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Palooka Of The Month: August’s Winner, Chris Christie

by Flyovercountry ( 86 Comments › )
Filed under Progressives, Republican Party at August 27th, 2013 - 12:00 pm

Really, were this award around a little longer, Christie would have won it for his bromance announcing photo op of a hug, gifted to the Bamster just days before the Presidential Election. New York was just as devastated by that Hurricane, and yet all of the New York Democrat Politicos running things there told Barack that he was not welcome in their state. So, with that one action, Governor Christie not only proved that he was perfectly comfortable kissing the canvas, he let us all know that those kisses would be of the wet french variety. What hurt about that particular dive most of all, and the list of things that peeved us is long indeed, was that at one time, most of the nation’s conservatives still had youtube videos of Chris Christie standing up and leading the fight against the run amok union leadership with tough as nails sound bytes fresh on their minds.

Now we have something new. Now we get a Chris Christie setting up his national organization and fundraising effort, obviously on a trajectory in which he’ll be running for President in 2016, tell the Conservative base of his supposed party to sit down and shut up. It’s the old, “we can’t win unless we totally capitulate on our small government values,” meme that we love so much. This meme comes in the form of a shot leveled directly at Rand Paul and Ted Cruz.

What the heck, this strategy has proven itself so successful in the past, why not give it just one more chance? I mean, what have we got to lose, besides all of our basic freedoms? As I alluded to before, it’s not just that Christie has chosen to dive all of a sudden that has us all upset, it’s that he had gone to great lengths to prove to us that he could win, and then decided to plant his face into the muslin floor. For the better part of two years, we had, at long last, a Republican who was willing to stand up and make the case for what we believed in, as small government conservatives. In a world where such signs, however fleeting, of political courage were so scarce, Chris Christie became the overnight sensation of almost every righty blog. His youtube clips went viral, and such snippets became the stuff of legend, referred to as Chris Christie porn.

Sure, there was the odd warning from those who were familiar with the North Eastern brand of Republican Politics, telling us that the big government version of Chris Christie would one day shine through, but heck, unquenched thirst for those who’ve been wandering in the desert since 1994 is like that. It has been that long since anyone, (Newt Gingrich was the last,) has been willing to state the case for smaller government, and do so without apology. Having someone finally willing to stand up and make an argument, and to do so cogently, without reservation, and with passion, gave us the hope we needed to believe that returning us to a representative republic in which individual liberty would once again be immune to the tyranny of a majority willing to grant itself lordship over our lives was now possible. So, when Chris Christie gave us some rather overt signals that he in fact would be brandishing the Democrat Lite brand of Republican positions hence forth, that fall was even greater.

His win this month is for his war on Conservatism, or as he labels it, “the dangerous streak of Libertarianism found in both parties.” He has singled out Rand Paul and Ted Cruz as the symbols of his bane, but really it is you and I, the voting base of the Republican Party. Once again, we are told that our votes are necessary, but America would be better off if our voices simply remained silent.

Something else needs to be mentioned here in regards to the sickening man crush Chris Christie seems to have on Barack Obama, and that is this. Don’t try to convince me with specious arguments, they only serve to piss me off. Yes, many of the Obama programs are continuations of Bush programs, but that does not make them equal by any stretch of the imagination. While it is true that Fast and Furious was based upon an operation known as Wide Receiver, their applications were wholly different. Wide Receiver saw a hand full of weapons with LoJack Technology being sold to unsuspecting criminals, so that their eventual encampments could be raided with the aid of the Mexican authorities. Fast and Furious saw massive amounts of high powered weaponry gifted to those same drug cartels so that the ensuing violence could be blamed on our Second Amendment. Similarly, the Patriot Act under President Bush using the lowered standard for wire tapping warrants saw our security services picking individuals upon whom to spy, and acted appropriately. That same program under Obama saw the government collecting meta data on every breathing man, woman, and child, in our nation today. Just to put the cherry on top of how completely ineffective this practice is in terms of preventing terrorism, our nation failed to prevent the activities of two teen aged snots who were specifically pointed out to us by a foreign government who had seen fit to warn us not once, twice, nor even thrice, but four times.

(Scary thought: What that meta data will be useful for however is this. One day, we’ll call it 15 years from now, when you need a bypass operation let’s say, The death panel overlord, working with the full authority of an operational and weaponized Affordable Care Act, will use that meta data to ascertain your eating and living habits gleaned from your grocery store, drug store, debit card, purchases over the past 15 years to determine just how deserving you are of any treatment. When that happens, think of Chris Christie. How about this? When you campaign for a candidate not approved of by the state, or an issue that is against the desires of those in charge, that meta data can be combed for a whole bevy of transgressions which will be used to blackmail you into compliance. When that happens, think of Chris Christie.)

Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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86 Responses to “Palooka Of The Month: August’s Winner, Chris Christie”
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  1. 1 | August 27, 2013 12:22 pm

    I’ve always known that Christie wasn’t our kind of man. His views on the Second Amendment, that is simply doesn’t apply to his State, are antithetical to the small government, individual rights platform that the Party is supposed to endorse. You can tell a lot about a person’s view on the Bill of Rights from their view of the Second Amendment, and Christie is uniformly bad on this issue. He always has been. So I wasn’t particularly surprised when he de facto endorsed Obama in 2012. It was just part and parcel to what he’d already telegraphed were his priorities. I don’t think Christie is in much danger of winning the nomination, despite all the Elites that say he’s the only way we can win. I think the Establishment may push Christie, but he doesn’t have nationwide appeal. He’ll sell to the Northeast, surely, but only at the expense of losing the rest of the country.


  2. 2 | August 27, 2013 12:34 pm

    Chris Christie is a coward. He goes after Rand Paul who is trying to expand the GOP and make it inclusive. Yet he does not go after reactionary jerks like Santorum or bigots like Steve King.

    He’s a loudmouth coward.


  3. 3 | August 27, 2013 12:36 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I don’t think Christie is in much danger of winning the nomination --

    The same was said about McCain and Romney. The GOP always gets their guy. That said, Christie is vile and horrible person. He’s a disgrace to humanity and should be the object of ridicule.


  4. heysoos
    4 | August 27, 2013 12:36 pm

    Christie for president is laughable…gotta be some sorta joke


  5. 5 | August 27, 2013 12:40 pm

    @ heysoos:

    It’s a joke on all of us.


  6. heysoos
    6 | August 27, 2013 1:02 pm

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    It’s a joke on all of us.

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    It’s a joke on all of us.

    the guy’s got nothing…seems like we’d learn a lesson somewhere


  7. waldensianspirit
    7 | August 27, 2013 1:06 pm

    Cheney also noted his support for the military in Egypt and struck a pessimistic note on Syria.

    “It’s almost as though whoever wins we are going to have problems with,” he said. “If there ever was a time to try to intervene to shape that situation was some years past.”


  8. MikeA
    8 | August 27, 2013 1:10 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Not to be rude, but with the way people are stuck on looks and not substance, Christie is overweight. People will not like that. They won’t vote for him. Governor is different. I personally think he is a RINO through and through. The best you’d get in the People’s Republic of NJ.


  9. lobo91
    9 | August 27, 2013 1:12 pm

    WaPo Faux Conservative Jen Rubin Attacks Ted Cruz’s Intelligence, Compares Him To Obama…

    Any conservative looking to the NY Times or Washington Post for guidance is a fool.


  10. 10 | August 27, 2013 1:18 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Rubin plays conservative for the WashPost the way David Brooks does for the NYT. I have no idea what she really believes in. She is a good read on what the Establishment Elites want Conservatives to be. She was very pro-Romney during the Primaries. I’m sure she’ll be pro-Christie if he wis who the Party Mandarins want to be the standard bearer. I am not sure what she really believes, thouugh, if she even has an ideology that isn’t given to her like Received Knowledge from the Party Mandarins. I certainly wouldn’t read her to get any indication of what the Republican base believes or wants.


  11. 11 | August 27, 2013 1:19 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Rubin is a Nation Builder Bush/McCain republican.


  12. 12 | August 27, 2013 1:32 pm

    @ Goldwaterite:

    I haven’t been particularly impressed by her. She exists to get the Elite’s line out there.


  13. 13 | August 27, 2013 1:56 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    You told me back then, and I didn’t listen.


  14. 15 | August 27, 2013 2:14 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    There aren’t many make-or-break issues for me. While I am trending pro-Life in the abortion debate, that isn’t a make or break issue for me. I can understand, to a degree, the complexity of that decision, involving as it does the taking of human life. It also raises privacy concerns, and doctor-patient relations. The Second Amendment, though, is a lot less ambiguous. It is there, in the Bill of Rights, and it is written in the strongest language of the entire Bill of Rights. “Shall not be infringed” is a lot more restrictive thant “Congres shal make no laws”. This appears to be a distinction that has been lost on the Supreme Court for most of its history, but nevertheless, you can tell a lot about a person’s view of the State versus the Individual by how they answer the question on RKBA. Historically, Free Men have the use of Arms, a tradition going back to Greece where individual hoplites were expected to provide their own combat gear. Free men have arms. Slaves do not. Christie either doesn’t get that, or he doesn’t care. Sean Hannity tried to get Christie to walk back his catagorical “this doesn’t apply to my State” arguement, and Christie was adament that the Second Amendment didn’t apply to New Jersey. I do not recall if that interview was prior to McDonald v Chicago or not. In any event, suffice it to say Christie regards people as subjects, not citizens. If that were the sole place I disagreed with Christie, it would be sufficient for me to oppose him. But that is only the beginning. Christie also demonstrated a lack of comprehension about the First Amendment when he fired that guy for burning pages of the Koran at a protest on his own time. That gets to both free speech (as this was an act of protest) and freedom of religion (there are no Islamic blasphemy laws in the Unite States). I don’t care what Christie has done vis the Unions, when he demonstrates such clear lack of respect for the Bill of Rights. If I want a presidential candidate who has gone after the Unions, I would be much better served by backing Scott Walker, who has done so much to roll the Blue Model back in blue Wisconsin.


  15. 16 | August 27, 2013 2:28 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I’m more inclined to think that it has something to do with Syria than with them declaring Martial Law here in the States. Obama may have decided what he is going to do vis Syria. If it entails moving large bodies of troops, that would indicate going in on the ground, though. I don’t know if Obama is willing to do that. It wold be very risky. If we invade Syria, we have to know that Assad will use chemical weapons against us, especilly since Obama has taken nukes off the table in such an event. I don’t see Obama as having the intestinal fortitude to actually go toe to toe with Assad. Certainly, we wouold lose more people than we did in our initial invasion of Iraq. Indeed, we’ve pretty well telegraphed how to beat us if we were to go in. All al Qaeda in Syria would need to do is the same thing that al Qaeda in IRaq did. Obama pulled us completely out of Iraq. I don’t see him as having the backbone to fight it out in Syria.


  16. lobo91
    17 | August 27, 2013 2:28 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Looks more like a National Guard battalion shipping its equipment back to home station after Annual Training to me. It would help if I could see the bumper numbers on the vehicles, though.


  17. lobo91
    18 | August 27, 2013 2:29 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    We have no need to ship Bradleys to the Middle East. We already have a huge stockpile of them sitting in Kuwait for that purpose.


  18. eaglesoars
    19 | August 27, 2013 2:30 pm

    Apparently law enforcement in Spokane are holding Shorty Delton responsible for his own murder because he fought back, enraging those poor boys.

    /caller on Rush


  19. 20 | August 27, 2013 2:31 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    It’s funny how our elites have decided on war without consulting the people.


  20. eaglesoars
    21 | August 27, 2013 2:33 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I don’t know if Obama is willing to do that.

    If he did it w/o Congressional approval -- which he won’t get -- they WILL start inpeachment


  21. 22 | August 27, 2013 2:33 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    We will be stuck in Syria for who knows how long. Nusra will be shooting at us, ISIS will be after us, Hamas also. The Hezzies and Assad’s forces will shot at us. The media will not dare report the body counts.


  22. eaglesoars
    23 | August 27, 2013 2:33 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Looks more like a National Guard battalion shipping its equipment back to home station after Annual Training to me. It would help if I could see the bumper numbers on the vehicles, though.

    much better. My Louisiana friends are a teeny bit freaked


  23. The Osprey
    24 | August 27, 2013 2:34 pm

    Before It’s News can be a little tinfoilish at times.


  24. rain of lead
    25 | August 27, 2013 2:34 pm

    this fucking police chief needs a beating with a clue bat

    Delbert Belton’s death: 2 Spokane teens to be tried as adults

    Spokane Police Chief Frank Straub, at a news conference Monday
    One of these individuals was pretty much a standout basketball player — and because nobody wrapped their arms around him, nobody cared enough about him, he’s now going to face murder and robbery charges,” Straub said. “And, probably, he’s looking at the rest of his life being significantly affected — if not destroyed — by this.”

    and this

    “Our information is that the individual fought back -- and that may have made this a worse situation,” Straub said, referring to the severity of Belton’s injuries. “I’m not being critical of Mr. Belton. I would encourage individuals to fight back, and he should have, but it shouldn’t have happened to begin with, right? But I think a robbery just got worse.”

    so it’s the victims fault?
    this chief is a disgrace


  25. 26 | August 27, 2013 2:35 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Pity he didn’t have a gun and shoot them. You have to know if that had happened the same race hustlers that crawled out of the woodwork for Trayvon Martin would have been there for these “boys”, too. Indeed, if Zimmerman hadn’t had a gun, Martin might very well have beaten him to death. The same people who were all teary-eyed about Martin could have given a rat’s ass if Martin had beaten Zimmerman to deat. How many times did we have to hear that Zimmerman should have taken his beating to know how they would have reacted to Zimmerman being a fatality. Nothing to see here. Move along.


  26. 27 | August 27, 2013 2:36 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    That’s Law Enforcement’s mentality. They also tell victims not to fight back. I never will understand that mindset.


  27. rain of lead
    28 | August 27, 2013 2:37 pm

    @ Goldwaterite:

    because when seconds count
    the cops are just minutes away


  28. eaglesoars
    29 | August 27, 2013 2:38 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    see my #19. that caller to Rush was spitting nails

    The Osprey wrote:

    Before It’s News can be a little tinfoilish at times.

    I’d not seen it before so I had no opinion. But I thought I’d post it just to see if anyone had any thoughts. I have a girlfriend who keeps her shotgun in her car and she saw those pics and moved it into her house and took out extra ammo.

    You know, city/state officials should let the public know about this stuff


  29. lobo91
    30 | August 27, 2013 2:39 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ Goldwaterite:
    because when seconds count
    the cops are just minutes away

    Exactly


  30. 31 | August 27, 2013 2:39 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    But I think a robbery just got worse.”

    Like I said, pity he wasn’t carrying a gun. The Democrats are de facto pro-criminal. You can see this in most everything that they do. They don’t really want to enforce the law, unless it is gun control laws, and even there only so long as the person charged hasn’t done anything else (like robbing someone). They want to go after the law abiding gun owner, not the Gangster Disciple, Crip, or Blood. You see that in Chicago. I wonder if McDonald has gotten his pistol yet?


  31. lobo91
    32 | August 27, 2013 2:42 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    You know, city/state officials should let the public know about this stuff

    There are trains (and trucks) moving military equipment around the country every day. People forget that the actual name of the Interstate system is the Interstate and Defense Highway System. It was backed by Eisenhower as a way to be able to move forces quickly within the country during the Cold War.


  32. 33 | August 27, 2013 2:42 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    Disgusting, and yet wholly in keeping with the lunatics you find inhabiting the left coast. Remember, this is the community that gave us Rachel the, “Human Speed Bump,” Corey.


  33. 34 | August 27, 2013 2:42 pm

    @ Goldwaterite:

    Not always. When my ex-girlfriend’s grandmother was nearly beaten to death, I was in the room when the Sherrif’s Deputy told her to buy a gun and kill the guy if he came back. In those exact words. Police Chiefs tend to be anti-self defense because they are political appointees. Sherrif’s OTOH tend to be more pro-self defense. I think that is because they are elected.


  34. rain of lead
    35 | August 27, 2013 2:43 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    yes, she was pissed that’s why I posted that


  35. The Osprey
    36 | August 27, 2013 2:44 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Maybe it comes from having grown up on a USMC base on the Carolina coast during the Vietnam War, and seeing movements of military vehicles to local ports all the time, but I just don’t get as freaked out about it as people tend to do today. Usually there’s a logical explanation for it, like Lobo posted, that usually has to do with training or vehicle being sent or returning from deployments overseas.


  36. eaglesoars
    37 | August 27, 2013 2:45 pm

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    That’s Law Enforcement’s mentality. They also tell victims not to fight back.

    Some guy broke into my apt and tried to rape me years ago. I fought back. Two days later he raped my neighbor. She tried to ‘talk him out of it’. She’d been taught that in a rape-avoidance class. The detectives on the case told me to ALWAYS fight -- and to go for the eyes.

    At the arraignment he sneered at me. The bailiff had to pull me off because I had the fucker by the throat. His lawyer told the detectives that he decided to offer a plea then and there. “I am NOT putting that woman on the stand.”

    Fight until you can run. Always


  37. rain of lead
    38 | August 27, 2013 2:46 pm

    one of the biggest urban myths is that the police’s job is to serve and protect
    pffft
    they have NO responsiblty to protect anything


  38. 39 | August 27, 2013 2:47 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I guess it depends on the locality. But I have seen LEO’s use the victims made it worse nonsense.


  39. 40 | August 27, 2013 2:48 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I guess it depends on the LEO. I have seen some use the victims made it it worse excuse.


  40. 41 | August 27, 2013 2:48 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yeah, always fight. One of my instructors hd a student that a guy tried to rape. She to the guy’s dick in one had, balls in the other, and yanked them in opposite directions as har as she could. The guy passed out from the pain, and was still unconscious when the police got there. I bet the guy was physically incapable of rape after that.


  41. lobo91
    42 | August 27, 2013 2:50 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Sherrif’s OTOH tend to be more pro-self defense. I think that is because they are elected.

    That’s exactly the case. Police Chiefs are hired by the city government, and have to follow whatever policies they put forth, whether they agree with them or not. Otherwise, they’ll be fired.

    Sheriffs, on the other hand, are separately elected officials. They set policy, rather than follow it. Nobody can fire them, other than the voters at the next election.


  42. 43 | August 27, 2013 2:51 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    Have you hugged a thug today?
    *spit*


  43. eaglesoars
    44 | August 27, 2013 2:52 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    The guy passed out from the pain,

    dayum. wish I’d thought of that!


  44. Speranza
    45 | August 27, 2013 2:53 pm

    I have said this before -- for New Jersey he is a good governor and that is as far as he should go.


  45. spinmore
    46 | August 27, 2013 2:55 pm

    hello

    . . . is anyone else able to log onto Drudge?


  46. 47 | August 27, 2013 2:56 pm

    @ Goldwaterite:

    Sure, and it depends on the character of the cop in question, too. I used to work out with a cop (several cops, over the years, actually) back when the Donks passed the original “Assault Weapons” ban, and he was very against it. He honestly didn’t care if you had a machinegun as long as you weren’t using it on people. He was concerned about concealed carry, though. That was winding its way through our State government at the same time. Fortuantely, all the dire predictions about Tennessee turning into the “Wild West” didn’t come to pass. Now that all fifty states allow some form of conceled carry, those fears can be seen as not being grounded in fact. The homicide rate is far lower today than it was then, so if nothing else you can prove that liberalizing concealed carry laws don’t cause an increase in crime.


  47. eaglesoars
    48 | August 27, 2013 2:58 pm

    spinmore wrote:

    hello
    . . . is anyone else able to log onto Drudge?

    no problemo here


  48. spinmore
    49 | August 27, 2013 3:01 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    thanks.
    weird, still won’t load for me


  49. texasam7
    50 | August 27, 2013 3:04 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Ouch!


  50. 51 | August 27, 2013 3:04 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yeah, I imagine that was quite the crowd-pleaser. A man has to make himself vulnerable in order to comit rape. If the woman isn’t unconscious herself, there are things she can do to sit him down real fast. Nothing works faster than crushing a testicle. The guy will immediately go into shock if you rupture the testicle itself. That doesn’t require a great deal of force. It doesn’t even require good technique. You have to keep your head about you, which I am sure would be challenging in the circumstances, but you will often be have the oppertunity to do a lot of damage to the guy. Of course, if he has a knife, that’s a different kettle of fish. A gun actually puts him at more risk, because he’ll not be focused on retaining control of his weapon during the comission of his crime. Too, the primary thing that a gun gives you is range, and you can’t comitt rape at a distance.


  51. eaglesoars
    52 | August 27, 2013 3:07 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    did you see the Bonnie pic I sent you guys?

    gotta go scrub the bird bath


  52. 53 | August 27, 2013 3:10 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I saw the email, but I couldn’t get the picture to download to my phone. I’ll take a look at it when I get home. I meant to do that last niht, but I forgot. I know you are happy to have new dogs. Pets enrich our lives in so many ways.


  53. 54 | August 27, 2013 3:18 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I think for LEO’s its about job security. If people can resist criminals on their own, then there is less need for cops.


  54. 55 | August 27, 2013 3:26 pm

    @ Goldwaterite:

    No, at least that isn’t what it’s been in my experience. Most cops will admit that they simply can’t protect you. At the end of the day, self-defense is what most of us have to rely on. The cops are only there to fill out the paperwork. The average cop is just an average guy. There are good ones and bad ones.Some of them will go out of their way to help you, sometimes they’ll go out of their way to harm you, too. I’ve been hassleld by cops before. I’ve had them stop me specifically to run my license, very much like stop and frisk, just not quite as intrusive.


  55. eaglesoars
    56 | August 27, 2013 3:32 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I’ve been hassleld by cops before.

    It’s your innocent visage, I’m sure.


  56. eaglesoars
    57 | August 27, 2013 3:35 pm

    the news just reported that some dumbass was sentenced to 8 mos for a youtube video showing how to grow marijuana. He didn’t identify himself but his face was reflected off a shiny surface and a package showed his hame.

    Should have been sentenced to 3 yrs on an ‘irredemably stupid’ charge


  57. 58 | August 27, 2013 3:42 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    No doubt.


  58. 59 | August 27, 2013 3:46 pm

    @ spinmore:

    I have not visited the Drudge web site since his full page smearing of New Gingrich, and his part in securing the nomination for Mitt Romney. I still have not forgiven Matt Drudge for his not only taking sides, but taking the wrong side at that.


  59. 60 | August 27, 2013 3:47 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I just have to wonder, though, how the cops got turned onto this. I mean, I know there isn’t a cop whos job it is to police YouTube looking for stupid Criminals. Did somebody rat this guy out? Why would the cops even care? Sure, the guy is domb as a stone for making the video, but I worry a bit about the cops having enough time on their hands to make this a worthwhile bust.


  60. 61 | August 27, 2013 3:52 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    It would have been more forgivable if Romney had actually ran as hard against Obama as he did Rick Perry. That is the big issue with both McCain and Romney. Neither on eof them campaigned like they believed it was a momentous decision between them and Obama. What we need is someone who could articulate the Conservative position. Somebody who truly believed in it. We haven’t really had that since Reagan was in office.


  61. 62 | August 27, 2013 3:56 pm

    On Syria, Obama is already signalling to Bashar Assad that they aren’t serious:

    The White House on Tuesday said the goal of President Barack Obama’s response to the use of chemical weapons in Syria won’t be to overthrow the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

    “I want to make clear that the options that we are considering are not about regime change,” said Jay Carney, the president’s chief spokesman. “They are about responding to clear violation of an international standard that prohibits the use of chemical weapons.”

    Mr. Carney said Mr. Obama is still reviewing options—military and nonmilitary—to respond to last week’s poison gas attacks in Syria, which activists and rebels say killed more than 1,000. A host of countries, including the U.S., France, Britain and members of the Arab League, have condemned the attacks and said Mr. Assad’s forces were behind them. The condemnations should help provide the support the U.S. needs should it strike the Syrian government.

    There’s nothing a dictator wants more than assurance that he won’t be toppled. What, then, would be the purpose of a military strike? We’re going to send a strong message by denying that we want to send a strong message? Obama is totally fucking this up. It is like he is trying to come up with the worst possible solution for America. Which, in fact, he may indeed be doing.


  62. eaglesoars
    63 | August 27, 2013 3:59 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I mean, I know there isn’t a cop whos job it is to police YouTube looking for stupid Criminals.

    I wondered the same thing. The report didn’t say where it was (or I didn’t catch it) but it does make sense if it’s a small town where everybody knows everybody and everybody talks.


  63. eaglesoars
    64 | August 27, 2013 4:02 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Obama is totally fucking this up.

    Well if it WAS Assad who used the chem weapons -- and I’m not sure it was -- he’s already moved them so they won’t be taken out. Other than that goal, I hardly see the point.


  64. heysoos
    65 | August 27, 2013 4:02 pm

    how often do you wake up in the morning and totally agree with Chinese, Russians and Mullahas concerning the intentions of the US?…I knew the second that twit made his ignorant red line comment, it was gonna be bad news down the road…this could end up being the epic blunder of the century…I have a real bad vibe about this


  65. heysoos
    66 | August 27, 2013 4:06 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    Obama is totally fucking this up.
    Well if it WAS Assad who used the chem weapons — and I’m not sure it was — he’s already moved them so they won’t be taken out. Other than that goal, I hardly see the point.

    it’s all political…his tit’s in a ringer so he’s gonna kill a bunch of people to preserve his fucked up image


  66. eaglesoars
    67 | August 27, 2013 4:11 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    how often do you wake up in the morning and totally agree with Chinese, Russians and Mullahas concerning the intentions of the US?

    lately, almost every damn day


  67. 68 | August 27, 2013 4:12 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Oh yeah, it could get much worse.


  68. 69 | August 27, 2013 4:15 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    It was Assad’s forces. On the evening in question, Nusra Front broke through some defenses. The Syrian commander panicked and used them to stop the breach. Israel has intercepts on this.


  69. 70 | August 27, 2013 4:17 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Obama should do nothing. If he came out and said this is none of our business, I would applaud him. But both Parties love war and conflict.

    This is just annoying and one reason I’m rapidly losing interest in politics.


  70. eaglesoars
    71 | August 27, 2013 4:18 pm

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    srael has intercepts on this.

    Ah. Thanks, I did not know that


  71. 72 | August 27, 2013 4:18 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    yes Russia is more capitalist than us. We are the Marxists now. Irony of history, huh?


  72. eaglesoars
    73 | August 27, 2013 4:19 pm

    @ Goldwaterite:

    hey, did you get my email? I want to exchange addy’s w/Jehu because he wants to know what I think about his book and I’m not sure I’ll catch him here.


  73. heysoos
    74 | August 27, 2013 4:19 pm

    using gas is a sideshow…if you are Muslim in the ME chances of violent death are almost imminent…figuring out how to CONTAIN this little dust up should be everybodies focus, so blowing off Putin, the other major player, was a monumental mistake….BO is a disaster


  74. 75 | August 27, 2013 4:19 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    It may not have come from Assad himself. It was a panicky commander.


  75. eaglesoars
    76 | August 27, 2013 4:19 pm

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    Irony of history, huh?

    I have felt like a serf lately.

    I’m think lamp posts and stout hemp rope


  76. 77 | August 27, 2013 4:19 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Sure I will get to it in the evening.


  77. heysoos
    78 | August 27, 2013 4:20 pm

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Obama should do nothing. If he came out and said this is none of our business, I would applaud him. But both Parties love war and conflict.
    This is just annoying and one reason I’m rapidly losing interest in politics.

    amen brother…what’s the use?


  78. eaglesoars
    79 | August 27, 2013 4:21 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    was a monumental mistake…

    It’s the only kind he makes


  79. eaglesoars
    80 | August 27, 2013 4:21 pm

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Sure I will get to it in the evening.

    thank you dearie!


  80. 81 | August 27, 2013 4:24 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I’m think lamp posts and stout hemp rope

    Dorian would be proud! :lol:


  81. eaglesoars
    82 | August 27, 2013 4:25 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Goldwaterite wrote:
    @ Iron Fist:
    Obama should do nothing. If he came out and said this is none of our business, I would applaud him. But both Parties love war and conflict.
    This is just annoying and one reason I’m rapidly losing interest in politics.

    amen brother…what’s the use?

    well since war is just politics by other means, I like to keep an eye on the stuff.


  82. 83 | August 27, 2013 4:26 pm

    New Thread.


  83. 84 | August 27, 2013 4:54 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    well since war is just politics by other means, I like to keep an eye on the stuff.

    Politics is War, too. That is something that our Domestic Enemies realize. The Democrats act as though the fate of the world depended on their being in power. The Republicans act like it is no big deal if you elect Democrats. Why would we win, under those circumstances? Until we run a candidate who really believes in the Party, we are mostly going to lose. In some ways it is surprising that we have the House, but , then again, House seats are closer to the people. They are more likely to follow closely the wishes of the voters. The Senate, OTOH, doesn’t have to be as reflective of publc opinion. It is supposed to be the more deliberative body. Under Reid, though, it has become an exztremely partisan place. Obama can almost always rely on the Senate to fall his way. The exception to the rule is on gun control. Senators do want to be re-elected, and a third of them are up every two years. They don’t want to get so far out of the mainstream that they get kicked out of office, and we proved in 1994 that we could kick out seated Senators if we were mad enough.


  84. lobo91
    85 | August 27, 2013 5:05 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Obama can almost always rely on the Senate to fall his way. The exception to the rule is on gun control.

    Which is because gun control doesn’t fall along strictly partisan lines. It’s more of an urban/rural split.


  85. 86 | August 27, 2013 5:17 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Yeah, and that is even more pronounced in the House than it is in the Senate. A lot of the Democrat Senators are in office based on the votes in one or two heavily Democrat municipalities. House members are, by design, closer to the communities from whence they come.


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