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What Election Fraud?

by Mars ( 64 Comments › )
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I’m getting fed up with all the talking heads on both sides of the fence telling me lately that election fraud is largely a made up scandal by the “far right”. This is B.S. and needs to be addressed every time it comes up. If it isn’t fought then we are going to be trapped by an eternal Dem majority until this current “soft” dictatorship gets real hard, real fast. Here’s just a quick peek at some of the information that is currently out there on the election fraud committed by the left during the 2012 elections. So, next time you get told that Voter ID laws are just an attempt by racists to “disenfranchise” one group or another, refer the moron who said it to this information.

How Widespread is Voter Fraud? | 2012 Facts & Figures

Here are the facts:

To date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted cases of voter fraud.
More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.
There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls across the country.
More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state.
True The Vote recently found 99 cases of potential felony interstate voter fraud.
Maryland affiliates of True The Vote uncovered cases of people registering and voting after their respective deaths.
This year, True The Vote uncovered more than 348,000 dead people on the rolls in 27 states.
California: 49,000
Florida: 30,000
Texas: 28,500
Michigan: 25,000
Illinois: 24,000
12 Indiana counties have more registered voters than residents.
The Ohio Secretary of State admitted that multiple Ohio counties have more registered voters than residents.
Federal records showed 160 counties in 19 states have over 100 percent voter registration.
The Florida New Majority Education Fund, Democratic Party of Florida and the National Council of La Raza are currently under investigation for alleged voter registration fraud.
True The Vote is Chuck Norris approved.

How popular is Voter ID?

74 percent of Americans support, according to The Washington Post.
71 percent of Latinos support it, according to the PEW Research Center.

http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-widespread-is-voter-fraud-2012-facts-figures

The Scribd link will take you to a document requesting Dead voter records, and there are several other documents linked on the page referring to other items.

It’s Official: Obama Voter Fraud Reason for “Reelection”/growing Totalitarian Gove

The truth about the Obama syndicate’s “victory” in November due to the most massive voter fraud in American history has become increasingly dire and overwhelming. It is also merely the latest treasonous act perpetrated upon We-the-People by our slave masters.

And—with the exception of the still-sycophantic Obama-media who enthusiastically embrace totalitarianism—said “win” by Obama shows how quickly he and the Marxist Democrat Party (with the help of willing RINO Senators and incorrectly named “representatives” of the people) affected the complete overthrow of the United States government…and We-the-People. If you are uncomfortable with these truths and believe that the telling of them constitutes defeatism, I suggest you stop reading now. My message will not get any rosier.

For those of you still reading, let’s jump in without further ado—or adieu as it were—shall we?
Facts already in Place-

First and foremost, Obama lost in each and every US State where voter ID laws were in place (Georgia, Indiana, Kansas and Tennessee)
Massive Obama voter fraud occurred in multiple States—especially the “swing states”
In 59 Philadelphia precincts, Mitt Romney received no votes and Obama received 100% of the votes. This fact, alone, should have raised red flags and set off all manner of bells, whistles and sirens. But, the Republican Establishment (aka Marxist-lite) has remained silent
In Florida, St. Lucie County and other counties experienced unprecedented voter fraud, with St. Lucie reporting in at a141% turnout—which is impossible
In Ohio, Obama “won” a county by 108% of registered voters—another impossibility, of course, except with well-planned and implemented election fraud
The military vote was almost totally suppressed in the November elections
People were openly reported to have voted twice—or more
Republican poll watchers in multiple states were either turned away and not allowed to enter the precincts or thrown out once they had done so
Voters in multiple voting booths across the country reported their votes for Romney were automatically changed to Obama (video below)
Votes for Romney/Ryan were either changed to Obama./Biden by poll workers or thrown out entirely
Democrats bussed non-US citizen voters, many of whom could not speak English, from state to state to vote for Obama
The RNLA reported “election fraud occurred in Flushing [NY] when a Korean-American translator helping voters at PS 20 was caught directing them to vote for Democratic candidates. A volunteer poll watcher confirmed the incident” and in North Carolina

“The father of a mentally handicapped woman claims his daughter and others were “carted off” to a North Carolina polling site last week and “coaxed” into voting for President Obama by workers of the group home where she stays Judson Berger, Group home accused of taking patients to vote for Obama, Fox News, Nov. 5, 2012” and in Massachusetts “FOX Undercover found out something else about Santiago-Vazquez. He’s been registered to vote from his home address in Lawrence since 2010. Our investigation shows he’s not the only registered voter in Lawrence who is not a citizen. By cross-checking Lawrence voter records with criminal records that included records indicating lack of citizenship, we found three others: * Bruno Paulino is a legal resident detained by immigration authorities earlier this year, has been a registered Lawrence voter since 2009; * Jose Jimenez, a legal resident who faces “potential deportation to the Dominican Republic”, according to federal court records, has been a registered Republican in Lawrence since 2010; * and Marcos Acosta, picked up during a recent immigration sweep, has been a registered voter in Lawrence since 2008.” Non-citizens registered to vote in Lawrence but officials shrug, Fox Boston, Nov. 5, 2012.

There are hundreds and thousands of the above reports on the Net, many of which can be viewed in my source material below. The central and grave problem we now face is that with the “new-normal” massive election fraud either being ignored (accepted) or discounted by the two major political parties we have, indeed, lost our Republic. Bear in mind that without our founding legal document—the US Constitution—being protected, observed and followed to the letter by our political and judicial leaders the Republic is moot. And the majority of our political leaders have not followed the US Constitution for decades. If they had, said “leaders” would not have been able to affect the unconscionable theft of the fruits of our labors which they have unethically and with abject turpitude ‘redistributed’ into their own pockets and they would certainly not have been able to strip us of our liberties one-by-one; so that we are now left with none. However, it was our own lack of attention to what they were actually doing and our own inaction in stopping them that—in great measure—allowed these atrocities to occur.

Before the last stage of our options is forced into implementation, there may be a couple of things we can do to stop the complete destruction and chaotic onslaught by our once-fellow citizen leaders. The first is to file a treason complaint against Obama and see if you can find a grand jury in your state that will agree to pursue it. We only need one, at this juncture. Multiple treason complaints have already been filed by LCDR Walter Fitzpatrick III and have been accepted by the courts as “meritorious.” The second is to get to the electors in each of your/our home states and beg them, in light of the unprecedented November voter fraud, not to cast their vote for Obama until a recount is affected. This must be accomplished before 17 December 2012. Information on both of these items may be accessed at the Jag Hunter and The Electoral College—both links below.

By now, we all know our last course of action. It is the same one into which our Founders were forced. May we pray to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that we are successful in our endeavors for God, family and country. In the end—as always—it is God who will bring us through the darkness and, once again, into the light.

“God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independent 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.”—1787 Jefferson letter to William Smith

“Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you”—Luke 10:19

Sher Zieve is an author and political commentator. Zieve’s op-ed columns are widely carried by multiple internet journals and sites, and she also writes hard news. Her columns have also appeared in The Oregon Herald, Dallas Times, Sacramento Sun, in international news publications, and on multiple university websites. Sher is also a guest on multiple national radio shows.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/51327

Voter rolls in Ohio are bloated, experts say

More than one out of every five registered Ohio voters is probably ineligible to vote.

In two counties, the number of registered voters actually exceeds the voting-age population: Northwestern Ohio’s Wood County shows 109 registered voters for every 100 eligible, while in Lawrence County along the Ohio River it’s a mere 104 registered per 100 eligible.

Another 31 counties show registrations at more than 90 percent of those eligible, a rate regarded as unrealistic by most voting experts. The national average is a little more than 70 percent.

In a close presidential election where every vote might count, which ones to count might become paramount on Election Day — and in possible legal battles afterward.

Of the Buckeye State’s 7.8 million registered voters, nearly 1.6 million are regarded as “ inactive.” That generally means either they haven’t voted in at least four years or they apparently have moved.

What can Ohio’s chief elections official, Secretary of State Jon Husted, do to clean up the voter rolls?

Not enough, he says.

In a Feb. 10 letter, he asked U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder for a personal meeting to discuss how to balance seemingly conflicting federal laws so he could pare Ohio’s dirty voter list without removing truly eligible voters.

“Common sense says that the odds of voter fraud increase the longer these ineligible voters are allowed to populate our rolls,” Husted said. “I simply cannot accept that.”

Holder’s office has never replied.

More at http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/09/16/voter-rolls-in-ohio-are-bloated-experts-say.html

And of course here’s even more info for you if you wish to click this link.

http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2012/11/11/obama_likely_won_reelection_through_election_fraud/page/full

Let’s not forget this charming lady.

Did Obama supporter vote 6 times in 2012? Ohio poll worker target of investigation
Eric Shawn

By Eric Shawn
Published February 19, 2013
FoxNews.com
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The Obama/Biden lawn sign remains proudly planted in front of Melowese Richardson’s Cincinnati home, three months after the presidential election.

It seems that President Obama has an especially ardent supporter in the veteran Ohio poll worker.

Richardson told a local television station this month that she voted twice last November. She cast an absentee ballot and then voted at the polls as well.

“Yes, I voted twice,” Richardson told WCPO-TV. “I, after registering thousands of people, certainly wanted my vote to count, so I voted. I voted at the polls.”

Authorities also are investigating if she voted in the names of four other people, too, for a total of six votes in the 2012 presidential election.

“I’ll fight it for Mr. Obama and for Mr. Obama’s right to sit as president of the United States,” Richardson vowed when asked about the voter fraud investigation that is now under way.

Richardson is one of 19 people suspected of illegal voting by the Hamilton County Board of Elections in the last election.

“I’m outraged, and every voter, regardless of their political affiliation, should be outraged,” said Hamilton County Board of Elections member Alex Triantafilou, who is also chairman of the county Republican Party. “It causes folks to have real doubts about the fabric of our very democratic process, and it’s dangerous. It is disconcerting that someone would be so bold as to admit their conduct in such a fashion … We fully intend to prosecute these cases.”

Richardson claimed she had submitted an absentee ballot, but was afraid her vote would not count so she also voted in person. She also said she voted in the name of her granddaughter and yet another person.

“There was absolutely no intent on my part to commit any voter fraud,” she insisted.

Richardson’s granddaughter, India Richardson, confirmed to Fox News that her grandmother voted for her, by submitting an absentee ballot in her name. India told Fox News that she is not angry, and gave her permission to cast her absentee ballot.

“It wasn’t a big deal,” she said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/19/ohio-poll-worker-obama-supporter-investigated-for-potentially-voting-six-times/#ixzz2etjxnBv6

Remember people, it’s not a big deal.

Yet while researching this article for every one article detailing the crimes that actually occurred there where a hundred by NYT, HUFFPO, DAILYKOS, and tons of local news agencies and dem political operations saying these exact things weren’t happening. As James O’Keefe was filming buses full of illegal voters and the New Black Panthers intimidating voters, the New York Times put out an article saying that those exact things were imaginary and not happening anywhere. If nothing else the 2012 elections have shown us two things, one the elections in this country may be so corrupted that free elections are now a joke, and second that the press will now lie and deceive the voting public to ensure an eternal dem victory.

I haven’t been able to find all of the articles I’ve found in the past, but there is evidence out there that election fraud was so widespread in this country that there could have been as many as 3-4 MILLION votes that were completely fraudulent on the rolls.

Think about this the next time a Dem tells you that they are winning because that’s what the public wants.

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  1. rain of lead
    1 | September 16, 2013 8:39 am


  2. rain of lead
    2 | September 16, 2013 8:39 am

    great post btw


  3. 3 | September 16, 2013 8:43 am

    Voter fraud may have made a difference in this last Presidential election, and God knows it almost cost George Bush the win in 2000. Al Franken owes his Senate seat to fraud, pure and simple, and with things as close as they are, one Senate seat is worth a lot. And this is just voter fraud that I can point to off the top of my head. Who knows how many State and loccal elections turn on the dead voting? I’d say too many, no matter what the number. And we all know that the voter fraud works one way: Democrats are the ones doing this. I blame the Republicans, too, though, because they haven’t even tried to fix the problem on a nation wide basis. We have gotten voter ID laws in some states, but the Dems fight them tooth and nail. Why voting should be easier than buying a gun is beyond me. A gun is a right. Voting is a Privilege. If you have to ahve a photo ID to buy a gun, you should hav to have a photo ID to vote.


  4. rain of lead
  5. 5 | September 16, 2013 8:53 am

    Clear the voter rolls every 4 years. I can see some kind of ‘work around’ for seniors who aren’t able to easily get to a place to renew their registration, but it’d certainly help. Maybe have birth dates as part of that ID system, then compare to death records?

    Florescent dye the finger of everyone who votes.

    Photo ID’s. You can prove your identity with something as simple as a recent utility bill when you get your ‘state issued’ ID.


  6. 6 | September 16, 2013 8:55 am

    @ rain of lead:

    You are goin gto see a lot more of that. My wife is currently working as a contractor doing technical writing. She’s been working for the same company for over a year. They really want to hire her on as a permanent employee, but they are in the medical field, so thanks to ObamaCare, everything is too uncertain for them to want to bring on another full-fledged employee. The only reason this isn’t a disaster for us is that I can get coverage on my spouse through work. A lot of places are ending that as well. There is no indication that where I work plans to do that, but it is a concern. ObamaCare has created so much FUD in the market that people are just not doing anything right now.


  7. 7 | September 16, 2013 8:56 am

    There was some fraud, but not enough to give Obama the election. That said, the voter rolls should be cleaned up and you should have a photo ID to vote. In some countries, they use fingerprints.


  8. rain of lead
    8 | September 16, 2013 9:01 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I know, at the end of next month is open enrollment for insurance
    at my work and I am dreading how much the increase is going to be


  9. Speranza
    9 | September 16, 2013 9:01 am

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    There was some fraud, but not enough to give Obama the election. That said, the voter rolls should be cleaned up and you should have a photo ID to vote. In some countries, they use fingerprints.

    Look we lost and in the states where there is traditional voter fraud such as Illinois we were not going to win anyway. We lose elections because our messaging is just plain awful and we throw away certain victories in Missouri, Indiana, Nevada, Alaska, Colorado, and Delaware with bad candidates. But I guess it is easier to blame electoral fraud than looking into the mirror.


  10. 10 | September 16, 2013 9:02 am

    @ mfhorn:

    Yeah, the voter ID isn’t foolproof, but it moves us in that direction. We have voter ID in my state, and it is no big deal. Everybody has a photo ID. You need a photo ID to buy beer, for God’s sake. The poor can get free IDs. You don’t even have to be able to drive. A concealed Carry permit is also a valid form of photo ID. There is really no legitimate complaint about voter ID. None. If a person is against voter ID, then they are for voter fraud. Period. The Republicans need to be pointing this out. I don’t really kno wthe percentage of fraudulen vote, but if it were as high as 5% it would be making a serious difference, as closely tied as the parties are in the electorate. It doesn’t take lots of fraud to change the results of the vote. I am certain that fraud helped Obama over the line in the last election. Hell, they’ve put a few people i jail over that. But that’s just the ones who got caught. It really is not difficult to not get caught in most states. The Democrat Machine discourages any investigation into voter fraud, and the Republicans are being too damned busy being collegial with the Democrats to do anything abou tit.


  11. 11 | September 16, 2013 9:05 am

    @ Speranza:

    But I guess it is easier to blame electoral fraud than looking into the mirror.

    I agree, I am all for cleaning up the voter rolls, but the GOP needs to man up and find a way to appeal to the voting public.


  12. 12 | September 16, 2013 9:07 am

    Speranza wrote:

    But I guess it is easier to blame electoral fraud than looking into the mirror.

    So you think it isn’t a problem? Al Franken owes his senate seat to voter fraud, pure and simple. That is one case where it is beyond doubt. But I guess it is easier to be Collegial with the Democrats rather than call them on their illegal voting practices. The only reason to oppose voter ID is so that you can comitt voter fraud. Period. If the Democrats weren’t benefitting from voter fraud, they’d be OK with voter ID.


  13. 13 | September 16, 2013 9:09 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Look we lost and in the states where there is traditional voter fraud such as Illinois we were not going to win anyway

    Oh, and you are the one always telling me we should be running a 50 State campaign. If you really believe that, why let fraud make a difference in Illinois and California? If we can’t be bothered to deal with the voter fraud where it is rampant, why should we spend money advertising in those markets?


  14. 14 | September 16, 2013 9:10 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I am certain that fraud helped Obama over the line in the last election.

    Good Morning!

    You really don’t think Obama just won and the GOP lost? Rather than make up excuses, why not admit the GOP has a problem and look for ways to fix it. I am not saying the voter rolls don’t need to be clean up, they do. But the whole Obama stole the election is just excuse making in my opinion.

    Wanting to fix the voting process and fixing the GOP’s appeal don’t have to be mutually exclusive.


  15. 15 | September 16, 2013 9:11 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The argument I keep seeing is that there were something like 5 cases of vote fraud here in the state, and we’re suppressing the black vote to solve the non-problem


  16. 16 | September 16, 2013 9:15 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    What the GOP has been doing since 92 by focusing on just rural states and praying they get Ohio+Florida has not been working. The Democrats start off with 242 electoral votes while the GOP starts with 191. That is not a winning strategy.


  17. 17 | September 16, 2013 9:17 am

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    But the whole Obama stole the election is just excuse making in my opinion.

    I haven’t said Obama stolethe election. Please don’t misrepresent what I am saying. I am saying voter fraud made a difference in the totals, and that is incontrovertable. It is undeniable that this “help” went exclusively to the Democrats. There is no evidence that the GOP has engaged in fraud. It is also incontrovertable that fraud is making a difference down-ticket. There is no way to get around that Al Franken was “elected” with fraudulent votes. How many other lesser seats have been stolen? I don’t think we even have the apparatus to say. If I were to guess, I’d say voter fraud makes up somewhere between 3-5% of the vote, with it being higher in places like Chicago and California. That is enough to make a difference. I’d say voter fraud is why things were so close in 2000. If we are goin gto fight, we need to fight. There is no legitimate reason to oppose photo IDs for voting. No matter how you cut it, these people are arguing for voter fraud. If the Democrats are willing to risk public backlash to oppose popular laws, then they obviously think that voter fraud makes enough of a difference to be worth fighting for.


  18. Speranza
    18 | September 16, 2013 9:18 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Oh, and you are the one always telling me we should be running a 50 State campaign. If you really believe that, why let fraud make a difference in Illinois and California? If we can’t be bothered to deal with the voter fraud where it is rampant, why should we spend money advertising in those markets?

    Yes we should run a 50 state campaign. You are the one who concedes vast swaths of electoral votes before the elections even begins. We are no longer right now capable of winning a national campaign because we are stuck in a 1980 mindset. You see, I don’t believe in these millions of white evangelicals coming out of the corn fields in Iowa to vote Republican who were sitting out the elections because the Party Platform was not reactionary enough. The Mayberry’s of America are disappearing and a political party that is perceived to be (unjustly but nevertheless perceived to be) anti youth, anti women, and anti Hispanic is doomed to perpetual minority status. Whenever the Republicans run for Senate a candidate in a blue state who has a chance of actually winning who is not a hard core conservative the chorus of “RINO, RINO” that comes from blogs is deafening.


  19. 19 | September 16, 2013 9:19 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I was not referring to you specifically, just making a point. But we are in agreement that the voting process needs to be cleaned up.


  20. 20 | September 16, 2013 9:22 am

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    The Democrats start off with 242 electoral votes while the GOP starts with 191

    I’m not going to sdispute your numbersbecause I simply don’t know if you are correct or not. Assuming that you are, though, that is not a position where we automatically lose. It makes it an uphill battle, but it is still doable. But you are missing my point. Voter fraud doesn’t just make a difference in the Presidential vote. It has an impact all the way down to local elections, and actually has a bigger impact the close to home you get with it. Voter fraud constitutes enough of the vote that Democrats are willing to look bad to help voter fraud continue. I don’ tknow that anybody knows exactly how many seats that voter fraud makes the difference. We really don’t have any way to tell, because all of our methods for detecting voter fraud essentially rely on the individual voter to be truthful and forthcoming about themselves. It is easy enough to obtain voter registration in someone else’s name. We know that this happens. Why not do something about it?


  21. 21 | September 16, 2013 9:29 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Yes we should run a 50 state campaign

    Then why are you opposed to common-sense measures to prevent voter fraud? It seems to me that this would be an issue that both parties could support, and the Democrt’s opposition to it simply reinforces my belief that voter fraud does make a difference. The Democrats clearly feel that they benefit from voter fraud enough to be willing to go to the mat for it.

    As for the Evangelicals coming out of the corn fields, in States like Tennessee Romney got nearly 60% of the vote. We do make a difference, and not a small one. But you’;d rather piss on us so that we do stay home in order to get “Republicans” that support Blue State values elected. That is self =-defeating. Righ tnow the GOP hoilds the majority of State Houses and governorships. Instead of looking down with contempt on the basethat produces that, we shoulod be looking on a way to capitalize on our local popularity. If we can take the majoritty of the State Houses, we should be able to take the Presidency. People are voting split tickets. We should explore the why of that, and address it. That is how you devise an election strategy that succeeds. Trying to co-opt the Democrats platform just guarantees that we’ll lose our popularity in all those states where we are currently dominant.


  22. 22 | September 16, 2013 9:31 am

    @ Speranza:

    Spot on!

    The attacks on Rand Paul this weekend are disgusting.. The Base is being manipulated once again by the Establishment who are not committed to winning. I am under no illusion Paul will ever be President, but his brand of Republicanism is the way of the future.


  23. 23 | September 16, 2013 9:33 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    We know that this happens. Why not do something about it?

    You are preaching to the choir here on Voting fraud. Something needs to be done about it.


  24. 24 | September 16, 2013 9:48 am

    @ mfhorn:

    The truth is that nobody knows how much real voter fraud that there is. We simply do not have the mechanisms to determine that. I think it is pitiful that Third World nations have a better handle on voter fraud than we do. If it were up to me, I’d have one day for voting, purple fingers or what not to help eliminate double voting, and so on. Absentee ballots would be tricky, because you do want to allow them, but you don’t want them to be any more of the vote than they absolutely need to be. For example, we want to allow soldiers to vote. We’ve done that since the Civil War. Still, overall soldiers and expatriots are goin gto be a small fraction of the votes.


  25. RIX
    25 | September 16, 2013 9:52 am

    Good morning. i have spent most of my life living in ground zero for voter fraud, the Chicgo Area.
    It is not that “They all do it”, it is a Democrat activity.
    I recall voter fraud being discussed openly & considered funny.
    This is a cemetary on the far South Side, Holy Seplechar. You could literally match names on head stones with active votes.


  26. 26 | September 16, 2013 9:55 am

    Chris Christie is in the lead for 2016.

    :-(


  27. 27 | September 16, 2013 10:03 am

    @ RIX:

    And that is a real problem. Vote fraud probably doesn’t carry the day in Chicago. It is probable that the Democrat would win regardless, though when it comes to the primary, it seems that the most corrupt campaign wins, so voter fraud probably does determine who the Democrat nominee will be. That is an impact on the vote as a whole. The Republicans missed a real oppertunity after the 2000 election to do what True The Vote wants done. There were enough voting irregularities to make the whole election questionable. The Republicans should have taken up the mantra “Let every legal vote count”. I think there was enough support in the general population to where some real reforms could have been enacted, and the Republicans had the HOuse, Senate, and Presidency, so they had the horsepower to make real change and chose not to do so. I am not overly ipressed with the caliber of the Republican leadership for the last two decades. They seem to never miss an oppertunity to do nothing. It is, as I have commented before, as though the Party Mandarins don’t care about winning elections. Coopting the Democrat agenda is not the way to win a national election. Given a choice between Democrats and Democrat-lite a lot of people simply won’t vote. In this previous election, Obama got 7 million fewer votes than he got in 2008, but Romney didn’t pick up most of thosae votes. They just didn’t vote for President or , presumably, at all. There is where we need to focus our attention. What would have brought those votes into the Republican column? If Romney could have done that, he’d be President today.


  28. 29 | September 16, 2013 10:05 am

    @ doriangrey:

    I’m going to do that as a main post and move this to headline.


  29. 30 | September 16, 2013 10:07 am

    @ Speranza:

    Can’t it be both?


  30. 31 | September 16, 2013 10:07 am

    @ Goldwaterite:

    It is way early, and there is actually a silver lining there. Both Ryan and Paul are strong second and third place. The two of them combined really dominates the discussion. Maybe Paul throws his support to Ryan? I really don’t want to see Christie get the nomination. I won’t vote for the man. I’ll vote in the State and local elections, and I’ll vote an otherwise straight Republican ticket, but I won’t pull the lever for Christie.


  31. Mars
    32 | September 16, 2013 10:09 am

    http://www.npr.org/2012/02/14/146827471/study-1-8-million-dead-people-still-registered-to-vote

    The number of illegal registrations is up to 24 million now, and this is from NPR not exactly a bastion of conservatism.

    There is plenty of evidence that O either did win by fraud, or he at least increased his lead and that was just a test run for what they plan on doing to your local elections.


  32. RIX
    33 | September 16, 2013 10:09 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Right, voter fraaud is not necessary to carry Chicago & Cook County.
    But it does impact the State of Illinoistotal votes.


  33. 34 | September 16, 2013 10:12 am

    New Thread.

    Mars, great research!


  34. Mars
    35 | September 16, 2013 10:12 am

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2957966/post

    Not that California would fall into our column any time soon, but here’s the 3 million figure I was looking for.

    And that’s in ONE STATE alone.


  35. 36 | September 16, 2013 10:13 am

    @ Mars:

    There is plenty of evidence that O either did win by fraud, or he at least increased his lead

    That is what I think, he padded his lead. Great research and I am moving this to special report so people can absorb the links.


  36. 37 | September 16, 2013 10:15 am

    @ Mars:

    Thanks for the link. 24 million is enough to radically change the outcome. If that number holds, then it is entirely possible that Obama won based on fraud, especially in places like Florida and Ohio where the vote was relatively close. And, no doubt, these people affect races down-ticket. It isn’t just the presidential vote that we need to look at. If they change who is on your town council they affect your life maybe more than if they change your congressional representative. And we know Al Franken is only a Senator because of voter fraud. That is really beyond question. That one Senator in a very close Senate. In fact, if the Republicans would have challenged Franken and won, Obama would have never had a filibuster-proof Senate. In that circumstance Snarlin’ Arlen Specter might very well have not changed his party, though he’d have still voted with the Democrats on everything. But the Republicans would have been able to filibuster ObamaCare. That difference is HUGE. The Republicans let themselves get scammed. I’ve never understood why.


  37. Mars
    38 | September 16, 2013 10:15 am

    I’m not going to post the links here, but there are lib blogs all over claiming that O actually won in a landslide, but his numbers were skewed down due to…..REPUBLICAN VOTER FRAUD.

    These same pieces of crap are claiming there was zero fraud committed in Ohio and Illinois even though people have now gone to jail for said fraud.


  38. Mars
    39 | September 16, 2013 10:16 am

    Oh and thanks to the Franken thing, there are articles now saying that MN has passed IL in voter fraud.


  39. 40 | September 16, 2013 10:18 am

    @ RIX:

    It gives the City of Chicago a bigger role in internal state politics. Chicago is so big that it is going to have an outsized impact no matter what, but if dead Democrats pad the votes by 100K votes, that maybe is enough to keep more conservative rural areas from getting the representation that they voted for. And it can make a huge impact in your governor and Senator races. Your governor currently is a Democrat, right? And as I’ve said, the Democrats believe that they benefit from voter fraud. If they thought the Republicans benefitted from it, they’d be screaming for Voter ID.


  40. Mars
    41 | September 16, 2013 10:21 am

    Here’s a few more greatest hits.

    http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA642.html

    Virginia: The Richmond Times Dispatch reported in early July that convicted felon Sheila Peterson was one of 40 people who have been charged with engaging in voter fraud. Ms. Peterson, along with career criminal Michael Harris and several other felons, was targeted in an investigation that led to prosecutions of the crime of targeting felons for registration heading into the 2008 presidential election.3

    Bonnie Nicholson, a felon living in Louisa County, was charged in mid-July with having used pre-printed forms from the leftist Voter Participation Center to register to vote, and then cast a ballot in the 2008 presidential election.4

    Texas: Testimony in the voting rights lawsuit Texas filed against U.S. Department of Justice efforts to block its voter ID program revealed that more than 50,000 dead people are registered to vote in Texas. The state can prove that at least 239 dead people voted in the May election — 213 of them in person. A state senator testified that his long-deceased grandfather is among those recorded as having voted.5

    The Texas State Attorney General’s office reported 50 election fraud convictions since 2002 and promises that prosecutions are ongoing.6

    Arkansas: In the spring of this year, a special prosecutor was appointed to handle a case involving allegations of voter fraud in Mississippi County in an election held in June of last year.7

    Kentucky: This year the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Kentucky brought a blockbuster voter fraud case involving drug dealers selling and exchanging marijuana and cocaine in order to manipulate the outcome of local elections.8 Kerry B. Harvey, the U.S. Attorney, has taken the lead on a number of recent federal prosecutions involving vote-buying schemes in the Eastern District. In the most recent case, drug dealers are accused of having spent nearly $400,000 buying votes at $50 apiece. In the last two years alone more than 20 public officials and others have either been convicted or pleaded guilty in various vote-buying schemes.9

    New York: Much of the state’s media has been tracking and reporting on the trials and plea deals of officials involved in a scheme to shut out the Working Families Party’s participation in the state’s primary by casting forged absentee ballots. Four defendants have already pleaded guilty including a City Clerk and a City Councilman.10

    Pennsylvania: In July of this year, Philadelphia city commissioner Al Schmidt released a report focused on 16 of the nearly 1700 polling sites in Philadelphia and found several instances of voter fraud, including “double voting,” voter impersonation and voting by non-citizens.11 The report also documented 23 cases of people being allowed to vote despite not even being registered.12 One polling site recorded 6 more votes than the actual number of registered voters in the district and there were multiple instances of people voting in legislative districts where they didn’t reside.13


  41. 42 | September 16, 2013 10:22 am

    @ Mars:

    Great research must have taken you hours.


  42. 43 | September 16, 2013 10:23 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    If that number holds, then it is entirely possible that Obama won based on fraud,

    Been trying to tell ya that for years now… :lol: :lol: :lol:


  43. Mars
    44 | September 16, 2013 10:23 am

    Oh, and by the way, Accuracy in Media predicted this all the way back in May of last year.

    http://www.aim.org/special-report/the-lefts-national-vote-fraud-strategy-exposed/

    1. Swamp election officials with overwhelming numbers of registrations at the last possible minute, a huge proportion of which are deliberately fraudulent, in order to create systematic chaos. This accomplishes numerous goals:

    Makes verification of registrations difficult, given the small size and limited budgets of state and local election offices.
    Provides multiple opportunities for vote fraud.
    Throws the entire voting process into question, providing pretext for lawsuits where concessions may be obtained from election officials.
    When election officials challenge registrations, they are accused of “voter suppression.” This in turn serves complementary goals:
    Charge of “voter suppression” reinforces the Left’s narrative about America as an oppressive, “racist” country.
    Publicity and lawsuits intimidate election officials, who settle on terms favorable to the Left.

    2. Activists sue state authorities for “voter suppression,” creating further chaos and pressuring them to become de facto taxpayer-funded voter registration operations;

    3. Eric Holder’s Justice Department tacitly supports voter intimidation tactics, sues states and backs private lawsuits, and resists reform as “voter suppression.”

    4. Leftist echo chamber discredits allegations of vote fraud, supports “suppression” theme, and promotes advantageous legislation.

    The ultimate goal is a systematized, taxpayer-funded voting machinery that will guarantee maximum participation from the Left’s voting demographic while undermining the ability to manage elections and prevent fraud.


  44. Mars
    45 | September 16, 2013 10:24 am

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Great research must have taken you hours.

    Months actually. A lot of the info I had right after the election has actually disappeared off the web. Dead links as far as the eye can see, even the cached pages have been flushed.


  45. RIX
    46 | September 16, 2013 10:25 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Yeh, Pat Quinn a Democrat is the Illinois Governor.
    All the polls had him losing to Republican Bill Brady.
    But on Election Day voila! How did that happen?/


  46. Mars
    47 | September 16, 2013 10:26 am

    Oh and from the article at AIM, there this little nugget.

    Guess who worked directly for the largest organization engaging in this vote fraud?

    Barack Obama established his organizing bona fides with Project Vote in 1992, when he registered 150,000 Illinois voters.

    Zach Polett (courtesy Anita MonCrief)

    Project Vote was created and run for years by Zach Polett, who bragged that he trained Barack Obama in 1992 and said of Obama, “ACORN produces leaders.” Polett is listed in Manta.com as president of Voting for America, one of Project Vote’s former names, although his name is not on Project Vote’s website. Calls to that listing roll into a voice mail identifying the organizations as “CSI.” Polett’s extension is #3. CSI is the acronym for Citizens Services Inc., another supposedly defunct ACORN group that was used to hide over $800,000 paid by candidate Obama to ACORN in 2008.

    This kind of duplicitous activity reflects a deliberate methodology. ACORN is a criminal organization.

    Yes as part of his “Community Organizing” O was a vote getter for Project Vote.


  47. Mars
    48 | September 16, 2013 10:29 am

    And who helped these groups when they came under scrutiny this last year? Holder and the DOJ. Yes, the Department of Just US strikes again.

    DOJ and ACORN Team Up for 2012

    Judicial Watch obtained several documents showing coordination between DOJ, Project Vote and the White House.[i] In one email, Project Vote demanded action on NVRA cases. Less than a month later, DOJ sued Rhode Island for NVRA noncompliance. Similarly, DOJ’s Louisiana NVRA suit followed Project Vote’s by a few months. Project Vote is promoting prospective employees for DOJ’s Voting Rights section.

    Voting Rights Act of 1965

    The VRA outlawed poll taxes and literacy tests for voting. Section 5 requires certain states and other political subdivisions to obtain “preclearance,” or permission, from either DOJ or the U.S. District Court in Washington, DC, on any change affecting voting. Currently, preclearance states covered in whole or in part include: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, New Hampshire, New York, North Carolina, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas and Virginia. Set in 1982 to expire in 2007, Congress extended the VRA for another 25 years in 2006.

    The VRA has come into sharp focus this year as the Holder administration has used VRA preclearance requirements to stall or prevent voter ID laws from being enacted. Non-preclearance states have faced stiff court challenges from other leftist groups.

    Alabama – Alabama’s new photo ID law has a 2014 effective date. Alabama has not yet applied for pre-clearance.

    Arizona – 9th Circuit upheld ID requirement of new law; struck requirement that voter prove citizenship.

    Mississippi – A Voter ID amendment was approved by voters with a 62 percent margin in 2011. A bill to implement the amendment passed April 10, 2012. Requires preclearance. No word yet from Justice.

    South Carolina – DOJ denied pre-clearance for new ID law in December 2011. State filed for reconsideration.

    Texas – DOJ denied pre-clearance for new ID law. Texas filed suit with three-judge panel seeking pre-clearance; DOJ asked court to postpone trial.

    Wisconsin – State judge ruled Wisconsin’s voter ID law unconstitutional (read the opinion). State will appeal.

    The Wisconsin case is an example of independent groups working to sabotage reform efforts. In a suit brought by the League of Women Voters, the NAACP and others, the judge found ID laws “unconstitutional to the extent they serve as a condition for voting at the polls.” This was a bizarre ruling. Wisconsin’s Constitution clearly allows mechanisms to establish voter eligibility.

    Despite the Left’s best efforts, voter ID laws have been proposed this year in 32 states.


  48. Mars
    49 | September 16, 2013 10:29 am

    DOJ is engaged in a massive campaign to force states to… become aggressive voter registration offices…
    DOJ announced they would not enforce Section 8 because it won’t increase turnout.
    States are infested with dead voters on the rolls.
    Investigations into eight states with widespread voter roll problems… were spiked
    Because of Motor Voter, voter rolls in many states seeing influx of illegal aliens.
    Data show that illegal aliens are participating in American elections.
    DOJ is using [VRA] Sec. 5 to stop voter integrity initiatives.
    Every one of Holder’s 113 new attorney hires is a far-left radical.


  49. Mars
    50 | September 16, 2013 10:31 am

    A Textbook Case: Houston Votes

    In July 2010, a newly-formed voter registration group named Houston Votes (HV) announced it intended to register 100,000 Houston, Texas area voters in a few months. Catherine Engelbrecht, Leader of True the Vote (TTV) and King Street Patriots (KSP), was skeptical. Her group checked about 1,000 HV registrations. The number of erroneous registrations submitted by HV and Democracia—a group targeting unregistered Hispanics—was, she said, “off the charts.”

    They brought their results to Harris County Registrar, Leo Vasquez, who reviewed HV registrations. He found that of 25,640 submitted, only 7,193 were “apparently new voters.” On August 24, Vasquez held an unprecedented press conference, announcing:

    Evidence shows that the Houston Votes and Texans Together organization is conspiring in a pattern of falsification of government documents, suborning of perjury and a deliberate effort to over-burden our processing system with thousands of duplicate and incomplete voter registration applications.

    He raised concerns that HV was, like ACORN, paying employees based on the number of applications they turned in, and cited specific examples of problematic registrations:

    3,531 No match for SSN or driver’s license number

    1,597 Multiple apps for the same person

    1,014 Pre-existing voters

    1,030 Incomplete apps

    25 Non-citizens

    325 Minors

    129 Ineligible felons

    1,133 No ID

    1,323 Filed past deadline

    Three days later, a massive warehouse fire destroyed Harris County’s 10,000 voting machines. The fire’s timing bred suspicions, fed almost exclusively by the Left, which sought through innuendo to implicate KSP. A Huffington Post headline two days later was typical: “Possible Arson and the Right’s Texas Voter Suppression Effort.” This theme was repeated ad nauseam in the liberal media echo chamber. The Houston Fire Department later cited “an unspecified electrical short” as the cause, an explanation that satisfied no one.[iv]

    Even Texas isn’t immune.


  50. Mars
    51 | September 16, 2013 10:32 am

    HV held a press conference the day of the fire, calling Vasquez’s allegations “reckless and false” and “an apparently coordinated, partisan effort to suppress voter registration and to intimidate citizens into not voting…” They demanded the Justice Department investigate.

    HV dismissed mistakes with the familiar ACORN refrain, blaming a few low-level employees who were fired when errors were discovered. However, Vasquez specifically cited 180 erroneous registrations turned in by Directors Sean Caddle and Neil Hudelson—more errors than usually submitted in total by traditional voter registration drives.

    HV boasted their group was “non-partisan” but an attentive blogger quickly proved otherwise. One of the people training volunteers for Houston Votes was Maria Isabel, an Obama operative made famous by the photo of her office sporting a poster of Che Guevara.

    BarackObama.com advertised HV’s “volunteer” deputy training. Participating groups included, Atascocita Texas for Obama, Houston For Obama, Houston Obama Leadership Team, Houston Women For Obama, and other similar groups.

    HV Directors Hudelson and Caddle were quickly discovered to be long-time Democratic activists. At last notice they had returned to Caddle’s home state of New Jersey, working for Democratic Jersey City Council-at-Large candidate Sue Mack. She lost.

    A little more digging revealed Houston Votes to be part of America Votes, a Soros-funded organization tied to ACORN, SEIU, and a universe of other leftwing groups.

    America Votes specifically targeted Texas in its 2010 Redistricting Control Project. With 38 electoral votes, Texas is only exceeded by California’s 55. Latinos are the fastest growing ethnic group in Texas, not coincidentally home to the second largest illegal immigrant population in the U.S.

    One quarter of Texans reside in the Houston metropolitan region and there are 25 state house seats in Harris County. Prior to the 2010 elections, Republicans held a slim majority of three seats in the Texas House. Winning in Houston had the potential to flip the House, giving Democrats control over redistricting. They wanted to “turn Texas blue.”

    The Advisory Board of HV’s parent organization, Texans Together Education Fund, included a number of prominent left-wing Democrats. One was Grande Dame of Texas politics, Sissy Farenthold, who worked with the radical left Institute for Policy Studies in the 1980s. Another was Democrat Kristi Thibaut, a state legislator trying to hold her District 133 seat. She had worked for ACORN and was under investigation by the Texas Ethics Commission. Yet another was Sue Schechter, running for Harris County Clerk. Not only was HV extremely partisan, but plainly the Texas arm of Soros’s project.

    America Votes failed in 2010. Republican control of the Texas state house increased by 44 seats in a nationwide sweep that brought Republican control to statehouses not seen since 1928. America Votes is targeting Florida, Michigan, New Hampshire, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin in 2012.

    But the Left still wasn’t finished in Texas. The Texas Democratic Party sued the Harris County Registrar’s office, the Registrar and other employees.

    U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee illegally campaigning at Houston poll during early voting in 2010. Credit: Warner Todd Huston

    Harris County had settled another suit with the Democrats in 2008 stemming from 67,554 rejected applications, mostly submitted by ACORN. Democrats had charged “voter suppression” then too, over registrations rejected for incomplete or inaccurate information—the kind ACORN excels at.
    Because Texas is a preclearance state, redistricting maps must be approved. This year’s maps were challenged in court by Latino groups. This delayed the primary, neutralizing any impact Texas may have had on the Republican presidential primary process.


  51. Mars
    52 | September 16, 2013 10:36 am

    True the Vote and the Wisconsin Recall

    Union groups used the swarming method earlier this year in a recall petition of Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker. They reportedly submitted one million petitions, needing only 540,208. The Democrat-controlled Government Accountability Board (GAB), responsible for verifying petitions, flatly refused to do so.

    In an astonishing, heroic effort, True the Vote joined an effort called Verify the Recall and developed a method to verify recall petitions online. They built a nationwide network of 14,000 volunteers almost overnight, who checked 92 percent of the petitions in 22 days. The findings were stunning:

    819,233 records (not 1 million)

    534,685 verified legitimate (65 percent)

    In addition to numerous bogus “Donald Duck” petitions, signers included:

    29 Wisconsin judges—one who later issued a restraining order against Walker’s Voter ID law.
    A deputy DA, 19 attorneys and dozens of other DA employees. Some had been working on a heavily criticized “secret” John Doe investigation of Governor Walker at the time.
    25 Gannett News journalists
    Several members of WTMJ-4 news staff
    School board members
    Four University of Wisconsin regents and the university’s chief spokesman.
    A Democratic activist charged with seven felony ID theft counts and two of felony vote fraud. He signed up family members and neighbors, including a deceased man, without their knowledge or consent.

    The GAB refused to consider VTR’s work and certified 900,000 petitions, but it was clear that Walker opponents had committed extensive vote fraud. The fraud would have gone undetected if not for the work of TTV.”

    When 35% of petitions in a local recall are fraudulent how can you have a true Republic?


  52. Mars
    53 | September 16, 2013 10:38 am

    And what is the endgame here? All while claiming that voter fraud doesn’t exist, the left already had developed “solutions” to help. (Once they cries of “disenfranchisement” get loud enough they will swoop in with one of their “solutions”.)

    Leftwing “Reform” Efforts

    Universal Voter Registration (UVR)

    Cloward and Piven saw the NVRA as an intermediate goal. They made that clear in their book. The flurry of lawsuits and systemic fraud generated by the NVRA all build momentum to find a permanent solution. And the Left had the answer before they started: Universal Voter Registration.

    UVR calls for automatically registering voters listed on various state and federal databases. Leftist groups argue it will solve all voter registration problems, but the left created most of them. UVR would create more:

    UVR undermines the Constitution.
    UVR facilitates illegal alien voting
    Homeowners with more than one property create duplicates.
    The many state & federal lists will create duplicates
    Because so many lists exist with little or no cross-checking these duplicates are likely to go uncorrected.

    UVR would institutionalize the crisis strategy, and provide countless opportunities for vote fraud.

    National Popular Vote

    The National Popular Vote bill seeks to effectively abolish the Electoral College by enacting state laws that give all electors from those states that have passed the bill to the winner of the national popular vote. Direct elections would become universal when enough state legislatures have passed legislation to make up a majority of the electoral vote (270 of 538). Eight states and the District of Columbus, totaling 132 electoral votes, have passed NPV laws. The Electoral College was created to ensure that less populous states would not be overlooked in presidential elections. If successful, this effort will make vast swaths of our nation completely irrelevant to presidential candidates, as they would then focus all their efforts on large population centers.

    Felon Voting

    Project Vote disingenuously argues that rights should be restored to former felons. Almost every state has provisions to restore voting rights to former felons. ProCon.org claims about 5.2 million felons are “disenfranchised.” But only current prisoners have no recourse—about 1.4 million. They exaggerate the problem for unclear reasons. The “wise Latina,” Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor, favors felon voting.

    Same Day Voting

    Same-day voter registration in Ohio led to ACORN’s permanent expulsion from that state. Then-Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, an alumna of George Soros’s Secretary of State Project (see below), announced a “Golden Week” for same day registration and voting. ACORN submitted thousands of bogus registrations, including the notorious case where one man was paid to register 73 times.

    Former Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold proposed a nationwide same-day voting law in 2009, but his state’s experience with it has been disastrous. An investigation into the 2004 elections by the Milwaukee Police concluded the only way to prevent widespread fraud is to discontinue same-day voting. A 2011 study found errors in one-third of same-day voter registrations in Milwaukee County.

    Nine states currently have same day voting laws.

    Secretary of State Project

    The Soros funded Secretary of State Project seeks to elect leftist Democrats to that critical post. SoS Project-backed Minnesota Secretary of State Mark Ritchie demonstrated the value of this program when comedian Al Franken eked out a victory in his 2008 U.S. Senate race amidst numerous, well-documented allegations of vote fraud.

    The SoS Project did poorly in 2010, however. Ritchie was one of only two SoS-backed candidates to survive the Republican tidal wave.

    The project’s website, secstateproject.org, is no longer operational. There is a Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/secstateproject. It does not appear to get much traffic. This may reflect a temporary lull in activity, or Soros and his minions have moved to more promising initiatives.


  53. 54 | September 16, 2013 10:55 am

    Mars wrote:

    The Wisconsin case is an example of independent groups working to sabotage reform efforts. In a suit brought by the League of Women Voters, the NAACP and others, the judge found ID laws “unconstitutional to the extent they serve as a condition for voting at the polls.”

    And we know from the California gay marriage case that these groups wouldn’t have had standing to bring a suit if they’d been on the politically incorrect side of the balance. Being a citizen of the State you vote in is a prerequisite for a legal vote. I don’t think DOJ would have approved me getting together with a couple of hundred thousand of my closest friends here in Tennessee (Romney by 59% of the vote) and driven to Ohio to vote for Romney there. The same DOJ that turns a blind eye to groups bringing people for Illinois in by the busload to vote for the Democrat. I really have no confidence in our system of voting right now. There are too many ways to scam it. They mostly rely on voters to respect the laws, and when they don’t they almost never catch them.


  54. 55 | September 16, 2013 10:59 am

    Mars wrote:

    Felon Voting
    Project Vote disingenuously argues that rights should be restored to former felons. Almost every state has provisions to restore voting rights to former felons. ProCon.org claims about 5.2 million felons are “disenfranchised.” But only current prisoners have no recourse—about 1.4 million. They exaggerate the problem for unclear reasons. The “wise Latina,” Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor, favors felon voting.

    You can vote (a privilege in a Republic), but you can’t buy a gun (a natural right recognized by the Bill of Rights). What’s wrong with this picture? At a bare minimum I’d say that everyone who has a right to vote has a right to a gun. Period. Doing something whey you are 18 and stupid shouldn’t be a permanent ban on you rights, unless you are a danger to society (in which case you need to be in prison). Obviously criminals who are incarcerated lose their Second Amendment rights while they are incarcerated, but who really cares if Martha Stewart buys a gun?


  55. darkwords
    56 | September 17, 2013 12:50 pm

    But the League of Women voters insists no fraud has ever been found.

    The GoP way to manage this should be to conflate voter fraud and voter suppression as both equally bad. They are letting the left define this issue as usual. The GoP Alinsky would be out there being loud mouthed and aggressive about both issues. Making people think above all the noise.


  56. darkwords
    57 | September 17, 2013 12:53 pm

    I’m ok if felons can vote and own guns once off probation. Make them citizens again. Or keep them in jail if they are still a risk? Today the legal system will felonize a person for eating crackers in bed if they can. A felony doesn’t mean what it used to. An unpaid parking ticket will make you a felon in some places. The left has no boundaries, they consider your house an extension of their toilet.


  57. darkwords
    58 | September 17, 2013 12:56 pm

    @ 53 Mars: Same day voting is bad. I value the work required to register and show up at the polls and pull a lever. I dislike the electronic color the dots. The last two times I was in a line at the poll there were people ahead of me who were talking about having voted twice to ensure they get counted. Once at the poll and once via mail. The trouble with the election is that the mailins only get examined if the election is close. If enough people do it they swing the election and aren’t checked.


  58. darkwords
    59 | September 17, 2013 1:02 pm

    And—with the exception of the still-sycophantic Obama-media who enthusiastically embrace totalitarianism—said “win” by Obama shows how quickly he and the Marxist Democrat Party (with the help of willing RINO Senators and incorrectly named “representatives” of the people) affected the complete overthrow of the United States government…and We-the-People. -- See more at:

    While I agree with this sentiment it does make me think the content that follows will have no real facts and no real point. I need more nuance. But I’m not a regular person so maybe this is just what the doctor ordered.


  59. darkwords
    60 | September 17, 2013 1:07 pm

    I imagine the double voting was huge. There was more opportunity to do so in this election. With absentee ballots and polls both running.

    It would seem like a scouring of Ohio and dedicated prosecution of the double voters in that state would at least send a strong message. Maybe Ohio would have to build a new prison just for the people who voted twice.

    If I was a conservative governor of that state I would be suggesting just that. I would get my arguments prepped and put it in the budget and make people debate it. I would deliver a message about the integrity of a vote. I would ask people via commercials to make a commitment to make this great country well. And bear your responsibility well or go home and let some solider carry your weight for you.


  60. 61 | September 17, 2013 1:11 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Yeah, the rhetoric there is a little strong. I generally agree with the sentiment. I think it is obvious that a majority of our representatives and Senators care only about re-election, not the Constitution or the principles behind it. I don’t know what you do about that, because these people keep winning even after they piss all over their voters. Look at John McCain. He ran to the right of Attilla the Hun in his primary, but once he’d secured the nomination he went right back to the “Maverick” position of always votin gwith the Democrats. Yet I have no doubt if he runs for re-election in 2016 or whenever, he’d win.


  61. jkoolpe
    62 | September 17, 2013 6:20 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    My wife’s workplace (a very prominent health care facility) at which she has been a loyal employee for about 14 years now sent letters to all employees last week asking them to take “voluntary severance” packages, and the letter clearly states that this is in direct response to Obamacare.

    The letter also states that the hope is for at least 200 employees to take the deal so that further (yes, I said further) layoffs can be avoided. The CEO has also stated that these previous layoffs were due to O-care, too.

    The entire facility is up in arms as you can imagine, and the effect on the working environment there has been severely detrimental as you can imagine. Once this facility prided itself on treating its workers fairly and well, but once again, thanks to O-care, such good qualities that would and should be the envy of any company will go the way of the Dodo…

    BTW, when I mentioned this to an Obama-bot family member who thinks O-care is the best thing to happen since sliced bread and the invention of the wheel, all she could muster was an emphatic “Don’t go there” and “I won’t discuss this with you and will hang up if you continue” response. So typical…is your position so weak that you can offer no defense?


  62. 63 | September 17, 2013 7:05 pm

    jkoolpe wrote:

    is your position so weak that you can offer no defense?

    Short answer is “Yes”. ObamaCare is going to wreck the healthcare industry. Both my wife and myself work in the healthcare field, me as a programmer, her as as a technical writer. We are worried about what the future holds for us. Aready we’ve been hurt by this as my wife is workng as a contract employee. The company she works for wanted to offer her a permanent job six months ago, but they are having to hold off until they see what exactly ObamaCare will affect her company. We are definately nervous. If her contract were to close down right now we’d be in a world of hurt.


  63. Bumr50
    64 | September 17, 2013 8:52 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    My brother is working as a contractor for American Eagle Outfitters as an IT administrator through Robert Haff.

    NO ONE is taking on employees, and the distribution center that he works at, a bustling facility, is closing all of a sudden.

    They’re a PGH. based company, and will keep their HQ here, but no longer will be distributing anywhere in the vicinity.


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