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This Train Will Not Stop In The City Of, “Woe Is Me.”

by Flyovercountry ( 124 Comments › )
Filed under Politics, The Political Right at November 4th, 2013 - 1:00 pm

Political Cartoons by Chip Bok

There are many on the right side of things who are convinced that those who advocate for limited government and fiscal responsibility will never again win a national election. All it took to reach such a state of despair was to lose one election in 2008, and then fail at the often times difficult task of removing an incumbent President. They forget the absolute shellacking the political left received during the 2010 midterms, and further forget that we’ve faced this same exact circumstance before. “Woe is us,” seems to be the hue and cry from the right, “why are we fighting amongst ourselves?”

I have three things to say that hopefully will calm down the political right’s version of Chicken Little, who seems to be the most listened guy in any room that he’s in, be it left or right. One, this civil war needs to happen, and it’s a good thing. Debates about who we are, what we believe in, what direction are we going to lead once we do win elections, are all worthwhile arguments. The party establishment needs to know that there is only so far towards Democrat Lite that we’re willing to be cajoled into following, and that distance is short indeed. The voting base needs to understand that our principles will get us no where should we not win sufficient numbers of elections to actually reach a position where we can lead, and make our leadership mean something more than a protest vote. With the talking points of both sides being mentioned, it is better to have this internal debate now, rather than August of 2014 or August of 2016, when it will cost us more than just a few nasty news paper clippings. Yes, one of Ronald Reagan’s great strengths was that he was able to build a coalition, but at the same time, he was not wishy washy in what he beleived, and he was not the political equivalent of Democrat Lite either.

Two, this Obamacare disaster is the gift that not only keeps giving now, but will continue giving for the duration of its status as the law of the land. It is not going anywhere, and every day brings more and more discontent for those inflicted with its consequences. The economics of this crap sandwich of a law will only get worse as time goes on, and by November of 2014, or November of 2016, anyone who put their name on this will be chased from town via pitch forks and torches. Here’s the kicker, no matter how earnestly the whole world of media tries to play up the whole Republicans are really to blame for this nonsense meme, the fact remains and is widely known that not a single Republican at any level anywhere supported this fiscal and societal sink hole. No matter the lengths the Democrats are going to, trying to extricate themselves from this beast, they own it, and they own it all. Barack Obama, doing his part by claiming it as his signature achievement, has doomed his party to another midterm shellacking. If this is still in effect in 2016, it’ll hang around the Democrat nominee like a malevolent albatross, pissing off every American ahead of time, most especially for those who were able to get health care prior to the government providing it for free and suddenly can not afford it once it is free. Unlike in 2012, when inexplicably the GOP refused to put this ill conceived law front and center as a major campaign issue, the American Public will not give them the chance to skip it during the next two national elections. Obamacare will be a major discussion point for its duration, and the anger with which it is regarded will only get worse, the longer this public policy canker sore is allowed to fester.

Three, we really are not in the electoral wilderness, despite the best attempts of many to convince us otherwise. First of all, we did win the House of Representatives. Officially, we are the majority party in this country, despite claims to the contrary. the House, is the people’s representation in our national government. We also hold the majority of governorships, and state legislative bodies. That is in itself important, as the back bench, or tomorrow’s leadership will most likely come from this source of future leaders, as it has for most of our history.

Harken back to the ancient days of 1990. George H.W. Bush was President, he enjoyed a record breaking 70% job approval number, he managed to buck the trend of Presidents in mid term elections by actually gaining seats for his party, and the big political question fresh on the heels of Reagan and Bush having just won the Cold War was how on Earth did any Democrat ever hope to win back the White House. The answer given then, (delivered by a man named Tom Foley, who was at the time our House Speaker,) was that they held an overwhelming advantage in the governorships and State Legislative Bodies around our fruited plains. Two years later of course, one of those referred to people won an election to become our 42nd President, and his wife is still a pimple on the American body politic to this day.

I am not suggesting that victory is automatic, guaranteed, nor even easy. I am just suggesting that tales of our demise have been greatly exagerated. Defeat of ourselves by ourselves is a far greater existential threat to the small government side of things than is any of the formidable weaponry aimed at us by the political left. One of their most powerful weapons is convincing us to just give up the fight, believing that we can not win, no matter how hard we work. Demoralization is the enemy, and those shots are mostly friendly fire.

Obamacare in a nutshell:

Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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124 Responses to “This Train Will Not Stop In The City Of, “Woe Is Me.””
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  1. heysoos
    1 | November 4, 2013 2:08 pm

    this is the problem…pretty simple…there is no unity, no focus and no will to defy the donks
    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/11/gop-moderates-promise-speak-time/71230/


  2. 2 | November 4, 2013 2:11 pm

    The “moderate” wing of the Republican Party is trying to get a negiotiated surrender before the December deadline comes and those nasty evil Teabaggers try to force the government to live under some kind of constrained budget:

    The December 13 deadline to pass a budget is fast approaching, and Ted Cruz hasn’t ruled out another government shutdown to continue his Defund Obamacare campaign. But moderate Republicans in both houses are promising to speak up during this round of budget talks. The loudest among them is Rep. Peter King, but Sen. Susan Collins and Reps. Charlie Dent and Patrick Meehan have also suggested that they’re not going to take it anymore.

    “We have to be more outspoken upfront,” King told Politico. Dent, who represents a moderate district in Pennsylvania, agreed: “I can assure you that the next time around, people are going to have their eyes wide open. I believe there will be a lot of folks speaking up. Aggressively, in fact.”

    Collins went on PBS NewsHour at the end of last week to call for an end to damaging partisan bickering: “The American people are clearly frustrated and fed up with the partisan gridlock and the excessive partisanship that they’re seeing in Washington.” The shutdown strategy was “never going to be successful, and it was a fantasy to think that it was.” Collins was one of seven Republican senators who worked with Democrats to end the shutdown.

    For his part, King already has a campaign against Cruz ready to go, which he shared with Politico. Slogans include: “Ted Cruz cost the economy $24 billion,” and “Ted Cruz forced the Republican Party to its lowest levels ever and in that period, made Obamacare more popular.” The second one could be a bit snappier, but you see his point.

    Notice that they are more interested in taking on Ted Cruz than they are Barack Obama. RINOs? I think that is too mild a word. These people are Democrat operatives who run under the Republican banner because that is what it takes to win their district or State. They aren’t interested in “compromise” with the Tea Party, but only with the Democrats, and when they say “compromise” them mean giving the Democrats everythng that they want and getting nothing in return for it. How are having these people “in the party” more helpful than having them openly declare themselves to be Democrats? The Democrats have Party Discipline, and their party’s agenda is driven from their most radically Leftist base. In 2006 the Democrats ran “conservative” Democrats against the spendthrift Republicans and won the House and Senate. They promptly elected the two most Left-wing members of the Party, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, to be Majority Leader and Speaker of the House respectively. They then governed from a hard-Left position that surely must have shocked all those people suckered into voting for “conservative” Democrats. We don’t do the same in the Republican Party. We run “conservative” Republicans who then cede their power to the “moderates” and try to “work” with the Democrats, by which they mean give the Democrats everything they demand. We see this going on here again in the budget negiotiations. The House should pass a budget and then go home for the holidays. If Harry Reid can’t cajole or cooerce his Democrats to pass a budget out of the Senate that is not our problem. Make Reid own it.


  3. 3 | November 4, 2013 2:12 pm

    After Nixon, no Republican was going to be elected president for 20 years, minimum. I’ve seen this Kibuki play before…


  4. 4 | November 4, 2013 2:13 pm

    @ heysoos:

    You beat me by this much!


  5. 5 | November 4, 2013 2:15 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    And after Clinton people were saying the same about the Democrats. I keep saying it. We have a year until next year’s election, and a year is forever in politics. Let alone the time until the 2016 election. That election may turn on events that haven’t yet happened.


  6. buzzsawmonkey
    6 | November 4, 2013 2:18 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    After Nixon, no Republican was going to be elected president for 20 years, minimum. I’ve seen this Kibuki play before…

    Watching the Leftist “Republicans” knife their supposed fellows in the Republican Party to the benefit of Democrats, while the Democrats structure planned disasters designed to benefit them six and twelve months and more down the road, all I can say is it ain’t your daddy’s Democrats, or your daddy’s Republicans.

    The GOP is split between its centrist Democrat wing and its conservative wing, while the Democrats are the party of the far Left.


  7. heysoos
    7 | November 4, 2013 2:19 pm

    civil war, right at the exact wrong time…
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/angry-tea-party-leaders-go-rino-hunting-for-would-be-republicans/article/2538416


  8. 8 | November 4, 2013 2:20 pm

    Tom Caso @casolaw
    #Obamacare promised to insure the uninsured -- instead it is Uninsuring the insured (as noted by @brithume ) @instapundit

    From InstaPundit’s twitterfeed. We need to make this the spearpoint of our attack. No matter how the Press and the Democrats try to deflect us, we should always come back to this simple truth, and ask the voter if that was what they wanted when they voted for “Hope and Change”. That’s a winning strategy, and if Peter King can’t get behind it he is welcome to become a Democrat.


  9. 9 | November 4, 2013 2:22 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    The GOP is split between its centrist Democrat wing and its conservative wing, while the Democrats are the party of the far Left.

    Exactly. The Democrats are the real radicals in this play, not the Tea Party. We can hang them on that, if we try, because all of America isn’t San Franscisco and New York. Indeed, most of America has very little in common with those towo cities, but those are where the Democrat Party takes its ideology from.


  10. buzzsawmonkey
    10 | November 4, 2013 2:26 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    civil war, right at the exact wrong time…
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/angry-tea-party-leaders-go-rino-hunting-for-would-be-republicans/article/2538416

    There’s never a “good” time for a civil war—but the war has been going on for some time, and what you’re objecting to is those being attacked deciding to fight back.


  11. 11 | November 4, 2013 2:26 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    @ heysoos:

    If we can’t retake the Republican party, then the only option left short of revolution is a third party. If not now, when?

    Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?

    I keep having to go back to the same speech, because nothing I can think of expresses it better.


  12. BatGuano
    12 | November 4, 2013 2:29 pm

    @ Mike C.:
    My all-time favorite speech.


  13. buzzsawmonkey
    13 | November 4, 2013 2:30 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    I keep having to go back to the same speech

    linky?


  14. 14 | November 4, 2013 2:32 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    If not now, when?

    Exactly. There’s a year before the next election. That is time to get this sorted out. If the likes of Perter King want to kick the likes of Ted Cruz out of the Party, let them bring it, and let’s see what they’ve got. These are the same people that have been preaching surrender to the Democrats since 1994. We won elections, but weren[t suposed to change the way Washington operates. Because these people are really of the Washington Insiders’ Party, and they don’t want to be bothered by the thought of people outside the beltway making any difference in their charmed lives.


  15. heysoos
    15 | November 4, 2013 2:35 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    civil war, right at the exact wrong time…
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/angry-tea-party-leaders-go-rino-hunting-for-would-be-republicans/article/2538416
    There’s never a “good” time for a civil war—but the war has been going on for some time, and what you’re objecting to is those being attacked deciding to fight back.

    I’m not objecting to anything…just pointing out this fight is now front burner, above the fold


  16. Speranza
    16 | November 4, 2013 2:35 pm

    Question (and I am not being snarky) but where on earth did you get the idea that not only was Obama going to lose in 2012 but it would be a historic landslide as well?


  17. BatGuano
    17 | November 4, 2013 2:35 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    linky?

    Here is one.
    http://www.history.org/almanack/life/politics/giveme.cfm


  18. eaglesoars
    18 | November 4, 2013 2:40 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    civil war, right at the exact wrong time…
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/angry-tea-party-leaders-go-rino-hunting-for-would-be-republicans/article/2538416

    that is the DUMBEST waste of resources I’ve ever seen. Gah.


  19. buzzsawmonkey
    19 | November 4, 2013 2:50 pm

    @ BatGuano:

    The number of Biblical allusions in that speech is remarkable. I wonder how many would be recognized today by the average eighth-grader.


  20. Speranza
    20 | November 4, 2013 2:50 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    civil war, right at the exact wrong time…
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/angry-tea-party-leaders-go-rino-hunting-for-would-be-republicans/article/2538416

    that is the DUMBEST waste of resources I’ve ever seen. Gah.

    This is no longer the Tea Party of 2009. This is suicidal behavior.


  21. BatGuano
    21 | November 4, 2013 2:51 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    that is the DUMBEST waste of resources I’ve ever seen. Gah.

    You disagree with the efficacy of their tactics or do you disagree with their goals?


  22. 22 | November 4, 2013 2:54 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yeah, that doesn’t seem useful to me, either. If you are really incensed, primary these people. But demanding your donations back is just a waste of breathable air. Funding the government was a hard choice. I think it hurt us more than it helped us to have that fight, but I don’t think it has done any lasting damage to us. What do you hear on the news shows today? The train wreck that is ObamaCare, front and center. That is what we need to keep the electorate focused on. We aren’t going to fix the budget woes in one vote or one year. Postponing the budget fight until we are stronger is good tactical strategy. The key right now is to hold and extend our grip on the House, and narrow or take the control of the Senate. Anything that helps us do that is good. Anything that hurts us doing that is bad. That is how we need to be. We need to focus on the problem at hand.


  23. BatGuano
    23 | November 4, 2013 2:55 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Very gosh darned few. “Betrayed with a kiss” /Gee. what does that mean?


  24. 24 | November 4, 2013 2:57 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Bck then people read the Bible, and for the educated the Bible was a work that was studied in school. Ignoring for the moment the religious significance of that, it gave the society a common thread that everyone could identify with. What, if anything, provides our culture with that today? Honey Boo Boo and the Kardashians? :roll: Yet another thing that the anti-religion zealots have cost us in the name of their radical Freedom from God efforts.


  25. eaglesoars
    25 | November 4, 2013 2:57 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    that is the DUMBEST waste of resources I’ve ever seen. Gah.

    You disagree with the efficacy of their tactics or do you disagree with their goals?

    both. They want to spend resources going after Lindsay Graham/John McCain? I cannot abide either of them but the fact of the matter is that they are products of the Republican party in their districts. Gutting the party is not a method to achieve political supremecy.

    I think ‘cutting off your nose to spite your face’ may fit.


  26. eaglesoars
    26 | November 4, 2013 3:00 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Bck then people read the Bible, and for the educated the Bible was a work that was studied in school.

    When I started school the first thing the teacher did was read a few verses from the Bible. THEN we all stood and recited the Pledge of Allegiance.


  27. 27 | November 4, 2013 3:02 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Just look up March 23, 1775, St. John’s Church, Richomd, Virginia, speech to the House of Delegates by Col. Patrick Henry. I’m sure you’ve heard at least the last sentence.


  28. buzzsawmonkey
    28 | November 4, 2013 3:03 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    Very gosh darned few. “Betrayed with a kiss” /Gee. what does that mean?

    That’s just the most obvious.

    Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation?

    This is a reference to idols, and to idol worshippers.

    I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided

    I believe the “lamp by which my feet are guided” is a New Testament reference, but I forget from where.

    An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!

    There are numerous references, in the Psalms in particular, to the Lord of Hosts being a God of War.

    The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone;

    “The race is not to the swift,” and similar statements, are in Ecclesiastes; I believe that there are also echoes of this in the Psalms.

    Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace but there is no peace.

    I believe “peace, peace but there is no peace” is in both Isaiah and in the New Testament, but again I’m not sure.

    In any event—lots and lots of Biblical allusions.


  29. 29 | November 4, 2013 3:05 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    We did the Pledge, but not the Bible reading. By the time I came through the Atheists had pretty much forced God out of the classroom, though they hadn’t yet forced kindergardeners to read about someone’s two Mommies, or drag queen fetishes, or whatever. Nowadays I guess they just start them out on Penthouse Letters in First Grade to make sure they are properly socialized. And the Communist Manifesto. :roll:


  30. 30 | November 4, 2013 3:08 pm

    @ BatGuano:

    The only equivalent speech urging battle that I know of (in English) is Henry V just before the battle of Agincourt, but that was fictional (the speech, of course, not the battle.)


  31. Speranza
    31 | November 4, 2013 3:10 pm

    If Republicans in Arizona and South Carolina want to vote for McCain or Graham so be it. Better to go after Democrats rather than inner party purges. By the way I hope that Liz Cheney fails to defeat that Republican Senator from Wyoming.


  32. BatGuano
    32 | November 4, 2013 3:11 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    It is, as I said, my favorite speech of all time and I have studied it for many years so I am well aware of the biblical refernces. The lamp reference is from psalms: ” A lamp unto my feet.”


  33. Speranza
    33 | November 4, 2013 3:11 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ BatGuano:
    The only equivalent speech urging battle that I know of (in English) is Henry V just before the battle of Agincourt, but that was fictional (the speech, of course, not the battle.)

    And that was a naked war of aggression the English launched against France. Henry V had no rights to the throne of England being the son of a usurper and certainly no rights to the throne of France.


  34. 34 | November 4, 2013 3:12 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I believe the “lamp by which my feet are guided” is a New Testament reference, but I forget from where.

    I think it’s a reference to Diogenes. Col Henry was an educated man.


  35. 35 | November 4, 2013 3:13 pm

    This is good. All of it, but especially the following:

    Obamacare has winners as well; particularly those with pre-existing conditions and young adults who want to stay on their parents’ health insurance. The problem for Democrats right now is that the winners can’t be effectively highlighted. The administration had hoped to spend November and December countering stories about the losers with positive, emotional stories of people with cancer or some other ailment finally getting coverage. The administration’s incompetence has made this impossible. Instead, it has gotten headlines like this one from NBC News: “Obama Administration Knew Millions Could Not Keep Their Health Insurance.”

    The case for Obamacare was never going to be easy. The program was sold as a middle-class benefit but it actually benefits a subset of the middle class. Federal subsidies go up to 400 percent of poverty — $45,960 for an individual — with much larger help at the bottom than the top. The law also mandates that younger and healthier people purchase comprehensive coverage. So the program benefits older, lower-middle class people while placing new burdens on younger, upper-middle class people. Like elsewhere in the welfare state, the young come out behind.

    So there is a serious gap between the simplicity of the message that sold Obamacare and the complexity of the law’s outcomes. And the karmic consequences for the president and his party are considerable.

    First, Obama’s credibility is undermined. “If you like your health care plan,” he said, “you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period.” It was the most emphatic, unqualified, high profile public policy promise since “Read my lips” — and its violation is at least as discrediting.

    Second, Democrats have muddied their central political appeal of siding with the middle class. Some in that large, elastic category will come out ahead. Others will see their premiums dramatically increase without qualifying for subsidies. One self-employed pregnant woman who has recently lost coverage is quoted in the Los Angeles Times: “It doesn’t seem right to make the middle class pay so much more in order to give health insurance to everybody else.” Democrats will be forced to answer: It depends on what you mean by middle class.

    Marxists of all stripes hate the Middle Class of all stripes. This much is known. That the Democrats, in their zeal to punish the Middle Class, may have cost themselves the Senate is most satisfying. We’ll have to see how that playsout next year, of course, but the Democrats are now officially anti-Middle Class. All the Republicans have to do is step up, present the facts, and make the new story be about that.


  36. BatGuano
    36 | November 4, 2013 3:15 pm

    @ Mike C.:
    Psalm 119:105 “Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.”


  37. 37 | November 4, 2013 3:16 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Er, the English held portions of France before there was such a thing as France. Edward Plantagenet fought in France to hold those territories many years before, as did others between Edward I and Henry V. The battle of Crecy was the predecessor to Agincourt, with the same result, and that was what -- 90 years earlier?


  38. buzzsawmonkey
    38 | November 4, 2013 3:17 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Obamacare has winners as well; particularly those with pre-existing conditions and young adults who want to stay on their parents’ health insurance. The problem for Democrats right now is that the winners can’t be effectively highlighted.

    Somebody needs to do a pic of Debbie Wassermann Schultz with her hair at its worst, as an ad for “pre-existing conditioner.”


  39. buzzsawmonkey
    39 | November 4, 2013 3:19 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    It is, as I said, my favorite speech of all time and I have studied it for many years so I am well aware of the biblical refernces. The lamp reference is from psalms: ” A lamp unto my feet.”

    Thanks. I’m aware of an allusion to the same line in Kipling’s poem “The Wreck of the Mary Gloster,” but couldn’t recall the source.


  40. 40 | November 4, 2013 3:19 pm

    @ BatGuano:

    Yes, I know that, but it always struck me (given the earlier statements in the speech) as an allusion to Diogenes seeking an honest man. Too late to ask Pat, that’s for sure.


  41. 41 | November 4, 2013 3:21 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Somebody needs to do a pic of Debbie Wassermann Schultz with her hair at its worst, as an ad for “pre-existing conditioner.”

    Speaking of quotations…

    “I don’t care who you are -- that there’s funny!”

    Larry the Cable Guy


  42. eaglesoars
    42 | November 4, 2013 3:23 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Somebody needs to do a pic of Debbie Wassermann Schultz with her hair at its worst, as an ad for “pre-existing conditioner.”

    Ah buzz, what was life like before you came along?


  43. 43 | November 4, 2013 3:24 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Yeah, somebody beat her with an Ugly Stick. And she has the personality of a dead fish. I can’t imagine being married to someone like her. Talk about afate worse than death…


  44. BatGuano
    44 | November 4, 2013 3:25 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Ah buzz, what was life like before you came along?

    Limp and lifeless.


  45. RIX
    45 | November 4, 2013 3:27 pm

    There is a civil war in the Republican Paerty that needed to happen.
    The Repulicans would not now hold the House if not for the Tea Party. They are repaid by denying them any leadership positions, making common cause against them with the Dems & being smeared by that silly old fool; McCain and the equally foolish & annoying Peter King.
    It’s time now for the Conservative/Libertarian Wing to take control.


  46. buzzsawmonkey
    46 | November 4, 2013 3:29 pm

    RIX wrote:

    It’s time now for the Conservative/Libertarian Wing to take control.

    Strike the Boehner and raise the banner?


  47. 47 | November 4, 2013 3:30 pm

    This i sbad, and it is from the Washington Post:

    David Prestin, 48, who operates a gas station and diner at a truck stop in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula, was unhappy to learn recently that his premiums are slated to rise from $923 to $1,283 next year under Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan. The insurer said it needed to add maternity care to comply with the Affordable Care Act.

    The issue of maternity coverage is a sensitive one for Prestin and his wife, Kathie. They had one child seven years ago, but after she had five miscarriages, they discovered she had an immune issue that prevented her from successfully completing a pregnancy.

    They had had a tweet about the law making men pay for maternity coverage, but they deleted it before I could get a copy of it. Maybe Twitchy will post it later. Remember, these people who think that men can get pregnant also believe that they are the ones best suited to teach your kids about sex.


  48. BatGuano
    48 | November 4, 2013 3:30 pm

    Since this speech was mentioned earlier, why not the post last and most famous paragraph?

    ” It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace²but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”


  49. eaglesoars
    49 | November 4, 2013 3:32 pm

    RIX wrote:

    foolish & annoying Peter King.

    What IS it with that guy? He’s got it in for Cruz and I don’t get it. He’s good on the Muslims, but he’s just gone off the rails on this one…


  50. buzzsawmonkey
    50 | November 4, 2013 3:33 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”

    “I know not course others may take; but as for me, give me libertines and give me debt!”

    —Barack Obama


  51. 51 | November 4, 2013 3:35 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    He’s always been a Liberal Republican. He is good on the Muslims, but that is about the only issue he is good on. Bob Beckle is good on the Muslims too. He’s even called for ending immigration from Muslim nations, something that we’ve been saying here for a long time. But that is about the only thing he is good on.


  52. BatGuano
    52 | November 4, 2013 3:35 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Remember, these people who think that men can get pregnant also believe that they are the ones best suited to teach your kids about sex.

    Men should have the right to bear children! Don’t you agree? I saw that once in a movie.


  53. RIX
    53 | November 4, 2013 3:35 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    foolish & annoying Peter King.

    What IS it with that guy? He’s got it in for Cruz and I don’t get it. He’s good on the Muslims, but he’s just gone off the rails on this one…

    Yup with all of the smears, he concedes that he has never met Ted Cruz.
    I smell McCain here. Old John is the kid in grammar school that wanted other kids ostracized.


  54. eaglesoars
    54 | November 4, 2013 3:38 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    They had had a tweet about the law making men pay for maternity coverage,

    No snark intended but why do those of us who don’t have children have to pay school taxes?


  55. RIX
    55 | November 4, 2013 3:40 pm

    They had had a tweet about the law making men pay for maternity coverage, but they deleted it before I could get a copy of it. Maybe Twitchy will post it later. Remember, these people who think that men can get pregnant also believe that they are the ones best suited to teach your kids about sex. @ Iron Fist:

    Biden was in Virginia lecturing about the evil, anti science Tea Party.
    This from a guy who buys into the discredited AGW hoax & thinks that energy from windmills is cutting edge.
    The truth is that all of the Climate hysterics are heirs to the Luddites.


  56. eaglesoars
    56 | November 4, 2013 3:41 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Yup with all of the smears, he concedes that he has never met Ted Cruz.
    I smell McCain here.

    He’s never MET him?? So why does McCain have it in for Cruz?

    Out. Of. The. Loop.

    That’s me.


  57. 57 | November 4, 2013 3:42 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Technically, around here we pay property taxes irrespective of whether or not we have children in the school. The school budget comes out of the property taxes, but that isn’t the only thing those taxes are going towards. Believe me, I’d rather not have my money goin gto the public schools, either. Why should a home schooler or someone with their kids in a private school have to pay “school” tax, either? But that isn’t the way they do the accounting for it. It’s all just property tax that goes into the public coffers. Where I live the only two taxes that the County and the City get are a small portion of the sales tax, and the money from property taxes. We don’t have municiple income tax (or state income tax, for that matter).


  58. 58 | November 4, 2013 3:43 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    McCain doesn’t like conservatives. I think he resents having to pretend to be one to win election, because as soon as he is safely past the election he reverts back to being a “moderate” Leftist.


  59. heysoos
    59 | November 4, 2013 3:44 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    They had had a tweet about the law making men pay for maternity coverage,
    No snark intended but why do those of us who don’t have children have to pay school taxes?

    my dad had a huge problem with that and fought over his property taxes and school waste for 40 years…of course he lost every time


  60. eaglesoars
    60 | November 4, 2013 3:49 pm

    RIX wrote:

    The truth is that all of the Climate hysterics are heirs to the Luddites.

    Biden does not Luddites from lemons.

    His wife is a snob. She has a Ph.D. in something or other and when someone addressed her as ‘Mrs. Biden’ she corrected them -- ‘It’s DOCTOR Biden’.

    No ma’am. Medical doctors are addressed as ‘Doctor’ in this country. Everyone else gets ‘Professor’

    Move to Germany.


  61. 61 | November 4, 2013 3:50 pm

    Wow! This is the Washington Post:

    By Marc A. Thiessen, Monday, November 4, 10:45 AM

    The Wall Street Journal broke the news this weekend that, even as President Obama was telling the American people they could keep their health plans, “some White House policy advisors objected to the breadth of Mr. Obama’s ‘keep your plan’ promise. They were overruled by political aides.”

    Overruled by political aides? This is simply damning.

    It’s not easy to get a lie into a presidential speech. Every draft address is circulated to the White House senior staff and key Cabinet officials in something called the “staffing process.” Every line is reviewed by dozens of senior officials, who offer comments and factual corrections. During this process, it turns out, some of Obama’s policy advisers objected to the “you can keep your plan” pledge, pointing out that it was untrue. But it stayed in the speech. That does not happen by accident. It requires a willful intent to deceive.

    Yeah, it’s an opinion piece, but I am surprised the Post ran it. It is a full-bore assault on Obama’s position. And I think it hits the mark.


  62. Speranza
    62 | November 4, 2013 3:50 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Er, the English held portions of France before there was such a thing as France. Edward Plantagenet fought in France to hold those territories many years before, as did others between Edward I and Henry V. The battle of Crecy was the predecessor to Agincourt, with the same result, and that was what — 90 years earlier?

    They held it in homage to the King of France.
    The English like to talk about Crecy, Poitiers and Agincourt but never talk about Formigny (1450) and Castillon (1453) when the French annihilated them. I wonder why? Henry V had a lot in common with Napoleon and Hitler.


  63. 63 | November 4, 2013 3:51 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I believe the “lamp by which my feet are guided” is a New Testament reference, but I forget from where.

    Psalms, actually. Psalm 119:105 Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.


  64. heysoos
    64 | November 4, 2013 3:53 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    Er, the English held portions of France before there was such a thing as France. Edward Plantagenet fought in France to hold those territories many years before, as did others between Edward I and Henry V. The battle of Crecy was the predecessor to Agincourt, with the same result, and that was what — 90 years earlier?
    They held it in homage to the King of France.
    The English like to talk about Crecy, Poitiers and Agincourt but never talk about Formigny and Castillon when the French annihilated them. I wonder why?

    reminds me of Bernard Cornwall…really good stuff


  65. RIX
    65 | November 4, 2013 3:54 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Yup with all of the smears, he concedes that he has never met Ted Cruz.
    I smell McCain here.

    He’s never MET him?? So why does McCain have it in for Cruz?

    Out. Of. The. Loop.

    That’s me.

    I was referring to Peter King, I’m sure that McCain & Cruz have met.
    I think that McCain has it in for Cruz, because he sees him as an uppity freshman senator, taking the limelight away from him. Add to that , Cruz is from the Republican wing of the Republican Party.


  66. eaglesoars
    66 | November 4, 2013 3:55 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    my dad had a huge problem with that and fought over his property taxes and school waste for 40 years…of course he lost every time

    I think the Common Core thing may change that. Or at least have some impact.

    The story Iron Fist posted about that couple that had 5 miscarriages -- it’s incredibly sad and I’ve been there. But you know what?

    Condoms are cheap. I’m not paying for what they want.

    Harsh. Yep.


  67. RIX
    67 | November 4, 2013 3:55 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    The truth is that all of the Climate hysterics are heirs to the Luddites.

    Biden does not Luddites from lemons.

    His wife is a snob. She has a Ph.D. in something or other and when someone addressed her as ‘Mrs. Biden’ she corrected them — ‘It’s DOCTOR Biden’.

    No ma’am. Medical doctors are addressed as ‘Doctor’ in this country. Everyone else gets ‘Professor’

    Move to Germany.

    Yeah, she likes the Doctor Biden thing.


  68. BatGuano
    68 | November 4, 2013 3:58 pm

    @ BatGuano:
    Now that I think about it, I believe Patrick Henry might have sympathized with the tea-partiers of 1773. Or he might have wanted to reach across the aisle to the royalists so he could have retained his job and then be called a “maverick.” I guess taking a principled stand takes some courage. Maybe we conservatives should emulate liberals and adopt their ideas so we can win more elections and extend more benefits to the lazy and legalize more illegal immigrants.
    This taking a principled stand thing is hard. Yeah, lets be democrats. it’s easier.


  69. eaglesoars
    69 | November 4, 2013 4:00 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    It’s not easy to get a lie into a presidential speech

    Um, yeah it is. How many times did FDR say we wouldn’t go to war in Europe? And he knew it was inevitable. If the POTUS wants to lie, he lies.


  70. 71 | November 4, 2013 4:08 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    No ma’am. Medical doctors are addressed as ‘Doctor’ in this country. Everyone else gets ‘Professor’

    Cough, cough… Sorry but anyone with a Ph.D is referred to as doctor, only Professors are called professor, a professor is a college instructor with a Masters Degree or a Ph.D. The reason is quite simple, a Ph.D (Doctor of Philosophy) is the highest Academic Degree one can obtain ,where as an MD is a Medical Doctor and is not as difficult to obtain or time consuming.


  71. BatGuano
    72 | November 4, 2013 4:08 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Shocker


  72. lobo91
    73 | November 4, 2013 4:08 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    No ma’am. Medical doctors are addressed as ‘Doctor’ in this country. Everyone else gets ‘Professor’ Move to Germany.

    Monica Crowley is on with Cavuto right now. She has a PhD. I don’t see her demanding to be addressed as “Dr. Crowley.”


  73. buzzsawmonkey
    74 | November 4, 2013 4:09 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    CNN Obtains Document Showing WH Officials Worried When Obamacare Website Does Work Americans Will Be Shocked By Higher Costs And Lack of Options…

    It would be nice if Obama’s cygnet-ure legislation was also his swan song…


  74. buzzsawmonkey
    75 | November 4, 2013 4:11 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Sorry but anyone with a Ph.D is referred to as doctor

    It was considered vulgar to use “Dr.” among my father’s lab colleagues, as it was assumed that everyone of a certain rank either already had or was about to get a Ph.D, and if you didn’t it was rude to call attention to that.


  75. BatGuano
    76 | November 4, 2013 4:12 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Monica Crowley is on with Cavuto right now. She has a PhD. I don’t see her demanding to be addressed as “Dr. Crowley.”

    Only those with doctorates in education insist on be addressed as “Doctor.”


  76. eaglesoars
    77 | November 4, 2013 4:13 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    No shit, Sherlock

    Yeah and fuck CNN. EVERYBODY knew and CNN declined to report it until it became safe politically with their sources.

    I don’t know if anyone saw Megyn Kelly’s interview with Ezekial Emmanual (who looks like Golem without his Precious) but it was unnerving. Few people know he is in the same bed with Sanger et. al. as an advocate for infanticide before 2 years -- when babies become sentient -- according to him


  77. 78 | November 4, 2013 4:13 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    No ma’am. Medical doctors are addressed as ‘Doctor’ in this country. Everyone else gets ‘Professor’ Move to Germany.
    Monica Crowley is on with Cavuto right now. She has a PhD. I don’t see her demanding to be addressed as “Dr. Crowley.”

    Working in both the Nuclear and Aerospace Industries, I have met a lot of Ph.D’s, the ones who do not insist on being addressed as Doctor, are the exception, not the rule. Not really difficult to understand considering it can take 15 to 20 years to obtain that title, depending on what that Ph.D is in.


  78. lobo91
    79 | November 4, 2013 4:16 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I don’t know if anyone saw Megyn Kelly’s interview with Ezekial Emmanual (who looks like Golem without his Precious) but it was unnerving. Few people know he is in the same bed with Sanger et. al. as an advocate for infanticide before 2 years

    He was on with Chris Wallace yesterday, too.


  79. 80 | November 4, 2013 4:18 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    (who looks like Golem without his Precious)

    That’s because hell is catching up with him, before he catches up with it…


  80. lobo91
    81 | November 4, 2013 4:18 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Monica Crowley is on with Cavuto right now. She has a PhD. I don’t see her demanding to be addressed as “Dr. Crowley.”

    Only those with doctorates in education insist on be addressed as “Doctor.”

    More to the point, it’s usually people who are compensating for some insecurity who insist on it outside of their workplace/academic community.

    Your plumber’s probably not impressed by your academic credentials (and probably makes more than you do, too).


  81. eaglesoars
    82 | November 4, 2013 4:20 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Sorry but anyone with a Ph.D is referred to as doctor,

    Not in my experience. But this is really a silly subject, I guess. I never went to class or was with a Ph.D. that used it.

    No desire to argue about it.


  82. RIX
    83 | November 4, 2013 4:28 pm

    Rae @MacGhil
    @Nobelprize_org How embarrassing for you. @BarackObama: “I’m really good at killing people.” Leftists love to kill people. (See history.)
    3:33 PM -- 3 Nov 2013
    via Twitchy

    This is a good point. Does the Nobel Committee want the award back after RamboBama said that, “I’m really good at killing people”?


  83. 84 | November 4, 2013 4:30 pm

    @ lobo91:

    One of my students had a doctorate in Electrical Engineering from Vanderbuilt, and she never insisted on us calling her “doctor”. In fact, the only way I found out about it was when she went through a divorce and went back to teaching EE as her primary occupation.


  84. eaglesoars
    85 | November 4, 2013 4:31 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Does the Nobel Committee want the award back after RamboBama said that, “I’m really good at killing people”?

    pfft. Does the NYT want to return Duranty’s Pulitzer?


  85. buzzsawmonkey
    86 | November 4, 2013 4:33 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    One of my students had a doctorate in Electrical Engineering from Vanderbuilt

    Lots of the people working on Obamacare had doctor-its when it came to telling the public the truth…


  86. 87 | November 4, 2013 4:34 pm

    RIX wrote:

    This is a good point. Does the Nobel Committee want the award back after RamboBama said that, “I’m really good at killing people”?

    I’m surprised this isn’t getting more play; it’s the most bone-chilling comment I’ve ever heard come from a President.


  87. RIX
    88 | November 4, 2013 4:36 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Does the Nobel Committee want the award back after RamboBama said that, “I’m really good at killing people”?

    pfft. Does the NYT want to return Duranty’s Pulitzer?

    I would guess not.Things are sideways.


  88. 89 | November 4, 2013 4:37 pm

    Nobel Prizes these days are cheap, fleeting, political tools.


  89. eaglesoars
    90 | November 4, 2013 4:37 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    I’m surprised this isn’t getting more play;

    Remember when we found out he spends part of his schedule on Tuesday with Axelrod coming up with the ‘kill list’? Axelrod was out of the White House by then.

    That story dropped down a very deep well.


  90. 91 | November 4, 2013 4:38 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    If the POTUS wants to lie, he lies.

    True enough, but what that requires is that the President himself chooses to lie. That gets Obama on the hook for the whole “If you like your insurance you can keep it” lie. He cannot claim that he “misspoke” or didn’t have all the facts or anything else. Obama lied, knowing full well that telling the truth would probably mean his signature issue (and thus his legacy) would never get passed. As it was, he barely squeaked it through, and I still don’t know how they got around the fact that all revenue bills have to originate in the House. If ObamaCare Mandate is a tax, that means it is a revenue bill, am I not correct? And ObamaCare originated in the Senate. In any event, the fact that this same lie was stated numerous times over a span of years should clue in even the lamest LIV that Obama lied so he could take their healthcare choices away from them.


  91. RIX
    92 | November 4, 2013 4:38 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    This is a good point. Does the Nobel Committee want the award back after RamboBama said that, “I’m really good at killing people”?

    I’m surprised this isn’t getting more play; it’s the most bone-chilling comment I’ve ever heard come from a President.

    The job of the President is to protect the American people, not to take perverse pleasure in killing.
    Besides his thrill is vicarious, he never get’s his hands dirty.


  92. RIX
    93 | November 4, 2013 4:40 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Nobel Prizes these days are cheap, fleeting, political tools.

    Anybody can nominate anybody. The selection committee is just a bunch of profs.


  93. buzzsawmonkey
    94 | November 4, 2013 4:42 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Anybody can nominate anybody. The selection committee is just a bunch of profs.

    With a bunch of Ph.Ds…


  94. lobo91
    95 | November 4, 2013 4:42 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I still don’t know how they got around the fact that all revenue bills have to originate in the House. If ObamaCare Mandate is a tax, that means it is a revenue bill, am I not correct? And ObamaCare originated in the Senate.

    You’re clearly under the mistaken belief that we’re still operating under the U.S. Constitution.


  95. eaglesoars
    96 | November 4, 2013 4:43 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    If ObamaCare Mandate is a tax, that means it is a revenue bill, am I not correct?

    You know who can answer that very good question? Carolina Girl. She’s a lawyer. I have no background in court rulings on that.


  96. 97 | November 4, 2013 4:43 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    it’s the most bone-chilling comment I’ve ever heard come from a President.

    He likes killing, is what that tells me, with how many scalps on the wall? I don’t guess he’s in on every drone kill, but I am certai he’s greenlighted most of them, if not all of them. He likes killing a lot. The only thing I’ve ever seen comparable is I have an instructor who is ex-Special Forces in Vietnam, and he was still bitching about not getting all his kills attributed to him 30 years later. But he also happens to be the scariest individual I’ve ever met. Obama isn’t even remotely in the same league as this man.


  97. RIX
    98 | November 4, 2013 4:44 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Anybody can nominate anybody. The selection committee is just a bunch of profs.

    With a bunch of Ph.Ds…

    Indeed & a propensity to give a award to a guy who has yet to do anything, but might.


  98. 99 | November 4, 2013 4:44 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    PhD == Piled Higher and Deeper…


  99. 100 | November 4, 2013 4:46 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Besides his thrill is vicarious, he never get’s his hands dirty.

    I wonder about that. I can see Obama wanting to be the one that fired the missile when the time came with as much enthusiasm as I had a Reaganite’s retirement party when they let me touch off 20 pounds of military grade dynamite.


  100. buzzsawmonkey
    101 | November 4, 2013 4:46 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    PhD == Piled Higher and Deeper…

    Depends on the field. The guys my father worked with on the atomic and hydrogen bombs and the low-temperature experiments knew their stuff on the slide rule and pad, and built their own apparatus from scratch.


  101. 102 | November 4, 2013 4:47 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Like I said, Edward I fought in “France” to protect his lands there, and there was no such thing as “France” then. Edward was Norman, remember. So far as the Normans were concerned, the fact that they conquered England had nothing to do with their claimed lands in what we now call France.


  102. RIX
    103 | November 4, 2013 4:51 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Besides his thrill is vicarious, he never get’s his hands dirty.

    I wonder about that. I can see Obama wanting to be the one that fired the missile when the time came with as much enthusiasm as I had a Reaganite’s retirement party when they let me touch off 20 pounds of military grade dynamite.

    Obama is a nasty piece of work. He has no real respect for what he refers to as “My Military”
    Yet he gets a thrill out of killing, while our troops are just doing their duty


  103. 104 | November 4, 2013 4:52 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    In my business, and especially in a formal meeting, somebody with a PhD is addressed as “Doctor” unless he/she is an actual professor, in which case either “Doctor” or “Professor” is acceptable. That term is used unless or until they tell you otherwise. It’s considered simple courtesy. After business, over beers, things are different.


  104. 105 | November 4, 2013 4:54 pm

    @ RIX:

    They gave the Nobel Peace Prize to Yassir Arafat. That alone shows that it isn’t worth a bucket of warm piss. It is a political statement made by a bunch of Leftists. That is really all it is. It might have been more than that at some time in the past, but it no longer has any deep or significant meaning.


  105. lobo91
    106 | November 4, 2013 4:59 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    As bad as the one given to Arafat was, Obama’s was worse.

    They could at least pretend that Arafat did something to achieve peace between his people and the Israelis. Other than winning an election, though, what had Obama done to justify his?


  106. eaglesoars
    107 | November 4, 2013 5:01 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Reaganite’s retirement party

    that was a GREAT weekend……..


  107. 108 | November 4, 2013 5:04 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Other than winning an election, though, what had Obama done to justify his?

    Oh, absolutely nothing. Obama has never deserved most, if not all, of the acolades he’s ever been given. His voting record is unimpressive (“present” most of the time), his legal expertise is questionable (at best), and he got into his elite schools through an unsavory combination of personal connections and Affirmative Action. And Affirmative Action is really why the Nobel Comittee gave Obama the Prize. It was entirely race-based. If Obama had been named Joe Smith and had been white, he wouldn’t have even gotten cursory examination for it.


  108. 109 | November 4, 2013 5:05 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    It was indeed. Best Party I’ve ever been to. It’s hard to go wrong with machineguns and explosives as the principle form of entertainment.


  109. 111 | November 4, 2013 5:08 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Yeah, I saw that one. I think I’d sue for defamation.


  110. eaglesoars
    112 | November 4, 2013 5:09 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Other than winning an election, though, what had Obama done to justify his?

    I’ve managed to convince myself that it was a sop to the Muslims. IIRC, there were rapes galore over there and ‘no go’ areas for law enforcement. There was -- and still is -- some suspicion about his affinity for Islam and Muslim countries -- and they were hoping it would tamp down the violence in their own countries.

    Remember the car burnings in France?


  111. lobo91
    113 | November 4, 2013 5:12 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I would, too.


  112. lobo91
    114 | November 4, 2013 5:13 pm

    White House Admits No Applications Can Be Processed If Website Is Down

    You will have to forgive me for some gloating and editorializing today but two weeks ago members of the company SERCO were present at the Congressional hearings on Healthcare.gov.

    During the hearings an employee from the company testified that paper applications for Obamacare cannot be processed if the website was down. I have been reciting this fact for nearly two weeks.

    Today, Deputy Minister Of Propaganda Jay Carney admitted that yes, if Healthcare.gov is down, not one application for health insurance can be processed either over the phone or through paper application.

    This is a hilariously designed system isn’t it? Think about this even for a New York Minute. Paper applications and phone applications CANNOT be processed because all the person on the other end does is enter the data into healthcare.gov for you. Really think about that. People who process paper applications, in many cases, those unvetted navigators, will be in possession of your social security number, your address and date of birth.


  113. 115 | November 4, 2013 5:14 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    There was — and still is — some suspicion about his affinity for Islam and Muslim countries — and they were hoping it would tamp down the violence in their own countries.

    I don’t really believe that Obama is a Muslim. I think Obama is an atheist. He knows no gods before Himself. But he does have a fondness for and affinity to Islam. I don’t think there can be any question of that. Speaking of such a thing, Obama is going to let Iran get atomic weapons. Thi sNobel Peace Prize winner may bear responsibility for the first nuclear war. Certainly not the sole responsibility, but Obama and military action is probably the only thing standing between the world and a nuclear Iran.


  114. lobo91
    116 | November 4, 2013 5:14 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    There was — and still is — some suspicion about his affinity for Islam and Muslim countries — and they were hoping it would tamp down the violence in their own countries.

    Didn’t work so well, did it? They hate us more now than they did when Bush was in office.


  115. 117 | November 4, 2013 5:18 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Bush was a Strong Horse. They were afraid of, and consequently respectful to, George Bush. Obama, OTOH, doesn’t scare them in the least. They know he is just piss and wind, and that he doesn’t have the stomach for real war. Obama no doubt sees drone strikes as his own personal video game, but he wouldn’t feel the same way if he had to engage the enemy himself. Bush was a fighter pilot. Obama is a frightened schoolgirl.


  116. lobo91
    118 | November 4, 2013 5:18 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    This Nobel Peace Prize winner may bear responsibility for the first nuclear war. Certainly not the sole responsibility, but Obama and military action is probably the only thing standing between the world and a nuclear Iran.

    As long as it doesn’t actually happen until after January 20, 2017, they won’t blame him, of course.

    Remember how 9/11 was all Bush’s fault, even though he’d only been in office for 8 months, and we know that the attack was in the works for 5 years.


  117. MikeA
    119 | November 4, 2013 5:19 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Penn. Father Complains About School Assignment Having A Liberal Bias, Teacher’s Union Responds By Saying He Might Be A “Neo-Nazi”…

    Read that. Funny thing is… the father is Jewish!!!


  118. 120 | November 4, 2013 5:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Remember how 9/11 was all Bush’s fault, even though he’d only been in office for 8 months, and we know that the attack was in the works for 5 years.

    Yeah, and unless you were really paying attention, you’d have never known that Clinton turned down an offer from the Sudan to present us with bin Laden wearing a shiny bow. Bush never, not once blamed the circumstances of his Presidency on Clinton. Obama, of course, is still blaming Bush.


  119. 121 | November 4, 2013 5:29 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Clinton played footsie with al-Qaeda in Bosnia as well.


  120. 122 | November 4, 2013 5:30 pm

    New Thread


  121. 123 | November 4, 2013 5:35 pm

    @ Goldwaterite:
    Yah, and I reckon that we still have troops in the Balkans. Not many, I don’t think, and not under fire, but we are still there. I used to work with a guy who was Serbian. I appologized to him for our acts under Clinton. I don’t appologize for much that the United States has done. But we should have never gotten involved in the Balkans. And we are damned lucky that that Brit general refused Weaselly Clarks order to start World War III there.


  122. lobo91
    124 | November 4, 2013 5:49 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    We have about 800 troops in Kosovo still, out of a total of 7,000 or so NATO forces there.


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