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Mobile payment company Square, Inc. bans use of their device for firearms, ammo sales

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Filed under Open thread, Second Amendment, Weapons at August 26th, 2013 - 7:00 am

AmmoLand News: Mobile Payment Company Says No to Guns

Mobile Payment Company Says No to Guns
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Columbus, OH --(Ammoland.com)- The popular mobile payment company, Square, Inc., has recently changed their terms of use and will no longer allow the use of their product for firearm sales, ammunition, firearm parts, and any other associated materials which they say are “designed to cause physical injury”.

Sportsmen and other gun owners are being urged to contact Square to voice their disapproval and to urge them to change their anti-gun policy.

Square, a small credit card swiping device that plugs into IPhones, Android and IPad’s for easy credit or debit card transactions, changed their terms of use in late spring, adding the amendment as #23 to their Prohibited Goods and Service list. A Square spokesman denied the accusation that the change was related to the gun debate sparked by the Sandy Hook shooting.

As a non-profit organization that fights for the rights of hunting, fishing and trapping across the U.S., the USSA fully supports the use and sales of firearms. USSA has in the past used the Square device for company events but has since halted its use in the wake of the change to their “Prohibited Goods and Service list”.

Take Action! All sportsmen and other gun owners are urged to contact Square CEO Jack Dorsey and explain how his company’s anti-gun stance is misguided. Tell him that over 90 million gun owners – many of which are either his customers or potential customers – support the right to keep and bear arms.

About:The U.S. Sportsmen’s Alliance is a national association of sportsmen and sportsmen’s organizations that protects the rights of hunters, anglers and trappers in the courts, legislatures, at the ballot, in Congress and through public education programs. Visit www.ussportsmen.org.

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52 Responses to “Mobile payment company Square, Inc. bans use of their device for firearms, ammo sales”
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  1. MikeA
    1 | August 26, 2013 7:29 am

    By doing this they will lower the chance of gang bangers getting guns!! ( Wait, no it won’t… )
    They will stop criminals from murdering, raping and assaulting innocents!!! ( Wait, it won’t do that either… )

    All this will do is piss people off. Yeah, thats about it.

    Now, where did I put that gun free zone sign….


  2. 2 | August 26, 2013 7:52 am

    All this means is that I’ll never do business with them. It is really fucking stupid to piss off half of your potential customers like this. They are making a statement abou ttheir principles, and, as I often say, anti-Second Amendment Rights means anti-=civil rights. This is really no different than if they came out in favor of racial segregation.


  3. buzzsawmonkey
    3 | August 26, 2013 9:07 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    This is really no different than if they came out in favor of racial segregation.

    Or—to be blunt—their coming out in favor of race war, since it is quite clear that a certain demographic of thugs armed largely with illegal guns has a penchant for preying on a certain other demographic which by and large purchases weapons legally, if it has them.


  4. 4 | August 26, 2013 9:08 am

    Looks like the Recession is coming back. Not that it ever went away for average folks:

    Orders for long-lasting U.S. manufactured goods recorded their biggest drop in nearly a year in July and a gauge of planned business spending on capital goods tumbled, casting a shadow over the economy early in the third quarter.

    The Commerce Department said on Monday durable goods orders dropped 7.3 percent as demand for goods ranging from aircraft to computers and defense equipment fell. That was the biggest decline since last August and snapped three consecutive months of gains.

    A seven point drop is significant. It basically erases the gains of the previous three months. Corporations are hanging onto their cash. Nobody knows what ObamaCare is going to really do to their business. It only makes sense not to expand during this time of uncertainty. Sure, things may not collapse, but they might collapse, too. Better to hoard your cash right now. This will be a drag on the whole economy.


  5. buzzsawmonkey
    5 | August 26, 2013 9:15 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Corporations are hanging onto their cash.

    And Obama and his Choom Gang are working on ways to force them to fork it over, claiming that they are “hoarding” their money.


  6. 6 | August 26, 2013 9:16 am

    I really wish that businessmen and entertainers would just STFU about their politics and disabuse themselves of the notion that wealth, success or notoriety automatically make them apostles for their beliefs.

    Sure, they have every right to speak their mind but good gawd, must they spew forth every misbegotten, partially formed thought they have? Their minds are like the rear ends of cars…you know the ones- they that have a sticker affixed for every position they’ve ever taken on anything….the more offensive the better.


  7. 7 | August 26, 2013 9:18 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    True, that. But whle there have been some prominent cases of black “youth” killing white people, it is other blacks that get the brunt of homicide. It is something like 95% of all black murderers kill other blacks. And there is only a tiny slice of homicides comitted by white against blacks. More young black men are killed by other blacks every year than were killed in all the lynchings for all of the Jim Crow era. Your point about the people who can legally have arms is spott on. The people that gun control impacts the most are law abiding (mostly black) denizens of the inner cities. They can’t afford the costs associated with getting a gun legally in a place like Chicago or New York, and they don’t have the political connections, either. This is as designed. It is like with machineguns. The Left don’t care if the uber-rich get them. What they care about is if someone like you or I has them. That would make crime too dangerous to engage in, and the Democrats are essentially lobbiests for the Criminal Class in America.


  8. huckfunn
    8 | August 26, 2013 9:22 am

    Kenan Adams-Kinard, 2nd Suspect In Beating To Death WWII Veteran, Has Been Arrested.
    Glad they got this punk off the streets.


  9. 9 | August 26, 2013 9:22 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    And Obama and his Choom Gang are working on ways to force them to fork it over, claiming that they are “hoarding” their money

    Yep, and then they condemn companies like Apple that don’t repatriate their overseas property and pay ruinous taxes on it. Who can really blame them for that? That means companies like Apple that are growing do their growing overseas. Why would you build a plant of any kind here in America today? Shipping isn’t that expensive. Build your consumer goods overseas, and you don’t have to worry about tarrifs since the Free Trade people have been in charge for so long. It is practically the fiduciary responsibility of corporate CEOs to keep and invest that money in other countries. It really is like the Democrats want high unemployment.


  10. buzzsawmonkey
    10 | August 26, 2013 9:26 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    You are certainly correct that blacks kill more blacks than they do whites. But there is, equally, a race-war component to killings such as the recent murder in Oklahoma, the beating death of that veteran in Washington, and now, the killing of a 99-year-old white woman in Poughkeepsie by a young black man.

    Furthermore, the race-war component is not confined to murder. The black criminal flash-mob phenomenon of recent years, the sock-full-of-shit attack on the Chicago elevated earlier this year, and many other muggings and beatings, are all part of a culture of criminality by thugs who are emboldened by the expectation of an unarmed populace, and these incidents overwhelmingly have a racial tinge.


  11. 11 | August 26, 2013 9:28 am

    @ huckfunn:

    That’s good news. What do you want to bet that the race hustlers come out in favor of these perpetrators? Not entirely in the Open, but making false comparisons with the Trayvon Martin thing?


  12. 12 | August 26, 2013 9:32 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    No doubt. When those guys tried to murder me in Tallahassee, the police thought there was a racial motivation fo the assault. Of course, that was 24 years ago, and things have gotten worse since then. The answer to the problems is more instances like the Martin/Zimmerman case, where the victim kills their assailent. This horseshit that you should just take your beating isn’t going to fly with large segments of our population.


  13. 13 | August 26, 2013 9:32 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Well said. It’s really Blacks who are the victims of the Black Gangsta culture. Others occasionally become victims, but 95% of the victims are blacks.


  14. huckfunn
    14 | August 26, 2013 9:35 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    That’s good news. What do you want to bet that the race hustlers come out in favor of these perpetrators? Not entirely in the Open, but making false comparisons with the Trayvon Martin thing?

    Meanwhile, MSM remains mute on the racial aspect of these murders.


  15. buzzsawmonkey
    15 | August 26, 2013 9:36 am

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    It’s really Blacks who are the victims of the Black Gangsta culture.

    And the fact that whites refuse to submit to the same default level of victimization by “gangstas” that the blacks do is proof positive that whites are racist.


  16. 16 | August 26, 2013 9:37 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    That’s good news. What do you want to bet that the race hustlers come out in favor of these perpetrators? Not entirely in the Open, but making false comparisons with the Trayvon Martin thing?

    Jackson already commented on the OK murders- he boldly said that sort of thing is “frowned upon”. What more do you want him to do?


  17. 17 | August 26, 2013 9:40 am

    @ Goldwaterite:
    Yep. And a sizeable percentage of these victims are themselves criminals. I think that is part of the reason that there isn’t much real outcry for something to be done about this. It is a tight rope to walk, defending some of these people from the just results of their actions. But if you could get the black homicide rate down to just Double that of whites, America would have a homicide rate comparable to that of nations in Europe. fully 50% of our homicide rate is black men killing other black men. In any other context this would be considerad a form of genocide. Instead, you have a culture that identifies thuggery as being “authentically” black. Unless and until that changes, we are going to seewhat we see in the inner cities.


  18. 18 | August 26, 2013 9:44 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Instead, you have a culture that identifies thuggery as being “authentically” black. Unless and until that changes, we are going to seewhat we see in the inner cities.

    That is a feature and not a bug. Blacks were the canaries in the coal mine of the welfare state. Now its spreading to others, see Jason Greenslate.


  19. 19 | August 26, 2013 9:44 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Yeah, I saw that. Frowned upon draws a moral equivilence between behaviors like smoking cigaretts and homicide. Jackson couldn’t even bring himself to say he condemns these attacks. Sure, it is just words, but can you imagine if the white community had said lynchings were “frowned upon” in the case where James Byrd was dragged to death?


  20. 20 | August 26, 2013 9:45 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The whole race thing is a distraction form what is really at work here.


  21. 21 | August 26, 2013 9:46 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Jesse Jackson is a Marxist slimeball.


  22. 22 | August 26, 2013 9:48 am

    @ Goldwaterite:

    Yep. What we are seeing is the logical end of the Welfare State. The people on the dole think they are owed the dole. They don’t look at it a sa safety net. It isn’t just something to get them through a time of trouble. It is a lifestyle choice. Not having to work means more time to drink and do drugs. Or in the case of Greenslate, more time to surf. They have spent the last 40-50 years trying to take the cultural shame of being on the dole. These people feel no obligation to work, and they are satisfied at the level that they are living. That culture has to be changed, and I am not sure how you go about doing that.


  23. 23 | August 26, 2013 9:50 am

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    That is a feature and not a bug. Blacks were the canaries in the coal mine of the welfare state. Now its spreading to others, see Jason Greenslate.

    Um, no. Not really. Here in Canada where we have a lower percentage of the population that is black, they weren’t the targets of the welfare cheque. All my experiences with welfare bums has been white people. That turned me off the whole system more then anything else.


  24. 24 | August 26, 2013 9:59 am

    @ PaladinPhil:

    In America, though, welfare has been a trap to enslave a large percentage of blacks in poverty. Most people will take the path of least resistance through life. Once you’ve been on the dole, it is hard to get off. It is so much easier too just get your “free money” from Uncle Sugar, than it is to work a shitty job while putting yourself through school. That is not to say all blacks are like that, indeed not even the majority of blacks. But what the government has done in the last 40 years is take the social stigma away from being on the dole. Someone of my age was raised to work hard and be productive. The generation that comes after me, not so much. We are now into the third and fourth generation of kids born into welfare. These people can’t even think about becomming self-supporting.


  25. Lily
    25 | August 26, 2013 10:00 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    No doubt. When those guys tried to murder me in Tallahassee, the police thought there was a racial motivation fo the assault. Of course, that was 24 years ago, and things have gotten worse since then. The answer to the problems is more instances like the Martin/Zimmerman case, where the victim kills their assailent. This horseshit that you should just take your beating isn’t going to fly with large segments of our population.

    Indeed things have gotten worse when Obama ran and became President. The racial divide is getting worse and worse and worse. Which is sad and ugly.


  26. buzzsawmonkey
    26 | August 26, 2013 10:03 am

    @ Goldwaterite:
    @ Iron Fist:
    @ PaladinPhil:

    With the advent of/increase in upper-middle-class baby mamas, “Julia,” the cradle-to-grave relier on the bounty of the State who was the subject of the Obama campaign’s cartoon booklet during the last election, is becoming an ever-greater social reality.


  27. 27 | August 26, 2013 10:04 am

    @ PaladinPhil:

    In Canada its different than here. I was describing the US situation.


  28. 28 | August 26, 2013 10:06 am

    @ Lily:

    The racial divide is getting worse and worse and worse.

    I think its more of an online thing than reality. I was out and about and saw people drinking together and getting along.


  29. Lily
    29 | August 26, 2013 10:07 am

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    Well said. It’s really Blacks who are the victims of the Black Gangsta culture. Others occasionally become victims, but 95% of the victims are blacks.

    Oh yes!!! Sure the lines cross sometimes ….but not most the time. Watch The First 48 Hours the crime show…it is normally the same race on both sides that kill…

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0052RY7S2/ref=atv_dp_season_select?ie=UTF8&redirect=true


  30. 30 | August 26, 2013 10:07 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Now they are expanding the welfare state to include everyone. Jason Greenslate is just the tip of the iceberg.


  31. 31 | August 26, 2013 10:07 am

    @ Lily:

    Yup and most of the time its people that know each other that do killings.


  32. SciFiGuy
    32 | August 26, 2013 10:09 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    That’s good news. What do you want to bet that the race hustlers come out in favor of these perpetrators? Not entirely in the Open, but making false comparisons with the Trayvon Martin thing?

    Jackson already commented on the OK murders- he boldly said that sort of thing is “frowned upon”. What more do you want him to do?

    Jackson is Frowning because he isn’t going to make any
    money off it!!


  33. Lily
    33 | August 26, 2013 10:10 am

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    That is a feature and not a bug. Blacks were the canaries in the coal mine of the welfare state. Now its spreading to others, see Jason Greenslate.

    Um, no. Not really. Here in Canada where we have a lower percentage of the population that is black, they weren’t the targets of the welfare cheque. All my experiences with welfare bums has been white people. That turned me off the whole system more then anything else.

    You are right…whites aren’t innocent here either.


  34. Lily
    34 | August 26, 2013 10:14 am

    SciFiGuy wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    That’s good news. What do you want to bet that the race hustlers come out in favor of these perpetrators? Not entirely in the Open, but making false comparisons with the Trayvon Martin thing?

    Jackson already commented on the OK murders- he boldly said that sort of thing is “frowned upon”. What more do you want him to do?

    Jackson is Frowning because he isn’t going to make any
    money off it!!

    When has Jackson never frown when it concerns people of other races?


  35. 35 | August 26, 2013 10:15 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That is yet another way that the Left has been chipping away at the foundations of our civilization. They have nearly destroyed the black family in America. 50 years ago, when King gave his speech, black families were the bedrock of the community, and that community was overwhelmingly Christian. Indeed, the whole impetus for racial integrats (including ending slavery) was overtly religious in character. While you still have “reverend” Sharpeton and Jackson out there, they are overtly non-Christian in their world view. You’ll not see one of these “reverends” talking about the scourge of unwed motherhood or the evils of abortion. They are all about “Social Justice” by which they mean shaking the money tree to make themselves wealthy. They could give a rat’s ass about the kids born into this situation.


  36. 36 | August 26, 2013 10:19 am

    @ Goldwaterite:

    If they can get more than 50% of the population living on the dole in one way or another, they are guaranted to stay in power until the house of cards collapses. And they want that collapse. It is lke Guggi has been saying regarding the post-modernists. They want change and don’t much care what comes out of that change. Smash the State, and grab as many goodies as they can haul from the shelves. The post-modernists have turned rioting into a political ideology.


  37. 37 | August 26, 2013 10:25 am

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Yup and most of the time its people that know each other that do killings.

    That is the way it is for all homicides. Random killings like the Oklahoma thing are reletively rare. They happen, but they aren’t typical of homicide. Just as the mass shootings that they try to use to push gun control are relatively rare. Rifles are used in only a tiny fraction of homicides (3-5%, IIRC). The gun controllers don’t care, because their goals have nothing to do with reducing the homicide rate. I think they prefer the homicide rate to be high. They use that to push their political agenda.


  38. Calo
    38 | August 26, 2013 10:33 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    I just finished a good essay by Baldilocks on AoS that pretty much supports your opinion

    http://minx.cc/?post=342793


  39. 39 | August 26, 2013 10:42 am

    Obama grade bad decisions.


  40. 40 | August 26, 2013 10:47 am

    @ Calo:

    I like Juliette. Everything that she is saying there mirrors what I’ve learned through my own experience. When I was going through college to get my second degree, I was in class with a black engineer (he, too , was working on his second degree), and he told me about the terrible discrimination he faced from other blacks for ebing well-spoken and educated. And I agree with Juliette that this is as planned. LBJ was a racist, and I think he designed the “Great Society” as a way of keeping blacks poor and down-trodden so that they would reap a rich harvest of votes for the Democrat Party.


  41. 41 | August 26, 2013 10:52 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Guggi is spot on.


  42. lobo91
    42 | August 26, 2013 10:53 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I agree with Juliette that this is as planned. LBJ was a racist, and I think he designed the “Great Society” as a way of keeping blacks poor and down-trodden so that they would reap a rich harvest of votes for the Democrat Party.

    I don’t think there’s any question about it. There are audio recordings of LBJ discussing these things with his aides in the White House. Anyone who thinks that LBJ was somehow being benevolent will change their view after about 5 minutes of listening.


  43. buzzsawmonkey
    43 | August 26, 2013 11:04 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    One other note on the “race war” aspect: there is a striking resemblance between the attacks, from shit-sock to flash mob to beating to murder, that black youths inflict on whites, and the rapes, assaults, and killings that Muslim youths have been engaging in with greater frequency in Europe. I do not think it is coincidence that there have been greater inroads by Islam in the black community, as evidenced not only by blacks converting to Islam but by the popularity of Islamic-sounding names (as being supposedly “African”) among non-Muslim blacks.


  44. 44 | August 26, 2013 11:08 am

    @ lobo91:

    Itw as a plan and now its being expanded to the rest of the country.


  45. 45 | August 26, 2013 11:11 am

    Next thread will be up at 11:30.


  46. 46 | August 26, 2013 11:13 am

    @ lobo91:

    It even goes further than that. Didn’t RFK spy on or wiretap MLK? I think it is fascinating how the Democrats managed to corner the black vote after so many decades of being the party of white supremacists. They didn’t even have to purge themselves of people like Kleagle Byrd. They just promised ObamaFones to everyone, and went about putting the most destructive policy that they could put into place. They get about 95% of the black vote. I don’t know what you do about that. It doesn’t make any sense to me. It is certainly proof that hope can triumph over reality. You can’t buy these votes, because the Democrats will always be able to outspend you (at least until the bond market quits funding the American Debt). Public schools for these children are worse in somme ways to being completely uneducated. They train dependence into these kids from an early age. I don’t know how you go about reintroducing self-sufficiency as a goal to these kids. Why work when you can get EBT for playing video games while stoned? Work is hard. So much easier to just let the government take care of you.


  47. 47 | August 26, 2013 11:22 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Yeah, that is another thing I find incomprehensible. Muslims by and large controlled the slave trade in Africa, yet large numbers of black Americans are converting to Islam and, as you said, changing their names to Arabic-sounding names. I think I know why Islam is popular in the prison culture. Islam give a thug all the excuse he needs to let his wildest fantasies come to life. But outside the prison culture? I just don’t get it. The slave trade still exists in Africa today, and it is still Muslim slavers taking Christians and animists as captives. Yet Islam, like the Democrat Party, gets a pass on its intrinsic racism.


  48. emile41
    48 | August 26, 2013 2:02 pm

    Simple, do not do business with anyone who uses “Square” and make sure you tell them why you won’t do any business with anyone that uses “Square”!


  49. 49 | August 26, 2013 2:13 pm

    @ emile41:

    Exactly! I have more than enough ways to spend my money. I don’t have to use their service. I can pay cash, write a check, or whatever. Does Square have any competitors yet? If they don’t, they will have sooner or later. Like I said earlier, they are stupid to piss off half of their potential customer base like this. They may feel like they are “being good corporate citizens” by doing this, but the hard Left that would care about something like this are really a tiny minority in the grand scheme of things. Half of all Americans (roughly) own firearms. Now, all of those are die-hard backers ofthe Second Amendment, but they also aren’t people who collapse into shrieking messes because someone happens to have a gun. I don’t see this as a wise corporate move on their part. Not only are they losing the business that they’d be getting from this, they are losing the business of people like me who would otherwise look at them as a convenience. The convenience isn’t worth dealing with anti-Civil Rights organizations.


  50. 50 | August 26, 2013 7:18 pm

    Never heard of it before. Will not use it, ever.


  51. Calo
    51 | August 26, 2013 7:51 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Does Square have any competitors yet? If they don’t, they will have sooner or later.

    Commerce Bank already offers a similiar product
    http://www.commercebank.com/smallbusiness/merchant-services/roampay.asp


  52. texasam7
    52 | August 27, 2013 5:47 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    And the people running the system, from the top down to the front line social workers, don’t really want you off.


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