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Concerning Jane Fonda and Pope Francis

by Speranza ( 168 Comments › )
Filed under Bill Clinton at December 20th, 2013 - 1:00 pm

Somehow I’ll bet that the Obama’s are not exactly the most generous charity givers out there.

by Bret Stepens

In the same week that Pope Francis was named Time’s Person of the Year, word arrived of the charitable contributions made by the Jane Fonda Foundation. Grand total for the years 2007 to 2011: zero dollars. The last time Ms. Fonda’s Foundation made a charitable gift, reports the Smoking Gun website, was in 2006, to the tune of $1,000.

The Foundation itself has $800,000 in assets. Ms. Fonda’s representatives insist she’s made larger gifts, particularly through her family foundation, which in 2011 made about $350,000 in contributions from $7.2 million in net assets. But even that’s not quite 5%, the legal minimum required to remain a private foundation.

Ms. Fonda isn’t exactly the world’s first cheapskate limousine liberal: Think of Bill Clinton claiming a tax deduction for donating his underwear, or the $353 Al Gore gave to charity in 1997. But the contrast between Francis and Fonda is worth pondering as liberals cheer—and conservatives try, uneasily, to explain or ignore—the pope’s recent denunciation of economic concepts championed by this newspaper.

Here is what the pope wrote in his 50,000-word apostolic exhortation, published last month:

[.....]

Two thoughts. First, I’m glad the only economics ministry the pope runs is the Vatican’s. The trickle-down theories he simplistically denounces have done more to bring people out of poverty than any government program or charitable institution in history, including the Church.

Second, I don’t begrudge Francis his views. After a life of tending to the poor in the villas miserias of Buenos Aires, he’s earned them. The same can’t be said for Ms. Fonda, Mr. Clinton, Mr. Gore—or, for that matter, Barack Obama, Elizabeth Warren and other high priests of liberal cant and leftist hypocrisy.

[.......]

Has Sen. Warren ever been offered a meal in a slum she feared would make her sick, but eaten it in simple gratitude for the gesture? Just wondering.

Francis also electrifies because he seems to understand that it is not enough to account for the Church’s moral failings by citing St. Paul’s line about holding “this treasure in jars of clay.” Catholic ministers can be sinners like the rest of us, but the Church’s jars of clay need not be stuffed with a German bishop’s $20,000 bath tub, or by a Vatican Bank that is a model for the corruption Francis denounces in his exhortation, or by cardinals who denounce the “grotesque subversion” of homosexuality right until the moment they own up to making passes at priests and seminarians.

In other words, he knows that personal example matters, both in its own right and especially when it comes to persuasion. Can the same be said of Harry Reid exempting members of his staff from ObamaCare coverage? Or Al Gore living in a mansion that in 2007 consumed 12 times more electricity than the average neighborhood home and later selling Current TV to the government of Qatar? Or Sen. Warren earning hundreds of thousands of dollars by defending Travelers Insurance and other corporate giants in class-action suits? Or columnists who declaim against the dangers of income and social inequality while enjoying tenured jobs at Ivy League schools?

Yes, we know that Al bought indulgences—aka carbon offsets—for his Nashville manse, and that Qatar, with the world’s highest per capita carbon footprint, just happened to be the right buyer for his failing channel. We also know that Harry just “followed the law” that he helped craft and nobody else can understand, and the former Cherokee Indian was just doing what lawyers do, and the former Enron adviser never apologizes for anything.  [.......]

The world will always have its share of hypocrites in high places, and Lord knows conservatives aren’t exempt. Still, liberals wondering what went wrong for them politically this season should look beyond the technical and managerial incompetence and the flaws in the policy design. The people who represent liberalism today are an unattractive bunch. They need their own Francis, leading their own moral renewal. Barack Obama isn’t it.

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  1. 1 | December 20, 2013 1:17 pm

    Liberalism is not about being right. It is an excuse for being wrong.


  2. Speranza
    2 | December 20, 2013 2:45 pm

    Wow this thread is really moving along.


  3. Speranza
    3 | December 20, 2013 2:45 pm

    The Other Les wrote:

    Liberalism is not about being right. It is an excuse for being wrong.

    Liberalism is all about “feelings”.


  4. Speranza
    4 | December 20, 2013 2:46 pm

    Or Sen. Warren earning hundreds of thousands of dollars by defending Travelers Insurance and other corporate giants in class-action suits?

    Fauxcahontas is one of the more repulsive people in the Senate.


  5. BatGuano
    5 | December 20, 2013 2:57 pm

    @ Speranza:
    I was shocked that she was elected. My mom told me that her dad claimed one quarter Cherokee ancestory. I can find no genaological evidence so I’m certainly not going to say I am a “native American.”


  6. RIX
    6 | December 20, 2013 3:05 pm

    That fool; that somehow got elected reelected to the Presidncy is now droning on & on at his farewell press conference before he heads ofv for a fabulous 17 day Hawaiian vacation .
    He is a petulant child, nothing but nothing is his fault.


  7. 7 | December 20, 2013 3:10 pm

    @ Speranza:
    @ BatGuano:

    I fail to see any Democrat that shouldn’t have “loser” tattooed on their forehead. Even “messiah” Obama is a one-dimensional version of a styrofoam column……with a pissy attitude. And the buzz in Democrat circles is who Hillary friggin’ Clinton may face in the primaries? Seriously?


  8. BatGuano
    8 | December 20, 2013 3:37 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Seriously?

    I agree with everything you wrote but I did submit, ” Seriously?” to lake Superior State university for a banned word or phrase.
    http://www.lssu.edu/banished/current.php


  9. 9 | December 20, 2013 3:40 pm

    Fonda jumped on every cause she could to remain relevant after Vietnam. When there was the whole “equal pay” movement, she ups and makes the movie “9 to 5″ which was just peachy in the way it portrayed women in the workplace -- didn’t miss a single stereotype. Of course, she had serious egg on her face when it was revealed, after the movie was released, that she paid her MALE employees at her various enterprises more than her female employees for comparable work.

    I remember Biden’s charitable giving one year -- something like $280 when he drew over $200,000 in reportable income. I gave more to the damn United Way campaign at work.


  10. Bumr50
    10 | December 20, 2013 3:41 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Wow this thread is really moving along.

    Love the column, but I’m out doing sh*t.

    There are as many on the Right that want Francis to be the “social justice, Liberation Theology Pope” as there are on the left for their own bigoted reasons.


  11. 11 | December 20, 2013 3:42 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Amazing how the libs are all apoplectic over the use of REDSKINS for a team name and have nothing to say about a woman who has faked Native American heritage for political and financial gain. Which is more insulting to Indians?


  12. 12 | December 20, 2013 3:43 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    Seriously?

    I agree with everything you wrote but I did submit, ” Seriously?” to lake Superior State university for a banned word or phrase.
    http://www.lssu.edu/banished/current.php

    I’ll tell you what, I’ll plead guilty to a lesser charge- Written Laziness. ;)


  13. BatGuano
    13 | December 20, 2013 3:43 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    The Pope should stick to religious stuff and stay away from economics.


  14. BatGuano
    14 | December 20, 2013 3:46 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    I’ll tell you what, I’ll plead guilty to a lesser charge- Written Laziness. ;)

    You are a mensch. You are absolved. :)


  15. 15 | December 20, 2013 3:53 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    The Pope should stick to religious stuff and stay away from economics.

    I always kind of expect the Pope, and priests in general, to be all about peace, love and charity, whilst being an unequivocal advocate of the poor and highly suspicious of the rich. They’re highly multi-dimensional on spiritual matters but not so much on temporal matters.


  16. darkwords
    16 | December 20, 2013 3:55 pm

    Brad Thor ‏@BradThor 4m
    Revealed: ‘#Pajamaboy’ is an OFA employee who attended UW-Madison « The Greenroom http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2013/12/19/revealed-pajama-boy-is-an-ofa-employee-who-attended-uw-madison/ … via @hotairblog and @guypbenson


  17. 17 | December 20, 2013 3:56 pm

    Besides, Jesus asked that his disciples give all their worldly goods away and follow Him. Given that, Pop e Francis is kinda letting us off easy. ;)


  18. 18 | December 20, 2013 3:58 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    You are a mensch. You are absolved.

    Thank you my friend, I’ll try and sin no more.


  19. BatGuano
    20 | December 20, 2013 4:01 pm

    Must take a nap before work. bye.


  20. heysoos
    21 | December 20, 2013 4:06 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Funny Pajama Boy meme at “The People’s Cube”

    some funny stuff in there…thanks for that


  21. Speranza
    22 | December 20, 2013 4:09 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I was shocked that she was elected. My mom told me that her dad claimed one quarter Cherokee ancestory. I can find no genaological evidence so I’m certainly not going to say I am a “native American.”

    She is a liar and an out and out hypocritical millioniare Socialist.


  22. Speranza
    23 | December 20, 2013 4:10 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    I fail to see any Democrat that shouldn’t have “loser” tattooed on their forehead. Even “messiah” Obama is a one-dimensional version of a styrofoam column……with a pissy attitude. And the buzz in Democrat circles is who Hillary friggin’ Clinton may face in the primaries? Seriously?

    Strong rumor that Jerry Moonbeam Brown might run in 2016.


  23. Bumr50
    24 | December 20, 2013 4:11 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Oleg Atbashian.

    Owner of the site.


  24. Speranza
    25 | December 20, 2013 4:11 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Amazing how the libs are all apoplectic over the use of REDSKINS for a team name and have nothing to say about a woman who has faked Native American heritage for political and financial gain. Which is more insulting to Indians?

    The perpetual outrage machine picks and chooses its “outrage du jour”.


  25. 26 | December 20, 2013 4:12 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    Funny Pajama Boy meme at “The People’s Cube”

    some funny stuff in there…thanks for that

    The guy who runs that site used to be a propaganda artist in the Soviet Union.


  26. 27 | December 20, 2013 4:17 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Strong rumor that Jerry Moonbeam Brown might run in 2016.

    Clearly running on his successes in California, right? ;) Those Dems and their delusions are the stuff of psychiatry papers…..


  27. 28 | December 20, 2013 4:19 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Only an demented idiot like Brown would think that being governor of the failing state of California would be useful as a springboard to national office. If the country didn’t want him when he was in his late 40′s and passably good looking with that ersatz rock star persona, they sure as hell aren’t going to like Dodderbean, the octegenarian.


  28. 29 | December 20, 2013 4:21 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Hell, Feinstein thought she’d make a good Governor and only stepped aside in 2014 when Moonbeam announced that he was seeking a THIRD term because “the two-term limit hadn’t been law when I was governor.” What I suspect it was was that he didn’t want to end his career as Attorney General.


  29. lobo91
    30 | December 20, 2013 4:24 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    According to the MSM, Brown has been amazingly successful in this term as governor.

    Of course, they’re a bunch of drooling morons…


  30. 31 | December 20, 2013 4:42 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    I can find no genaological evidence so I’m certainly not going to say I am a “native American.”

    One of my ancestors was the first white man born west of the Appalachians. Other ancestors were already here. My grandfather’s grandfather came back to Tennessee from Oklahoma. I don’t know whether he was on the Trail of Tears as a child, or if that would have been his parents. Either way, there’ sonly one way Cherokee got to Oklahoma in the mid 1800s, and it wasn’t by Greyhound. I’ve never tried at all to get any special treatment for my heritage. It wouldn’t seem right. But I know I am more Native American that Fauxcohantas. She is example number one as to why Affirmative Action is just bullshit racial discrimination.


  31. 32 | December 20, 2013 4:44 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Only an demented idiot like Brown would think that being governor of the failing state of California would be useful as a springboard to national office.

    Oh, I am sure all of the Leftists in the large urban areas would vote for him. They look at California and Detroit and they don’t see a warning. They see a model of what they want society to be.


  32. eaglesoars
    33 | December 20, 2013 4:46 pm

    I about choked when I read Fonda’s charity had $800K in the bank. That’s it? That’s NOT a lot of money, especially considering what she herself could kick in. IIRC, she became a Christian and set it up to help pregnant unmarried girls -- or to help them not become pregnant in the first place or something. I think she cited her -- um -- faith -- as one of the reasons her marriage to Ted Turner failed. I haven’t seen any ads from her charity letting people know it is there and what kind of services it could provide. Of course, that probably would not go over well in Hollywood.

    As for the Pope -- he seems to have a good PR machine in place. I read his ‘trickle down’ piece -- and maybe the translation did leave a bit to be desired -- maybe ‘social justice’ doesn’t mean to him what it means to me. I’ll wait and remain wary. I miss Pope Ben.


  33. eaglesoars
    34 | December 20, 2013 4:47 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    check yer mail.


  34. 35 | December 20, 2013 4:48 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    The Pope should stick to religious stuff and stay away from economics.

    How many divisions has the Pope? I agree that his political commentary is disconcerting. Feed the poor? Certainly that is a responsibility for the Church, but for the State? Not so much. Personally, I’d much rather see the social welfare stuff ran out of the Church. It would mean an end to farming the votes for Democrats there. Unfortunately, though, there are a lot of ministers (not just Catholics) who look to Big Government to do the job of the Church. Charity is voluntary. By definition, confiscating money from the populace is not.


  35. heysoos
    36 | December 20, 2013 4:48 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    the charity is in violation of the law and I’m sure the IRS knows it…more selective enforcement


  36. 37 | December 20, 2013 4:49 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I miss Pope Ben.

    Yeah, me too.


  37. eaglesoars
    38 | December 20, 2013 4:50 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I’ve never tried at all to get any special treatment for my heritage

    My special treatment is my Shawnee nose. *sigh*


  38. eaglesoars
    39 | December 20, 2013 4:52 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    the charity is in violation of the law and I’m sure the IRS knows it…more selective enforcement

    I think she just needed something to do, got bored, and forgot about it.


  39. 40 | December 20, 2013 4:54 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Emailed you back :mrgreen:

    Merry Christmas!


  40. eaglesoars
    41 | December 20, 2013 4:57 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Feed the poor? Certainly that is a responsibility for the Church, but for the State?

    I think it’s an INDIVIDUAL responsibility. Oh, as for how much Biden, et. al., give to charity….I assume this info comes from tax returns. I don’t consider that a reliable indicator. If you looked at ours, we give ZERO. We don’t declare it. We don’t feel it’s anyone’s business knowing who/what we support, certainly not the gov’t.


  41. 42 | December 20, 2013 4:57 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    My father’s mother was about half-Indian, but she would not admit it. When she was a kid, discrimination against Indians was a given fact. I don’t know that much about her. She never talked much about family. I’ve never known anything about her father, and my father claimed he didn’t know anything, either. Maybe someday I’ll go on Ancestry.com and see what I can dig up. On my mother’s side of the family we have cousins who are Mormon, so they have a pretty thorough knowledge about where that side of the family came from.


  42. 43 | December 20, 2013 4:58 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    How many divisions has the Pope? I agree that his political commentary is disconcerting. Feed the poor? Certainly that is a responsibility for the Church, but for the State? Not so much. Personally, I’d much rather see the social welfare stuff ran out of the Church. It would mean an end to farming the votes for Democrats there. Unfortunately, though, there are a lot of ministers (not just Catholics) who look to Big Government to do the job of the Church. Charity is voluntary. By definition, confiscating money from the populace is not.

    I’m sure his real-world experience in Argentina has had a tremendous impact on his views about the rich and the poor. Americans are the most generous, charitable people in history and they comprise the lion’s share of money flowing into the Vatican by virtue of capitalism. It does seem as though he’d know that.


  43. 44 | December 20, 2013 5:01 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I assume this info comes from tax returns.

    That would be my assumption. And I agree that it is also an individual responsibility. We give a little. I’ve been paying for the education of a Haitian child for the last two or three years. We did that through our Church. I am wanting to start mentoring a child from our inner city, but I can’t ever seem to get the paperwork done. They do a full background check and want three references. Which makes sense. You wouldn’t want a convicted pedophile mentoring a child.


  44. 45 | December 20, 2013 5:03 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    I’m sure his real-world experience in Argentina has had a tremendous impact on his views about the rich and the poor.

    No doubt. By world standards, America’s poor are still rich. We may be the only nation in the world where obesity is a disease that coincides with poverty.


  45. lobo91
    46 | December 20, 2013 5:05 pm

    ‘I’m No Marxist’, Pope Francis Tells Conservative Critics

    Pope Francis, responding to conservative criticisms that his economic and social ideas smack of communism, said in an Italian newspaper interview on Sunday that he is not a Marxist but that even Marxists can be good people.

    Francis also denied reports that he would name a woman cardinal, said there was good progress in cleaning up Vatican finances and confirmed that he would visit Israel and the Palestinian territories next year, La Stampa said.

    Last month, American radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh, who has a huge following in the United States, railed against the pope for written comments made on the world economy.

    Limbaugh, who is not Catholic, said that parts of the document were “pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the pope” and suggested that someone else had written the papal document for him. He also accused the pope of going “beyond Catholicism” and being “purely political.”

    Asked about the accusations, which sparked a debate in the media and blogosphere last month, Francis, a member of the all-male Jesuit order associated with progressive social policies, said, “Marxist ideology is wrong. But in my life I have known many Marxists who are good people, so I don’t feel offended.”

    He has also been criticized by other conservatives.

    In last month’s document, seen as a platform for his papacy, Francis attacked unfettered capitalism as “a new tyranny” said an “economy of exclusion and inequality” had proven to be deadly for many people around the world.

    In his response to the critics, Francis said he was not speaking “as a technician but according to the social doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church, and this does not mean being Marxist”. He said he was just trying to present a “snapshot of what is happening” in the world today.


  46. 47 | December 20, 2013 5:08 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    that even Marxists can be good people.

    I strongly disagree with that. Marxism is an evil ideology. It is institutionalized slavery in a way that the Plantations in the South could have never hoped to equal.


  47. heysoos
    48 | December 20, 2013 5:11 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I put a Jamaican kid through a technical school up in Ontario somewhere…I well super pleased to do it, I watched him grow up and now he has kids of his own…not about the money


  48. 49 | December 20, 2013 5:12 pm

    @ heysoos:

    That is cool. Indeed, it is easy to lose perspective on the rest of the world. We are a very fortunate society.


  49. eaglesoars
    50 | December 20, 2013 5:13 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    When she was a kid, discrimination against Indians was a given fact.

    You and I have cultural heritages that are regionally very different. If you look at SW Penna, there is a LOT of indian history there. James Michener wrote a book about my family Centennial. My Shawnee ancestors were liasons to Geo. Washington during the Revolution. My paternal grandfather looked like a warrior and was the most physically intimidating man you ever saw. There was no discrimination.

    The Irish, however, got it in the neck -- IF they were Catholic. My family was Irish Protestant and the most anti-Catholic bigots on the planet. My grandfather joined the KKK to protect against the ‘Papists’ and when one of his sons -- Uncle Ray -- married an Irish Catholic girl they about disowned him.

    But she was beautiful and fun and everybody finally fell in love with her.


  50. lobo91
    51 | December 20, 2013 5:15 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I do too, but I’m not the Pope. He’d probably disagree with my plan to shoot anyone who breaks into my house, too.


  51. 52 | December 20, 2013 5:16 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I’ve never really seen the anti-Catholic thing, much. Not around here. Now that said, I once did a course of study with the Seventh Day Adventist church, and they were extremely anti-Catholic. It was really ridiculous. I’m not and never was a Seventh Day Adventist, but I’m pretty open to discussing theology with people. Never was interested in becoming a minister, though. Not my thing.


  52. rain of lead
    53 | December 20, 2013 5:19 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Just got back from the hobbit…..you’ll like it i think . it was the fastest 2.5
    Hour movie i’ve seen. whole lotta fun


  53. 54 | December 20, 2013 5:19 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Probably. I’ve debated Christians who think that it is immoral to own weapons. That’s not a theological position that anyone is going to convince me of. Nor is it one that is supported by Scripture. It is all well and good to say “Turn the other cheek”, but it is not my responsibility to spare people from the just consequences of their actions.


  54. rain of lead
    55 | December 20, 2013 5:21 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Make sure you see it in 3-d


  55. eaglesoars
    56 | December 20, 2013 5:21 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I put a Jamaican kid through a technical school up in Ontario somewhere…I well super pleased to do it, I watched him grow up and now he has kids of his own…not about the money

    For YEARS we ‘adopted’ children thru Christian Children’s Fund -- got 2 boys in Mexico thru high school and helped their families (they ‘age out’ at 18).

    it’s no longer Christian Children’s Fund. It’s something else. I had a little girl who ‘disappeared’ and another who, basically, never showed up. Both were Sioux on reservations, apparently, and the org would never tell me what happened to them. I pulled my money. I called and it sounded to me like it was just one big scam. I’m not sure those little girls even existed. I KNOW the boys in Mexico existed -- got a letter from one of them when he turned 20 -- how he found us I’ll never know.


  56. 57 | December 20, 2013 5:21 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    Cool. I pretty much know that I am going to like it. Jackson did such a good job with LOTR, and I was really impressed with the first installment. Not sure when I’ll go see it, though. Maybe on Christmas Day.


  57. rain of lead
    58 | December 20, 2013 5:26 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    He really fleashsl out the story to make it a real prelude to lotr


  58. 59 | December 20, 2013 5:26 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yeah, you have to watch for scam artists. They really know how to tug on the heart strings. The most despicable of the ones that do that are like PETA, the Humane Society of the United States. None of the money goes to help the animals, or precious little of it. They are Left-wing political slush funds. It is infuriating. Local Humane Societies are different, though they still kill an awful lot of animals. I know no-kill shelters are expensive to run, but I couldn’t work in a job that required me to put down perfectly healthy animals. It was hard enough to put the three cats that we’ve lost in the last couple of year, and they were all three terribly ill (one wit FeLV, one with Cancer, and one with bowel disease; Little boy only weighed a little over 4 pounds when we put him down).


  59. 60 | December 20, 2013 5:28 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    Yeah, from the trailers it looks like he really put in a lot about going to war with the Necromancer. In the book, that only got mentioned in passing.


  60. eaglesoars
    61 | December 20, 2013 5:35 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    the Humane Society of the United States.

    Well, let’s not start on those we’ve held as they died, otherwise I’d have to start drinking and so would you. I can’t go there.

    As for the Humane Society: A dairy farm we know hired a hand who, unknown to them, was an undercover Humane Society plant. He hid a camera in the barn and proceeded to abuse the animals, filming the entire time. It took them about 2 days to realize something was wrong -- the animals were upset, their milk production was down, AND THE DOGS HATED HIM (tell me about cats who could care less) etc.

    nightmare.


  61. lobo91
    63 | December 20, 2013 5:37 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    HSUS is the worst, because they pretend to be a group that saves pets. At least people know what PETA is.

    I really think HSUS should be shut down for fraud and false advertising.


  62. 64 | December 20, 2013 5:41 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yeah, it is interesting how the Left will go undercover and do the things that they accuse the Right of doing. They like to make the incidents that they are then railing against. That is all too common. I remember when NBC did the “undercover” thing in Food Lion, and took footage of them doing all kinds of things. None of that was happening on it’s own. They were quite literally creating the behavior that they then “exposed”. That put a lot of Food Lion stores out of business. That means a lot of people lost their job because of this.


  63. heysoos
    65 | December 20, 2013 5:41 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    my guy was just a typical Jamaican boy, loved soccer and the ocean…his folks were about my age, a bit older, they ran a little cafe/bar down in Jamaica…
    http://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g147314-d1238710-Reviews-Woody_s_Low_Bridge_Place-Port_Antonio_Portland_Parish_Jamaica.html
    knew them for years…I set up a bank account in Toronto and would wire money to him…he was a hell of a miser til he found a girl friend…but I paid for his school and other stuff for over three years…he’s now a Master Electrician, has his own business and his dream come true…the rest is history….I’d do it again in a heartbeat


  64. 66 | December 20, 2013 5:42 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I really think HSUS should be shut down for fraud and false advertising

    Absolutely, but they are a Leftist organization, so no one will do anything about them. There is no doubt that they are defrauding people. The Feds just don’t care.


  65. coldwarrior
    67 | December 20, 2013 5:43 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    As for the Humane Society: A dairy farm we know hired a hand who, unknown to them, was an undercover Humane Society plant. He hid a camera in the barn and proceeded to abuse the animals, filming the entire time. It took them about 2 days to realize something was wrong — the animals were upset, their milk production was down, AND THE DOGS HATED HIM (tell me about cats who could care less) etc.

    he should be doing time for that. i hope


  66. coldwarrior
    68 | December 20, 2013 5:44 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Walmart Selling Out of Duck Dynasty Merchandise After A&E Suspends Phil Robertson…

    the paula dean effect


  67. heysoos
    69 | December 20, 2013 5:46 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ rain of lead:
    Yeah, from the trailers it looks like he really put in a lot about going to war with the Necromancer. In the book, that only got mentioned in passing.

    the Dwarves in the Hobbit are utterly eye poppin….they are worth the price alone


  68. 70 | December 20, 2013 5:48 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Cool. I’m definitely going to see it. Probably not this weekend, but maybe next week.


  69. rain of lead
    71 | December 20, 2013 5:49 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    don’t forget when they blew up a truck claiming it was a fire hazzard


  70. 72 | December 20, 2013 5:53 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    Yeah, that was NBC, too, wasn’t it? I remember that they had to settle with the car company for millions in free advertisement. It is unreal. They think that they can’t get caught. And, too often they don’t get caught. I really wonder what all is really going on that we aren’t hearing the truth about? There really aren’t that many people trying to hold the Media’s feet to the fire. I remember Jason Blair, and the reason he got away with it for so long was tat he was reporting what his editors wanted to see. It was all lies, but they were Leftist lies, which is better than Right-wing truth.


  71. lobo91
    73 | December 20, 2013 5:53 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Walmart Selling Out of Duck Dynasty Merchandise After A&E Suspends Phil Robertson…

    the paula dean effect

    Unfortunately, when people buy this stuff, A&E is the main beneficiary, because they own the rights to the trademark.

    The Duck Commander line is owned by the family.


  72. coldwarrior
    74 | December 20, 2013 6:00 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    Walmart Selling Out of Duck Dynasty Merchandise After A&E Suspends Phil Robertson…
    the paula dean effect
    Unfortunately, when people buy this stuff, A&E is the main beneficiary, because they own the rights to the trademark.
    The Duck Commander line is owned by the family.

    i’m sure the duck guyz are getting a pretty good cut


  73. 75 | December 20, 2013 6:01 pm

    A judge has struck down Utah’s ban on gay marriage:

    SALT LAKE CITY — A federal judge has struck down Utah’s same-sex marriage ban, saying it is unconstitutional. U.S. District Judge Robert J. Shelby issued a 53-page ruling Friday saying Utah’s law passed by voters in 2004 violates gay and lesbian couples’ rights to due process and equal protection under the 14th Amendment. Shelby says the state failed to show that allowing same-sex marriages would affect opposite-sex marriages in any way, and the state’s unsupported fears and speculations are insufficient to justify deny allowing same-sex marriages. Attorneys for the state argued that Utah’s law promotes the state’s interest in “responsible procreation” and the “optimal mode of child-rearing.” The lawsuit was brought by three gay and lesbian couples in Utah.

    Where to start? They are, again, ordering a religious institution to do something that the religion disagrees with. Because they won’t stop with merely allowing the gays to marry. This is going to be used as a bludgeon against traditional religion (if that religion is Christian). Just as they are trying to force the Catholic Church to pay for abortion coverage for their employees, they will force Christian Churches to perform gay marriages. You can see that coming. Another thing that will be interesting to watch will be when some fundamentalist Mormons demand the right to Polygamy. If you allow (nay, order) homosexual “marriage”, what grounds to you have to stand on outlawing polygamy? I don’t see any. The prejudice against polygamy is an artifact of American tradition, but that same tradition doesn’t condone gay marriage. I don’t see how you stop polygamy now.


  74. eaglesoars
    76 | December 20, 2013 6:03 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    he’s now a Master Electrician, has his own business and his dream come true…the rest is history….I’d do it again in a heartbeat

    mensch. you.

    coldwarrior wrote:

    he should be doing time for that. i hope

    It was taken care of.

    Oh, btw, blessings on the new addition to the family. Your Molly is gorgeous.


  75. heysoos
    77 | December 20, 2013 6:03 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    just go with the flow…your vote is pointless as the courts have proven…I could care less how many wives a man has, none of my affair


  76. rain of lead
    78 | December 20, 2013 6:04 pm

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/12/breaking-duck-dynasty-sponsor-if-robertsons-leave-ae-were-going-with-them-video/

    Lonny McCurry, CEO of Skyjacker Suspension Systems, told Eric Bolling today that if “Duck Dynasty” leaves A&E his company is going with them.


  77. eaglesoars
    79 | December 20, 2013 6:07 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    They are, again, ordering a religious institution to do something that the religion disagrees with.

    Well, I’m waiting for all the Catholic priests to be thrown in jail.

    In the SNL comedy skit I’m writing in my head, the progs win everything they want -- the only people left are themselves in their onesies and -- OOPSIES!! -- the muslims.


  78. heysoos
    80 | December 20, 2013 6:08 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/12/breaking-duck-dynasty-sponsor-if-robertsons-leave-ae-were-going-with-them-video/
    Lonny McCurry, CEO of Skyjacker Suspension Systems, told Eric Bolling today that if “Duck Dynasty” leaves A&E his company is going with them.

    this stupid rumble is more entertaining than the show itself!


  79. 81 | December 20, 2013 6:13 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    the only people left are themselves in their onesies and — OOPSIES!! — the muslims.

    Yeah, that fight would be over before it was fought. The Left would die in droves, most likely completely befuddled about how this was happening to them. Remember on 9-11 Michael Moore whined that the Muslims killed the wrong people. Not against their terrorism, but against their chosen target. They don’t seem to get that they are every bit as much an “infidel” as I am. In the eyes of Islam, you are an infidel if you have a practiced, culturally sensitive Atheism.


  80. eaglesoars
    82 | December 20, 2013 6:18 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Yeah, that fight would be over before it was fought

    I’m loving the cultural backlash I’m seeing. Never watched Duck Dynasty and Paula Deene’s food is a bit much for me.

    I’m trying to respond to your email, but yahoo is fucked up again.


  81. 83 | December 20, 2013 6:18 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    Yeah, A&E seems to have forgotten that the Duck Dynasty guys were wealthy before the show. They’ll be wealthy if A&E dumps the show altogether. The people who make the ratings will go with them, though, and they’ll be on another network.


  82. lobo91
    84 | December 20, 2013 6:18 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    They don’t seem to get that they are every bit as much an “infidel” as I am. In the eyes of Islam, you are an infidel if you have a practiced, culturally sensitive Atheism.

    They’re actually higher up the list than you are.


  83. 85 | December 20, 2013 6:20 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    It is the NSA reading our email. They’re going to be pretty disappointed when they read this. I was taught a long time ago never to put something in an email that I wouldn’t want broadcast to the world. You should have privacy in your email, but as a practical matter you simply don’t.


  84. rain of lead
    86 | December 20, 2013 6:22 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    rain of lead wrote:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/12/breaking-duck-dynasty-sponsor-if-robertsons-leave-ae-were-going-with-them-video/
    Lonny McCurry, CEO of Skyjacker Suspension Systems, told Eric Bolling today that if “Duck Dynasty” leaves A&E his company is going with them.

    this stupid rumble is more entertaining than the show itself!

    I know right


  85. rain of lead
    87 | December 20, 2013 6:30 pm

    bwahahahahahah
    *gasp**gasp*
    bwahahahahahaha

    NJ: Thousands Who Used HealthCare.gov Have ‘No Idea’ Their Info Is ‘Unusable’

    *cough*cough*
    ahem
    sorry, I know this is bad

    The Obamacare individual mandate is forcing thousands of lower-income individuals without insurance to apply for coverage through Medicaid in New Jersey. Directed by the federal government to use HealthCare.gov, many residents did just that and have no idea their application did not go through. According to the Record, about 25,000 applications are simply “unusable”; applicants have “no idea” their applications are not being processed because the website is so laden with glitches the information cannot be read.

    Furthermore, the information that New Jersey officials were assured would reach them from the federal government is stuck with the federal government, so even if the applications were usable, New Jersey wouldn’t have them. Officials have not offered any scheduled date in which to expect the problem solved.

    the burning…
    this is what she looks like


  86. lobo91
    88 | December 20, 2013 6:33 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    I’m really looking forward to coverage of the riots when people are turned away in the first week of January


  87. Buckeye Abroad
    89 | December 20, 2013 6:36 pm

    German bishop’s $20,000 bath tub

    Bwahaha. The Bishop was actually in the city of Limburg…just 30 minutes north of me. It wasn’t just the bath tub, but something to the tune of €1.3 Million for the purchased lot to build his residence. The Germans went ape over that-- you would too if you were taxed for being catholic in Germany.

    He no longer the bishop there.


  88. heysoos
    90 | December 20, 2013 6:37 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ rain of lead:
    I’m really looking forward to coverage of the riots when people are turned away in the first week of January

    yeah, the people doing what their elected officials are afraid to do


  89. Buckeye Abroad
    91 | December 20, 2013 6:40 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Where are you?


  90. heysoos
    92 | December 20, 2013 6:42 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Where are you?

    Albuquerque, New Mexico


  91. rain of lead
    93 | December 20, 2013 6:43 pm

    @ lobo91:

    gonna be some “interesting times”


  92. lobo91
    94 | December 20, 2013 6:44 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    gonna be some “interesting times”

    I remember video of people showing up at doctor’s offices the day after Obama signed the bill back in 2009, expecting to get free care.


  93. Buckeye Abroad
    95 | December 20, 2013 6:45 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Probably. I’ve debated Christians who think that it is immoral to own weapons. That’s not a theological position that anyone is going to convince me of. Nor is it one that is supported by Scripture. It is all well and good to say “Turn the other cheek”, but it is not my responsibility to spare people from the just consequences of their actions.

    Luke 22:36


  94. rain of lead
    96 | December 20, 2013 6:46 pm

    A&E may have already lined up what it thinks will be Duck Dynasty’s replacement. The Robertsons have publicly said that DD’s producers tried to get them to behave like a typical “reality show” family — swear, bicker, act off against one another, have conflict, etc. The Robertsons refused, because that’s not who they are. The producers also tried cutting the family prayer at the end of each show. The Robertsons refused, because for them, the prayer is a major purpose and source of their fame.

    Now, look at the show that started following DD this season. It’s called Rodeo Girls. A&E has been heavily promoting it during DD for weeks now. I caught about half of the pilot episode, and it’s terrible. The women on the show are rodeo competitors. They’re “rednecks” like the Robertsons. But they’re not like the Robertsons in the important ways. Where the Robertsons are self-deprecating and funny, the Rodeo Girls are mean and vile. They swear, a lot. They bicker. They’re self-absorbed and obnoxious. There are no prayers but they do throw the name of God around a lot — not in a good way. It’s Jersey Shore on horseback, without any charm whatsoever.

    On Friday, sources close to the Duck Dynasty Robertson family told E! Online that the family was “very serious” about ending the show if Phil Robertson’s suspension stood. The source said, “They’re an extremely tight-knit family and they’re not going to let this get in the way. [Phil] is the reason for their success – they’re not going to abandon him. They’re also not about to let anyone threaten their religious beliefs.”


  95. lobo91
    97 | December 20, 2013 6:49 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    There are no prayers but they do throw the name of God around a lot — not in a good way. It’s Jersey Shore on horseback, without any charm whatsoever.

    I’ve heard it described as “Porn on ponies”


  96. rain of lead
    98 | December 20, 2013 6:50 pm

    Last night’s Duck Dynasty marathon’s ratings were down 71%
    A&E lost 6.4 million viewers for last night’s Duck Dynasty marathon.

    can you say ouch


  97. Buckeye Abroad
    99 | December 20, 2013 6:52 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    Call me a cynic, but me thinks this whole DD (disclaimer: never seen it) vs AE drama is a gimmick. From what I understand, they are already the Number 1 slot…so right before Christmas the drama unfolds, stand-off ensues, MSM picks it up, etc… pure bullox. It’s business.


  98. 100 | December 20, 2013 6:53 pm

    @ Buckeye Abroad:

    Yep, having adequate weaponry seems to be almost a Commandment from Christ.


  99. heysoos
    101 | December 20, 2013 6:53 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    @ rain of lead:
    Call me a cynic, but me thinks this whole DD (disclaimer: never seen it) vs AE drama is a gimmick. From what I understand, they are already the Number 1 slot…so right before Christmas the drama unfolds, stand-off ensues, MSM picks it up, etc… pure bullox. It’s business.

    yeah, but people here go overboard for media shit…
    AmIdol


  100. 102 | December 20, 2013 6:56 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Remember I was telling you Lebanese Maronites were supporting the Syrian Rebels. Here is Samir Gagea who is one of their leaders.


  101. rain of lead
    103 | December 20, 2013 6:56 pm

    @ Buckeye Abroad:

    so they all got together to TRASH the ratings of the #1 cable show on tv

    business model
    WINNING!


  102. rain of lead
    104 | December 20, 2013 6:57 pm

    @ heysoos:

    it’s all part of the culture war


  103. RIX
    105 | December 20, 2013 6:59 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    Last night’s Duck Dynasty marathon’s ratings were down 71%
    A&E lost 6.4 million viewers for last night’s Duck Dynasty marathon.

    can you say ouch

    A&E handled this too knee jerk & heavy handed.
    They could have just put out a statement that Robinson’s comments do not reflect the opinions of A&E.
    Then they could have waxed philosophical about their devotion to free speech.
    Instead they folded like lawn chairs.


  104. eaglesoars
    106 | December 20, 2013 7:00 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    gimmick.

    A&E is a gimmick. The Robertsons are not. That’s the point. A&E thought everyone can be bought and most certainly set this up as a loss-leader to the DD marathon.

    A&E fucked up their own brand. Big time.

    rain of lead wrote:

    Last night’s Duck Dynasty marathon’s ratings were down 71%
    A&E lost 6.4 million viewers for last night’s Duck Dynasty marathon.

    nuff said.

    I’m having serious pain with my shoulder. Gotta do something. Can’t stay here.


  105. 107 | December 20, 2013 7:01 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    Some Gays are speaking out in defending Phil’s free speech rights. Camilia Paglia wrote and article calling the Gays who want to silence their critics Stalinists. It seems the Left may have overreached this time becasue even some Lefties are saying this is BS.


  106. rain of lead
    108 | December 20, 2013 7:02 pm

    @ RIX:

    and ignighted a media firestorm
    and pissed off a bunch of viewers


  107. heysoos
    109 | December 20, 2013 7:02 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    I’m not participating in your culture war…I assume tv was invented to broadcast football games…I don’t give a fuck about A&E and wonder why anybody else would…it’s interesting for about 2 minutes, but you can repeat yourself and others til the end of time…not my afair


  108. 110 | December 20, 2013 7:02 pm

    @ RIX:

    They could have just put out a statement that Robinson’s comments do not reflect the opinions of A&E.

    That is all they needed to do.


  109. Buckeye Abroad
    111 | December 20, 2013 7:03 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ Buckeye Abroad:

    so they all got together to TRASH the ratings of the #1 cable show on tv

    business model
    WINNING!

    A&E is a business, who like other companies, know who their viewers/customers are of that particular brand. Just my humble opinion.


  110. rain of lead
    112 | December 20, 2013 7:03 pm

    @ Rodan:

    saw that too


  111. heysoos
    113 | December 20, 2013 7:05 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    A&E wanted a reality show, but they don’t dig the reality….why should I care?…I have homeless to feed, engine blocks to sell, road trips to plan….this stuff is just a vague afterthought, not my vibe


  112. 114 | December 20, 2013 7:06 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Interesting. I don’t know how I’d jump if I were in Syria. There really are no good guys there.


  113. RIX
    115 | December 20, 2013 7:06 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ RIX:

    and ignighted a media firestorm
    and pissed off a bunch of viewers

    They sure did. They really screwed the pooch.


  114. coldwarrior
    116 | December 20, 2013 7:07 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    German bishop’s $20,000 bath tub
    Bwahaha. The Bishop was actually in the city of Limburg…just 30 minutes north of me. It wasn’t just the bath tub, but something to the tune of €1.3 Million for the purchased lot to build his residence. The Germans went ape over that-- you would too if you were taxed for being catholic in Germany.
    He no longer the bishop there.

    methinks he took the title ‘prince of the church’ a wee bit too literally.


  115. heysoos
    117 | December 20, 2013 7:08 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    look up the wealth of the Catholic Church…it is so vast, it cannot be determined


  116. RIX
    118 | December 20, 2013 7:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    They could have just put out a statement that Robinson’s comments do not reflect the opinions of A&E.

    That is all they needed to do.

    They could have defused the whole thing & maintained the franchise.


  117. Bumr50
    119 | December 20, 2013 7:11 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Francis just hired Ernst and Young to give him a number.


  118. coldwarrior
    120 | December 20, 2013 7:11 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    @ rain of lead:
    Call me a cynic, but me thinks this whole DD (disclaimer: never seen it) vs AE drama is a gimmick. From what I understand, they are already the Number 1 slot…so right before Christmas the drama unfolds, stand-off ensues, MSM picks it up, etc… pure bullox. It’s business.

    never watched the show. however, i do understand that the family is already very very wealthy. so why throw the reputation and the family business under the buss for a very short term and very small gain?

    that makes no business sense.


  119. rain of lead
    121 | December 20, 2013 7:11 pm

    Barack Obama denies 2013 was the worst year of his presidency

    He’s right, next year will be worse


  120. coldwarrior
    122 | December 20, 2013 7:12 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    look up the wealth of the Catholic Church…it is so vast, it cannot be determined

    i have no problems with that. it is one of the defining pillars of western civilization.


  121. rain of lead
    123 | December 20, 2013 7:15 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    and even if this was ginned up for short term gain that was huge fail
    ratings drop of 71%

    that is lost $$$$

    they will be cutting checks back to advertisers


  122. coldwarrior
    124 | December 20, 2013 7:15 pm

    \Bumr50 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Francis just hired Ernst and Young to give him a number.

    :lol:

    bean counters to the rescue!


  123. 125 | December 20, 2013 7:16 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    He’s right, next year will be worse

    I suspect that you are right about that. I hope you are right. I think next year is going to be interesting.


  124. coldwarrior
    126 | December 20, 2013 7:17 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    and even if this was ginned up for short term gain that was huge fail
    ratings drop of 71%
    that is lost $$$$
    they will be cutting checks back to advertisers

    must be a new fangled business model. kinda like obamacare.


  125. heysoos
    127 | December 20, 2013 7:17 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    look up the wealth of the Catholic Church…it is so vast, it cannot be determined

    i have no problems with that. it is one of the defining pillars of western civilization.

    I don’t either, my post was one of wonderment…I don’t pay any attention to the CC and have no beef with them, aside from the boy/rape fraternity


  126. Buckeye Abroad
    128 | December 20, 2013 7:19 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    look up the wealth of the Catholic Church…it is so vast, it cannot be determined

    I’ve heard that my whole life, but there has to be an estimate somewhere. Property values and precious metals fluxate, their holdings in art/artifacts as well, not to mention intangible assets…


  127. heysoos
    129 | December 20, 2013 7:22 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    look up the wealth of the Catholic Church…it is so vast, it cannot be determined
    I’ve heard that my whole life, but there has to be an estimate somewhere. Property values and precious metals fluxate, their holdings in art/artifacts as well, not to mention intangible assets…

    their history of treasure and wealth is mythical, but I don’t have any political opinion about it


  128. rain of lead
    130 | December 20, 2013 7:22 pm

    @ Buckeye Abroad:
    like they will let someone into the vaults at the Vatican for an audit


  129. coldwarrior
    131 | December 20, 2013 7:23 pm

    @ heysoos:
    @ Buckeye Abroad:

    mrs coldwarrior and her family lived in the vatican for a year after they got thrown out of the soviet union. pretty nice change in the middle of feburary, trading soviet moscow for the vatican.

    she said the transition was shocking.


  130. heysoos
    132 | December 20, 2013 7:24 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ Buckeye Abroad:
    like they will let someone into the vaults at the Vatican for an audit

    yup, not gonna happen…ever
    that’s cool I guess


  131. 133 | December 20, 2013 7:25 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    For the Maronites its a personal blood feud with Hezbollah and The Assad clan. Al-Jazeera interviewed Nusra leader Julani and he said his organization’s goal is the destruction of Hezbollah. That is why many Maronites view Nusra as heroes. It’s the Mideast man, logic does not apply!

    :lol:


  132. Buckeye Abroad
    134 | December 20, 2013 7:26 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    @ rain of lead:
    Call me a cynic, but me thinks this whole DD (disclaimer: never seen it) vs AE drama is a gimmick. From what I understand, they are already the Number 1 slot…so right before Christmas the drama unfolds, stand-off ensues, MSM picks it up, etc… pure bullox. It’s business.

    never watched the show. however, i do understand that the family is already very very wealthy. so why throw the reputation and the family business under the buss for a very short term and very small gain?

    that makes no business sense.

    Sorry, I am looking from the the other end. For A&E, it would be a good move for the free advertising and drama…. because the plan to cave. The J. family will be good no matter what the fall out.

    BTW. Apparently Phil Robertson was the starting quarterback at Louisiana Tech for two seasons in the mid-60′s. His back-up QB was so no-name scrunt— a guy named Terry Bradshaw. Life is stranger than anything on TV.


  133. heysoos
    135 | December 20, 2013 7:26 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    @ Buckeye Abroad:
    mrs coldwarrior and her family lived in the vatican for a year after they got thrown out of the soviet union. pretty nice change in the middle of feburary, trading soviet moscow for the vatican.
    she said the transition was shocking.

    get it down in writing, or tape….seriously dude
    that’s a hell of a story


  134. Buckeye Abroad
    136 | December 20, 2013 7:28 pm

    @ heysoos:

    their history of treasure and wealth is mythical, but I don’t have any political opinion about it

    Ha. I am an accountant by trade-- it was my own musing there. Sorry for the confusion.


  135. heysoos
    137 | December 20, 2013 7:31 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    their history of treasure and wealth is mythical, but I don’t have any political opinion about it
    Ha. I am an accountant by trade-- it was my own musing there. Sorry for the confusion.

    no confusion, just reading minds…my post bounced off yours…
    however it becomes topic, it’s pretty interesting…the hidden history and all that inspires


  136. 138 | December 20, 2013 7:31 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    All Phil did was express his religious view, which is his right to do so. He never called for laws that discriminate Gays nor to throw them in camps. He just stated he views it as a sin as there are many sins and he prefers Vaginas to Anuses.

    He did not say anything attacking Gay people.


  137. Bumr50
    139 | December 20, 2013 7:32 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    He’s both doing an outside audit, as I’ve mentioned above AND reforming the Vatican Bank.

    In an apparent sign that Pope Francis means business, the leading Catholic Church figure appointed his personal, top-ranking assistant to step into an inquiry of Vatican banking and Holy See financial transactions that he set up earlier this year.
    The pope on Thursday named Monsignor Alfred Xuereb, his personal secretary, to serve as delegate to the two separate commissions he established months ago, to look into suspect financial dealings in the Vatican, The Associated Press reported.
    The Vatican said, in a statement: Monsignor Xuereb was appointed for the purpose of “keeping his eye on the committees and keeping [the pope] informed … on their working procedures and possible initiatives.”
    A spokesman for the Vatican, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, played down the purpose of the appointment, saying it was simply to expedite communications between the pope and the committee members. The commissions are supposed to present their findings to Pope Francis and to eight cardinals serving as advisers in the coming weeks, AP said.

    Here’s the link to the Ernst & Young story:

    VATICAN CITY – The Vatican has hired another international consulting firm to review its finances as Pope Francis’ economic reforms push up a gear.

    The Vatican said Monday that EY, formerly known as Ernst & Young, will “verify and consult” on the economic activity of the Vatican City State administration, which controls the money-making Vatican Museums, post office and tax-free department store.

    Meanwhile, U.S.-based consulting firm, Promontory Financial Group, has been tasked with overhauling the Vatican’s scandal-marred bank and its other main financial department, APSA, which controls the Vatican’s real estate holdings.

    Ruffling some feathers…


  138. 140 | December 20, 2013 7:33 pm

    @ Buckeye Abroad:

    His back-up QB was so no-name scrunt— a guy named Terry Bradshaw.

    I read that, talk about 5 degrees of separation.


  139. lobo91
    141 | December 20, 2013 7:34 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ rain of lead:

    All Phil did was express his religious view, which is his right to do so. He never called for laws that discriminate Gays nor to throw them in camps. He just stated he views it as a sin as there are many sins and he prefers Vaginas to Anuses.

    He did not say anything attacking Gay people.

    Doesn’t matter. Anyone in the public eye who doesn’t express 110% support for the gay lifestyle will be mercilessly attacked.


  140. Buckeye Abroad
    142 | December 20, 2013 7:34 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ Buckeye Abroad:
    like they will let someone into the vaults at the Vatican for an audit

    Actually, they do let academics into their vaults for research purposes. I only know this because an OSU professor was convicted of stealing ancient manuscripts from their vaults and attempting to sell them at an auction while I was a student there.

    No, I don’t contribute to the alumni association and never will.


  141. rain of lead
    143 | December 20, 2013 7:35 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    well, I stand most corrected


  142. Bumr50
    144 | December 20, 2013 7:37 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    No need -- who knows?

    But he sure seems serious about straightening up, and I’m sure it’s making more than a few people nervous…


  143. Buckeye Abroad
    145 | December 20, 2013 7:39 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    @ Buckeye Abroad:

    mrs coldwarrior and her family lived in the vatican for a year after they got thrown out of the soviet union. pretty nice change in the middle of feburary, trading soviet moscow for the vatican.

    she said the transition was shocking.

    Wow. I want to hear that story. Some day when I am back in the motherland (Ohio), I am going to pack the family and make the 8 hour drive to your place. Make sure your in-laws come over.


  144. rain of lead
    146 | December 20, 2013 7:40 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Doesn’t matter. Anyone in the public eye who doesn’t express 110% support for the gay lifestyle will be mercilessly attacked.
    or destroyed


  145. rain of lead
    147 | December 20, 2013 7:40 pm

    that’s it
    libs are daleks


  146. coldwarrior
    148 | December 20, 2013 7:41 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    Wow. I want to hear that story. Some day when I am back in the motherland (Ohio), I am going to pack the family and make the 8 hour drive to your place. Make sure your in-laws come over.

    :lol:

    we arent allowed to occupy the same space.


  147. lobo91
    149 | December 20, 2013 7:41 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Recently-retired Rockies first baseman Todd Helton attended the University of Tennessee on a football scholarship. He took over as starting quarterback in the middle of his junior season. Three weeks later, he suffered a knee injury himself and was replaced by some no-name freshman named Peyton Manning.


  148. heysoos
    150 | December 20, 2013 7:41 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ rain of lead:
    No need — who knows?
    But he sure seems serious about straightening up, and I’m sure it’s making more than a few people nervous…

    it forces me to speculate…
    is it true that the CC owns Cuba? or just the cigar concession?


  149. heysoos
    151 | December 20, 2013 7:43 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:
    Wow. I want to hear that story. Some day when I am back in the motherland (Ohio), I am going to pack the family and make the 8 hour drive to your place. Make sure your in-laws come over.

    we arent allowed to occupy the same space.

    the secret to a successful marriage…
    DRINK!!!


  150. coldwarrior
    152 | December 20, 2013 7:44 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Earnst & Young
    ‘Auditors of the Vatican’ ™

    i cant wait for that commercial on golf network


  151. Buckeye Abroad
    153 | December 20, 2013 7:47 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I read that, talk about 5 degrees of separation.

    ESPN has a write up. Catch it if you have a few mintues. He apparently was a great athlete, but simply had no interest of persuing it.


  152. heysoos
    154 | December 20, 2013 7:48 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    Earnst & Young
    ‘Auditors of the Vatican’ ™
    i cant wait for that commercial on golf network

    E&Y Titlists,
    tees
    covers
    bags
    etc


  153. Buckeye Abroad
    155 | December 20, 2013 7:48 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    Wow. I want to hear that story. Some day when I am back in the motherland (Ohio), I am going to pack the family and make the 8 hour drive to your place. Make sure your in-laws come over.

    we arent allowed to occupy the same space.

    Ah. I checked the Dungeon Masters Guide and you are correct.

    Döppelganger!


  154. coldwarrior
    157 | December 20, 2013 7:55 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ Bumr50:
    Earnst & Young
    ‘Auditors of the Vatican’ ™
    i cant wait for that commercial on golf network

    E&Y Titlists,
    tees
    covers
    bags
    etc

    cadillacs, mercedes, hedge funds, rolex…endless possibilities


  155. coldwarrior
    158 | December 20, 2013 7:55 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    Ah. I checked the Dungeon Masters Guide and you are correct.

    Döppelganger!

    :lol:

    i had forgotten all about D&D


  156. Bumr50
    159 | December 20, 2013 7:57 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Someone probably rolled a 12 after they cast a memory spell on you…


  157. Buckeye Abroad
    160 | December 20, 2013 8:03 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    Ah. I checked the Dungeon Masters Guide and you are correct.

    Döppelganger!

    i had forgotten all about D&D

    The fact that you played D&D in your youth does not surprise me one bit. No. It’s better if we never meet.


  158. coldwarrior
    161 | December 20, 2013 8:07 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Someone probably rolled a 12 after they cast a memory spell on you…

    dammit!


  159. coldwarrior
    162 | December 20, 2013 8:08 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Buckeye Abroad wrote:
    Ah. I checked the Dungeon Masters Guide and you are correct.
    Döppelganger!
    i had forgotten all about D&D
    The fact that you played D&D in your youth does not surprise me one bit. No. It’s better if we never meet.

    :lol:

    the door, the bbq, and the bar are always open!


  160. 163 | December 20, 2013 8:10 pm

    @ lobo91:

    This one is blowing up in their faces. Even some Gays are saying the attacks on Phil are wrong.


  161. Bumr50
    164 | December 20, 2013 8:11 pm

    Government concedes it can’t enforce health care mandate on dioceses — for now

    Conceding that a federal judge has already made up his mind, the government on Friday decided not to oppose a motion by the Catholic dioceses of Pittsburgh and Erie to convert a preliminary injunction into a permanent ban in the health care mandate lawsuit.
    U.S. District Judge Arthur Schwab promptly approved the motion, which keeps the government from imposing the mandate on Catholic Charities and other diocese nonprofits unless the judge’s ruling gets overturned on appeal.
    A Pittsburgh diocese spokesman had no immediate comment.
    The mandate requires employers to either provide coverage for contraceptives, sterilization, abortion-inducing drugs and related counseling services or certify that they morally object to providing coverage so a third-party insurer can provide it to their employees.
    The dioceses contend that the mandate violates their religious freedom. The government contends the mandate presents, at most, a minimal burden that is outweighed by the public good of providing women with preventive health care services.
    Schwab ruled in November, when he granted the temporary injunction, that the dioceses were likely to win their challenge.
    Mickey Pohl, an attorney representing the dioceses for free, said in his motion for the permanent injunction that because the government doesn’t plan to present any more evidence in the case, there’s no reason for the judge not to make a final ruling.
    Bradley Humphreys, a trial lawyer for the Justice Department, filed a response agreeing that the government doesn’t object to a final ruling but still disagrees with Schwab’s decision and reserves the right to appeal it.

    ht -- Pittsburgh Tribune-Review


  162. coldwarrior
    165 | December 20, 2013 8:15 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Conceding that a federal judge has already made up his mind, the government on Friday decided not to oppose a motion by the Catholic dioceses of Pittsburgh and Erie to convert a preliminary injunction into a permanent ban in the health care mandate lawsuit.
    U.S. District Judge Arthur Schwab promptly approved the motion, which keeps the government from imposing the mandate on Catholic Charities and other diocese nonprofits unless the judge’s ruling gets overturned on appeal.

    no one messes with father dave!

    (he taught at quigley back in the day)


  163. 166 | December 20, 2013 8:17 pm

    New Thread.


  164. Buckeye Abroad
    167 | December 20, 2013 8:32 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Buckeye Abroad wrote:
    Ah. I checked the Dungeon Masters Guide and you are correct.
    Döppelganger!
    i had forgotten all about D&D
    The fact that you played D&D in your youth does not surprise me one bit. No. It’s better if we never meet.

    the door, the bbq, and the bar are always open!

    The same goes for our place. Frankfurt or Moscow.


  165. Guggi
    168 | December 21, 2013 5:33 am

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    German bishop’s $20,000 bath tub

    Bwahaha. The Bishop was actually in the city of Limburg…just 30 minutes north of me. It wasn’t just the bath tub, but something to the tune of €1.3 Million for the purchased lot to build his residence. The Germans went ape over that-- you would too if you were taxed for being catholic in Germany.

    He no longer the bishop there.

    I wouldn’t buy into this disgusting hype.

    1. The bath tube costs were only Euro 3,000 and NOT Euro 20,000 but they still publish the wrong number because they don’t like him.

    2. The postmodern catholic reform movement of Limburgh (they hate him because he is labeled as “conservative”) which sprewed all the allefed extravagance pressed about 7 or 9 charges against him and most of them have already been canceled by the district public prosecution authority because they coudn’t find a shred of evidence for wrongdoing.
    Let me give you a typical example: he was accused of lying to the public and of extravagance of public money about a flight to a bishops conference in India. Asked by the “Spiegel” which ticket was bought he answered “the ticket was bought according to the rules for Bishops when they have to fly” and this would meen: business class. Scandal ! because as everybody knew he flew first class. What they didn’t tell was that he upgraded the ticket to first class with his own private money and he payed the upgrade with his own private money the same day NOT -- like most politicians -- after the “scandal” came out.

    The postmodern stategy is always the same: don’t attack the organization as such (in this case the catholic church) but single out a prominent member, libel her/him and when the truth comes out the damage has already be done (for both) and no one will care anymore about the truth and the media will report it -- if at all -- only on a page between advertisments for pornography and second hand fridges.

    The postmodern catholic reform movement wanted to get rid of him and they got rid of him and I bet he won’t return to his appointment as bishop in Limburgh although technically spoke he still is bishop there but on “vaccation”. Another point is that the postmodern catholic reform movement wants to become independent from Rome. The Pope shouldn’t have any say who becomes bishop there.


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