…they can kill each other all day, why should we care?


  56. waldensianspirit
    56 | August 16, 2013 2:56 pm

    Ted Cruz -- 2 hours ago

    “President Obama’s detached and abstract statement yesterday on deteriorating conditions in Egypt is only the most recent manifestation of this Administration’s failed policy in that country. As there can no longer be any reasonable doubt that what occurred in July was a military coup, the first step is to send an unequivocal message that the United States is a nation of laws and suspend aid to Egypt.

    He continues giving correct details about the MB going after Christians. Read the rest


  57. waldensianspirit
    57 | August 16, 2013 2:59 pm

    “But the President concluded his remarks, tellingly, with, ‘We don’t take sides with any particular party or political figure.’ That was his policy in 2009 when he failed to vigorously support the Green Revolution in Iran. It was his policy in 2011 when he failed to swiftly call for the removal of the Syrian dictator Bashir al-Assad when there was a unified, peaceful and secular opposition to him. And it has been the basis of the Obama Administration’s failed policy in Egypt, which, by refusing to use our leverage to advance U.S. interests and priorities, has contributed to that country’s descent into chaos.” — Ted Cruz


  58. waldensianspirit
    58 | August 16, 2013 3:21 pm

    “When you’re protesting in the streets and you’re run over by an American tank, you’re not going to be appreciative of American engagement. — Paul”

    Um, you’re really not thinking anything.

    Oh and if this is peaceful protecting try going down to the White House with a crowd and tear the fences down and start tearing at it; see how well that goes over


  59. 59 | August 16, 2013 4:46 pm

    First rule of protesting -- do not stand in front of a vehicle with steel treads. Remember St. Pancake!


  60. heysoos
    60 | August 16, 2013 4:58 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    First rule of protesting — do not stand in front of a vehicle with steel treads. Remember St. Pancake!

    I never protest without an RPG and a bag of rockets


  61. 61 | August 16, 2013 5:01 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Contrary to liberal opinions, my local gun stores never seem to have that sort of thing in stock.


  62. heysoos
    62 | August 16, 2013 5:03 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Contrary to liberal opinions, my local gun stores never seem to have that sort of thing in stock.

    try Allahsammo.com…they never sell a used rocket


  63. heysoos
    63 | August 16, 2013 5:05 pm

    @ heysoos:
    pretty lame


  64. 64 | August 16, 2013 5:09 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I could see where a used RPG round might not be that great of a deal…


  65. yenta-fada
    65 | August 16, 2013 5:10 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I just heard a blurb on FNC that the Brotherhood is
    perpetrating the worst vilolece against Christians
    in Egypt since the 14th Century.
    54 Churches have been destroyed, Christians are being
    slaughtered & the Coptic Pope is in hiding.
    This really should be the lead story.

    ‘Never let a crisis go to waste’ The MB has much in common with the
    current US administration.


  66. yenta-fada
    66 | August 16, 2013 5:18 pm

    It’s also possible (MB snipers spotted) that the MB are shooting their own members to make it look like the army is killing more people. Remember Palliwood? Lying is an international diktat for the true believers of the ROP.


  67. yenta-fada
    68 | August 16, 2013 5:20 pm

    *Taking pulse of thread*


  68. 69 | August 16, 2013 5:23 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    “He’s dead, Jim!”


  69. heysoos
    71 | August 16, 2013 5:41 pm

    Egypt is just going through another Darwinian phase, thinning themselves out…when they could no longer supply wheat to Rome, their relevance crashed…sitting around doing nothing for 2000 years and this is the result


  70. waldensianspirit
    72 | August 16, 2013 7:09 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Egypt is just going through another Darwinian phase, thinning themselves out…when they could no longer supply wheat to Rome, their relevance crashed…sitting around doing nothing for 2000 years and this is the result

    They got even with the Romans because it wasn’t gluten free


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