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ACORN Stepping up to “Help”

by Mars ( 191 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Blogmocracy, Crime, Cult of Obama, Democratic Party, Free Speech, government, Guest Post, Health Care, Healthcare, History, Liberal Fascism, Marxism, Political Correctness, Politics, Progressives, Socialism, Unions at October 7th, 2013 - 4:00 pm

From The American Spectator

Obama’s ACORN Pals Cashing In on Obamacare Enrollment

By Matthew Vadum on 10.1.13 @ 6:51PM

If you’ve been listening to Rush Limbaugh’s radio show today, you know this already: President Obama’s old friends in the ACORN crime syndicate have decided to get a piece of the big-money Obamacare action.

United Labor Unions (ULU) Local 100 in New Orleans, which is run by ACORN founder Wade Rathke, announced on its Facebook page that it’s gearing up “to do mass enrollment and help navigate people into the marketplaces in Arkansas, Louisiana, and Texas under the Affordable Care Act!”

Be afraid.

Wherever Rathke goes, lawlessness follows.

Before his calamitous 38-year tenure as ACORN chief organizer ended in his expulsion from the group in 2008, Rathke covered up a million-dollar embezzlement involving the nonprofit’s pension funds. He presided over massive campaigns involving identity fraud in furtherance of voter fraud. (ACORN even knowingly hired felons convicted of identity theft to work on voter registration drives, giving them custody of sensitive voter information.)

As I showed in my ACORN/Obama expose, Subversion Inc., ACORN is also infamous for storming hospital emergency rooms and city council chambers, using mob violence against bank executives and other shakedown targets, and ruthlessly exploiting its own employees and going to court to seek an exemption from minimum wage laws.

At least 54 individuals who either worked for ACORN and its affiliates, or who were connected to ACORN have been convicted of voter fraud. ACORN Inc., the parent nonprofit that led the ACORN network, was itself convicted of election fraud in Nevada two years ago. Before Congress defunded ACORN in 2009, about $79 million in federal grants underwrote this criminal activity.

Now as part of the Obamacare enrollment process, Rathke and his fellow community organizers will have unfettered access to confidential information on thousands of people seeking health insurance.

Given who’s running ULU, it is a foregone conclusion that ULU Obamacare enrollers will abuse the sensitive financial, medical, and demographic information they take from vulnerable Americans, using the data for community organizing and partisan political advantage.

That’s how Rathke operated when he headed ACORN, which filed bankruptcy in late 2010 and splintered into more than two dozen new groups.

“Local 100’s role as a Navigator, suggest[s] the program is less about health care and more about building a new progressive infrastructure,” says longtime ACORN-watcher Mike Flynn of Breitbart.com.

Among the other left-wing groups hopping on the Obamacare navigator bandwagon are the Democrat-friendly Planned Parenthood, National Urban League, and Virginia Poverty Law Center Inc.

Other left-wing groups have signed up with the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) as “Champions of Coverage.” They vow to promote enrollment by emailing their members, hanging posters, giving out fact sheets and brochures, holding conference calls, or promoting enrollment in other ways.

Among the Champions of Coverage are Families USA, League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), NAACP, Service Employees International Union (SEIU), and U.S. PIRG Education Fund.

Enrollment will be a dangerous free-for-all because Obamacare “navigators” are barely regulated at all. By the way, the only reason there are any “navigators” is to help the left, as HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius has more or less admitted. Imposing rules would only interfere with community organizers’ ability to wreak havoc and spread the gospel of so-called social justice.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, a Republican office holder who is painfully aware of ACORN’s antics over the years, warns that the Obamacare navigator program, like Obamacare overall, is deeply flawed:

The “navigators” are prohibited from having financial ties to an insurance company, but other than that there are few constraints. Union organizers and community activists are among the types that are allowed to be hired as ‘navigators’, and having prior experience working in the health care field doesn’t seem to necessarily be a pre-requisite for the job. I wonder what percentage of these ‘navigators’ will be partisan Democrats?

These community organizers will have access to “social security numbers and tax information” and HHS isn’t even planning on running background checks before sending them out into the field. “Besides the obvious identity theft concerns, this is a frightening development in light of the political activities and invasion of privacy, which the IRS and others have engaged in during the Obama presidency,” Jindal says.

But as we’ve learned in the Obama era, this kind of craziness is par for the course with community organizers.

http://spectator.org/blog/2013/10/01/obamas-acorn-pals-cashing-in-o

People who should be sitting in prison are going to be handling peoples personal information including SSN’s and medical data. The current regime is a criminal cabal and should be dealt with accordingly.

RELATED INFO:
Here’s some amazing info from Newsmax. Reince Preibus really hits it out of the park with a couple of prime money quotes.

Priebus: Obamacare a Lemon, Not Ready for Primetime

Thursday, 03 Oct 2013 12:28 PM

By Lisa Barron

Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus underlined the many flaws in the Affordable Care Act Thursday morning, pointing to technical problems and enrollment delays.

“It clearly is a law that just isn’t ready for primetime,” he said in a morning conference call, adding, “Barack Obama knows he’s selling a lemon.”

When asked by a reporter why the GOP forced a shutdown debate rather than letting Obamacare go through and fail on its own, Priebus responded, “Clearly, if I was just being purely political sure, why not let these exchanges go through, let these Democrats continue to vote for these unpopular things. Obviously doing what’s politically right isn’t always what’s right for the American people.”

“It’s not fair, it’s not working, people don’t’ want it, so there’s a serious obligation to put that ahead of politics,” he added.

Republican Rep. Tom Cotton of Arkansas, who was also on the call, maintained that the party is putting the protection of the American public over political considerations.

“Democrats have to live with those consequences already,” he said, adding, “My responsibility is trying to reduce or eliminate as many of these effects going forward as possible.”

Priebus later played down polls showing that more voters blame Republicans than Democrats for the government shutdown.

“Governing by simply looking at daily tracking polls isn’t probably the right way to govern. Most people believe that Obamacare is wrong for America,” he said.

He also pointed his finger at the Democrats, saying their refusal to negotiate on the healthcare law led to the shutdown.

“Republicans have been offering deal after deal only to be met with a brick wall,” Priebus said, noting that Obama “was happy to call the leader of Iran and talk to him at length apparently. But he’s not willing to talk to Republicans. I think that’s pretty unbelievable.”

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/priebus-obamacare-lemon-primetime/2013/10/03/id/529135#ixzz2goVbG7BN
Urgent: Should Obamacare Be Repealed? Vote Here Now!

And a special presentation for Goldwaterite from the same link.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/kateandrews/2013/09/27/67-million-of-obamacare-funds-allocated-to-irs-missing-n1710440

$67 million allocated to an IRS slush fund for the purpose of rolling out Obamacare is unaccounted for, according to a report issued by the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration.

When the Affordable Care Act was adopted in 2010, it included a provision to establish a $1 billion Health Insurance Reform Implementation Fund “to pay for the Federal administrative expenses to carry out the ACA”—yet another joyous discovery about the bill that passed “so that you can find out what is in it.”

So far, the IRS has been allocated $488 million from the HIRIF to help the agency prepare for the “law’s numerous tax provisions.” The audit was performed to determine whether the IRS had used the funds appropriately to create an “adequate process to accurately account for and report selected ACA implementation costs charged to the HIRIF.”

The report—released just two weeks before the launch of Obamacare Exchanges—reveals that Obamacare finances are already in ruins. Take a look:

Affordable Care Act: Tracking of Health Insurance Reform Implementation Fund Costs Could Be Improved

…The IRS did not track all costs associated with implementation of the ACA including costs not charged to the HIRIF. Specifically, the IRS did not account for or attempt to quantify approximately $67 million of indirect ACA costs incurred for Fiscal Years 2010 through 2012. Indirect costs include, for example, providing employees with workspace and information technology support.

The IRS established a methodology to track ACA costs in its accounting records. However, the IRS accounted for only direct costs, such as labor and contract costs, because it did not believe that indirect costs should be recovered from the HIRIF…

…By not also identifying and tracking indirect costs, the IRS lacks complete information regarding the full cost of ACA implementation. This lack of complete information on ACA implementation costs limits the IRS’s ability to accurately report to stakeholders the total resources it applied to the ACA implementation and fully estimate the resources needed in the future for this effort.

This is just the beginning. If the IRS managed to mishandle $67 million during the preparation process, what’s going to happen when the agency is responsible for overseeing the new Obamacare tax regulations that affect every American citizen?

I can’t help but think this may be connected to ACORN’s involvement in Ocare.

It looks like ACORN is going to be busy if these comments from the actual Obamacare facebook account are to be believed.

21. “I am so disappointed. These prices are outrageous and there are huge deductibles. No one can afford this!”

20. “Good grief. Day three of trying and still can’t get on this website. The government KNEW about this thing going live for two years. TWO YEARS! And this is the best they could do? I shudder to think what’s going to happen once they are in control of my healthcare. They can’t even get their website functioning properly. If my business had rolled out a piece of crap that worked like this I’d be out of business.”

19. “How is it that Facebook, which is a non-essential social networking web site, can reliably handle BILLIONS of electronic interactions per second, but the Healthcare.gov site, which is literally the very heart of the Obamacare program wasn’t ready for the obvious millions of visitors that you had to know it would be receiving?”

18. “i’m just going to stop even bothering for a couple weeks or so… once the fervor dies down, hopefully i’ll be able to actually create an account!”

17. “The Federal Gov’t has ruined everything it has gotten involved in, does anybody really expect this healthcare disaster to be any different? Sorry, I’ll take the asinine fine.”

16. “And yet another day and several tries I once again keep getting nothing but a completely blank page after I log in. The top tab says ‘Successful URL’. Oh how ironic.”

15. “Didn’t these Feds ever have mothers that told them not to lie? Maybe they were raised in the wild. This system is trash. I can’t verify my identity or upload documents. Also what’s with Experian verifying ID’s? Don’t care for that at all.”

14. “I am a single mother of two, in school and working full time, living 75% below the poverty level and I DO NOT qualify for a healthcare subsidy”

13. “the website can’t verify my identity…the people at the experian verification number can’t verify my identity either….i tried to upload a scan of my driver’s license, and that won’t work either……very annoying process…….i’ve wasted 3 days on this junk.”

12. “if you’re stupid enough to put all your banking information in to the federal governments computers you are definitely part of the problem”

11. “Where the HELL am I supposed to get $3,000 more a year to pay for this “bronze” health insurance plan!?!??? And I DO NOT EVEN WANT INSURANCE to begin with!! This is frightening.”

10. “I have one question. What happens if I can’t afford the Affordable Health Care that you are cramming down my throat? I just ran your calculator, and if it is even close to accurate, I will have a choice…..I can pay my rent and buy groceries, or I can pay the health care premiums, move out into the streets and live under a bridge some where, and go hungry! Can I please get one of those exemption things that the President and Congress got?”

9. “I’ve been stuck at the security questions since 9am on October 1st”

8. “Death Panels. Yes. The red plan. It’s affordable. And painless!”

7. “Here in Austin, TX have gotten to login screen three times today, wait is getting shorter, but am still getting a blank screen after getting a quick ‘authenticating, please wait’ message at top left of screen, then nothing but a blank white page and no indication that the browser is waiting for the server to do anything. Attempts to refresh the screen sends me back to the please wait screen.”

6. “I finally got past the security question problem, got my account, my verification email, and when I went to log in, it said the information was invalid.”

5. “I want to know how I am expected to pay $300+ for this and still pay my bills when the only income is $710 a month from my husband’s SSI? Am i supposed to lose my home and water and electricity or go to jail because I can’t afford this?”

4. “Government forces people to pay a new tax. People click on website to see how much this new tax will cost them. Website crashes in the first hour. Government calls it a huge success.”

3. “I work a minimum wage job…how the heck can I afford health insurance and if the company doesn’t give full time? I am so angry right now…. I share housing with others because I can’t afford my own place… how do you expect people to afford obamacare if they barely get by from paycheck to paycheck????? I can’t afford a fine either! I think you are obligated to give the American people an answer and an explanation!”

2. “Y’all can kiss my butt. You got that? You want my bank account? I’ll close it. You put a lien on my house? Take it…and the mortgage too. Some things are worth fighting for, and freedom is one of them! I am sick and tired of the redistribution strategies of this socialist country and having my wages STOLEN to pay for them!”

1. The best comment was posted by a man named Will Sheehan with type 1 diabetes who was initially very excited to sign up for Obamacare. But what he discovered while trying to sign up was absolutely horrifying…

I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 “Silver Plan” and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I “opt-out” and chose to continue along with no insurance.

I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the “REPERCUSSIONS PORTION” for “non-payment” of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with “Non-Payment” and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy “Automatically withdraw” your “penalties” weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is “Free” or even “Affordable.”

http://thetruthwins.com/archives/21-of-the-best-comments-posted-by-frustrated-americans-on-the-official-obamacare-facebook-page

It looks like the LIV’s are being forced to wake up in the most brutal way possible.

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191 Responses to “ACORN Stepping up to “Help””
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  1. Mars
    2 | October 7, 2013 5:53 pm

    http://gawker.com/congressman-reads-internet-famous-anti-shutdown-tweet-o-1441960093
    This is what Gawker thinks the shutdown is. Keep brainwashing the LIV’s assholes.


  2. heysoos
    3 | October 7, 2013 5:55 pm

    the feds spend 24/7 ripping you off…you need to protect yourself even if it’s illegal…make a plan and add to it a little bit every day…work on the side, collect stuff that goes up in value, find like minded people and work out a scheme, do what ever you can to hedge the fallout, retool, think ahead…it CAN be done, fuck the govt


  3. RIX
    4 | October 7, 2013 6:03 pm

    Obama like to hav thugs working for him.
    He and Andy Stern sent thugs to Town Halls over ObamaCare to intimidate & rough people up.
    Two SEIU gonns beat a retired “Union” guy really bad at a St. Louis town hall.
    The guy had Stage 4 cancer, but he didn’t support the PPACA.
    Obama used to entertain his room mate at Columbia with his self described “Bad ass Nigga look.”
    He is a delusional little twerp.


  4. heysoos
    5 | October 7, 2013 6:07 pm

    @ RIX:
    got a link for that beating?


  5. Bumr50
    6 | October 7, 2013 6:09 pm

    @ RIX:

    And then they found the thugs “not guilty.”

    SEIU MEMBERS FOUND ‘NOT GUILTY’ IN BRUTAL BEATING OF TEA PARTY ACTIVIST

    ht -- The Blaze


  6. heysoos
    7 | October 7, 2013 6:13 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    thanks


  7. RIX
    8 | October 7, 2013 6:28 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ RIX:
    got a link for that beating?

    Let me look.


  8. RIX
    9 | October 7, 2013 6:31 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    You bet me to it. Thanks


  9. 10 | October 7, 2013 6:32 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    That’s why you try to maim or kill anybody that attacks you. When I was assaulted in Florida I tried to castrate one of the fucks, but hwe was wearing tight jeans, so I couldn’t get the grip it would have taken to crush his testicals. At least I had the satisfaction of seeing the mother fall on the ground. That was the opening I needed to fight my way back to my feet. I still regret not being able to land the castration shot. If he’d been wearing warm-up pants I’d have turned him into a choirboy castrati. I was a lot less skilled then than I am now. I’d love a rematch. I bet I’d kill half of them before they decided discression was the better part of valor.


  10. RIX
    11 | October 7, 2013 6:34 pm

    @ heysoos:
    @ Bumr50:
    That’s actually another incident. I was in St. Louis when the SEIU thugs beat up a retired
    union member at a Town Hall. It was all over local news, but I can’t find it.


  11. Mars
    12 | October 7, 2013 6:37 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    @ Bumr50:
    That’s actually another incident. I was in St. Louis when the SEIU thugs beat up a retired
    union member at a Town Hall. It was all over local news, but I can’t find it.

    I found the beating of the hot dog vendor. Sorry, there are just so many assaults out there by the SEIU it’s hard to find the right one.

    That’s sad that I just had to say that.


  12. 13 | October 7, 2013 6:41 pm

    Mars wrote:

    That’s sad that I just had to say that.

    There’s a reason they refer to them as Union thugs. There isn’t much difference between being in a gang and being in a union. That’s the sad thing. You have to feel sorry for all those Hell’s Angels/Outlaws that feel like they’ve been compared to a union.


  13. RIX
    14 | October 7, 2013 6:42 pm

    Mars wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    @ Bumr50:
    That’s actually another incident. I was in St. Louis when the SEIU thugs beat up a retired
    union member at a Town Hall. It was all over local news, but I can’t find it.

    I found the beating of the hot dog vendor. Sorry, there are just so many assaults out there by the SEIU it’s hard to find the right one.

    That’s sad that I just had to say that.

    De nada, I can’t find the one that I want.
    Fine group aren’t they?/


  14. RIX
    15 | October 7, 2013 6:45 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    The union leadership would make Stalin proud.
    But a lot of the rank & file vote Republican. I’m guessing more than 30%


  15. heysoos
    16 | October 7, 2013 6:47 pm

    @ Mars:
    that’s fine…it’s not rumor, which is all I care about
    good job


  16. Mars
    17 | October 7, 2013 6:47 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    That’s sad that I just had to say that.
    There’s a reason they refer to them as Union thugs. There isn’t much difference between being in a gang and being in a union. That’s the sad thing. You have to feel sorry for all those Hell’s Angels/Outlaws that feel like they’ve been compared to a union.

    Something is up with the unions right now. When I drive past the local union hall they have a whole row of signs about 40 hour work weeks, child workers, and weekends off. Plus the hall is buzzing with an insane amount of activity. I assumed there was something coming up to make MT right to work, but that’s impossible. The state legislature has adjourned for the year all the way back in April. There are no elections other than a school bond issue.

    What the hell are they up to.


  17. Mars
    18 | October 7, 2013 6:48 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    The union leadership would make Stalin proud.
    But a lot of the rank & file vote Republican. I’m guessing more than 30%

    Mt, is a little over half red and at last totals only about 15% of the unions go republican.


  18. RIX
    19 | October 7, 2013 6:50 pm

    Mars wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    The union leadership would make Stalin proud.
    But a lot of the rank & file vote Republican. I’m guessing more than 30%

    Mt, is a little over half red and at last totals only about 15% of the unions go republican.

    Ugh! Sorry to hear that.


  19. lobo91
    20 | October 7, 2013 6:51 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    The union leadership would make Stalin proud.
    But a lot of the rank & file vote Republican. I’m guessing more than 30%

    Trumka is such a Stalin fan that he even tries to look like him.


  20. Mars
    21 | October 7, 2013 6:52 pm

    @ RIX:
    Yeah and up until voter ID kicked in here they would get their “biodiesel” bus fired up and hit all the parks to gather all the homeless in town. Guess where they were headed? They’re still doing it but they aren’t going to multiple polling locations anymore.


  21. yenta-fada
    22 | October 7, 2013 6:56 pm

    @ Mars:

    I don’t know, but this is a huge issue that’s being used as a political football. Wall Street Journal:

    Lew warns about default as Boehner calls on GOP to fight
    Treasury Secretary Jack Lew is urging lawmakers to raise the debt ceiling by Oct. 17 or face a possible debt default. “On the 17th, we run out of our ability to borrow, and Congress is playing with fire,” Lew said. “If they don’t extend the debt limit, we have a very, very short window of time before those scenarios start to be played out.” Meanwhile, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, says it is “time for us to stand and fight.” Republicans will not allow legislation to pass to increase the debt ceiling unless the White House is willing to move on issues such as health care.


  22. RIX
    23 | October 7, 2013 6:57 pm

    @ Mars:
    They’re concerned about the 40 hour work week, because a lot of employers in Taft Hartley Trusts are cutting back hours because of ObamaCare.


  23. yenta-fada
    24 | October 7, 2013 6:57 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    @ Iron Fist:
    The union leadership would make Stalin proud.
    But a lot of the rank & file vote Republican. I’m guessing more than 30%
    Trumka is such a Stalin fan that he even tries to look like him.

    I never thought about it, but you’re right.


  24. yenta-fada
    25 | October 7, 2013 6:59 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Mars:
    They’re concerned about the 40 hour work week, because a lot of employers in Taft Hartley Trusts are cutting back hours because of ObamaCare.

    Yup. That’s the ticket. The quote from Bloomberg TV that I gave earlier said that 65% of all jobs are now part time. Unreal.


  25. RIX
    26 | October 7, 2013 6:59 pm

    Mars wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Yeah and up until voter ID kicked in here they would get their “biodiesel” bus fired up and hit all the parks to gather all the homeless in town. Guess where they were headed? They’re still doing it but they aren’t going to multiple polling locations anymore.

    But voter ID is racist, there is no fraud./


  26. RIX
    27 | October 7, 2013 7:00 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ Mars:
    They’re concerned about the 40 hour work week, because a lot of employers in Taft Hartley Trusts are cutting back hours because of ObamaCare.

    Yup. That’s the ticket. The quote from Bloomberg TV that I gave earlier said that 65% of all jobs are now part time. Unreal.

    Obama has trashed an already weak economy.


  27. Mars
    28 | October 7, 2013 7:00 pm

    Well as I pointed out above. They won’t budge on Obamacare. It is a success for them in almost every possible way. First if it succeeds, they get the credit. If it fails they can replace it with single payer hillarycare. While it’s running they have the nations top identity theft ring stealing all of peoples personal information for more voter fraud. The republicans have the right idea here, and the fight is an important one. It’s just at this point with the press, can they lose? Even if the people totally turn against the dems are they going to remember their anger in 2014 and 2016? The scary thing is that personal information from Obamacare has already been accidentally leaked. Luckily the guy who got it was honest. But, there’s no way he was the only one it was sent to. How many people out there are being handed priceless personal info either intentionally or accidentally. All courtesy of healthcare.gov.


  28. 29 | October 7, 2013 7:07 pm

    @ Mars:

    Most of the Unions make it to where members get a myriad of benefits from Big government, and I think that is what that is about. The Union is the livelyhood of the members,and they see the Democrats as more Union Friendly (which is definately true). OTOH, on the Policy front the Democrats run counter to the bulk of of the member’s wishes. Gun control is the big one. People who are in the trades tend to be people who strongly support the Second Amendmet. The Union vote as a whole is probably hostile to gun control. But they’ll keep voting Democrat even with the Democrats supporting policies that they detest.


  29. Mars
    30 | October 7, 2013 7:09 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    @ RIX:
    Yeah and up until voter ID kicked in here they would get their “biodiesel” bus fired up and hit all the parks to gather all the homeless in town. Guess where they were headed? They’re still doing it but they aren’t going to multiple polling locations anymore.

    But voter ID is racist, there is no fraud./

    The fraud here kicked into high gear with the appearance of David Sirota. Everyone remember him? He’s the dirtbag who used to be Soros’ favorite thug. He set him up in charge of several of his vote stealing organizations, and even had him write a couple books. Well, Mr.Sirota showed up here a few years back in order to steal the governors election for Brian Schweitzer. He succeeded, worked briefly in a plush position under Schweitzer, then (following his masters orders) took off for Colorado to screw their state up even more. Apparently he’s now a radio host and Salon contributor. He’s the genius who said let’s pray the Boston Bomber is an angry white male.

    This guy is scum. During his period in this state vote fraud went through the roof.


  30. lobo91
    31 | October 7, 2013 7:09 pm

    @ Mars:

    The only thing preventing massive identity theft is the fact that so few people are actually able to log on to their crappy website.

    “The system worked”
    --Janet Napolitano


  31. Mars
    32 | October 7, 2013 7:11 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    @ Mars:
    They’re concerned about the 40 hour work week, because a lot of employers in Taft Hartley Trusts are cutting back hours because of ObamaCare.
    Yup. That’s the ticket. The quote from Bloomberg TV that I gave earlier said that 65% of all jobs are now part time. Unreal.

    Yeah, but they have all these signs as part of a “Thank the Unions” campaign. There hasn’t been a danger to the unions in this state. Right to work got defeated both times it was brought up, and the current governor is completely bought and paid for by the unions. (To the point that all his billboards and campaign ads were paid for by the MEA and MFT. The two state level teachers unions.) On that point just why the hell does a state need two teachers unions in addition to the national one?


  32. lobo91
    33 | October 7, 2013 7:12 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    People who are in the trades tend to be people who strongly support the Second Amendment.

    Remember, though, the bulk of union membership today is not in trades.

    It’s government employees and low-skilled SEIU types.


  33. Mars
    34 | October 7, 2013 7:12 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Most of the Unions make it to where members get a myriad of benefits from Big government, and I think that is what that is about. The Union is the livelyhood of the members,and they see the Democrats as more Union Friendly (which is definately true). OTOH, on the Policy front the Democrats run counter to the bulk of of the member’s wishes. Gun control is the big one. People who are in the trades tend to be people who strongly support the Second Amendmet. The Union vote as a whole is probably hostile to gun control. But they’ll keep voting Democrat even with the Democrats supporting policies that they detest.

    The unions are also hugely opposed to Obamacare. Apparently it puts their bosses cadillac plans in danger.


  34. Mars
    35 | October 7, 2013 7:14 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    The only thing preventing massive identity theft is the fact that so few people are actually able to log on to their crappy website.
    “The system worked”
    --Janet Napolitano

    And yet with so few sign ups they were able to lose a massive dump of personal info.

    I have to find the article again. Hold up a bit.


  35. 36 | October 7, 2013 7:14 pm

    Mars wrote:

    They won’t budge on Obamacare.

    I think that it is very interesting that Obama won’t allow the postponement of the individual Mandate, even though he waived the Employer Mandate for a year. I think that was a major political error. If the Republicans will run the ads telling the voter that Obama was willing to shut down the government rather than give you the same break that he’s given his cronies in Big Business, Unions, and such. That position is really indefensible. The Republicans ought to stick that one in Obama and break it off.


  36. brookly red
    37 | October 7, 2013 7:14 pm

    Mars wrote:

    The two state level teachers unions.) On that point just why the hell does a state need two teachers unions in addition to the national one?

    /kinda like asking why they need bloods AND crips..


  37. lobo91
    38 | October 7, 2013 7:15 pm

    @ Mars:

    The unions are also hugely opposed to Obamacare. Apparently it puts their bosses cadillac plans in danger.

    They’re just like that person who was quoted about the cost of Obamacare earlier: “I want everyone to have health insurance, but I didn’t think that I would personally have to pay for it” or something to that effect.


  38. Mars
    40 | October 7, 2013 7:16 pm

    http://www.startribune.com/business/223564521.html

    Ok, apparently this time it was Insurers personal info that was sent. I doubt that will be the case next time.


  39. lobo91
    41 | October 7, 2013 7:16 pm

    @ Mars:

    And yet with so few sign ups they were able to lose a massive dump of personal info.

    I have to find the article again. Hold up a bit.

    I believe that was personal info on insurance agents or something. It wasn’t people trying to sign up for Obamacare.


  40. Bumr50
    42 | October 7, 2013 7:17 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Probably thought they were simply going to steal it from Mitt Romney and the Koch. Bros., and then everything would be OK…


  41. brookly red
    43 | October 7, 2013 7:18 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:

    And yet with so few sign ups they were able to lose a massive dump of personal info.

    I have to find the article again. Hold up a bit.

    I believe that was personal info on insurance agents or something. It wasn’t people trying to sign up for Obamacare.

    LOL of course it was, why would you steal the identity of a deadbeat :)


  42. lobo91
    44 | October 7, 2013 7:19 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I think that it is very interesting that Obama won’t allow the postponement of the individual Mandate, even though he waived the Employer Mandate for a year. I think that was a major political error.

    It also pretty much makes the employer mandate irrelevant, if you think about it.

    If everyone has to sign up individually this year, who’s going to be left for employers to cover next year?


  43. 45 | October 7, 2013 7:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Remember, though, the bulk of union membership today is not in trades.
    It’s government employees and low-skilled SEIU types.

    You’re right. That wasn’t the way it was 20 years ago when there were lots more union workers as a whole than there are today. Unions aren’t really the powerhouse for the Democrats they used to be. Unions that break the back of their industry with outlandish salaries ($17 and hour to run as scroll saw?!? And that was about 23 years a go when I got the information on this particular guy. Still, that is ridiculous. Welders in the Boilermakers Union were making $18.75 an hou at about the same time, so you have a guy who does a job anybody with a little training can do making abut as much as a highly skilled man. I know that is part of the egalitarianism in action, but to me it sounds crazy. It makes sense to pay a guy who has superior welding skills a higher market value.


  44. Mars
    46 | October 7, 2013 7:22 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    They won’t budge on Obamacare.
    I think that it is very interesting that Obama won’t allow the postponement of the individual Mandate, even though he waived the Employer Mandate for a year. I think that was a major political error. If the Republicans will run the ads telling the voter that Obama was willing to shut down the government rather than give you the same break that he’s given his cronies in Big Business, Unions, and such. That position is really indefensible. The Republicans ought to stick that one in Obama and break it off.

    It is indefensible. I actually figured out why he won’t postpone the personal mandate last night while trying to sleep.

    If he keeps the individual mandate running, there is no purpose behind the employer mandate. According to their own rules, everyone has to be insured. So by the time the employer mandate kicks in everyone is (theoretically) insured so the employer mandate can be scrapped and the dems can continue to rake in the massive corporate donations.


  45. Mars
    47 | October 7, 2013 7:25 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Mars:
    And yet with so few sign ups they were able to lose a massive dump of personal info.
    I have to find the article again. Hold up a bit.
    I believe that was personal info on insurance agents or something. It wasn’t people trying to sign up for Obamacare.

    LOL of course it was, why would you steal the identity of a deadbeat

    Oh, they still want it. Many deadbeats are too lazy to go vote, so ACORN will be happy to relieve them of that problem. Can’t have the low numbers the messiah got last election you know.

    Believe me when it comes from the welfare deadbeat area I am on the inside so I know of what I speak. I also know about the voter registration tables that get put right outside the public assistance office right before elections. Plus the helpful people running them that will tell you exactly who to vote for.


  46. 48 | October 7, 2013 7:25 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    If everyone has to sign up individually this year, who’s going to be left for employers to cover next year?

    Good point. I didn’t think of that. Although with all the bugs they’ve encountered so far in the Exchanges it may not be possible to get that many workers to sign up. People will try until they say fuck it and forget about it, and pay the “tax”. I’ve seen that that fine can be as high as 5% of your income. That is a damned big tax, and like all taxes it will just go up.


  47. Mars
    49 | October 7, 2013 7:27 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Remember, though, the bulk of union membership today is not in trades.
    It’s government employees and low-skilled SEIU types.
    You’re right. That wasn’t the way it was 20 years ago when there were lots more union workers as a whole than there are today. Unions aren’t really the powerhouse for the Democrats they used to be. Unions that break the back of their industry with outlandish salaries ($17 and hour to run as scroll saw?!? And that was about 23 years a go when I got the information on this particular guy. Still, that is ridiculous. Welders in the Boilermakers Union were making $18.75 an hou at about the same time, so you have a guy who does a job anybody with a little training can do making abut as much as a highly skilled man. I know that is part of the egalitarianism in action, but to me it sounds crazy. It makes sense to pay a guy who has superior welding skills a higher market value.

    Well look what the unions did by refusing to work with Hostess/Sweetheart. Franz seems to be running things quite well around here without Union assistance, they even managed to get a couple of the Hostess thrift shops reopened.


  48. Mars
    50 | October 7, 2013 7:28 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I think that it is very interesting that Obama won’t allow the postponement of the individual Mandate, even though he waived the Employer Mandate for a year. I think that was a major political error.
    It also pretty much makes the employer mandate irrelevant, if you think about it.
    If everyone has to sign up individually this year, who’s going to be left for employers to cover next year?

    Beat me to it.


  49. Mars
    51 | October 7, 2013 7:29 pm

    Six Million To Pay ObamaCare Penalty, 69% of The youth (18-29) Polled Were Unaware They Had To Get Insurance
    Read more at http://investmentwatchblog.com/six-million-to-pay-obamacare-penalty-69-of-the-youth-18-29-polled-were-unaware-they-had-to-get-insurance/#zZ8o46KU89W5rie1.99


  50. Mars
    52 | October 7, 2013 7:30 pm

    In 2014, the penalty will be no more than $285 per family, or 1% of income, whichever is greater. In 2015, the cap rises to $975, or 2% of income. And by 2016, it reaches $2,085 per family, or 2.5% of income, whichever is greater.

    The dollar amounts for a single adult would be $95, $325 and $695 during that same time period.

    Read more at http://investmentwatchblog.com/six-million-to-pay-obamacare-penalty-69-of-the-youth-18-29-polled-were-unaware-they-had-to-get-insurance/#zZ8o46KU89W5rie1.99


  51. Mars
    53 | October 7, 2013 7:30 pm

    25% OF UNINSURED SAY PLAN TO STAY THAT WAY

    A new Gallup poll has found that 25 percent of today’s uninsured plan to stay that way.

    The poll, released on September 30, noted that two in three of those surveyed said they “planned” to get insurance rather than pay the small fine at the end of the year. The poll further found that under half intend to take advantage of the state or federal insurance exchanges when they are finally up and running.

    It should be noted that that this result was based on what people say they intend to do, not what they have actually done or are even in the process of doing.

    Statistics worsened in the important 18 to 29 age bracket. Sixty-nine percent of the youth demographic were unaware they were required to get health insurance by January 1, 2014. This is the age group that Obama is hoping will foot the bill for the rest of America.

    Read more at http://investmentwatchblog.com/six-million-to-pay-obamacare-penalty-69-of-the-youth-18-29-polled-were-unaware-they-had-to-get-insurance/#zZ8o46KU89W5rie1.99


  52. lobo91
    54 | October 7, 2013 7:31 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    People will try until they say fuck it and forget about it, and pay the “tax”. I’ve seen that that fine can be as high as 5% of your income. That is a damned big tax, and like all taxes it will just go up.

    yeah, everyone keeps mentioning a “$95″ fine.

    It’s $95 or 5% of your income, whichever is greater.

    And it goes up in succeeding years.


  53. 55 | October 7, 2013 7:32 pm

    @ Mars:

    Yeah, I am glad to see them reopening, this time without union workers. Now, they will almost undoubtably hire back some of the Union workers as non-union labor. OTOH, I don’t know if I’d want to hire former Union workers that voted for that strike, because they are troublemakers. In general you don’t favor having troublemakers on your staff.


  54. Mars
    56 | October 7, 2013 7:32 pm

    Well, I’m relieved. As long as I am receiving treatment from the VA I am exempt from this bullshit. Since my kids are on Medicaid I’m covered there.

    My ex wife, well that’s her problem not mine.

    Wish my mother was.


  55. lobo91
    57 | October 7, 2013 7:33 pm

    @ Mars:

    Sixty-nine percent of the youth demographic were unaware they were required to get health insurance by January 1, 2014. This is the age group that Obama is hoping will foot the bill for the rest of America.

    Coincidentally, the same group that put him in office.

    “Here’s your sign!”


  56. Mars
    58 | October 7, 2013 7:34 pm

    Good news for veterans who lack health care and fear they’ll have to buy insurance or pay a penalty under the Affordable Care Act: Enrollment in the Veterans Health Administration counts as being insured.

    Former troops who qualify for VA health care — including all who fall into the Veterans Affairs Department’s eight health care priority groups — do not have to buy insurance under the health care reform law’s individual mandate requirement.

    This includes veterans in Priority Group 8, often targeted for elimination by budget-cutters because it is for veterans who have no serviceconnected disabilities and have income and net worth that exceed VA thresholds.

    http://m14forum.com/veterans-affairs/120066-va-enrollees-exempt-obamacare.html

    I got my Obama exemption!

    /sorry just whistling in the graveyard.


  57. lobo91
    59 | October 7, 2013 7:35 pm

    @ Mars:

    Well, I’m relieved. As long as I am receiving treatment from the VA I am exempt from this bullshit

    Same here. I got a nice glossy mailer from the VA a week or two ago informing me of that fact.

    I’d rather have actual medical insurance, though.


  58. Mars
    60 | October 7, 2013 7:36 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    People will try until they say fuck it and forget about it, and pay the “tax”. I’ve seen that that fine can be as high as 5% of your income. That is a damned big tax, and like all taxes it will just go up.
    yeah, everyone keeps mentioning a “$95″ fine.
    It’s $95 or 5% of your income, whichever is greater.
    And it goes up in succeeding years.

    Check my #52, I guess those are the most recent numbers. Looking at the bill it looks like it is actually 1% not 5%.


  59. Mars
    61 | October 7, 2013 7:37 pm

    Full List of Obamacare Tax Hikes: Listed by Size of Tax Hike
    Obamacare law contains 20 new or higher taxes on American families and small businesses

    WASHINGTON, DC — Obamacare contains 20 new or higher taxes on American families and small businesses. Arranged by their respective sizes according to CBO scores, below is the total list of all $500 billion-plus in tax hikes (over the next ten years) in Obamacare, their effective dates, and where to find them in the bill.

    $123 Billion: Surtax on Investment Income (Takes effect Jan. 2013): A new, 3.8 percent surtax on investment income earned in households making at least $250,000 ($200,000 single). This would result in the following top tax rates on investment income:

    Capital Gains

    Dividends

    Other*

    2012

    15%

    15%

    35%

    2013+

    23.8%

    43.4%

    43.4%

    *Other unearned income includes (for surtax purposes) gross income from interest, annuities, royalties, net rents, and passive income in partnerships and Subchapter-S corporations. It does not include municipal bond interest or life insurance proceeds, since those do not add to gross income. It does not include active trade or business income, fair market value sales of ownership in pass-through entities, or distributions from retirement plans. The 3.8% surtax does not apply to non-resident aliens. (Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 87-93)

    $86 Billion: Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax (Takes effect Jan. 2013): Current law and changes:

    First $200,000
    ($250,000 Married)
    Employer/Employee

    All Remaining Wages
    Employer/Employee

    Current Law

    1.45%/1.45%
    2.9% self-employed

    1.45%/1.45%
    2.9% self-employed

    Obamacare Tax Hike

    1.45%/1.45%
    2.9% self-employed

    1.45%/2.35%
    3.8% self-employed

    Bill: PPACA, Reconciliation Act; Page: 2000-2003; 87-93

    $65 Billion: Individual Mandate Excise Tax and Employer Mandate Tax (Both taxes take effect Jan. 2014):

    Individual: Anyone not buying “qualifying” health insurance as defined by Obama-appointed HHS bureaucrats must pay an income surtax according to the higher of the following

    1 Adult

    2 Adults

    3+ Adults

    2014

    1% AGI/$95

    1% AGI/$190

    1% AGI/$285

    2015

    2% AGI/$325

    2% AGI/$650

    2% AGI/$975

    2016 +

    2.5% AGI/$695

    2.5% AGI/$1390

    2.5% AGI/$2085

    Exemptions for religious objectors, undocumented immigrants, prisoners, those earning less than the poverty line, members of Indian tribes, and hardship cases (determined by HHS). Bill: PPACA; Page: 317-337

    Employer: If an employer does not offer health coverage, and at least one employee qualifies for a health tax credit, the employer must pay an additional non-deductible tax of $2000 for all full-time employees. Applies to all employers with 50 or more employees. If any employee actually receives coverage through the exchange, the penalty on the employer for that employee rises to $3000. If the employer requires a waiting period to enroll in coverage of 30-60 days, there is a $400 tax per employee ($600 if the period is 60 days or longer). Bill: PPACA; Page: 345-346

    (Combined score of individual and employer mandate tax penalty: $65 billion)

    $60.1 Billion: Tax on Health Insurers (Takes effect Jan. 2014): Annual tax on the industry imposed relative to health insurance premiums collected that year. Phases in gradually until 2018. Fully-imposed on firms with $50 million in profits. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,986-1,993

    $32 Billion: Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans (Takes effect Jan. 2018): Starting in 2018, new 40 percent excise tax on “Cadillac” health insurance plans ($10,200 single/$27,500 family). Higher threshold ($11,500 single/$29,450 family) for early retirees and high-risk professions. CPI +1 percentage point indexed. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,941-1,956

    $23.6 Billion: “Black liquor” tax hike (Took effect in 2010) This is a tax increase on a type of bio-fuel. Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 105

    $22.2 Billion: Tax on Innovator Drug Companies (Took effect in 2010): $2.3 billion annual tax on the industry imposed relative to share of sales made that year. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,971-1,980

    $20 Billion: Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers (Takes effect Jan. 2013): Medical device manufacturers employ 360,000 people in 6000 plants across the country. This law imposes a new 2.3% excise tax. Exempts items retailing for <$100. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,980-1,986

    $15.2 Billion: High Medical Bills Tax (Takes effect Jan 1. 2013): Currently, those facing high medical expenses are allowed a deduction for medical expenses to the extent that those expenses exceed 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income (AGI). The new provision imposes a threshold of 10 percent of AGI. Waived for 65+ taxpayers in 2013-2016 only. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,994-1,995

    $13.2 Billion: Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka “Special Needs Kids Tax” (Takes effect Jan. 2013): Imposes cap on FSAs of $2500 (now unlimited). Indexed to inflation after 2013. There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,388-2,389

    $5 Billion: Medicine Cabinet Tax (Took effect Jan. 2011): Americans no longer able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin). Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,957-1,959

    $4.5 Billion: Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D (Takes effect Jan. 2013) Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,994

    $4.5 Billion: Codification of the “economic substance doctrine” (Took effect in 2010): This provision allows the IRS to disallow completely-legal tax deductions and other legal tax-minimizing plans just because the IRS deems that the action lacks “substance” and is merely intended to reduce taxes owed. Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 108-113

    $2.7 Billion: Tax on Indoor Tanning Services (Took effect July 1, 2010): New 10 percent excise tax on Americans using indoor tanning salons. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,397-2,399

    $1.4 Billion: HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike (Took effect Jan. 2011): Increases additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,959

    $0.6 Billion: $500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives (Takes effect Jan. 2013): Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,995-2,000

    $0.4 Billion: Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike (Took effect in 2010): The special tax deduction in current law for Blue Cross/Blue Shield companies would only be allowed if 85 percent or more of premium revenues are spent on clinical services. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,004

    $ Negligible: Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals (Took effect in 2010): $50,000 per hospital if they fail to meet new "community health assessment needs," "financial assistance," and "billing and collection" rules set by HHS. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,961-1,971

    $ Negligible: Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2 (Took effect in Jan. 2012): Preamble to taxing health benefits on individual tax returns. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,957

    Read more: http://atr.org/full-list-obamacare-tax-hikes-listed-a7010#ixzz2h5AiSmeo
    Follow us: @taxreformer on Twitter
    Of course the individual penalty doesn’t take the rest of this list in account.


  60. lobo91
    62 | October 7, 2013 7:38 pm

    @ Mars:

    Whatever it is, it’ll be more than $95


  61. 63 | October 7, 2013 7:38 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Figures. When the RINO Don Sundquist was trying to pressure us to have an income tax part of the arguement was that it would be a very small income tax. 2% IIRC. The people of Tennessee said “Hell, no!” They actually went down to down town Nashville and drove around the capital building constantly for days to indicate their opposition to the law. I truly believe that if they had voted in the income tax some of the legislators would have been hanged. NOt figuratively hanged, but assembling a hanging with a piece of stout hemp rope and a light pole.


  62. Mars
    64 | October 7, 2013 7:39 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Well, I’m relieved. As long as I am receiving treatment from the VA I am exempt from this bullshit
    Same here. I got a nice glossy mailer from the VA a week or two ago informing me of that fact.
    I’d rather have actual medical insurance, though.

    VA didn’t send me one of those. I had to find out by searching the internet.

    However, they did inform me last week that they finally renewed my Chiropractic, starting on 9/13/13

    Ok, so I could have gone to the chiropractor back when my back seized up last month, but I didn’t get the authorization until the first week of October. Thanks VA.


  63. Mars
    65 | October 7, 2013 7:40 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Whatever it is, it’ll be more than $95

    Yep, and it gets worse and worse and worse. By the third year it’s unaffordable to everyone.


  64. Mars
    66 | October 7, 2013 7:41 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Figures. When the RINO Don Sundquist was trying to pressure us to have an income tax part of the arguement was that it would be a very small income tax. 2% IIRC. The people of Tennessee said “Hell, no!” They actually went down to down town Nashville and drove around the capital building constantly for days to indicate their opposition to the law. I truly believe that if they had voted in the income tax some of the legislators would have been hanged. NOt figuratively hanged, but assembling a hanging with a piece of stout hemp rope and a light pole.

    I’m almost to the point in wanting to see this group of fascists dealt with in the same way the Italians took care of their fascist problem.

    Not yet condoning that kind of thing, but dammit how many people have to be destroyed by these bastards.


  65. lobo91
    67 | October 7, 2013 7:41 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    That’s what they said when they passed the 16th Amendment, too. Hardly anyone had to pay, and it was only a small percentage.

    Same thing happened with the AMT. It only affected a few hundred people when it went into effect. Now it’s tens of millions.


  66. lobo91
    68 | October 7, 2013 7:44 pm

    Mars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Mars:
    Whatever it is, it’ll be more than $95
    Yep, and it gets worse and worse and worse. By the third year it’s unaffordable to everyone.

    Which is the reason that the idea that Republicans should just stand back and let it fail is so bad.

    Yes, I suppose it would gain them a few political points (although I’m sure the Dems and the MSM would figure out a way to blame them for it) but at what cost?


  67. 69 | October 7, 2013 7:45 pm

    Mars wrote:

    By the third year it’s unaffordable to everyone.

    That is by design. Their intent is to bankrupt private health insurers. “Taxing” someone who doesn’t buy health insurance is a punative measure that will do nothing to makehealthcare more affordable. What it’ll do is take money out of the pockets of the poor (rich people have health insurance, and they have the wherewithal to pay for it). to redistribute it back in subsidies for the upper lower class and lower (possibly even mid) Middle class.


  68. Mars
    70 | October 7, 2013 7:46 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Mars:
    Whatever it is, it’ll be more than $95
    Yep, and it gets worse and worse and worse. By the third year it’s unaffordable to everyone.
    Which is the reason that the idea that Republicans should just stand back and let it fail is so bad.
    Yes, I suppose it would gain them a few political points (although I’m sure the Dems and the MSM would figure out a way to blame them for it) but at what cost?

    Thank you. I thought I was the only one. I admit that the only reason I am on this like you are is because it affects someone in my own family. But, allowing this to continue is so malicious and destructive, I don’t want any part of supporting it.


  69. brookly red
    71 | October 7, 2013 7:48 pm

    I thank God I have a job…


  70. Mars
    72 | October 7, 2013 7:48 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    By the third year it’s unaffordable to everyone.
    That is by design. Their intent is to bankrupt private health insurers. “Taxing” someone who doesn’t buy health insurance is a punative measure that will do nothing to makehealthcare more affordable. What it’ll do is take money out of the pockets of the poor (rich people have health insurance, and they have the wherewithal to pay for it). to redistribute it back in subsidies for the upper lower class and lower (possibly even mid) Middle class.

    I can’t believe everyone can’t see the design here.

    We’re offering insurance to people who can’t afford it at rates and deductibles they can’t afford and if they don’t get it, we hit them with a fine they can’t afford. If there was an actual press in this country this would be HUGE news.


  71. lobo91
    73 | October 7, 2013 7:50 pm

    @ Mars:

    But, allowing this to continue is so malicious and destructive, I don’t want any part of supporting it.

    Like most everything else, the left is actually doing what they claim conservatives want to do. Every day this mess is left in operation, more people are going to be pushed into poverty, lose their homes, and yes, even die as a result.


  72. 74 | October 7, 2013 7:53 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Yeah, I almost got into the alternative minimum tax range, and I don’t make that much. I am certainly not one of the “rich” that the AMT was created to make pay their “fair share”. My taxes are the single biggest bill I pay on a monthly basis. It i smore than my house payment, my car payment, or even my healthcare insurance (something I pay about $800 a month for, but that includes half a million in life insurance that I was able to get even though I am a diabetic). Taxes always go up. When Reagan did his tax reform, they broadened the tax base (i.e. taxing more things) while cutting the tax rate. The economy took off, and they were getting more revenue than they were with the exhorbitant tax rates. Same i strue of Bush’s tax cut, except that they cut revenue at first and made up the difference by borrowing the money. That isn’t real fiscal discipline.


  73. lobo91
    75 | October 7, 2013 7:53 pm

    @ Mars:

    We’re offering insurance to people who can’t afford it at rates and deductibles they can’t afford and if they don’t get it, we hit them with a fine they can’t afford.

    And since the IRS is in charge of it, they will get their money, one way or another.

    People may say “I won’t comply” now, but they’re in for a rude awakening. The IRS can, and will, take everything you own, at gunpoint if necessary. I’ve seen them in action. The Gestapo would be proud.


  74. Mars
    76 | October 7, 2013 7:53 pm

    @ lobo91:
    We should have an ad called Giving Granny A Push.

    But, no our side just can’t go that far.

    The ad I posted above is pretty good, but it just isn’t as effective as the dems nasty ads.


  75. brookly red
    77 | October 7, 2013 7:53 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    By the third year it’s unaffordable to everyone.
    That is by design. Their intent is to bankrupt private health insurers. “Taxing” someone who doesn’t buy health insurance is a punative measure that will do nothing to makehealthcare more affordable. What it’ll do is take money out of the pockets of the poor (rich people have health insurance, and they have the wherewithal to pay for it). to redistribute it back in subsidies for the upper lower class and lower (possibly even mid) Middle class.

    I can’t believe everyone can’t see the design here.

    We’re offering insurance to people who can’t afford it at rates and deductibles they can’t afford and if they don’t get it, we hit them with a fine they can’t afford. If there was an actual press in this country this would be HUGE news.

    well no one is paying attention, I think we are going to have to let it happen and pick up the pieces afterwards.


  76. Mars
    78 | October 7, 2013 7:55 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    We’re offering insurance to people who can’t afford it at rates and deductibles they can’t afford and if they don’t get it, we hit them with a fine they can’t afford.
    And since the IRS is in charge of it, they will get their money, one way or another.
    People may say “I won’t comply” now, but they’re in for a rude awakening. The IRS can, and will, take everything you own, at gunpoint if necessary. I’ve seen them in action. The Gestapo would be proud.

    The IRS should be shut down until they can answer some simple questions about how they profile people and groups. And then they should be shut down.


  77. RIX
    79 | October 7, 2013 7:56 pm

    @ Mars:
    David Sirato mis a Democrats Democrat.


  78. Mars
    80 | October 7, 2013 7:57 pm

    I’ve been sounding the alarm for a while now that the dems are bringing back the debtors prisons.


  79. Mars
    81 | October 7, 2013 7:58 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Mars:
    David Sirato mis a Democrats Democrat.

    And may have had a questionable relationship with Soros. A little peon nobody sure got a lot of primo gigs from a sick old man.


  80. 82 | October 7, 2013 8:01 pm

    Mars wrote:

    We’re offering insurance to people who can’t afford it at rates and deductibles they can’t afford and if they don’t get it, we hit them with a fine they can’t afford. If there was an actual press in this country this would be HUGE news.

    Exactly. What we had was working for about 85% of the population. In the name fo helping that 15%, they want to completely overhaul the entire system for everybody into something that nobody likes. This is, in fact, true socialism in action. The intent of Socialists is to always make things worse. They want things as intolerable as possible, because when the people get frustrated and hopeless enough they’ll accept the violent revolution that will propel the “Revolutionary Vangard” (i.e. the Socialists themselves) into the position of dictators. Their intent is to produce a totalitarian system., I studied communism under a real communist true-believer, and he was honest about that. He considered it a case where the end was worth the means. Socialists have different first principles than we do. Individual freedom means nothing to the Socialists. Equality is the only goal that matters to them. And that is the equality where some are more equal than others.


  81. RIX
    84 | October 7, 2013 8:06 pm

    Mars wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ Mars:
    David Sirato mis a Democrats Democrat.

    And may have had a questionable relationship with Soros. A little peon nobody sure got a lot of primo gigs from a sick old man.

    Soros is an evil genius. Even more evil than genius.


  82. 85 | October 7, 2013 8:07 pm

    Mars wrote:

    But, no our side just can’t go that far.

    And that may cost us the entire shooting match. You have to meet the enemy on the field using weapons that are as powerful as the weapons of the enemy. You can’t win a fight if you choose to fight nice while the enemy fights to win. Politics is War. The Democrats get that, and they fight scorched earth. We either refuse to believe this or simply refuse to tdo what it takes to win if we do know that. Politics is like a knife fight. You get down in the dirt and fight like hell.


  83. Mars
    86 | October 7, 2013 8:11 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    IRS loses $67 million out of billion-dollar ObamaCare slush fund

    Already have it above in the body of the post.


  84. Mars
    87 | October 7, 2013 8:12 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    @ Mars:
    David Sirato mis a Democrats Democrat.
    And may have had a questionable relationship with Soros. A little peon nobody sure got a lot of primo gigs from a sick old man.

    Soros is an evil genius. Even more evil than genius.

    Yep.


  85. RIX
    88 | October 7, 2013 8:13 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    And the thing is, the Republicans don’t have to lie likeDemocrats do to fight back.
    The truth is deadly, if they will just use their own words against them.


  86. lobo91
    89 | October 7, 2013 8:15 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Juan Williams is on O’Reilly right now claiming that what they’re doing is “morally correct.”

    Of course, he’s citing some bullshit statistic that 80% of Americans will see no change to their insurance.


  87. lobo91
    90 | October 7, 2013 8:17 pm

    O’Reilly just asked Mary Katherine Ham if the Dems knew about all the screwed up things that were going to happen.

    “A lot of them, yeah, they were just too stupid to understand, but the rest they did”


  88. Mars
    91 | October 7, 2013 8:17 pm

    WTF I just saw an ad for broadcast television. With emphasis on news. The Broadcast networks are now advertising for themselves. They also claim more people get news from the networks than any other media combined.


  89. RIX
    92 | October 7, 2013 8:19 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    Juan Williams is on O’Reilly right now claiming that what they’re doing is “morally correct.”

    Of course, he’s citing some bullshit statistic that 80% of Americans will see no change to their insurance.

    From some Prof from MIT. Williams called it a fact.


  90. brookly red
    93 | October 7, 2013 8:19 pm

    Mars wrote:

    WTF I just saw an ad for broadcast television. With emphasis on news. The Broadcast networks are now advertising for themselves. They also claim more people get news from the networks than any other media combined.

    somehow I doubt that…

    VISITS TO DRUDGE 10/08/13

    021,705,996 PAST 24 HOURS
    910,568,162 PAST 31 DAYS
    11,579,494,513 PAST YEAR


  91. lobo91
    94 | October 7, 2013 8:21 pm

    I wonder if Fox News provides coverage for inpatient mental health care for its contributors? If so, Williams needs to make use of it.

    He just compared people whose insurance premiums are going up massively to troops being deployed to fight in Afghanistan.

    They have to sacrifice “for the greater good.”


  92. lobo91
    95 | October 7, 2013 8:22 pm

    @ RIX:

    From some Prof from MIT. Williams called it a fact.

    I caught that.

    Someone needs to point out to him that something that hasn’t happened yet can’t be a “fact.”

    At best, it’s a prediction.


  93. Mars
    96 | October 7, 2013 8:23 pm

    They have to sacrifice “for the greater good.”

    And there it is. The liberal mantra.


  94. brookly red
    97 | October 7, 2013 8:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    Juan Williams is on O’Reilly right now claiming that what they’re doing is “morally correct.”

    Of course, he’s citing some bullshit statistic that 80% of Americans will see no change to their insurance.

    we are starting to look like soviet russia just before the fall… they lost georgia, i wounder if we can keep texas?


  95. RIX
    98 | October 7, 2013 8:24 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Juan is all about Obama. I guess its a Black thing.


  96. brookly red
    99 | October 7, 2013 8:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    They have to sacrifice “for the greater good.”

    Pelosie’s mansion would make a nice homeless shelter…


  97. lobo91
    100 | October 7, 2013 8:27 pm

    @ brookly red:

    we are starting to look like soviet russia just before the fall… they lost georgia, i wounder if we can keep texas?

    That reminds me of when the Russians invaded Georgia a few years back. I was sitting in a hotel room someplace at the time, so I was stuck watching CNN.

    They showed a graphic of the state of Georgia when they reported it. Had Atlanta highlighted and everything.


  98. RIX
    101 | October 7, 2013 8:30 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    From some Prof from MIT. Williams called it a fact.

    I caught that.

    Someone needs to point out to him that something that hasn’t happened yet can’t be a “fact.”

    At best, it’s a prediction.

    How about if you like your coverage you can keep it, Or, if you like your doctor, you can keep him”?
    all just bull.


  99. lobo91
    102 | October 7, 2013 8:31 pm

    The first story the NY Times ran about Clinton signing off on the Medal of Honor for Teddy Roosevelt said that it was for his actions at the battle of San Juan Hill, Puerto Rico.

    And we wonder why Americans are so badly informed…


  100. Mars
    103 | October 7, 2013 8:33 pm

    There was a guy on Rush today detailing that the Republicans need to do better at educating the masses about what is really going on and who is really doing what.

    I was nodding along and then had to hear Rush brush it all off as just PR stuff.

    He’s really falling in hard with the party elites now isn’t he.


  101. brookly red
    104 | October 7, 2013 8:36 pm

    America has been a nice quiet place for some time because everybody had enough. I guess those times are about over.


  102. brookly red
    105 | October 7, 2013 8:39 pm

    Mars wrote:

    There was a guy on Rush today detailing that the Republicans need to do better at educating the masses about what is really going on and who is really doing what.

    honestly the “masses” know what is going on, the same thing that has gone on since day one… it always ends the same way.


  103. Mars
    106 | October 7, 2013 8:40 pm

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-live/2013/10/king-wont-sign-discharge-petition-174377.html
    Wow, Pete King has become a real piece of work. You know reading this that he’s desperate to sign something to get him out of this “situation” as he sees it.


  104. Bumr50
    107 | October 7, 2013 8:41 pm

    @ Mars:

    Yet another person feeling the landscape shifting under him and not liking it, IMHO.

    It’s pretty much at epidemic levels among old guard GOPers.

    Rush, to his credit, has been at least somewhat adaptable.

    He hates Twitter, I know that. And I’ve heard others opine the same way. You don’t have to LIKE it, but for heaven’s sake don’t dismiss it as irrelevant.

    Some people have a GREAT affinity for “the way things have always been.”

    I’m not lumping Rush in with McRINO at all as far as, well, most everything else is concerned, but I believe the principle at work is the same.

    I listen to him a decent amount, and he’s been fairly critical of the party mandarins for HIM recently.


  105. Mars
    108 | October 7, 2013 8:45 pm

    Sorry for linking politico, that place is no better than KOS or DU anymore.

    The comments section is like a slice of an alternate universe. Take this for example.

    Mentallect
    • a day ago

    GOP race to the bottom.
    99 4

    Reply

    Share ›

    Avatar
    nutjob2 Mentallect
    • 18 hours ago

    And just when you think they’ve finally reached it, they find a way to reach an even lower plane.
    37 2

    Reply

    Share ›
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    freestate nutjob2
    • 16 hours ago

    The 1st Rule of Holes:
    When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

    The GOP has not yet mastered this.
    31 2

    Reply

    Share ›
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    nutjob2 freestate
    • 14 hours ago

    They’re trying to reach China. They get off on Authoritarian government.
    17 2

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    Cruz-teapartyanchorbaby nutjob2
    • 9 hours ago

    Sure they are going to get the Mythical missing white vote…. Lower educated poor white people who are hurt by the GOP…. Good luck with that GOP… I am sure the GOP is out with voter fraud natin sprawl registering dead people to vote. Going into nursing homes and “helping” life long democrats switch parties and vote since they are unable..

    Total opposite of reality. This is sick. Their party is proud of their authoritarian behavior, their party is the party of voter fraud, but he lets just throw complete bullshit out there and get cheered on by your comrades.

    God liberals are scum. And just plain evil.


  106. Mars
    109 | October 7, 2013 8:48 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Yet another person feeling the landscape shifting under him and not liking it, IMHO.
    It’s pretty much at epidemic levels among old guard GOPers.
    Rush, to his credit, has been at least somewhat adaptable.
    He hates Twitter, I know that. And I’ve heard others opine the same way. You don’t have to LIKE it, but for heaven’s sake don’t dismiss it as irrelevant.
    Some people have a GREAT affinity for “the way things have always been.”
    I’m not lumping Rush in with McRINO at all as far as, well, most everything else is concerned, but I believe the principle at work is the same.
    I listen to him a decent amount, and he’s been fairly critical of the party mandarins for HIM recently.

    I’ve heard him too. He just kind of pissed me off today. The guy who called had some really valid points. He said we need to confront liberal lies point by point. We need to meet their ads with the truth. We need to answer their slander and not let it slide.

    Then Rush just kinda blew him off. However, he did end it by saying the Republicans would claim they are already doing all of that, but they media won’t air it.

    (That excuse works to a degree, but I don’t think the networks and such are denying commercial airtime, especially with advertising revenue at such a low point.)


  107. Mars
    110 | October 7, 2013 8:54 pm

    Interesting battle in AL. (As politico spins it at least) On one hand you have an authoritarian moralistic crusader made completely designed after the liberal stereotype of what a conservative is. He’s everything AUH2O rails about. Even supported by Sharon Angel and Judge Moore (who he used to work for.) On the other side you have a guy who was a democrat until 97 that wants to expand the base and appeal to everyone but just comes off as a wishy washy McCain type.

    Is this really what politics on our side has come down to? Or is this another case of Politico perpetuating republican stereotypes?


  108. coldwarrior
    111 | October 7, 2013 8:54 pm

    @ Mars:

    then buy ads in local markets where the education will work

    easy.


  109. Mars
    112 | October 7, 2013 8:56 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Mars:
    then buy ads in local markets where the education will work
    easy.

    That’s what I would think, but I just don’t see it.

    Instead I see a Montana station tonight running a campaign ad against Liz Cheney a full year ahead of the election. Seriously even though its a special interest group is this seriously the best use of their money?

    (Honestly couldn’t tell if it was a conservative or liberal group. They were attacking her for taking both sides of the gay marriage debate. Not a clue what side they were on.)


  110. Mars
    113 | October 7, 2013 8:57 pm

    Mars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ Mars:
    then buy ads in local markets where the education will work
    easy.

    That’s what I would think, but I just don’t see it.
    Instead I see a Montana station tonight running a campaign ad against Liz Cheney a full year ahead of the election. Seriously even though its a special interest group is this seriously the best use of their money?
    (Honestly couldn’t tell if it was a conservative or liberal group. They were attacking her for taking both sides of the gay marriage debate. Not a clue what side they were on.)

    Oh and it’s a Wyoming ad and campaign but we service northern wyoming so I guess that works.


  111. Bumr50
    114 | October 7, 2013 9:02 pm

    @ Mars:

    *sigh*

    “Ours,” no doubt…


  112. Mars
    115 | October 7, 2013 9:04 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    *sigh*
    “Ours,” no doubt…

    The sheer stupidity and waste makes me lean that way myself.


  113. Mars
    116 | October 7, 2013 9:06 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:
    @ Mars:
    *sigh*
    “Ours,” no doubt…

    The sheer stupidity and waste makes me lean that way myself.

    Yeah it’s ours. The toad at the swamp picked up on it last night.

    (Of course he just posted a huffington post article instead of doing his own work.) I do that too, but I don’t claim to be the great god of all bloggers.


  114. Mars
    117 | October 7, 2013 9:08 pm

    I can’t get more info. All the links lead to sites I’ve boycotted.


  115. coldwarrior
    118 | October 7, 2013 9:12 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I can’t get more info. All the links lead to sites I’ve boycotted.

    i boycott nothing. info and intel are commodities like anything else.

    i will, however BUYCOTT.


  116. coldwarrior
    119 | October 7, 2013 9:13 pm

    jeeze…3 days on 2 off 4 on…now onto a long weekend.


  117. Mars
    120 | October 7, 2013 9:14 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    I can’t get more info. All the links lead to sites I’ve boycotted.

    i boycott nothing. info and intel are commodities like anything else.
    i will, however BUYCOTT.

    I don’t intentionally dip my toes in the sewer. LGF, Kos, Huffpo, and related sites are completely off limits to me.


  118. coldwarrior
    121 | October 7, 2013 9:14 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    jeeze…3 days on 2 off 4 on…now onto a long weekend.

    and ONE lagunitas IPA down!

    (thx bumr)


  119. Bumr50
    122 | October 7, 2013 9:17 pm

    @ Mars:

    All you had to do was describe the ad, and I knew.

    Not only did some “conservative” group spend money on the ad, they’re actually SAVING the Democrats money by virtue of them not having to run an ad at all.

    CLASSIC Republican stupidity at it’s finest.


  120. coldwarrior
    123 | October 7, 2013 9:18 pm

    @ Mars:

    there is propaganda and true believers/liars on both sides. knowing how to weight the info and use it is what counts.


  121. Bumr50
    124 | October 7, 2013 9:18 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Enjoy and have a nice rest!


  122. coldwarrior
    125 | October 7, 2013 9:18 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    CLASSIC Republican stupidity at it’s finest.

    what do you expect?


  123. coldwarrior
    126 | October 7, 2013 9:19 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Enjoy and have a nice rest!

    ok, if i HAVE to.

    :lol:


  124. Mars
    127 | October 7, 2013 9:26 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    All you had to do was describe the ad, and I knew.
    Not only did some “conservative” group spend money on the ad, they’re actually SAVING the Democrats money by virtue of them not having to run an ad at all.
    CLASSIC Republican stupidity at it’s finest.

    It’s apparently some Hedge Fund owner and “conservative donor” behind the thing.

    Wyoming the ad might fly. It’s still a very conservative state and pretty morally straight up.

    But, I lean a little toward AUH2O’s opinion on these moralizers. It’s really irritating. I think having an opinion is fine, but when you start to make it sound like you are going to impose your ideas on everyone else than you are no better than the dems.

    And what else does this guy want Liz to do? She already alienated herself from her sister for her political ambition. I will agree that her appearing on MSNBC was bullshit. No conservative should appear there unless they plan on talking over the lunatic on the other side and getting their point of view across no matter what.

    (Sorry, I have a lot of respect for her dad from my years in Wyoming, but I hate political dynasties and want them to die.)


  125. coldwarrior
    128 | October 7, 2013 9:30 pm

    2 down!

    :lol:


  126. Bumr50
    129 | October 7, 2013 9:33 pm

    @ Mars:

    Let’s take stock:

    The proverbial sky is falling. The dictator in the White House is closing the sides of roads so people can’t look at mountains. Closing the ocean. Closing the AUTUMN LEAVES.

    The Obamacare rollout is an unmitgated disaster, even for them.

    People are losing work hours, having their health care premiums triple all over the place, and deductibles quadrupling.

    65% “part-time” workforce.

    What should we do?

    I know!! Let’s run an ad showing everyone how GAY that damn Liz Cheney is!!

    ///

    It’s unreal, but sadly as predictable as the sunrise anymore.


  127. coldwarrior
    130 | October 7, 2013 9:35 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Let’s take stock:
    The proverbial sky is falling. The dictator in the White House is closing the sides of roads so people can’t look at mountains. Closing the ocean. Closing the AUTUMN LEAVES.
    The Obamacare rollout is an unmitgated disaster, even for them.
    People are losing work hours, having their health care premiums triple all over the place, and deductibles quadrupling.
    65% “part-time” workforce.
    What should we do?
    I know!! Let’s run an ad showing everyone how GAY that damn Liz Cheney is!!
    ///
    It’s unreal, but sadly as predictable as the sunrise anymore.

    you immoral, evil, anti-GAWD tool of the progressive left! how DARE YOU!

    :lol:

    yeah…been there. seriously, i am just about ready for a 3rd party. i quit funding stoopid a few years ago. now i keep it local.


  128. Mars
    131 | October 7, 2013 9:36 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    Agreed. This guy makes me wonder how many people we have on our side that are just liberal plants. Nah, never credit maliciousness when stupidity is so prevalent.


  129. huckfunn
    132 | October 7, 2013 9:36 pm

    Great margaritas at Wahoo’s in downtown Denver. Anyone wanna join me?


  130. coldwarrior
    133 | October 7, 2013 9:38 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Great margaritas at Wahoo’s in downtown Denver. Anyone wanna join me?

    if i left right now….

    :lol:


  131. lobo91
    134 | October 7, 2013 9:38 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Great margaritas at Wahoo’s in downtown Denver. Anyone wanna join me?

    I would, but I have a class in the morning.


  132. huckfunn
    135 | October 7, 2013 9:39 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ lobo91:
    I’m holding 2 chairs… (hic) or are they holding me?


  133. Mars
    137 | October 7, 2013 9:40 pm

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/republican-identity-alabama-1st-district-97908.html?ml=po_r

    Here, you guys read this. Who looks electable? I don’t think it’s just the spin by politico. There’s something about the “tea party” guy that just doesn’t sit right with me.


  134. RIX
    138 | October 7, 2013 9:41 pm

    @ Mars:
    Although I would like to see Mark Levin on MSNBC, particularly on Sharpton.
    Levin would bury him & it would be funny.


  135. Mars
    139 | October 7, 2013 9:41 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:
    Great margaritas at Wahoo’s in downtown Denver. Anyone wanna join me?

    if i left right now….

    Sorry 13 hours out and I have the kids and am housesitting.


  136. Mars
    140 | October 7, 2013 9:41 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Although I would like to see Mark Levin on MSNBC, particularly on Sharpton.
    Levin would bury him & it would be funny.

    OMG the image. Lol.


  137. coldwarrior
    141 | October 7, 2013 9:43 pm

    Mars wrote:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/republican-identity-alabama-1st-district-97908.html?ml=po_r
    Here, you guys read this. Who looks electable? I don’t think it’s just the spin by politico. There’s something about the “tea party” guy that just doesn’t sit right with me.

    D1 in bama is a lock, so i aint sweating that one too much.

    i just hope the ‘bomb thrower’ doesnt throw any ammo over to the enemy a la ‘legitimate rape’ et cetera


  138. Mars
    142 | October 7, 2013 9:46 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/republican-identity-alabama-1st-district-97908.html?ml=po_r
    Here, you guys read this. Who looks electable? I don’t think it’s just the spin by politico. There’s something about the “tea party” guy that just doesn’t sit right with me.

    D1 in bama is a lock, so i aint sweating that one too much.
    i just hope the ‘bomb thrower’ doesnt throw any ammo over to the enemy a la ‘legitimate rape’ et cetera

    Don’t know, his “pretending to be married” comment doesn’t fly well in the current climate. Probably ok in AL, but other parts of the country are trying to be sensitive and understanding. I hate sensitive and understanding.


  139. RIX
    143 | October 7, 2013 9:49 pm

    Mars wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Although I would like to see Mark Levin on MSNBC, particularly on Sharpton.
    Levin would bury him & it would be funny.

    OMG the image. Lol.

    It would be great. Sharptons shouting would not impress Levin


  140. coldwarrior
    144 | October 7, 2013 9:50 pm

    fat beagle brewery’s Princess Sofia’a Brave Kilt Scottish Export Ale is ready!

    WOW!


  141. Mars
    145 | October 7, 2013 9:50 pm

    I wish AUH2O was here. This is actually the kind of thing he’s been looking for. Here’s two exact examples of what he’s been railing at. Though this stuff isn’t endemic of conservatives or the republican party, it needs called out and beat down when it is discovered. It’s possible to have morals without being authoritarian.


  142. coldwarrior
    146 | October 7, 2013 9:51 pm

    @ Mars:

    not too many folks give a flying rats patoot about the gay thing. most are too scared about losing thier jobs and houses.

    let the states decide


  143. coldwarrior
    147 | October 7, 2013 9:52 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I wish AUH2O was here. This is actually the kind of thing he’s been looking for. Here’s two exact examples of what he’s been railing at. Though this stuff isn’t endemic of conservatives or the republican party, it needs called out and beat down when it is discovered. It’s possible to have morals without being authoritarian.

    dont worry, i talk to him every day


  144. coldwarrior
    148 | October 7, 2013 9:52 pm

    Mars wrote:

    It’s possible to have morals without being authoritarian.

    sure is. i live it every day.


  145. Mars
    149 | October 7, 2013 9:53 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Mars:
    not too many folks give a flying rats patoot about the gay thing. most are too scared about losing thier jobs and houses.
    let the states decide

    I have to agree there. I think 90% of the issues in our country should be states issues. We’ve ceded far too much to the federals.


  146. Bumr50
    150 | October 7, 2013 9:53 pm

    @ Mars:
    @ Mars:

    For the “TEA party guy” he sure doesn’t talk much about taxes.

    Are you speculating that he may be a plant with all of the vile rhetoric he’s spewing?

    At face value, he sounds like an unhinged lunatic. He’s like an SNL parody of a “TEA Partier.”


  147. Mars
    151 | October 7, 2013 9:54 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    It’s possible to have morals without being authoritarian.
    sure is. i live it every day.

    Same here.


  148. lobo91
    152 | October 7, 2013 9:55 pm

    @ Mars:

    I have to agree there. I think 90% of the issues in our country should be states issues. We’ve ceded far too much to the federals.

    We didn’t cede anything. They took it.


  149. Mars
    153 | October 7, 2013 9:58 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    @ Mars:
    For the “TEA party guy” he sure doesn’t talk much about taxes.
    Are you speculating that he may be a plant with all of the vile rhetoric he’s spewing?
    At face value, he sounds like an unhinged lunatic. He’s like an SNL parody of a “TEA Partier.”

    You picked up on that did you? I kinda wondered. I mean he did work for Judge Moore, but honestly other than the 10 commandments thing I know nothing about Moores beliefs or convictions. There just doesn’t seem to be much there there if you understand what I mean.

    The other guys entire history is there for all to see, this guy only has the skeleton of a history.

    Once again it could be how the article was spun but it doesn’t seem right.


  150. coldwarrior
    154 | October 7, 2013 10:02 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    @ Mars:
    For the “TEA party guy” he sure doesn’t talk much about taxes.
    Are you speculating that he may be a plant with all of the vile rhetoric he’s spewing?
    At face value, he sounds like an unhinged lunatic. He’s like an SNL parody of a “TEA Partier.”

    TAXED

    ENOUGH

    ALREADY

    we had this knock down drag out with some ver very vocal and aggressive so-cons who wanted to take over the BC tea party. they were asked nicely to stop. this movement is about lower taxes and less govt first and foremost. after all, they have many many groups and movements already.

    i was accused of hating christianity. that is all i needed to hear from that.


  151. Bumr50
    155 | October 7, 2013 10:03 pm

    @ Mars:

    Alabama congressional candidate has long history of comments on gays

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/27/alabama-congressional-candidate-has-long-history-of-comments-on-gays/#ixzz2h5l8eUyq

    I really do understand the rationale behind folks who are fervently against redefining traditional marriage, but you can’t expect to be taken seriously when you’re on record THIS MUCH on just one issue.


  152. coldwarrior
    156 | October 7, 2013 10:03 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    I have to agree there. I think 90% of the issues in our country should be states issues. We’ve ceded far too much to the federals.
    We didn’t cede anything. They took it.

    without a fight, without a protest.

    the states willingly gave up these rights to be whores to ‘free federal money’ from DC.

    long is the struggle hard the fight to get these back.


  153. coldwarrior
    157 | October 7, 2013 10:04 pm

    bbiam….gotta set up the new printer


  154. coldwarrior
    158 | October 7, 2013 10:05 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Alabama congressional candidate has long history of comments on gays
    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/27/alabama-congressional-candidate-has-long-history-of-comments-on-gays/#ixzz2h5l8eUyq
    I really do understand the rationale behind folks who are fervently against redefining traditional marriage, but you can’t expect to be taken seriously when you’re on record THIS MUCH on just one issue.

    he’s in the closet.

    no doubt.

    he doth protest too much


  155. Mars
    159 | October 7, 2013 10:07 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    I have to agree there. I think 90% of the issues in our country should be states issues. We’ve ceded far too much to the federals.
    We didn’t cede anything. They took it.

    Too many people seemed happy to see it go.


  156. lobo91
    160 | October 7, 2013 10:08 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    without a fight, without a protest.

    the states willingly gave up these rights to be whores to ‘free federal money’ from DC.

    In many ways, it goes back to the Civil War. That redefined the relationship between the states and the federal government completely.

    Prior to then, “United States” was considered plural.


  157. Mars
    161 | October 7, 2013 10:09 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:
    @ Mars:
    @ Mars:
    For the “TEA party guy” he sure doesn’t talk much about taxes.
    Are you speculating that he may be a plant with all of the vile rhetoric he’s spewing?
    At face value, he sounds like an unhinged lunatic. He’s like an SNL parody of a “TEA Partier.”

    TAXED
    ENOUGH
    ALREADY
    we had this knock down drag out with some ver very vocal and aggressive so-cons who wanted to take over the BC tea party. they were asked nicely to stop. this movement is about lower taxes and less govt first and foremost. after all, they have many many groups and movements already.
    i was accused of hating christianity. that is all i needed to hear from that.

    That sucks. Right now there shouldn’t be that kind of stuff separating us. Not with what we have to deal with.

    Let’s get the important stuff done first (THE ECONOMY) we can hash out everything else later.


  158. Mars
    162 | October 7, 2013 10:10 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:
    @ Mars:
    Alabama congressional candidate has long history of comments on gays
    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/27/alabama-congressional-candidate-has-long-history-of-comments-on-gays/#ixzz2h5l8eUyq
    I really do understand the rationale behind folks who are fervently against redefining traditional marriage, but you can’t expect to be taken seriously when you’re on record THIS MUCH on just one issue.

    he’s in the closet.
    no doubt.
    he doth protest too much

    That could be it.


  159. Mars
    163 | October 7, 2013 10:12 pm

    I guess I’m too hard on AUH2O because I hate this when it happens too. But, it’s almost like he’s developed RDS lately. He’s seeing this crap everywhere and everything is the republicans fault.

    I’m ok with calling this crap out when it happens but to say it happened when it didn’t is just dishonest and plays into our enemies stereotypes.


  160. Mars
    164 | October 7, 2013 10:13 pm

    Man Shapiro’s team is busy as hell over at truthrevolt. Lots of articles out in a single day.


  161. Mars
    165 | October 7, 2013 10:15 pm

    http://www.kulr8.com/story/23630912/lawsuit-alleges-officers-profiled-minority-drivers

    Libs finally got around to MT on the “profiling illegals” crap.


  162. Mars
    166 | October 7, 2013 10:17 pm

    http://www.kulr8.com/story/23631736/ariz-to-trim-voting-if-citizenship-proof-lacking
    Love this article. Apparently the libs are getting ready to go apeshit on Arizona again. Apparently it’s racist to want people to prove they are citizens before they vote.


  163. Mars
    167 | October 7, 2013 10:20 pm

    Oh jesus, one of my local stations is talking about the horrible hate crime murder of Matthew Shepard. You know the guy that was killed for screwing a couple of guys over in a drug deal. The killing that was pretty well solidly proven to have nothing to do with hate crimes.


  164. lobo91
    168 | October 7, 2013 10:27 pm

    @ Mars:

    Facts are irrelevant when they conflict with the received narrative.


  165. Mars
    169 | October 7, 2013 10:31 pm

    That’s the truth. This whole bit is a sore spot with me, I know people that were going to school in Laramie at the time and knew Shepard and the crap he did. He was an evil evil guy.


  166. Mars
    170 | October 7, 2013 10:32 pm

    Very few people deserve to be killed especially the way he was, and it is sad.

    Everyone said there wasn’t really much hope of any other end the way he was going though.


  167. Bumr50
    171 | October 7, 2013 10:36 pm

    @ Mars:

    I’m glad meth abuse isn’t nearly as prevalent in my area than what I hear from some other parts of the nation.


  168. lobo91
    172 | October 7, 2013 10:37 pm

    @ Mars:

    Unfortunately, just like Trayvon Martin, he’s been designated as a saint by the left.


  169. Mars
    173 | October 7, 2013 10:40 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    I’m glad meth abuse isn’t nearly as prevalent in my area than what I hear from some other parts of the nation.

    Yeah, MT is one of those areas. Meth is huge on the reservations.


  170. Mars
    174 | October 7, 2013 10:41 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Unfortunately, just like Trayvon Martin, he’s been designated as a saint by the left.

    The only difference being in the Shepard case all the parties involved were scum.


  171. lobo91
    175 | October 7, 2013 10:46 pm

    @ Mars:

    The only difference being in the Shepard case all the parties involved were scum.

    True, but 99% of Americans don’t know that.


  172. Mars
    176 | October 7, 2013 10:52 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    The only difference being in the Shepard case all the parties involved were scum.
    True, but 99% of Americans don’t know that.

    And there’s where the problem hits again. How do you tell the truth to the 99% out there when the media has complete control of the narrative.

    Heh, gives new meaning to the We are the 99% movement doesn’t it?

    The thing that worries me is how the truth will impact people.

    When Romney did the 47% bit, it pretty much destroyed him. I saw the huge drop in polls and the energy completely disappeared from the campaign. We never saw anything like his performance in the first debate.

    Some people don’t want to hear the truth. Other people will hear it if it is presented in a way that they can handle.

    How do we figure out the right way?


  173. The Osprey
    177 | October 7, 2013 11:03 pm

    The White House and Harry Reid are flinching…

    *Note this picture is from TODAY. Note what has replaced the “Halo” – It’s subtle, but if the media did not notice Stompy Feet was a pontificating whiner, it would not be allowed. US President Barack Obama speaks about hurricane preparedness as well as the budget showdown with Congress on October 7, 2013, on the seventh day of the government shutdown (AFP Photo/Saul Loeb)

    Internal White House polling must be giving them fits right now. The American People are not losing resolve; in fact, just the opposite is true, more and more people are joining a growing group awakening to the reality of how destructive Obamacare is, and just WHAT the reason is for this fight. THIS is from a moonbat in Californiastan:

    “I was laughing at Boehner – until the mail came today,” [...] ”I really don’t like the Republican tactics, but at least now I can understand why they are so pissed about this. When you take $10,000 out of my family’s pocket each year, that’s otherwise disposable income or retirement savings that will not be going into our local economy.” [...] “Of course, I want people to have health care,” Vinson said. “I just didn’t realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally.”


  174. Bumr50
    178 | October 7, 2013 11:07 pm

    @ Mars:

    Today’s pols need to be disciplined enough to CONTROL THEIR MESSAGE.

    Just because you’re at some obscure fundraiser with your rich friends doesn’t mean that there aren’t enemy ears in the room.


  175. lobo91
    179 | October 7, 2013 11:12 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Today’s pols need to be disciplined enough to CONTROL THEIR MESSAGE.
    Just because you’re at some obscure fundraiser with your rich friends doesn’t mean that there aren’t enemy ears in the room.

    I spent 5 years training units for deployment to Iraq and Afghanistan. One thing I always did was to hold a meeting with the NCOs and remind them that anything they did was liable to be recorded, and that anything that was recorded would probably end up on the internet.


  176. Mars
    180 | October 7, 2013 11:13 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Today’s pols need to be disciplined enough to CONTROL THEIR MESSAGE.
    Just because you’re at some obscure fundraiser with your rich friends doesn’t mean that there aren’t enemy ears in the room.

    Yes, yes and yes.

    Glenn Beck was actually talking about something similar. He had a meeting with several senators or representatives can’t remember which, could have been both. One of the pols involved walked up to him and said he had a lot more to talk to him about. Beck asked him what and he said “not here” He then subtley pointed out one of the other pols in the room that answered directly back to the dems on everything he heard. Someone at a private meeting who was supposedly a “conservative” was actually a spy for the dems. That’s how dirty this whole affair has become.


  177. Mars
    181 | October 7, 2013 11:16 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:
    @ Mars:
    Today’s pols need to be disciplined enough to CONTROL THEIR MESSAGE.
    Just because you’re at some obscure fundraiser with your rich friends doesn’t mean that there aren’t enemy ears in the room.
    I spent 5 years training units for deployment to Iraq and Afghanistan. One thing I always did was to hold a meeting with the NCOs and remind them that anything they did was liable to be recorded, and that anything that was recorded would probably end up on the internet.

    Very true.

    We need to go back to the days of INFOSEC. Post all of those posters around all the republican politicians and donors at all times.

    http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3f00000/3f05000/3f05500/3f05554v.jpg

    (Didn’t even think about the fact that the same term INFOSEC and the same type of posters are used in the IT community today.)


  178. 182 | October 7, 2013 11:30 pm

    @ Mars:

    Or should that be “Federales?”

    New thread upstairs…..


  179. lobo91
    183 | October 7, 2013 11:30 pm

    It’s Like The Obamacare Website Is Attacking Itself

    The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, which oversaw development of the site, declined to make any of its IT experts available for interviews. CGI Group Inc, the Canadian contractor that built HealthCare.gov, is “declining to comment at this time,” said spokeswoman Linda Odorisio.

    Five outside technology experts interviewed by Reuters, however, say they believe flaws in system architecture, not traffic alone, contributed to the problems.

    For instance, when a user tries to create an account on HealthCare.gov, which serves insurance exchanges in 36 states, it prompts the computer to load an unusually large amount of files and software, overwhelming the browser, experts said.

    If they are right, then just bringing more servers online, as officials say they are doing, will not fix the site.

    “Adding capacity sounds great until you realize that if you didn’t design it right that won’t help,” said Bill Curtis, chief scientist at CAST, a software quality analysis firm, and director of the Consortium for IT Software Quality. “The architecture of the software may limit how much you can add on to it. I suspect they’ll have to reconfigure a lot of it.”


  180. taxfreekiller
    184 | October 7, 2013 11:35 pm

    Went over to Richardson Tx to a Katrina Pierson
    http://www.katrinaforcongress.com/

    meeting and org. of teams to get her elected.

    She is running for the Texas Congressional Dist. 32, (now Pete Sessions) Pete was ok, but something happened with the ear marks and the inside the tent in D.C. deal.
    Tonight 3 of the orginal guys who helped him get elected were at the meeting and all will work to get him out of Congress, they say he has lost his way.

    Pete Sessions is the blocking person who will not let Bengazie be sent to a special DA of Congress deal. He has gone soft on the amnesty, said just let ObamaCare go into effect there is nothing we can do, ect. EAR MARKS down to his toes.

    Send $
    Get in touch with any one you know in North Dallas, Highland Park, University Park, East Richardson, North Garland, Rowlett, Sachse, Wylie, and be sure they are reg. to vote and know about Kritrina Pierson,,, she was on the Ted Cruz deal early, she was the speaker who set off the Tea Party in Texas back in the early time.

    Smart, can debate, Michale Malkin ect. on and on support here.

    Just act up.


  181. taxfreekiller
    185 | October 7, 2013 11:37 pm

    ps

    Ms tfk will get you if you do not do as she says…..


  182. taxfreekiller
    186 | October 7, 2013 11:40 pm

    On the fowlups on the ObamaCare web sites….

    Now what if the grunts who are doing to data imput, the guys/gals writting code ect. are smart enough to “get it” who this thing targets…”THEM” cause they are the 18 to 35′s who Obama and the commies target to pay for the crime.

    Just may be an inside job.


  183. Mars
    187 | October 7, 2013 11:44 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    On the fowlups on the ObamaCare web sites….
    Now what if the grunts who are doing to data imput, the guys/gals writting code ect. are smart enough to “get it” who this thing targets…”THEM” cause they are the 18 to 35′s who Obama and the commies target to pay for the crime.
    Just may be an inside job.

    For the US ones that is possible. The Canadian team is the one behind the Canadian Single Payer System website, so they are used to trying to destroy peoples lives.


  184. lobo91
    188 | October 7, 2013 11:44 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    On the fowlups on the ObamaCare web sites….
    Now what if the grunts who are doing to data imput, the guys/gals writting code ect. are smart enough to “get it” who this thing targets…”THEM” cause they are the 18 to 35′s who Obama and the commies target to pay for the crime.
    Just may be an inside job.

    The only problem with that theory: It was contracted out to a Canadian company.


  185. coldwarrior
    189 | October 7, 2013 11:55 pm

    oot is up

    rodan has been informed

    the new pretty neat printer is installed.

    oot


  186. coldwarrior
    190 | October 7, 2013 11:57 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    Pete Sessions is the blocking person who will not let Bengazie be sent to a special DA of Congress deal. He has gone soft on the amnesty, said just let ObamaCare go into effect there is nothing we can do, ect. EAR MARKS down to his toes.

    sic ‘em!

    (really glad tfk and wife are on our side)


  187. 191 | October 8, 2013 6:29 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    @ Iron Fist:
    The union leadership would make Stalin proud.
    But a lot of the rank & file vote Republican. I’m guessing more than 30%
    Trumka is such a Stalin fan that he even tries to look like him.

    “Aren’t You Tired of the Guy with the Mustache?”


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