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Sunday Morning Donuts

by coldwarrior ( 69 Comments › )
Filed under Food and Drink at December 22nd, 2013 - 8:00 am

Ahhh, a Sunday Morning Donut.

 

I was going to do a post about these guys, but the local paper beat me to it! These are THE BEST cinnamon rolls in the world, period.

 

Please follow this link for the yummy slide show!

One bite is all it takes to get hooked.

Maybe it’s the melt-in-your-mouth filling, the sweet, sugary glaze or the fluffy, soft dough. A taste of a pastry from Oram’s Donut Shop makes you long for more of these delectable doughnuts and cinnamon rolls.

Made fresh daily, they don’t stay in the Beaver Falls store’s cases long. Customers are urged to get there early to get any.

“I believe we’ve been successful because of the recipe,” says Jon George, who, with wife Vickie, co-owns the long-time shop. “We still use the old-fashioned original recipe. And that’s the difference in flavor and quality. We do it differently than the big chain stores.”

Made from scratch into the wee hours of the morning, trays upon trays of doughnuts and cinnamon rolls give off an amazing aroma as they await the morning rush.

Jon George handles most of the production while his wife oversees sales. The store opened in 1938 and is celebrating its 75th anniversary.

The Georges, who live in Chippewa, purchased the store from the original owners’ foster son, Tom Bradshaw, who ran the business until May 1995, when illness forced him to close. Jon and Vickie George, long-time fans of the shop, re-opened it on Aug. 28, 1995.

“We have the greatest staff, and you have to have good people working for you to be successful in business,” Jon George says. “I totally trust my staff. They are wonderful. And we would never ask them to do anything that we haven’t done, from making doughnuts to cleaning the store to waiting on customers.”

The philosophy is old-school, from using some of the original machinery and shelving to never cutting corners, Jon George says. He refuses to release the secret ingredients, but he will share the process of how the sweets are created. It all starts from scratch – from mixing dough to filling doughnuts to icing them. On a busy night, they will go through 1,000 pounds of dough. That number rises during the holidays.

Numerous containers of cream, peanut butter and fruit fillings — as well as buckets of icing, sugar and sprinkles — sit waiting to be used.

“In this business, freshness is key,” Jon George says. “ Because most doughnuts have a shelf life of 12 to 16 hours.”

That’s why production starts late at night to make sure everything is fresh come 5 a.m. when the store opens. Leading the daily process is production manager Ryan Gerazounis.

“I believe it’s our attention to detail,” he says. “We take doughnut-making seriously. And we make them fresh every day. We produce a great product.”

“It’s not an easy business,” Jon George says. “We have to sacrifice a lot. It is kind of a 24-hour-a-day business. It really keeps us busy. But we love what we do, and we take pride in the product. We won’t cut corners.”

The cinnamon rolls are enormous, covered in glaze and laced with layers of cinnamon. This top-selling item costs $1.20 each and $12.60 a dozen. Filled doughnuts are $1.15 each, $12 a dozen and raised doughnuts, $1.05 each and $10.80 a dozen.

“It’s fun,” Gerazounis says. “At first, I didn’t think I would like working nights, but here I am (nearly 14 years later). It’s a great place to work. We all take pride in what we do.”

Oram’s Donut Shop is located at 1406 7th Avenue, Beaver Falls. Hours are 5 a.m. to 2 p.m. Monday through Saturday (closed between Christmas and New Year’s Day). Details: 724-846-1504 or www.orams.com

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  1. Bumr50
    1 | December 22, 2013 9:07 am

    Hey mister.

    THAT’S a donut.


  2. coldwarrior
    2 | December 22, 2013 9:20 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    AL SHARPTON’S CHICAGO TOWN HALL ERUPTS INTO REVOLT AGAINST MACHINE POLITICS
    On Thursday, a town hall meeting hosted by Al Sharpton and the National Action Network to address gun violence exploded into a revolt against “Chicago Machine” politics, Mayor Rahm Emanuel, and the aldermen in City Hall, with panel and audience members calling to vote out their elected officials.
    One 82-year-old preacher even called for “Tea Party” style meetings in some of Chicago’s south side communities such as Altgeld Gardens and Trumbull Park.
    “This was a historic event,” Paul McKinley of V.O.T.E. (Voices of the Ex-Offender) and former 2nd Congressional District GOP nominee to replace Jesse Jackson, Jr. told Breitbart News. “Not because of Al Sharpton coming to town,” he continued. “This was first time since electing Mayor Harold Washington in the eighties that all of these grassroots groups and community organizers have come together under one roof to talk about the problems plaguing our community.”
    While the stated goal for Sharpton was to bring the many different groups together to discuss solutions to the city’s violence epidemic, he may not have gotten the types of responses he was looking for. Calls for more gun control laws and getting guns off the streets were nonexistent and not mentioned by residents throughout the session.
    Instead, attendees offered solutions addressing the problems facing their community as a whole rather than just taking on “gun violence” itself. Audience members addressed the need for jobs and solving the foreclosure crisis plaguing Chicago’s south and west sides. Perhaps the loudest message—and one that Reverend Al or the Chicago media have yet to report on—echoed by several different people in attendance as well as panel members was that it is time for the black community to start voting differently.
    “The manner in which we have been voting needs to change,” Wendy Pearson, an activist against Chicago school closings, told the room. “I’m here to say to you that we have been trained to vote in a specific manner… we need to start looking at the manner in which our elected officials have been voting… if they have not voted in a manner that is beneficial to you, yours, and your community, then you need to start voting them out.”
    McKinley told the room, “Stop blaming just anybody for the violence in the city of Chicago. Blame the right people, not just white people, but the right people. Because it’s not just white folks a part of this, but it is on the fifth floor. The fifth floor took your schools, the fifth floor just took your jobs that he said that he gave to the ex-offender… and every single alderman was a part of this criminal process.”
    It’s a start, I suppose…
    Rev. Al meltdown coming as soon as he figures out what ha-happened…

    wanted to put that up here


  3. coldwarrior
    3 | December 22, 2013 9:21 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Hey mister.
    THAT’S a donut.

    orams is the best, period


  4. coldwarrior
    4 | December 22, 2013 9:23 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    this is pretty big. the worm is turning.


  5. Bumr50
    5 | December 22, 2013 9:29 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Because it’s not just white folks a part of this, but it is on the fifth floor. The fifth floor took your schools, the fifth floor just took your jobs that he said that he gave to the ex-offender… and every single alderman was a part of this criminal process.

    Now THAT’s something EVERYONE can agree on.

    I really like that “fifth floor” reference.

    Talking to folks locally, everyone always b*tches about the “fourth floor” that goes through a divorce or custody fight.

    It’s a VERY relatable(?) term that transcends many societal divisions.


  6. coldwarrior
    6 | December 22, 2013 9:33 am

    @ Bumr50:

    this could be fun. i wonder what rahm thinks of this. the ballerina with a bad temper might throw a hissy fit


  7. 7 | December 22, 2013 9:43 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    If that feeling were to go nation wide, the Democrats could be in a lot of trouble. They require taking 90% of the black vote nationally to get elected. If they just lost 25% of the black vote, they’d have trouble electing a President. I’m not sure that that is going to happen. It really should. I’ve never understood how the Party of the Ku Klux Klan got such a solid backing form the black community, but I figure if they can do that,m then really it is time to stop worrying about injustices that happened 150 years ago. If blacks could support the Party of Robert Byrd, they don’t have much room to complain about the Confederate Flag on Civil War memorials, in my mind.


  8. 8 | December 22, 2013 9:45 am

    As an aside, a Christmas classic…


  9. Bumr50
    9 | December 22, 2013 9:47 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    There are already naysayers over at the Breitbart piece talking about how the constituency will never “go conservative.”

    What they’re failing to grasp is that even if they don’t “vote GOP,” all that has to happen is for them to NOT VOTE AT ALL to make a significant impact on Progressives.


  10. 10 | December 22, 2013 9:51 am

    @ Bumr50:

    Yep, though why the Party of Lincoln should be so anathema to the blacks, I can’t for the life of me fathom. I guess it is just welfare when it comes down to brass tacks. Certain segments of that community don’t want to work, so high black unemployment isn’t hurting them the way it would another community. That doesn’t feel right, but I don’t know anything else to connect it to. More Republicans than Democrats voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the same Civil Rights act that Robert Byrd filibustered. So it clearly is not a Civil Rights issue.


  11. coldwarrior
    11 | December 22, 2013 9:53 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    blacks vote for the dems because the dems fill the void of failure in the black community. black culture is a culture of failure, failure is rewarded by welfare and celebrates thug life. the crime rate, the abortion rate, and the level of poverty in the black community are the facts of failure. the dems feed that and readily back up and re-enforce the standard excuses for failure in the community. its a master slave relationship. many powerful people are stakeholders and love this relationship. this is why the fraud jackson and the criminal sharpton are able to be wealthy. they are malcolm x’s ‘house negros’ in the democrat plantation.


  12. Bumr50
    12 | December 22, 2013 9:55 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith making sense:

    Last week, Hall of Fame Cleveland Browns running back Jim Brown ripped into Los Angeles Lakers future Hall of Famer Kobe Bryant, stating that Bryant didn’t understand black American culture because he grew up abroad. On Friday, ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith singled out Brown for criticism, stating:

    “When it comes to the African-American community, you have a plethora of individuals. For example, the black population hasn’t given the Republican Party more than 15% of its vote since 1964. And anybody who is deemed a black conservative, I am not one of them — I’m a registered Independent, just to get that out of the way — but those that I know who are black conservatives are considered pariahs and are ostracized in our communities and it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.”


  13. rain of lead
    13 | December 22, 2013 9:57 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    morning pixel people

    Al Gore Sr voted against the 64 civil rights act


  14. coldwarrior
    14 | December 22, 2013 9:59 am

    @ Mike C.:

    ever wonder why there isnt a restaurant called ‘sal and ellas’?

    :lol:


  15. coldwarrior
    15 | December 22, 2013 10:00 am

    @ Bumr50:

    they keep themselves on the plantation. its a self inflicted wound, i have zero sympathy.


  16. 16 | December 22, 2013 10:01 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    I don’t think I’d have used that term in my description of them, but there is no doubt that Sharpeton and Jackson have their interests rooted in the continuing failure of the black community. That is why you don’t see any protests about the black unemployment rate coming from those sectors. Blacks are about 5% more effected by unemployment (IIRC, the official rate is 13-14%) than whites, and instead of this being treated as a horrific thing, it is given the same old same old treatment by the Usual suspects. And the abortion rate is worse. There is absolutely no doubt that the black abortion rate (hovering around 50% of the pregnancies in the black community) would be considered genocide if it were happening an other way. The question is, though, will changing attitudes in the black community prevail, or will they be tamped down by the usual suspects and that anger re-directed against the Republicans? It seems that the Republicans get the blame for Democrat policies as a whole in the black community. The Democrats encourage failure, and then blame the failure on the Republicans.


  17. rain of lead
    17 | December 22, 2013 10:03 am

    A little girl’s Christmas wish will be answered after a red balloon carrying her letter to Santa floated its way through the sky to a good samaritan with an interesting connection to the girl’s first name

    dang, something got in my eye


  18. coldwarrior
    18 | December 22, 2013 10:03 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    There are already naysayers over at the Breitbart piece talking about how the constituency will never “go conservative.”
    What they’re failing to grasp is that even if they don’t “vote GOP,” all that has to happen is for them to NOT VOTE AT ALL to make a significant impact on Progressives.

    well, lets not make an effort, lets allow the urban areas to vote 100% dem.

    :roll:


  19. 19 | December 22, 2013 10:04 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    And then there were the faux Wilford Brimley Quaker Oats ads, which had me on the floor every time. How to stuff a turkey and what to do next, and all that.

    “It’s the right thing to do!”


  20. rain of lead
    20 | December 22, 2013 10:05 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    boy does this ever fit

    https://twitter.com/jjauthor/status/362735467512348673/photo/1


  21. rain of lead
    21 | December 22, 2013 10:06 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    lets allow the urban areas to vote 100% 110% dem.

    fixed for accuracy


  22. 22 | December 22, 2013 10:07 am

    @ Bumr50:

    It does make no sense. The Democrats were the Party of Slavery in the antebellum South. Even if you blame all of the failure in the black community on slavery, it doesn’t make sense to support the party that supported slavery. And segregation. All of the bad guys from the Civil Rights era were Democrats. Not one of them was a Republican. Yet blacks vote in lockstep for the Democrat. It is not rational. Obviously there are a few blacks who don’t fit that mold. In all of my years as a professional programmer I’ve only known one black software engineer. He was good and competent (we even worked together on projects when we were in school), but I haven’t ran into one other black engineer in my career. He used to tell me about the discrimination he faced from the black community. Being successful isn’t being considered to be “black” unless you are a gangster, pimp, or drug dealer. It is rather ironic that these attitudes have come about only after the blacks won their civil rights. HAd these been the prevailing attitude during the Civil Rights era, they likely would have lost that struggle.


  23. Bumr50
    23 | December 22, 2013 10:08 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    well, lets not make an effort, lets allow the urban areas to vote 100% dem.

    Paul McKinley, the man who peed in Sharpton’s Wheaties.


  24. 24 | December 22, 2013 10:11 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    Al Gore Sr voted against the 64 civil rights act

    Hey, man! Yeah, I knew that, but it is good to keep that in front of the public. That doesn’t necessarily mean he was a racist, but he certainly wasn’t sticking up for the down-trodden. And it probably is the case that he was a racist. I don’t know if Al was, but he certainly had nothing but contempt for the voters that put him into office. I met Gore once, and was not favorably impressed. He wasn’t an asshole or anything, but he struck me as a not-too-bright guy trying to play the part of an intellectual.


  25. coldwarrior
    25 | December 22, 2013 10:14 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    The question is, though, will changing attitudes in the black community prevail, or will they be tamped down by the usual suspects and that anger re-directed against the Republicans? It seems that the Republicans get the blame for Democrat policies as a whole in the black community. The Democrats encourage failure, and then blame the failure on the Republicans.

    the blacks choose to keep themselves down, they are slaves on the dem plantation. its sad to see.

    step off the plantation and you get thumped, remember when cosby teed off on situation? he was smacked for it.

    the gop has to get back into the urban area, we can get 30% and that is enough to win the big game every time


  26. 26 | December 22, 2013 10:15 am

    @ rain of lead:

    Yeah, that one ids good. There is more than a hint of truth to that one. Look at the George Zimmerman debacle. They tried to put an innocent man in jail for the rest of his life in the name of “social justice”. And they may not be done with him yet. Holder is still sitting on a Civil Rights charge, primarily because there is more than enough evidence in the public domain to get Zimmerman acquitted on any such charge that they might bring. Unfortunately for the Dems, you have to have broken the law before they can put you on trial. They may still try to charge Zimmerman, but a competent judge would through the charges out based on Zimmerman’s acquittal on the Second Degree Murder charge.


  27. coldwarrior
    27 | December 22, 2013 10:16 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    And then there were the faux Wilford Brimley Quaker Oats ads, which had me on the floor every time. How to stuff a turkey and what to do next, and all that.
    “It’s the right thing to do!”

    our local dj’s do a great wilfred ..diabetis!


  28. coldwarrior
    28 | December 22, 2013 10:18 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    A little girl’s Christmas wish will be answered after a red balloon carrying her letter to Santa floated its way through the sky to a good samaritan with an interesting connection to the girl’s first name
    dang, something got in my eye

    cool story


  29. 29 | December 22, 2013 10:20 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    the gop has to get back into the urban area, we can get 30% and that is enough to win the big game every time

    The question is how do you do that? Becoming Democrat-lite will lose you more votes than you gain. Education and propaganda seem the logical direction to go. The Republicans are not good at getting their message across. The Democrats have an awesome propaganda machine, and they are backed by the MFM that tries to downplay every scandal or negative thing that the Democrats say while magnifying every faux pas that any Republican makes. Take Aikin’s regrettable lapse on rape and abortion. That was generalized to all GOP candidates by the media. OTOH, you had that woman in Colorado be rude and mocking to that rape victim because she wanted a gun for self-defense. You really can generalize that statement to the bulk of the Democrat Party, but it made nary a ripple on the national stage.


  30. coldwarrior
    30 | December 22, 2013 10:24 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    jack kemp.

    he did it, he took his fiscon message to the streets. it is so doable. but he gop is lazy and loves to have the scapegoat of the urban area. this was they can not work hard in the urban space and then say ‘look! those blacks will never vote for us!’ its a self fulfilling prophecy and its crap. all we need is 30% and the game is over.


  31. coldwarrior
    31 | December 22, 2013 10:29 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    well, lets not make an effort, lets allow the urban areas to vote 100% dem.
    Paul McKinley, the man who peed in Sharpton’s Wheaties.

    i like it! man, i hope he wins


  32. coldwarrior
    32 | December 22, 2013 10:31 am

    @ Bumr50:

    i really hope he wins!

    If there’s one thing on which Democrats and Republicans can agree it is that Chicago is a wasteland of drug and gang violence. What seems to separate the two, however, are the solutions proposed. While Democrats propose a strengthening of the policies that have helped create a defenseless population held at the mercy of criminals, Republicans have vocally supported the Second Amendment and the natural right of citizens to defend their homes and families.

    Into this debate steps a remarkable candidate, a black Illinois Republican named Paul McKinley. A convicted felon who transformed his life by helping many others transform their own, his tale of redemption is empowering, and his fight against the Chicago Machine is worthy of our support. -- See more at: http://mckinleyforcongress.com/articles/can-a-republican-replace-jesse-jackson-jr#sthash.N5u8qNZL.dpuf


  33. 33 | December 22, 2013 10:32 am

    @ coldwarrior:


  34. Bumr50
    34 | December 22, 2013 10:35 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    I was just gonna say -- if you’re in a position to donate, send THIS GUY some money.

    He sure as h*ll ain’t gonna get it from the GOP.

    Off to McKnightmare Road!!

    BBIAB!


  35. 35 | December 22, 2013 10:36 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Kemp was Dole’s running mate, and Dole lost. I don’t know that much about him, otherwise. What it appears to me is that the cities are more conducive to people liking Big Government, though that may be as much that people who like Big Government move to the cities where they can have big government. How do you convince people who like being dependent on government on a platform of smaller, more efficient government? One of the most telling things that came out of the ObamaCare web site debacle was the White House saying that after the disastrous roll out that the programmers were now working almost as well as the private sector would. That is a damning indictment of Big Government, and it went through without much of an eyeblink from most of the people.


  36. coldwarrior
    36 | December 22, 2013 10:37 am

    @ Mike C.:

    it’s the right thing to do!

    :lol:


  37. coldwarrior
    37 | December 22, 2013 10:39 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Off to McKnightmare Road!!

    i’ll pray for you.

    :lol:


  38. 38 | December 22, 2013 10:44 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Sounds good, but can he win? I don’t honestly see why the law abiding citizens of Chicago don’t take matters into their own hands. Rahm can’t arrest the whole city. It’ll be interesting to see what breaks there. If the Democrats were to lose Chicago, there’d be wailing and gnashing of teeth like we’ve never seen before.


  39. coldwarrior
    39 | December 22, 2013 10:47 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    he went into the urban areas and actually talked to the people and listened and had a conversation. they guy got it, he knew that he was not going to win over all ofthe urban voters, but win over enough to win the big game. always looking to educate and never wavering from the fisocn position.


  40. coldwarrior
    40 | December 22, 2013 10:49 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    If the Democrats were to lose Chicago

    is one of the signs of the apocalypse.


  41. 41 | December 22, 2013 11:01 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    he went into the urban areas and actually talked to the people and listened and had a conversation. they guy got it, he knew that he was not going to win over all ofthe urban voters, but win over enough to win the big game. always looking to educate and never wavering from the fisocn position.

    Kemp should’ve been the nominee, I think he’d have made a great president.


  42. 42 | December 22, 2013 11:01 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Though I doubt if he’d have beat Clinton.


  43. darkwords
    43 | December 22, 2013 11:10 am

    @ 11 coldwarrior: That is the argument to make. Who are Rahm Emanuel’s House negros. Show the country the difference between a free person and a slave. A lot of people still don’t know.


  44. 44 | December 22, 2013 11:12 am

    @ MacDuff:

    It is hard to say. Remember, Clinton never took 50% of the vote. He’d have never won in the first place if Perot hadn’t ran. Dole did not do well, but from where I was sitting it didn’t really look like Dole tried. Dole wanted to run for President because it was “his turn“, same as McCain, same as Romney. You have to have the fire in your belly to run, and you have to be willing to get nasty. Romney was nasty during the Primaries, and then backed off of Obama. I said when he was running that I’d be satisfied if he ran as hard against Obama as he ran against Perry and Gingrich. He did not do this. If we want to win, we need to nominate someone who wants to win, and is willing to do what it takes to win.


  45. darkwords
    45 | December 22, 2013 11:13 am

    @ 17 rain of lead: Good story.


  46. darkwords
    47 | December 22, 2013 11:16 am

    @ 22 Iron Fist: It’s the poor character of adults around the kids. They let the epithets oreo or apple or ABC go un challenged. Kids all want some innocence and a change to have fun at life. It’s the rest of us who discourage them. Race Hustlers are the biggest grinches in the country. Except for the victims who enable them.


  47. 48 | December 22, 2013 11:17 am

    darkwords wrote:

    A lot of people still don’t know.

    Freedom is Slavery. That’s the way a lot of people feel. They’d rather subsist on government handouts than work and earn an honest living. They don’t correlate their being kept as pets by the government as taking anything away from them. They also lack ambition. It is possible, still, to get ahead in America. You can’t expect to make a six-figure income, but you can do better than you do. People aren’t taught the value of hard work. Public schools are disasters, and people don’t seem to care.


  48. The Osprey
    49 | December 22, 2013 11:19 am

    Shankapotus!


  49. 50 | December 22, 2013 11:23 am

    From the law enforcement community, we have this:

    A recent college graduate in Washington says he wants an apology after deputies in Spokane County mistakenly raided his home, with guns drawn, giving him the scare of his life.

    Conner Guerrero says he noticed somebody sneaking around his yard at night and assumed it was burglars.

    “Just trying to enjoy my evening. All the sudden, I see a flashlight shining through my doors…” said Guerrero. “I’m thinking this could be a dangerous situation for me.”

    “I come over to my door and I slap it to say hey someone is in this house and they’re not going to let you come in here,” he told KREM-TV. “Right as soon as I opened this door, and it’s dark outside -- it’s very dark and all I can see is a pistol.”

    A man yelled “Sheriff’s office” and told him to come out of the house.

    “I’m wondering why the hell there is a gun being pointed at me right now! They directed me to take a knee, well both knees,” he said. “The gun [was] still drawn.”

    Deputies reportedly said Guerrero was trespassing and didn’t live there. Not until they looked at his I.D. did they realize Guerrero did live there and they had the wrong home.

    Instead of apologizing, one of the deputies told Guerrero, “You’re lucky I didn’t f--king shoot you.”

    “We went to the wrong house, yes … after that they handled the call for what it was advised of,” said Sheriff Ozzie Knezovich. “They showed up, it was a dark house, fresh tire tracks, they were looking for a burglar.”

    The cops that did this should be fired. Period. The Left likes to talk about people who shouldn’t be allowed guns. These cops exemplify that. This is really, really over the top. They guy is lucky he wasn’t shot, and that is indicative of a problem among the police. By the same token, the cops could have been shot. Someone with a gun at my front door telling me to “kneel” would very likely become a casualty themselves, because the range sounds like it was close enough to make a gun disarm a practical response. At least the guy identified himself as a cop, but I don’t know that I’d have heard and comprehended him given the situation. Law abiding citizens don not expect people that are slinking around their house to be cops.


  50. darkwords
    51 | December 22, 2013 11:24 am

    Juan Williams is just so naive about what real issues are. He sees a butterfly flit around a rotten apple and says apple pie today for every one. It’s great.


  51. darkwords
    52 | December 22, 2013 11:27 am

    @ 46 The Other Les: We probably need a citizen initiative in the right state that works to declare Islam a political entity and not a religion.


  52. 53 | December 22, 2013 11:31 am

    darkwords wrote:

    It’s the poor character of adults around the kids.

    That is certainly part of it. It is ironic that Martin Luther King dreamed of his kids being judged by the content of their character. From what I see, the majority of black Americans wouldn’t come out very well on that scale. Not all of them, of course, but what? maybe 2/3s? It is appalling.


  53. Bumr50
    54 | December 22, 2013 11:33 am

    Mrs. Bumr50 is taking FOREVER to get ready…


  54. Bumr50
    55 | December 22, 2013 11:43 am

    Football.


  55. Mars
    56 | December 22, 2013 12:19 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    darkwords wrote:
    A lot of people still don’t know.
    Freedom is Slavery. That’s the way a lot of people feel. They’d rather subsist on government handouts than work and earn an honest living. They don’t correlate their being kept as pets by the government as taking anything away from them. They also lack ambition. It is possible, still, to get ahead in America. You can’t expect to make a six-figure income, but you can do better than you do. People aren’t taught the value of hard work. Public schools are disasters, and people don’t seem to care.

    Online every day I come across hundreds of posts and comments from people equating working with slavery. They cry against the evil corporatists on every single site, no matter the subject.

    I was reading a science article yesterday about how the largest tunneling machine in the world has been stopped by some mystery object. The comments section devolved into people wanting diamonds to become worthless because then “Africa would be the most powerful country in the world. And freedom would spread across africa when the evil diamond corporations were destroyed.” There was no critical thought except by a small number who were soon shouted down as racists. Every where I read people are attacking capitalism and proclaiming how much better everyone will be when we are all Socialist.


  56. 57 | December 22, 2013 12:28 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Every where I read people are attacking capitalism and proclaiming how much better everyone will be when we are all Socialist.

    They are totally ignorant of the fruits of Socialism. They don’t know history at all. Sadly, this is what is taught in our school systems. Individual thinking is discouraged. It is funny. The Left used to “question authority” at every turn. Now that they are the “authority” they demand unquestioning loyalty. As for people who equate work with slavery, they are ignorant of what slavery is. They’ve never been taught the value of work. This is something beyond Marxism. The Marxist State was an industrial State. People were supposed to work “according to their measure”. The notion that the masses should be indolent is as alien to Marxism as it is to Capitalism. People really think that all they should have to do is smoke dope and play Xbox. There isn’t much you can do with such people if you are unwilling to say “no work, no food” to them. They are parasites, but to them the life of a parasite is perfectly acceptable. Government “workers” are not much better. I think it was very telling when the Obama Administration said that they were being “almost as productive as the private sector” when they were trying to get the ObamaCare website done. Seriously? If it’d been done in private industry it would have cost less than a tenth of what it cost, and the website would have fucking worked.


  57. Mars
    58 | December 22, 2013 12:30 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Every where I read people are attacking capitalism and proclaiming how much better everyone will be when we are all Socialist.
    They are totally ignorant of the fruits of Socialism. They don’t know history at all. Sadly, this is what is taught in our school systems. Individual thinking is discouraged. It is funny. The Left used to “question authority” at every turn. Now that they are the “authority” they demand unquestioning loyalty. As for people who equate work with slavery, they are ignorant of what slavery is. They’ve never been taught the value of work. This is something beyond Marxism. The Marxist State was an industrial State. People were supposed to work “according to their measure”. The notion that the masses should be indolent is as alien to Marxism as it is to Capitalism. People really think that all they should have to do is smoke dope and play Xbox. There isn’t much you can do with such people if you are unwilling to say “no work, no food” to them. They are parasites, but to them the life of a parasite is perfectly acceptable. Government “workers” are not much better. I think it was very telling when the Obama Administration said that they were being “almost as productive as the private sector” when they were trying to get the ObamaCare website done. Seriously? If it’d been done in private industry it would have cost less than a tenth of what it cost, and the website would have fucking worked.

    Yeah, it’s not Marxism anymore. It’s more like Slackerism.


  58. Da_Beerfreak
    59 | December 22, 2013 1:03 pm

    @ Mars:
    It’s Liberalism taken to its logical conclusion.


  59. 60 | December 22, 2013 1:11 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Liberalism is essentially a philosophy for people who want to be taken care of by the State. The State is the All-Father, the god from whom all blessings flow. And any transgression against the State is heresy and must be utterly destroyed. At the core of Liberalism is a desire to regulate thinking. If you can’t articulate a forbidden thought, then you can never have a forbidden thought. That is the key about Political Correctness. They don’t want people to be able to think any different than the party line. It is ironic that if conservatism had been as intolerant as Liberalism, then Liberalism would have been outlawed in the early 1900s, and even moreso during the Cold War. They see tolerance (real tolerance) as a weakness through which they can launch their attacks.


  60. heysoos
    61 | December 22, 2013 1:15 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    Every where I read people are attacking capitalism and proclaiming how much better everyone will be when we are all Socialist.
    They are totally ignorant of the fruits of Socialism. They don’t know history at all. Sadly, this is what is taught in our school systems. Individual thinking is discouraged. It is funny. The Left used to “question authority” at every turn. Now that they are the “authority” they demand unquestioning loyalty. As for people who equate work with slavery, they are ignorant of what slavery is. They’ve never been taught the value of work. This is something beyond Marxism. The Marxist State was an industrial State. People were supposed to work “according to their measure”. The notion that the masses should be indolent is as alien to Marxism as it is to Capitalism. People really think that all they should have to do is smoke dope and play Xbox. There isn’t much you can do with such people if you are unwilling to say “no work, no food” to them. They are parasites, but to them the life of a parasite is perfectly acceptable. Government “workers” are not much better. I think it was very telling when the Obama Administration said that they were being “almost as productive as the private sector” when they were trying to get the ObamaCare website done. Seriously? If it’d been done in private industry it would have cost less than a tenth of what it cost, and the website would have fucking worked.

    Yeah, it’s not Marxism anymore. It’s more like Slackerism.

    less competition in the work force for my own kids…my son in law just finished his Masters in finance, 3.8gpa…fuck the slackers, they can weed his garden for work


  61. 62 | December 22, 2013 1:22 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Those cops were not polite enough or competent enough to deliver pizza.

    I’m speaking as someone who has delivered pizza for a living.

    At the very least they should be fired.


  62. 63 | December 22, 2013 1:23 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Indeed. If you don’t work, you don’t eat. There is no reason for us to coddle the slacker class.


  63. 64 | December 22, 2013 1:24 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 46 The Other Les: We probably need a citizen initiative in the right state that works to declare Islam a political entity and not a religion.

    That would work. Thanks.


  64. 65 | December 22, 2013 1:25 pm

    The Other Les wrote:

    At the very least they should be fired.

    Yeah, given that they drew their guns in the absence of any threat, you could make an argument for charging them with felony assault with a deadly weapon. Certainly they would charge a citizen who drew his weapon in the absence of a threat, or in many places if a threat was perceived. These cops do not need to be wearing badges. They are too trigger happy.


  65. Da_Beerfreak
    66 | December 22, 2013 1:32 pm

    Gleichschaltung.


  66. 67 | December 22, 2013 1:32 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Indeed. If you don’t work, you don’t eat. There is no reason for us to coddle the slacker class.

    The Slacker class needs to learn how to live in the real world. The hard way if necessary.

    (And today may be a wonderful day to watch football but I’m not a fan so I’ll go out to Fuddrucker’s for the best cheeseburger and fries in the known universe.

    Bye, for now.


  67. RIX
    68 | December 22, 2013 1:33 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I’ll take grief for this, but in my experience cops are not usually bright bulbs.
    But, they do feel perfectly privileged to violate citizen rights & brag about it to their cronies in the bar.
    Then of course they drive home often over the legal limit.
    This isn’t conjecture.


  68. 69 | December 22, 2013 3:22 pm

    @ RIX:
    Yeah, it depends on the cop. I dated a cop briefly right after I’d graduated from high school, and she was right decent. Of course she hadn’t been a cop for very long. I’ve known other cops through the years. I’ve bought guns from cops and sold guns to cops, and it has never been a big deal. All the cops that I’ve known personally were strongly against gun control. I’m sure that there are cops that feel another way on the issue, but at least in the South they are rare. I tend to judge people based on how they feel about me personally being armed. If you don’t want me to have (and carry) a weapon, what are you intending to do to me? Now, when we first got concealed carry here there was a cop I worked out with at Gold’s Gym, and he was very leery of citizens carrying guns. The propaganda machine kept saying that we were going to “bring back the Wild West”. Of course,. the truth is that everywhere they have liberalized carry laws crime has either stayed flat or gone down, and nowhere have you had the kind of limitless shootings that people predicted. Overall, people are quite capable of being heavily armed and not killing people at random.


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