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Golda Meir and the Yom Kippur War

by Speranza ( 105 Comments › )
Filed under History at September 18th, 2013 - 12:00 pm

Despite knowing virtually nothing about military affairs (she was not even sure what an Army division entailed), Golda Meir possessed a great deal of courage and common sense. The wildly overrated  and lamentable Moshe Dayan (a legend in his own mind) would have fit in well with the French Army in 1940 with his defeatism.

by Abraham Rabinovich

She had been sleeping poorly for several nights but this morning she was wakened into her nightmare – a ringing telephone at 3:45 a.m. on Yom Kippur.

It was her military aide, Gen. Yisrael Lior, passing on a message from Mossad chief Zvi Zamir who had just met in London with his most valued source. War, said Lior. This day, before dark.

 For all her toughness and experience, Golda Meir had never imagined leading her nation into war. “What do we do now, Yisrael?” she asked.

The threat had been in the air since the Egyptians began moving large forces into the Suez Canal zone a week before. Military Intelligence Chief Eli Zeira assured her and the general staff that it was only a military exercise. She remained uneasy but didn’t challenge a roomful of generals who were counseling calm.

She had been confident since the Six Day War that Israel’s geopolitical situation had never been better and that the Arabs, who still refused to recognize Israel, would eventually bow to reality. In December 1970, she rejected a proposal by Defense Minister Moshe Dayan that Israel pull back 20 miles from the canal in order to enable its reopening and thereby reduce Egypt’s motivation for going to war.

Prime minister Golda Meir and Cabinet members visiting the southern command, October 29, 1973 (Photo Credit: GPO/Yehuda Tzion)

Two months later, the new Egyptian president, Anwar Sadat, reshaped Dayan’s proposal and adopted it as his own. In an address to the Egyptian National Assembly he proposed a partial Israeli pullback. He saw it, however, as a means of catalyzing, not indefinitely postponing, a final withdrawal from Sinai. Sadat startled his listeners by declaring his readiness for peace but only if Israel agreed to withdraw from all territory captured in 1967, including East Jerusalem, and resolving the Palestinian refugee problem. Meir was content to wait indefinitely — without conciliatory gestures, as the Americans urged — until Egypt was prepared to meet her demands: border changes and recognition of Israel.

Now, on Yom Kippur morning, 1973, she faced the consequences of that stand.

Golda Meir (photo credit: Wikimedia Commons)

She had spent the night not in her official Jerusalem residence but in her Tel Aviv apartment. She was in her office in the government compound in Tel Aviv when Dayan asked for a meeting of advisers at 7 a.m. The meeting was delayed while the chief of staff, Gen. David Elazar, set the military machine in motion. He and Dayan argued over two vital steps before going to see her. Elazar wanted a preemptive air strike against the Syrian army, which was closer to the Israeli heartland than the Egyptian army, and full mobilization of the reserves. Dayan was dubious about the Mossad’s war warning – there had been similar warnings before from the same source which proved false alarms, he noted. He opposed a preemptive strike and favored only limited mobilization since full mobilization in the absence of fighting could itself be taken as an act of war.

At 8:05 a.m., the two veteran warhorses took their dispute to Meir, a 75-year-old grandmother who did not even know what an army division was. The prime minister smoked cigarette after cigarette as they made their cases. The officers and advisers present squinted from the acrid smoke filling the room. She hemmed uncertainly for a few moments but then made a clear decision. Yes on mobilization. No on a preemptive strike. The Americans opposed Israel making a habit of preemptive strikes and Israel might soon be needing American political and logistical assistance. (As it happened, cloud conditions over Syria would have prevented a preemptive strike. In addition, as the air force would soon discover, it was unable to penetrate the Arabs’ anti-aircraft missile defenses.)

Moshe Dayan, June 1981. (photo credit: Moshe Shai/Flash90)

Meir made one decision as a grandmother rather than as a prime minister. Dayan suggested that children be brought down from the kibbutzim on the Golan Heights before the fighting started. He said that buses would bring them down in the late afternoon under the pretense of taking them on an outing. If the war warning had dissipated by then, the trip would be canceled and they would be spared an outcry from the religious sector at the government organizing an excursion on Yom Kippur. According to the Mossad’s agent, the Arab attack would not come before sundown. Meir overruled Dayan. The children must be brought down this morning, she said. The Arabs, in fact, had made a last-minute change in zero hour, moving it up to 2 p.m. when a massive barrage would descend on the Golan Heights.

All her decisions had been sound and they would remain so for the duration of the war. Common sense and political savvy would serve her well in the unfamiliar terrain of military matters. She would leave the running of the war to others but her input would periodically be required.

Israeli troops rushing up to the northern frontier with the outbreak of the war, October 7, 1973 (Photo Credit: GPO/Eitan Harris)

As soon as the meeting was over at 9:30 a.m. and the signal given to begin mobilizing the reserves, Meir met with American ambassador Kenneth Keating and his assistant, Nicholas Veliotes, whom she had urgently summoned. The diplomats were stunned when she said Israel expected to be attacked on two fronts that day. They had been assured by CIA reports and the Israelis themselves only a few days before that there was no danger of war. Meir assured them that Israel would not strike first. If the Arab moves were dictated by a misreading of Israeli intentions, she said, Washington should assure them that Israel had no intention of attacking. Keating asked whether it was certain that Israel would not preempt. “You can be sure,” she repeated. In his report to Washington, the ambassador quoted Meir as saying “We might be in trouble.”

Waiting outside the prime minister’s office when Keating emerged, looking pale, was Israel’s ambassador to Washington, Simha Dinitz. He had arrived a few days before for the funeral of his father. “You’ve got to return to Washington immediately,” Meir said when he entered. Whatever was about to happen, the US was a critical anchor and Dinitz, a former director of the Prime Minister’s Office, was a channel she could rely on. [........]

[........]

At 12:30 p.m., Meir met with the cabinet, all except the religious ministers who had not come down from Jerusalem. She was pale and her eyes were downcast as she walked slowly to her chair at the head of the table. Her hair, normally neatly combed and pulled back, was disheveled and she looked like she had not shut her eyes all night. For the first time, her ministers saw an old woman sitting in the prime minister’s chair, slightly bent. She lit a cigarette, leafed briefly through a pile of papers in front of her, and declared the meeting open.

She began with a detailed report of events over the past few days — the Arab deployment on the borders that had suddenly taken on ominous color, the hasty evacuation of the families of Soviet advisers from Egypt and Syria, the air photos, the insistence by military intelligence that there would be no war despite mounting evidence to the contrary. [.........] She spoke in a monotone, sounding like a judge reading out a sentence. Then she reached the bottom line. In the early hours of this morning, word had been received from an unimpeachable source that war would break out at 6 p.m. this day on both the Egyptian and Syrian fronts.

The ministers were stunned. They had not been made privy to the Arab buildup. Furthermore, they had been told for years that even in a worst-case situation military intelligence would provide at least a 48-hour warning to call up the reserves before war broke out. Now they were told that a two-front war was less than six hours away with the reserves, constituting two-thirds of the army, still unmobilized.

Meir asked Dayan to describe the situation along the two fronts. Despite her depressed look, her voice had been firm. But there appeared to be a tremor in Dayan’s voice. He looked like a man whose certainties had suddenly crumbled. As he neared the end of his review, an aide entered and handed him a note. The defense minister announced that Egyptian planes were attacking in Sinai. Even as Meir declared the meeting closed, sirens began to wail in the streets outside.

Dayan, for long Israel’s icon, was unnerved by the situation Israel now found itself in. Military intelligence had what was supposed to be a fail-safe system that would let it know if the Arabs planned to attack in ample time to mobilize the reserves. It had failed to activate the system because premature activation risked its exposure and Gen. Zeira, despite all the evidence, did not believe the Arabs would dare attack. For two days or so, Dayan suffered a failure of nerve and spread despondency among his peers by warning that Israel faced destruction. When he spoke to the inner cabinet after returning from flying visits to both fronts Sunday morning Meir, who had dark thoughts enough of her own, listened to him “in horror,” as she would write. She would acknowledge that she had thoughts of suicide.

[.........]

[........] Kedar would remember the prime minister leaning heavily against the wall and saying in a low and terrible voice, “Dayan is speaking of surrender.”

If Dayan had used that word, it is inconceivable that he used it in the conventional sense and none of the many other people who had been in the room would ever suggest he did. But he had spoken of surrendering territory — pulling back from the Bar-Lev Line — and of his belief that it would be impossible to force the Egyptians back across the canal. When Meir asked what his reaction would be if the UN ordered a ceasefire, he said he would grab it. He offered his resignation but she rejected it.

Meir stared hollowly at Kedar, her mind elsewhere.  [.........] Through Ambassador Dinitz she would begin to pressure the American administration for arms. Many excruciating days still lay ahead, but psychologically the prime minister had touched bottom and begun to regain her balance.

The previous spring, at a meeting in her Jerusalem home with her top military and civilian advisers to discuss indications of a possible Arab attack, Meir said that if war appeared likely Washington should be asked to head it off. Her closest adviser, minister Yisrael Galili, reminded her of the meeting between Henry Kissinger and Hafez Ismail, Sadat’s national security adviser, which the Americans had informed them about. Ismail had declared Egypt’s willingness to make peace in return for a complete Israeli pullback. Galili later returned to this theme, as if fearing that his previous remark may have been too oblique.  [........]

Meir, however, declined to pursue it. She was against war but she was also against total withdrawal. “Neither war nor threat of war” would divert Israel from its insistence on defensible borders, she said. Defensible borders “by their very existence will dissuade our neighbors from touching us.” Her position embraced the premise that the Arabs had no viable war option. This had now been proven wrong.

An officer distributing mail from home to soldiers in one of the forward positions on Mount Hermon, October 11, 1973 (Photo Credit: GPO/Eitan Harris)

On the fourth day of the war, Dayan, who had by now returned to himself, proposed that all efforts be made to knock Syria out of the war, including the bombing of Damascus, so that the army could concentrate on the Egyptian front. Meir objected to bombing Damascus. If civilians were hurt, she said, the Americans might hold up arms shipment. But when she put the question to Galili he said “We have to do it.” It was pointed out that the Syrians had fired Frog missiles which caused casualties in Kibbutz Gvat and the town of Migdal Haemek, justifying an attack on Syrian urban areas. She finally gave her assent to the attack as long as it was confined to military targets.

By that afternoon, the last Syrian troops were driven from the Golan Heights in a remarkable drive by the Israeli tank corps. The policy makers now faced one of the most important decisions of the war — to cross the ceasefire line and drive towards Damascus or to dig on again along the line and send a division to the southern front to help drive the Egyptians back across the canal. The final decision would be Meir’s. Although she did not presume to understand military strategy she well understood political strategy. It would take four days, she was told, to move substantial forces to the southern front. During that period, there was a chance the UN might order a ceasefire. [.........] She came down firmly for an immediate attack into Syria.

She did commit one potentially serious tactical error on the tenth day of the war. Finding a gap in the Egyptian lines, General Ariel Sharon had put a tank force across the canal on motorized rafts. It was supposed to protect the site where a pontoon bridge would be thrown across but its presence was kept secret lest the Egyptians attack it with a nearby armored division. Unaware of the secrecy, Meir could not contain herself after all the grim news she had digested until now. “As we convene,” she said from the Knesset podium, “an IDF task force is operating on the west bank of the Suez Canal.”

Fortunately for Israel, Sadat dismissed her statement as “psychological warfare.”

[........]

In the third week of the war, secretary of state Kissinger stopped off briefly in Tel Aviv on his way back from Moscow where he had been hammering out the terms of a Middle East ceasefire with Kremlin leaders. When he asked Meir if she thought Sadat would survive the military setbacks of the final days, she said he would. “He is the hero. He dared.”

Kissinger told Dayan that Israel had been wise not to preempt. If it had, Dayan would recall him saying, it would not have received so much as a nail from the U.S.

Before flying to Washington at the end of the war, the prime minister made a visit to the southern front to talk to the troops. “How could we have been so unready?” asked one soldier of Meir who sat on a chair between Dayan and Elazar. She was not an expert on military matters, she said, and relied in this area on the two men alongside her. This infuriated a battalion commander who shouted, “Because you don’t understand these things I lost 48 men?”  [........]

The strain of the war was imprinted on Meir when she arrived in Washington. “The war had devastated her,” Kissinger would write.

After returning home, she received a note passed on to her by Kissinger. It was from Sadat. “You must take my word seriously,” it said. “When I threatened war, I meant it. When I talk of peace now, I mean it. We have the services of Dr. Kissinger. Let us use him and talk to each other through him.”

Her first reaction was “Why is he doing this?” but she recovered quickly. In a note she sent Sadat via Kissinger, she wrote, “I am deeply conscious of the significance of a message received by the prime minister of Israel from the president of Egypt. I sincerely hope that these contacts will continue and prove to be an important turning point in our relations.”

Haim Bar-Lev (Center L) consults with Ariel Sharon (with bandage) and Moshe Dayan (cap) during the Yom Kippur War. (Photo credit: GPO/ Flash 90)

In a talk to the Labor Party Central Committee a month after the war she expressed contrition for the first time publicly at having rejected Dayan’s proposal three years earlier. “I didn’t understand what he was talking about,” she confessed. “We should just propose pulling back from the canal?” She did not elaborate but the implications were enormous. Had she understood that the Bar-Lev Line was a death trap as Ariel Sharon and other generals contended, the war would have taken a very different course, if it had broken out at all.

Elections to the Knesset, postponed from October because of the war, were held on December 31. It was too soon for voting patterns to have changed and Meir was reelected, albeit with five fewer seats. She asked Dayan to stay on as defense minister. Three months later, the Agranat Commission of Inquiry issued its interim findings calling for the resignation of Elazar, Zeira and other officers. It absolved Meir and Dayan, a finding which touched off widespread public protests, including mass demonstrations. A week later, Meir, weary and attuned to public sentiment, announced that she was stepping down, obliging new elections.

Golda Meir and Anwar Sadat (photo credit: Courtesy)

She reappeared on the Knesset podium in November 1977 as a special guest when Sadat made his historic visit to Jerusalem. Responding to his address to the Knesset, Meir expressed her hope from the podium that “even an old lady like myself” will live to see peace between the countries (still two years off). “Yes, yes, you always call me an old lady.” A photograph of them sharing a hearty laugh would come to be seen as more evocative of the potential of peace than any treaty.

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  1. 1 | September 18, 2013 12:31 pm

    Great thread, Speranza ~ Thank you!

    We don’t thrive on military acts. We do them because we have to, and thank God we are efficient.
    -Golda Meir


  2. Speranza
    2 | September 18, 2013 12:37 pm

    mskelly wrote:

    Great thread, Speranza ~ Thank you!

    Thank you Ms. K. I still enjoy finding good threads to do.


  3. Speranza
    3 | September 18, 2013 12:38 pm

    The Egyptians still are convinced that the won the Yom Kippur War.


  4. Speranza
    4 | September 18, 2013 12:40 pm

    Say what you want about Nixon, despite his private anti-Semitic tendencies, and being bogged down by Watergate and the “Saturday Night Massacre” of October, 1973, he came through for Israel. The less said about Henry Kissinger (who was born Jewish), the better.


  5. Speranza
    5 | September 18, 2013 12:41 pm

    Meir could not contain herself after all the grim news she had digested until now. “As we convene,” she said from the Knesset podium, “an IDF task force is operating on the west bank of the Suez Canal.”

    Fortunately for Israel, Sadat dismissed her statement as “psychological warfare.”

    Thank God for that. I remember her saying at the time something to the effect “There is going to be a holiday in our streets soon”.


  6. Speranza
    6 | September 18, 2013 12:43 pm

    All her decisions had been sound and they would remain so for the duration of the war. Common sense and political savvy would serve her well in the unfamiliar terrain of military matters.

    A lot like Abraham Lincoln in that way.


  7. 7 | September 18, 2013 12:43 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Muslims as a whole are good at that denying reality thing. They really believe that they are the best, most advanced people on earth, and that everyone else should be their slave. They aren’t in this world to coexist but to dominate, and they don’t really make any effort to hide it. People who don’t see it are in willful denial. What makes the Muslims’ rather high regard for themselves into farce is that they are really the most backward, primitive culture on the face of the planet. Lost tribes of Indians in the Amazon jungle have higher civilizations and are more civilized than the Mohammedans. A key tenet of their faith really is that you get great group sex in Heaven if you blow yourself up to kill Jews or Americans. They believe this strong enough that they willingly die for it. The thing that sucks about that is most of the time they don’t die alone.


  8. Speranza
    8 | September 18, 2013 12:44 pm

    By that afternoon, the last Syrian troops were driven from the Golan Heights in a remarkable drive by the Israeli tank corps.

    Arguably the greatest tank battle in history, even surpassing the Battle of Prokhorovka on July 12, 1943 during the Nazi Kursk Offensive.


  9. Speranza
    9 | September 18, 2013 12:45 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Muslims as a whole are good at that denying reality thing. They really believe that they are the best, most advanced people on earth, and that everyone else should be their slave. They aren’t in this world to coexist but to dominate, and they don’t really make any effort to hide it. People who don’t see it are in willful denial. What makes the Muslims’ rather high regard for themselves into farce is that they are really the most backward, primitive culture on the face of the planet. Lost tribes of Indians in the Amazon jungle have higher civilizations and are more civilized than the Mohammedans. A key tenet of their faith really is that you get great group sex in Heaven if you blow yourself up to kill Jews or Americans. They believe this strong enough that they willingly die for it. The thing that sucks about that is most of the time they don’t die alone.

    The fact that their Third Army was trapped and that the IDF was across the Suez Canal is irrelevant to them.


  10. Speranza
    10 | September 18, 2013 12:47 pm

    It absolved Meir and Dayan, a finding which touched off widespread public protests

    Moshe Dayan was a fraud.


  11. 11 | September 18, 2013 12:48 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Lincoln could learn on his feet. When the Civil War broke out Lincoln had only the most rudimentary concept of strategy. But he was keenly aware of how much he didn’t know, and he applied himself to the learning of it. Can you imagine Obama doing the same? Obama thinks he is the smatrtest guy in the room, and he tries to surround himself with imbicils so that can be the truth, if only by comparison. Among imbicils a man of barely average intellect can appear a genius. The whole myth of Obama as savior is really founded on the soft bigotry of low expectations. Obama can’t have ever lived up to his myth (no man could), but people give him a pass on falling so far short mostly because of his skin color. One mustn’t be to critical of te racial hire.


  12. Speranza
    12 | September 18, 2013 12:49 pm

    According to the Mossad’s agent, the Arab attack would not come before sundown. Meir overruled Dayan. The children must be brought down this morning, she said. The Arabs, in fact, had made a last-minute change in zero hour, moving it up to 2 p.m. when a massive barrage would descend on the Golan Heights.

    Smart move -- again a good example of just plain common sense and good intuition.


  13. Speranza
    13 | September 18, 2013 12:52 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Lincoln could learn on his feet. When the Civil War broke out Lincoln had only the most rudimentary concept of strategy. But he was keenly aware of how much he didn’t know, and he applied himself to the learning of it. Can you imagine Obama doing the same? Obama thinks he is the smatrtest guy in the room, and he tries to surround himself with imbicils so that can be the truth, if only by comparison. Among imbicils a man of barely average intellect can appear a genius. The whole myth of Obama as savior is really founded on the soft bigotry of low expectations. Obama can’t have ever lived up to his myth (no man could), but people give him a pass on falling so far short mostly because of his skin color. One mustn’t be to critical of te racial hire.

    Obama is a guy who believes his own B.S. Lincoln was a humble, modest man who never forgot where he came from. Obama like that awful joke told by Ann Richards about George H. W. Bush was “a man who was born on 3rd base and thinks he hit a triple”. Despite all evidence to the contrary, Obama is just not very smart and has not grown at all during the last five years. An overweening arrogance and a sense of his own brilliance seems to give him this sense of infallibility.


  14. 14 | September 18, 2013 12:56 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    The Egyptians still are convinced that the won the Yom Kippur War.

    I think that mural drawn by the North Koreans that shows Sadat and Mubarak planning the Suez crossing is hysterical.


  15. Speranza
    15 | September 18, 2013 12:57 pm

    One of my many favorite Lincoln stories is when he visited the Army of the Potomac’s headquarters in April, 1863 to meet its new commander Maj. General Joseph Hooker. Lincoln told Hooker, Hooker’s second-in-command the senior corps commander Maj. General Darius Couch, as well as Hooker’s chief-of -staff Maj. General Daniel Butterfield (the man who wrote “taps” by the way) “Gentlemen, in your next battle, please put in all your mean“. Unfortunately at Chancellorsville approximately 60,000 Federal soldiers pretty much did not see any combat (Hooker had an army of 134,000 at the start of the campaign as opposed to Robert E. Lee’s 62,000 men). Thus the odds were fairly equal.


  16. 16 | September 18, 2013 12:58 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Hezbollah thinks it defeated Israel despite the fact the Israelis were starting to surround them by day 32 of the war. That’s why they went into Syria thinking al-Nusra would be easy to defeat. 2100 Hezzies killed in Syria will take issue with that.


  17. 17 | September 18, 2013 1:00 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    The fact that their Third Army was trapped and that the IDF was across the Suez Canal is irrelevant to them.

    Maybe they should have exterminated Egypt’s Third Army. Make war unpleasent for them. The only way there is ever going to be peace is with an extremely bloody conflict. If the Muslims win, Israel will cease to exist. If the Jews win, though, there can be som ehope of peace. But only if they win so decisively that the few survivors have no stomach for war. Islam is a Death Cult. You have to break the power of Islam over the people to win. I don’ tknow that the Israelis have the stomach to do what is really necessary. They are going to have to kill tens of thousands of the enemy to convince them that peace is a viable solution. I’ve said for some time that they need to exterminate Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Al Aksa, and so forth before there can be real peace. The separation barrier has made a real difference, but the Mohammedans still shell Israel on a regular basis. I’m of the mind that Israel should shell them back. 24 hours of continuous shelling should be the retaliation any time a rocket wanders into Israel and explodes.


  18. Speranza
    18 | September 18, 2013 1:00 pm

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    2100 Hezzies killed in Syria will take issue with that.

    If they could lol.


  19. 19 | September 18, 2013 1:01 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I’ve said for some time that they need to exterminate Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Al Aksa, and so forth before there can be real peace.

    Al-Nusra will take care of Hezbollah.


  20. Speranza
    20 | September 18, 2013 1:01 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Maybe they should have exterminated Egypt’s Third Army. Make war unpleasent for them.

    Kissinger that dirt bag would not let them. They should’ve claimed they did not get the message and done it any way. “Oops sorry”.


  21. Speranza
    21 | September 18, 2013 1:02 pm

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    I think that mural drawn by the North Koreans that shows Sadat and Mubarak planning the Suez crossing is hysterical.

    They do live in alternate universe.


  22. 22 | September 18, 2013 1:03 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    But only if they win so decisively that the few survivors have no stomach for war.

    You don’t see the Bosniaks, Albanians, Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah or Iran wanting a rematch with the Serbs? There is a reason for that.


  23. 23 | September 18, 2013 1:03 pm

    @ Speranza:

    That mural had me laughing. I was like WTF is that.


  24. 24 | September 18, 2013 1:03 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    An overweening arrogance and a sense of his own brilliance seems to give him this sense of infallibility.

    I’ve always said he reminds me of Mussolini. He’s got that arrogance down to an art. He even holds his head similar to the way Mussolini would do. I don’t guess you can prove that he is deliberately aping Mussolini, but that air of arrogance is cultivated. Obama’s always been told he was special, and he believes that he is. I’m sure he is very frustrated with his domestic agenda right now. He’s no leader of men. He was barely able to cajole the Legislature to pass ObamaCare, and he controlled both houses with sizable majorities.


  25. 25 | September 18, 2013 1:05 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yeah, I think I would have told Kissinger that battlefield contingencies prohibited me from complying with his request. It would have been interesting to see how Kissinger dealt with that.


  26. 26 | September 18, 2013 1:06 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    There is a huge difference though between il Duce and the god-king. Mussolini loved Italy and tried to unite the Italian people with calls for nation unity. Obama likes to pit Americans against each other and really does not have a connection with this country.


  27. 27 | September 18, 2013 1:06 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Kissinger is one of Chris Christie’s biggest backers.


  28. 28 | September 18, 2013 1:09 pm

    @ Goldwaterite:

    I don’t know that much about Kissinger, but I’ve never been overly impressed with what I do know of him. I wasn’t even sure he was still alive.


  29. Speranza
    29 | September 18, 2013 1:10 pm

    North Korea thinks they beat us in the Korean war.


  30. Speranza
    30 | September 18, 2013 1:10 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Goldwaterite:
    I don’t know that much about Kissinger, but I’ve never been overly impressed with what I do know of him. I wasn’t even sure he was still alive.

    I loathe the man. A would be Machiavelli.


  31. Speranza
    31 | September 18, 2013 1:11 pm

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Kissinger is one of Chris Christie’s biggest backers.

    You’ve been reading the book “Collision 2012″. lol


  32. Bumr50
    32 | September 18, 2013 1:12 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I’m sure he is very frustrated with his domestic agenda right now.

    It’s the only thing he cares about.

    I seriously doubt that he has ANY foreign policy initiative other than lessening US influence around the globe.


  33. Speranza
    33 | September 18, 2013 1:12 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Yeah, I think I would have told Kissinger that battlefield contingencies prohibited me from complying with his request. It would have been interesting to see how Kissinger dealt with that.

    Kissinger should have been told in no uncertain terms that in October 1973 Israel was far more popular in America then Kissinger or his soon to be impeached boss.


  34. 34 | September 18, 2013 1:13 pm

    @ Speranza:

    They downplay China’s role. Keep in mind, we are talking about a regime who views their leaders as gods.


  35. 35 | September 18, 2013 1:13 pm

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    really does not have a connection with this country.

    Exactly true. Obama is a stranger in a strange land when he is in America. While I have no real use for Birtherism, I will say that regardless of the circumstances of his birth Obama was raised to look down on America and cleave to America’s enemies. The man feels no patriotism towards the United States at all. The whole point of the “Natural Born Citizen” thing was so that the President would have had love of country and duty to country as inculcated traits. On that score Obama fails miserably. He simply doesn’t have the feelings that were expected to be demonstrated by a Natural Born Citizen.


  36. 36 | September 18, 2013 1:14 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yes great book and very revealing who the players are in the GOP Establishment. Why does Kissinger still have clout?


  37. 37 | September 18, 2013 1:15 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    He views himself as a citizen of the world.


  38. 38 | September 18, 2013 1:17 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    I seriously doubt that he has ANY foreign policy initiative other than lessening US influence around the globe.

    I agree. Obama seems not to have really wanted to get us in a war in Syria, or at least be of mixed mind of it. Maybe knowing he’d lose support of the Legislature made him re-think his position. He painted himself into an impossible position where nothing he could do was the right answer. The Russians gave him an out to save sommewhat of his political face for domestic American policy, but at the price of Obama’s last shread of credibility on the Foreign Policy front.


  39. 39 | September 18, 2013 1:18 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The one good thing about this is that the US is done nation building in the Mideast. The public will not support it from any party. This is a blessing in disguise.


  40. Bumr50
    40 | September 18, 2013 1:19 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Completely reactionary. And all about him.

    He had to say SOMETHING about the chemical weapons, and so he set a red line to sound “tough.”


  41. 41 | September 18, 2013 1:21 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    See my #39. The era of nation building is over! Obama unintentionally did this country a favor.


  42. 42 | September 18, 2013 1:22 pm

    @ Goldwaterite:

    Yes, and that was how he was raised. His mother felt no loyalty towards the United States. She was in love with the Third World, or at leat with the Idea of the Third World. I’m not sure how she really felt about Indonesia. She was used to he finer things in life, ad I don’t think her husband there was able to provide her with that. He was successful enough, but Obama’s mom sounds like she defined “High Maitenance Woman”.


  43. 43 | September 18, 2013 1:25 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Obama is 3rd World Liberation. His rhetoric is in that vain. That is why he is the best campaigner I have seen. Americans are not use to the 3rd World style rhetoric so it works.


  44. 44 | September 18, 2013 1:29 pm

    @ Goldwaterite:

    You are probably right in that. Helping nations up from the ashes may sound like a nobel venture, but you really can’t do that very often. We look at the Successes of post-war Germany and Japan, where we did successfully rebuild their nations, and expect that patter to replicate itself. That paradigm just doesn’t work when applied to Muslims. Even Japan was more individualistic than the Muslims are. We had more of a foundation to build on. And, too, the successes in post-war rebuilding we predicated on us utterly and completely defeating the Germans and the Japanese in war. We didn’tjust bomb the Werhmact and the Rhur. We completely destroyed Germany and Japan. Only then, after complete and total victory, did we go about trying to rebuild those nations. We haven’t done that with the Mohammedan countries. We occupied Iraq, but we didn’t completely defeat them. We tried to skip that vital step.


  45. 45 | September 18, 2013 1:31 pm

    @ Goldwaterite:

    People believe Obama because they want to believe in Obama. He really isn’t a very good orator. He can usually read his teleprompter faily convincingly, but you knw he is going from a script. If you deviate from that script, he is completely lost.


  46. 46 | September 18, 2013 1:44 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    People believe Obama because they want to believe in Obama.

    You nailed it right there!


  47. 47 | September 18, 2013 1:58 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Ain’t that the truth! Nixon for his giant reputation as an Antisemitic SOB was the President who formally recognized Israel as an ally. When it counted he supplied pretty much everything the Israelis requested, and did so despite being advised not to.

    Isn’t it funny that those accused of being Antisemitic are the ones who most substantively support Israel, and those who are purported to be the best friends of Jews the world over tend to be the weakest supporters of Israel’s well being?


  48. Speranza
    48 | September 18, 2013 2:08 pm

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    Why does Kissinger still have clout?

    I am surprised he is even still alive.


  49. Speranza
    49 | September 18, 2013 2:09 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    Ain’t that the truth! Nixon for his giant reputation as an Antisemitic SOB was the President who formally recognized Israel as an ally. When it counted he supplied pretty much everything the Israelis requested, and did so despite being advised not to.

    Isn’t it funny that those accused of being Antisemitic are the ones who most substantively support Israel, and those who are purported to be the best friends of Jews the world over tend to be the weakest supporters of Israel’s well being?

    McGovern who ran against Nixon in 1972 (a 49 state blow out defeat for McGovern)and came across as if he was the biggest Zionist of all time, later showed his true anti-Israel colors as did Hillary Clinton.


  50. RIX
    50 | September 18, 2013 2:12 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Obama has very little connection to American culture.
    He spent his formative years off shore in Hawaii & Jakarta.
    He didn’t set foot on the Mainland until he was a freshman at Occidental with that bogus scholarship.
    His reading was Ellison, Du Bois & Malcolm X etc.
    He internalized his fathers anti Westernism & gravitated to radicals like Frank Marshal Davis & Bill Ayers et al.
    He is actually alienated toward the U.S


  51. Speranza
    51 | September 18, 2013 2:12 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I’ve always said he reminds me of Mussolini. He’s got that arrogance down to an art. He even holds his head similar to the way Mussolini would do. I don’t guess you can prove that he is deliberately aping Mussolini, but that air of arrogance is cultivated. Obama’s always been told he was special, and he believes that he is. I’m sure he is very frustrated with his domestic agenda right now. He’s no leader of men. He was barely able to cajole the Legislature to pass ObamaCare, and he controlled both houses with sizable majorities.

    Romney needed to do more to get under Obama’s skin during the debates and let America see the real peevish, immature temperament that The One has. Instead the powers that be decided that Stuart Stevens is the all wise, all knowing, guru whose advice had to be listened too.


  52. Speranza
    52 | September 18, 2013 2:16 pm

    RIX wrote:

    His reading was Ellison, Du Bois & Malcolm X etc.

    This morning as I was getting dressed to go to work I caught 20 minutes on the cable channel Showtime, Spike Lee’s hagiographic film biography of “Malcolm X” starring Denzel Washington. Talk about a puff piece film!


  53. Bumr50
    53 | September 18, 2013 2:18 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Israel also has their own Progressives to contend with, and have wealthy allies here in the States.

    A quick gander at Haaretz at any given time will confirm.


  54. RIX
    54 | September 18, 2013 2:28 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    His reading was Ellison, Du Bois & Malcolm X etc.

    This morning as I was getting dressed to go to work I caught 20 minutes on the cable channel Showtime, Spike Lee’s hagiographic film biography of “Malcolm X” starring Denzel Washington. Talk about a puff piece film!

    Yeah, Detroit Red was a petty criminal who became an institutional racist as a Black Muslim.
    There is actually a Malcolm X Junior College in Chicago.


  55. 55 | September 18, 2013 2:42 pm

    @ RIX:

    Ain’t it funny that they’ll try to spin anything into “Institutional Racism” and “White Privilege”, but they have absolutely no problem with black racism or the “black privilege” that now treats blacks as a privileged class. They consider that to be the way the world is supposed to work.


  56. RIX
    56 | September 18, 2013 2:47 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Ain’t it funny that they’ll try to spin anything into “Institutional Racism” and “White Privilege”, but they have absolutely no problem with black racism or the “black privilege” that now treats blacks as a privileged class. They consider that to be the way the world is supposed to work.

    as a sociological concept Blacks can’t be racist because they don’t have power.
    Um, I thought that a Black guy is the President.


  57. 57 | September 18, 2013 2:59 pm

    @ RIX:

    Yeah, I agree. What too many blacks really want is a return to Jim Crow, except with the blacks on top and the whites on the bottom. The reason that the Civil Rights movement was a success is that the basic injustice of the system shamed most whites, and so Jim Crow was overturned. But that sense of shame came from knowing that the civil rights marchers had the moral high ground. When they stopped wanting equality, in favor of a privileged position for blacks (affirmative action, anyone?), they lost that moral high ground. If racism really isn’t that bad, then logically people should want their own race to come first. Pure self-interest at work. OTOH, if racism is bad, then while we haven’t attained perfection, I’d say we’ve come a good, long way.


  58. eaglesoars
    58 | September 18, 2013 3:01 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    She was used to he finer things in life, ad I don’t think her husband there was able to provide her with that. He was successful enough, but Obama’s mom sounds like she defined “High Maitenance Woman”.

    NO NO NO. He was successful but one of the last fights they had was because he wanted to go to a business dinner with him and she spit back “you’re one of THEM” (i.e., capitolist pig)

    She was all about empowering the downtrodden.


  59. 59 | September 18, 2013 3:10 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    She was all about empowering the downtrodden.

    Maybe. I haven’t read Obama’s ponderous tomes about himself, but my general impression of people on that side of the aisle is that they are very entitled. She hated capitalism, because that’s what leftists do, but she didn’t go out amoong the people and try to raise them up. Al lot of the Left look on other people with a great deal of paternalism. That they couldn’t make it on their own. That they need things like Affirmative Action that institutionalizes the inferiority of the “downtrodden”. Also you get a lot of the “Nobel Savage” bullshit, and expect them to live in mud huts because that is pure for them, but the Elites live on room service and fly around in their private jets.


  60. Speranza
    60 | September 18, 2013 3:10 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    NO NO NO. He was successful but one of the last fights they had was because he wanted to go to a business dinner with him and she spit back “you’re one of THEM” (i.e., capitolist pig)

    She was all about empowering the downtrodden.

    She was pretty much a Red.


  61. RIX
    61 | September 18, 2013 3:11 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Actually, I thought that race relations were further alon.
    i think that Obama has made things worse. A real wake up call for me was Black Pundits wanting Zimmerman convicted for Trayvons parents. He didn’t deal with guilt or innocence, it would just be good for the parents.


  62. Speranza
    62 | September 18, 2013 3:11 pm

    RIX wrote:

    as a sociological concept Blacks can’t be racist because they don’t have power.
    Um, I thought that a Black guy is the President.

    Stop trying to be logical. /


  63. RIX
    63 | September 18, 2013 3:11 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    NO NO NO. He was successful but one of the last fights they had was because he wanted to go to a business dinner with him and she spit back “you’re one of THEM” (i.e., capitolist pig)

    She was all about empowering the downtrodden.

    She was pretty much a Red.

    So was her father.


  64. eaglesoars
    64 | September 18, 2013 3:19 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    but she didn’t go out amoong the people and try to raise them up

    Yes she did. She spent years in Indonesia teaching women crafts so they could make a living. She worked like a dog. Yes, she was a socialist, but the woman practiced what she preached Read David Maraniss’ ‘Barack Obama’.

    In neither of his books did Obama really portray his mom.


  65. eaglesoars
    65 | September 18, 2013 3:23 pm

    RIX wrote:

    So was her father.

    I never picked up on that. He was a bit lazy and fairly bitter tho


  66. RIX
    66 | September 18, 2013 3:36 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    So was her father.

    I never picked up on that. He was a bit lazy and fairly bitter tho

    Struck me that way.


  67. 67 | September 18, 2013 3:38 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    In neither of his books did Obama really portray his mom.

    I can believe that. His mother was white, and thus didn’t rise very far in his eyes. Like I’ve said, I never read Obama’s ponderous tomes on himself.


  68. eaglesoars
    68 | September 18, 2013 3:44 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    His mother was white, and thus didn’t rise very far in his eyes

    I don’t think it’s because she was white. I think it’s because he felt abandoned. His grandmother who raised him was white and he very obviously loved her dearly


  69. lobo91
    69 | September 18, 2013 3:44 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    D’Souza’s book talks about her, too.


  70. 70 | September 18, 2013 3:46 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    His grandmother who raised him was white and he very obviously loved her dearly

    I didn’t get that at all from him. He called his grandmother a “Typical White Person” and he did not mean that as a compliment. Also, didn’t he skip going to say his goodbyes when she died? I seem to remember that.


  71. Speranza
    71 | September 18, 2013 3:48 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    In neither of his books did Obama really portray his mom.

    Who writes an autobiography at the age of 30 after doing essentially nothing?


  72. 72 | September 18, 2013 3:48 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    His Grandma was a bank executive.


  73. Speranza
    73 | September 18, 2013 3:49 pm

    RIX wrote:

    So was her father.

    Yes the Dunham grandparents were Red.


  74. 74 | September 18, 2013 3:49 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Someone with big plans.


  75. Speranza
    75 | September 18, 2013 3:51 pm

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Someone with big plans.

    Quite concur.
    If I wrote my autobiography when I turned 30 it would cover maybe 2/3rds of a page.


  76. 76 | September 18, 2013 3:52 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Obama dated mostly White women or Pakistani males before he hooked up with Michelle. He only got with her to get Black Street cred. In fact, Obama did not consider himself black until his wanted a political career.

    Obama is more comfortable among Whites than Black.


  77. RIX
    77 | September 18, 2013 3:53 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    So was her father.

    Yes the Dunham grandparents were Red.

    Seems that way to me.


  78. eaglesoars
    78 | September 18, 2013 3:53 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Also, didn’t he skip going to say his goodbyes when she died? I seem to remember that.

    You have mis-remembered. He did make it back to Hawaii to say goodbye before she died. The ‘typical white person’ is just his casual racism showing up. Obama will lie about anything to further a narrative. Portraying his dead grandmother as a casual racist suited him at the moment so he did. The fact is his grandmother never said that nonsense about being afraid to stand at the bus stop. His SOB grandfather TOLD him she said it just to get under Obama’s skin. Now THERE was one mean, petty man


  79. 79 | September 18, 2013 3:53 pm

    @ Speranza:

    He wanted to be Mayor of Chicago. But a few lucky breaks and he became President.


  80. Bumr50
    80 | September 18, 2013 3:55 pm

    You just can’t make this stuff up.

    ‘OBAMA EXPRESS’ GROCERY STORE CAUGHT IN FOOD STAMP TRAFFICKING


  81. RIX
    81 | September 18, 2013 3:56 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    His grandmother who raised him was white and he very obviously loved her dearly

    I didn’t get that at all from him. He called his grandmother a “Typical White Person” and he did not mean that as a compliment. Also, didn’t he skip going to say his goodbyes when she died? I seem to remember that.

    He dissed grandma who rolled out of bed every morning and took a bust to the Bank of Hawaii.
    Grandpa wouldn’t get out of bed.
    Obama was able to go to an exclusive prep school because of her.


  82. 82 | September 18, 2013 3:59 pm

    @ RIX:

    He went to the funeral.


  83. RIX
    83 | September 18, 2013 4:01 pm

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    @ RIX:

    He went to the funeral.

    He did & he visited her nine days before she died.
    I don’t doubt that he loved her, but he tossed her off the sled to cover him & his relationship with the racist Rev Wright


  84. RIX
    84 | September 18, 2013 4:04 pm

    Goldwaterite wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    He wanted to be Mayor of Chicago. But a few lucky breaks and he became President.

    He would never have been a U.S Senator if Mike Ditka would have run against him.
    The Republicans wanted to slate him, but Da Coach turned it down.


  85. eaglesoars
    85 | September 18, 2013 4:05 pm

    RIX wrote:

    but he tossed her off the sled to cover him & his relationship with the racist Rev Wright

    yep

    gotta go do the dinner thing


  86. lobo91
    86 | September 18, 2013 4:06 pm

    Dem Rep. Steve Cohen Bashes Second Amendment Supporters: They Keep “Their Guns Next To Their Bibles. I’m Not Sure Which They Find More Important”…

    Rep. Steve Cohen committed a gaffe on Wednesday’s Now with Alex Wagner on MSNBC, Jeffrey Meyer at CNSNews.com noticed. Wagner prattled on about the recall of liberal legislators in Colorado “weren’t heartening,” as NRA voter suppression” was harming the cause of “gun safety reform.”

    Then Cohen suggested gun-rights House members are a “Murderers Row” who like their guns:

    “It’s no Newtown. People are almost inured to it, because they’ve seen what happened in the Senate, and seen the votes can’t be cobbled together. And in the House, on the Judiciary Committee, which I sit on, that’s Murderers’ Row; that’s Foxx, Gehrig and Ruth. They all like their guns,” Cohen clumsily said. [...]

    Cohen also said of gun-rights advocates: “I think their guns are next there to their bibles. I’m not sure which they find more important to them.” After his “Murderers Row” comment, Cohen insisted that Republicans like their guns more than God: “I think guns trump bibles on that side of the aisle.”


  87. Bumr50
    87 | September 18, 2013 4:19 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Residents of Memphis need to remember this.


  88. lobo91
    88 | September 18, 2013 4:27 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Absolutely


  89. heysoos
    89 | September 18, 2013 4:37 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    liberal fear of firearms is irrational, therefore they will not concede to any rational argument against them…you have to defeat them with votes, so far so good…not so good on most other issues…liberals will win out in the end on the other stuff because there is no one to oppose them…republicans are lazy idiots more concerned with re-election, just like the donks


  90. 90 | September 18, 2013 5:00 pm

    @ lobo91:

    You want to know what’s funny? Cohen was one of the ones that shepherded our concealed carry laws through the Tennessee Congress. I guess since he went to Washington, he’s been infected with the Washington disease. 20 years ago he was speaking at rallies against the “Assault Weapons” ban.


  91. 91 | September 18, 2013 5:06 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    The ‘typical white person’ is just his casual racism showing up.

    Fair enough, but his casual racism was what I was speaking to earlier on the thread. Not just his, but pretty much the whole black community’s. THere is a casual familiarity to it when they let something like this slip. This is the way he thinks on a daily basis. It really is like they want Jim Crow back, but with the blacks on top and the whites on the bottom. If we are going to define racism as evil (and I really have no quarrel with that), it is eveil wherever it manifests itself. It is not OK for Obama to be a casual racist while condemning the Tea Party for “racism”. That’s just not going to fly. At least it doesn’t with me, and I suspect that it will wear thin fairly quickly for most of the rest of the country.


  92. Bumr50
    92 | September 18, 2013 5:07 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    He now touts his 91.1% rating from Progressive Punch on his website.


  93. 93 | September 18, 2013 5:09 pm

    RIX wrote:

    but he tossed her off the sled to cover him & his relationship with the racist Rev Wright

    See, that’s what I remember about her. He discarded her like a used kleenex when it suited him. Obama is without question a malignant narccissist. Things like that make me suspect he is somewhat of a sociopath as well. Normal people just don’t treat their close family like that.


  94. 94 | September 18, 2013 5:15 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Yeah, I guess it is hard to say what he really believes. And, too, the Democrat Party has moved to be more inflexible on gun control. His conversion into a gun-grabbing thug has been the Democrats’ conversion, though the Democrats have always been somewhat aopposed to the Second Amendment as a Party. At least since FDR. They’ve gotten progressively worse to the point that I have to question any of them’s comittment to the Bill of Rights. The Second Amendment is a good litmus test for how they view the citixzeenry’s relationship to the State. It is clear that Cohen now considers himself to be an Elite who should rule the masses. Thing s like this are why I’ll never vote for a Democrat. You simply cannot trust them. It was the same way Bart Stupak sold out on abortion to pass ObamaCare. He had a strong pro-life record, but that was only for the easy votes. When the rubber met the road and his Party needed him, he chose the Party line over his so-called principles. That cost him his job.


  95. lobo91
    95 | September 18, 2013 5:26 pm

    More class from Durbin:

    Dick Durbin Compares Republicans To “Squealing Pigs”…

    Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) told House Republicans to stop acting like “squealing political pigs.”

    “We need to act like adults not like squealing political pigs,” Durbin said on the Senate floor Wednesday.

    Durbin’s remarks were in reaction to a House Republican announcement that they would advance a government spending bill that defunds ObamaCare — something Democrats have said would lead to a government shut down.

    Yeah…how dare those Republicans try to do what the people who voted for them want!


  96. 96 | September 18, 2013 5:41 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Democrats don’t have much regard for votes tohat don’t go the way they want them to. Frankly, though, with Durbin (D-al Qaeda) you have to consider the source. Durbin is the worst traitor up there. I have no doubt that soldiers died because of his propaganda incitement for al Qaeda in Iraq. If the Democrats had been on America’s side in the Iraq war, it would have ended much sooner, and possibly even with a better outcome overall. Durbin wasn’t interested in that. He was stoking his anti-American base. I really wish that the Republicans had had the balls to call him out on it. Him, Ted Kennedy, and Kerry are among the worst US Senators ever. Ity is truly scary what their being elected to state-wide office says about their respective States.


  97. Speranza
    97 | September 18, 2013 6:07 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Democrats don’t have much regard for votes that don’t go the way they want them to.

    They despise the people (particularly Blacks) who loyally vote for them.


  98. Speranza
    98 | September 18, 2013 6:08 pm

    Dick Durbin is a complete blithering idiot in the mold of Patty Murray and Diane Feinstein.


  99. Speranza
    99 | September 18, 2013 6:09 pm

    The ‘typical white person’ is just his casual racism showing up.

    Obama gets away with a racist phrase.


  100. Speranza
    100 | September 18, 2013 6:09 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    He now touts his 91.1% rating from Progressive Punch on his website.

    Only 91.1?


  101. Bumr50
    101 | September 18, 2013 6:13 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Did you look at the site?

    Woodrow Wilson probably couldn’t break 95.


  102. lobo91
    102 | September 18, 2013 6:26 pm

    Obama: Amnesty Is My “Number-One Priority”…

    Funny…just yesterday, his “number one priority” was the economy.

    Of course, he wasn’t talking to Telemundo then.


  103. RIX
    103 | September 18, 2013 6:35 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    but he tossed her off the sled to cover him & his relationship with the racist Rev Wright

    See, that’s what I remember about her. He discarded her like a used kleenex when it suited him. Obama is without question a malignant narccissist. Things like that make me suspect he is somewhat of a sociopath as well. Normal people just don’t treat their close family like that.

    Nobody in his le w better to him than


  104. RIX
    104 | September 18, 2013 6:37 pm

    @ RIX:
    Oops! ….. than grandma.


  105. lobo91
    105 | September 18, 2013 6:46 pm

    Zimmerman Prosecutor Angela Corey Now Under State Ethics Investigation…

    She needs to be disbarred


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