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The Architect of Defeat is on the outs with more and more Republicans

by Speranza ( 169 Comments › )
Filed under Elections 2012, Elections 2016, George W. Bush, Mitt Romney, Politics, Republican Party at December 27th, 2013 - 7:00 am

My opinions of Karl Rove and the corrupt Republican consulting class has been well documented on this blog. Let this story speak for itself.

by Jon Terbush

A decade ago, Karl Rove was President George W. Bush’s right-hand man and one of the most powerful political figures in America. And even after his fortunes briefly dipped at the end of the Bush era, Rove roared to life again, tapping into and fueling the Tea Party movement through his massive super PAC, American Crossroads.

But today, with a GOP civil war raging between establishment types and upstart conservatives in the mold of Texas Sen. Ted Cruz (R), Rove’s once-strong influence has begun to wane. An embodiment of the Bush-era Republicans who have fallen out of favor of late, Rove, too, has begun to come under fire from the populist right.

In the latest sign of Rove’s diminished standing, a dozen super PACs are challenging his American Crossroads in the GOP money game, and aiming to promote their own preferred candidates in races across the country, according to the New York Times.

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Crossroads was widely criticized for not producing more victories in 2012 despite spending some $300 million. The group had dismal 16.7 percent success rate in the last election, according to OpenSecrets.

And then there’s this bizarre embodiment of Rove’s slipping grasp: While providing live election night analysis for Fox News, he refused to concede that Ohio had gone for Obama and that, as a result, Romney had lost the race.

Rove’s Crossroads spent nearly $100 million just to defeat Obama. That effort failed.

“He has lost his mojo,” a GOP strategist subsequently told the Washington Post of Rove. “He has become total spin, including spinning himself.”

Then at the start of the new year, Rove quickly found himself on the wrong side of the Tea Party.

In February, Rove launched the Conservative Victory Project, a group whose explicit goal was finding and aiding the most electable conservatives, while keeping fringe candidates from blowing winnable general elections. It was a direct response to the epic flameouts of candidates like Todd Akin — of “legitimate rape” infamy — who almost certainly cost the party several crucial seats in Congress.

Rove said the group would ensure GOP money wasn’t wasted on unelectable candidates. But conservatives, furious and feeling marginalized, pushed back, and hard. Rove, they felt, had exposed himself as exactly the kind of establishment Republican they opposed: An opportunist eager to get their votes without truly caring about their grassroots goals.

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Conservative radio personality Mark Levin challenged Rove to “bring it on,” while activist and ForAmerica chairman Brent Bozell accused Rove of waging “gang warfare” on the Tea Party. In a March letter to Crossroads donors, co-signed by other Tea Party groups, Bozell wrote that Rove should “stop blaming conservatives for his disastrous results,” and that he should “stop posturing himself as a conservative: His record supporting wasteful government spending and moderate candidates over conservatives spans decades.”

So began the great conservative money war of 2013.

Rove pushed back against his critics on the right, but Crossroads nevertheless went largely dormant for the remainder of the year, in part because of an unexpected dearth of funds. Through the first half of 2011, Crossroads raised almost $4 million; through the same period in 2013, it raised just $1.86 million.

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Crossroads, along with Rove’s other ventures, will assuredly pour money into next year’s races. But this time, unlike years past, they’ll have plenty of competition from within their own party.

Read the rest -  How Karl Rove went from GOP mastermind to the right’s political punching bag

 

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  1. Speranza
    2 | December 27, 2013 7:57 am

    While I have no problems with the concept of nominating the most electable Republican (which means that in New Jersey you go with a Chris Christie rather then a Bob Cuccinelli type) and know that in a traditionally Democratic state you need that a hard core conservative has zero chance of winning, the Establishment game is not to elect people as much as it is to maintain power.


  2. Speranza
    3 | December 27, 2013 7:59 am

    Rove was pretty much sacked after election day 2012 after his on the air meltdown. However Rove wailed and phone calls were made to Roger Ailes so he could return to Fox.


  3. 4 | December 27, 2013 8:15 am

    @ Mike C.:

    Yeah, as far as I am concerned, the Chamber of Commerce has become another enemy. They want to bring in millions of quasi-legal immigrants to cut wages fro Americans, and now want to destroy the Tea Party. What do they actually stand for, anymore? All I can see is intrenched Washington power. They want to be part of the ruling block, but what is their agenda? Just a higher bottom line? Or do they really want to move America forward. I don’t see that from them any more. They want cheap labor and lower living standards for workers. That doesn’t advance our cause, but I don’t think they see it as “our” cause.


  4. 5 | December 27, 2013 8:19 am

    Speranza wrote:

    which means that in New Jersey you go with a Chris Christie rather then a Bob Cuccinelli type

    And that may work when you are nominating a governor, or even a Senator. It doesn’t fly when you are nominating a President. Chris Christie is doing well in the polls right now, but all the polls really are at this stage are measures of name recognition. Chris Christie doesn’t have a manner that can sell to the rest of the country, and when you look at what he’s really done in New Jersey he’s not been that impressive. He won re-election, but he didn’t bring Republicans into the legislature when he did so. Maybe Democrat-lite is all we can exppect from New Jersey, but we have a rght and responsibility to expect more froma Presidential Candidate.


  5. 6 | December 27, 2013 8:48 am

    WHo didn’t see this coming?

    TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran’s nuclear chief said the country is building a new generation of centrifuges for uranium enrichment but that they need further tests before they can be mass produced, apparently trying to counter hard-liner criticism of its nuclear deal with word powers.

    Under a landmark nuclear deal reached last month in Geneva, Iran promised not to bring new centrifuges into operation for six months, part of temporary limitations on its uranium enrichment program in return for the easing of some sanctions. But the deal does not stop it from developing centrifuges.

    Salehi’s comments appeared aimed at showing the country is moving ahead with its nuclear program into order to fend off criticism by Iranian hard-liners, who have denounced the deal, calling it a surrender in the face of Western pressure. The government of new President Hassan Rouhani says the deal recognizes Iran’s right to enrich uranium

    Simply put, this “interim” agreement is nothing but window dressing to hide the fact that Obama has already accepted the idea of Iran as a nuclear power. Thus ends the proliferation debate, because if Iran is going nuclear, so will Saudi Arabia, and, for that matter, anyone else who damned well pleases. It won’t be the good guys building nukes (though I wouldn’t be surprised if Japan decided to go nuclear; it is a real hot-button issue for their politicians, though. No nukes is pretyt solid in their electorate) fo rthe most part. And proliferation all but guarantees that they will be used at some point. We may be unwilling to use our nukes (as are France and Britain), but the countries that will arm up in the future have no such scruples.


  6. 7 | December 27, 2013 8:51 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Chamber of Commerce and the GOP Establishment do see the Tea Party as a threat to their control, and rightfully so. That said, the Tea Party are, in my opinion, a patchwork of local-only organizations, and are not properly organized at a state or national level to challenge them.
    I wonder how the Whigs reacted to the (then) up-and-coming Republican Party?


  7. Daffy Duck
    8 | December 27, 2013 8:53 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Wow, I am utterly stunned….

    /


  8. 9 | December 27, 2013 8:53 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Of course we already know the answer. An Effeminate who sits in the Oval Office and stands with the Mohammedans when the ill winds blow.


  9. 10 | December 27, 2013 9:02 am

    Macker wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    The Chamber of Commerce and the GOP Establishment do see the Tea Party as a threat to their control, and rightfully so. That said, the Tea Party are, in my opinion, a patchwork of local-only organizations, and are not properly organized at a state or national level to challenge them.
    I wonder how the Whigs reacted to the (then) up-and-coming Republican Party?

    That’s something I will have to look into. Unless someone seriously writes a book soon. Ann Coulter? Ben Stein? Anyone?

    And I give a more complete explanation as to why I am now running for President:

    http://lesbates.blogspot.com/2013/12/kamakaze.html


  10. 11 | December 27, 2013 9:03 am

    @ Daffy Duck:

    Yeah, who could have seen that coming? They are building the advanced centrifuges because they intend to limit how they are refinning uranium. Yeah, that’s the story. The Iranians have all but refuted all of the “concessions” they made in the so-called “interim” agreement. They have no intention of stoppuing their quest for atomic weapons. They are just following in thefootsteps of North Korea. The Norks kept telling us that they were backing off their Manhatten Project, only to eventually test their own nuclear weapons. That is the way Irran intends to go. The Mad Mullahs are even more insane than the Kims. Kim doesn’t believe that he has a god-given right to subjugate the world. He is nuts, and may really believe himself to be a god, but there is only so much that he is willing to do, aparently. I’m not trying to make light of the Norks getting weapons. The biggest danger I can see from that is that L’il Kim will sell weapons to someone, though. Sure, Kim could nuke Seoul. That’d be a disaster of epic porportions. But he can’t hit America directly (though he could probably do the nuclear truck bomb, which is the delivery system that I am most concerned with). Neither could Iran, but she could hit the Saudis or (possibly) Israel. MAdmen with nukes is a much scarier situation than the Cold War stand-off between the US and the Soviets. The Soviets weren’t insane, while Kim and the Mad Mullahs are. Classic deterrance may not work on a people that believes in suicide bombing.


  11. 12 | December 27, 2013 9:09 am

    Macker wrote:

    I wonder how the Whigs reacted to the (then) up-and-coming Republican Party?

    I don’t know the answer to that question. I doubt, though, that you had such organized resistence to the Republicans as you see in the Republicans to the Tea Party. However, there is nothing particularly radical about the Tea Party. They simply want to see the Republicans live up to their rhetoric. As you can see from their resistence to them, the Republicans have no intention of living up to their rhetoric. They want you votes, but they have no intention of governing in a small-government manner. I don’ tknow what is going to happen there. I don’t think we have the time to get a new party off of the ground. We can all look ahead to the time when entitlements and interest on the debt eat up all Federal revenues. That is going to happen around 2025 if nothing changes. And they can’t effectively raise taxes. We are already taxed at an unsustainable level. Taxes are part of why we have such slow growth, and if they try to take out more than they are, they’ll slow growth even further (thus reducing revenue even though the tax rate is higher). We are in a world of hurt, and Obama has done unprecedented damage to us.


  12. huckfunn
    13 | December 27, 2013 9:10 am

    The latest Fox poll shows the GOP front runners for POTUS:

    Chris Christie:16%
    Ted Cruz: 12
    Paul Ryan: 12
    Jeb Bush: 12
    Rand Paul: 11
    Marco Rubio: 8
    Scott Walker: 6
    Rick Santorum: 3
    Rick Perry: 3

    Yes; I know… Polls at this point are mainly a name recognition contest. However, the poll shows the work that conservatives must do. Expose Christie, Bush and Ryan as the Big Government guys that they are. Make the debate about Big vs Smaller Government and return power to States.


  13. 14 | December 27, 2013 9:13 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    If The Effeminate were not in power (and neither, for that matter, Joe The Biden™), perhaps a SANE POTUS could tell the Iranians “you nuke just one city in the Western World, and that includes Israel, we will destroy your country. Period. End of Story.”
    Yes, that is wishful thinking, and I know it.


  14. Daffy Duck
    15 | December 27, 2013 9:14 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    “They are just following in thefootsteps of North Korea.”

    Not only that, but like North Korea, there is a Democrat Administration paving the path for them.


  15. Daffy Duck
    16 | December 27, 2013 9:17 am

    @ The Other Les:

    Free campaign tips:

    1. Ditch the crazy eyes,
    2. Put on a “onesie” pajama,
    3. Grab a cup of coffee,
    4. Talk to us about healthcare / healthinsurance.

    / :-)


  16. 17 | December 27, 2013 9:23 am

    Macker wrote:

    you nuke just one city in the Western World, and that includes Israel, we will destroy your country. Period. End of Story.”

    That is the way it should be, but we know that with Obama in the White House that isn’t the way it is. At this stage I’d say our nuclear deterrant is negligable. Why should anybody believe that we’d use them? Hell, I don’t believe that we’d use them, myself, over a limited strike like nuclear terrorism. And we don’t have enemies who are going to launch thousands of warheads at us anymore. The Russians and the Chinese (to a much smaller degree) could do that, but there is no indication that they would do that. Both are strategic competitors for us, but they are neither one suicidal. Iran, OTOH, is suicidal. They might very well decide that hitting the Great Satan is worth the risk that we’ll hit them back. Especially if, as I do, they believe that the United States would not retaliate in kind, anyway.


  17. 18 | December 27, 2013 9:26 am

    Daffy Duck wrote:

    there is a Democrat Administration paving the path for them.

    Absolutely true. I think Bush’s original battle plan included taking Iran out, but we didn’t find stockplies of WMD in Iraq, and the Democrats were more interested in tearing down the Bush Administration than they were worried about little things like National Security. It is really still the same way. Obama’d rather fight the Tea Party than fight the Iranians. This “interim” agreement is solely to give Obama a fig leaf for allowing Iran to get nukes.


  18. Bumr50
    19 | December 27, 2013 9:38 am

    @ huckfunn:

    Chris Christie is just as toxic to the rest of the country as Ted Cruz is to the I-95 corridor and the Left Coast.

    We need a candidate that both sides will be receptive to from the gate, like it or not IMHO.

    I think Scott Walker fits the bill nicely.

    Christie seems to be the darling of the Establishment, and as their primary focus seems to be diminishing populist influence rather than solving problems, it will be interesting to see if they push Christie out of pure spite and disdain or get behind Bush.

    I’m not as down on Paul Ryan as you and many others on the Right are. I think he’s just a severe realist, but he may lack the rhetorical skills to win an election. In the end I think his goals are noble, and that he is doing the best he can in the position he was put in.


  19. 20 | December 27, 2013 9:41 am

    This is somethingthat bears watching:

    WASHINGTON — If you buy one of the less expensive insurance plans sold through the new health law’s marketplaces, you may be in for a surprise: Some plans won’t pay for doctor visits before you meet your annual deductible, which could be thousands of dollars.

    “This could be the next shoe to drop, as people don’t realize that if they’re buying a bronze plan, they may have to pay $5,000 out of pocket before it contributes a penny,” said Carl McDonald, senior analyst with Citi Investment Research, speaking at a conference last month in Washington.

    Experts are worrying that some new enrollees will be discouraged from seeing doctors if they have to pay the full charge, rather than simply a copayment. In Miami, for example, 40 percent of bronze plans require consumers to pay the full deductible before coverage kicks in, according to an analysis by online broker eHealthinsurance.com, a private online marketplace, for Kaiser Health News. The average deductible among the examined bronze plans in Miami is $5,735.

    Patients in those plans who haven’t yet met their annual deductibles would have to pay the full cost of the visits, unless they were for preventive services mandated by the law. A typical office visit can run $65 to $85, while more complex visits may cost more.

    The analysis didn’t include plans by Florida Blue, which offers a variety of policies in the Miami area. Florida Blue didn’t respond to requests from Kaiser Health News for information about which of its plans cover doctor visits before the deductible is met.

    People who buy their own insurance have always had to pay a set annual sum, called a deductible, before policies begin paying their claims. But first-time insurance buyers may not realize they’re on the hook for those costs before benefits kick in, and might choose plans based solely on the monthly premiums.

    Bronze and silver plans, which have the lowest monthly premiums but typically some of the highest deductibles, are the most likely to require consumers to spend that amount themselves before the insurer pays any claims.

    People are goin gto be pissed that they are spending thousands of dollars a year on plans that they then have to pay thousands of more dollars a year on before they will pay one red cent of their healthcare. I’ve seen that a lot of peopl ethought ObamaCare was going to be free. How they expected that to work, I do not know, but that was their expectation. From what I’ve seen, even the platinum plans have fairly steep deductibles, and they are a stone fortune a month. People aren’t going to eb getting the ObamaCare that they think they are goin gto be getting. That should have some consequences at the polls.


  20. 21 | December 27, 2013 9:46 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    In the end I think his goals are noble, and that he is doing the best he can in the position he was put in.

    I have to wonder why he went with cutting Veteran’s benefits so much. This is a tiny savings out of the military budget, and it will have real-world impact on the military families that it hits. Does he really expect us to believe that there isn’t someplace else they could have cut spending? Maybe this was the best deal that we could get. Maybe the Democrats insisted cutting Veteran’s benefits. But he would have done well to communicate this to the people, and shown that the Democrats were the ones who wanted to use our veterans as fall guys to preserve their Big Government spending. And there is $7 trillion in new deficit spending in this package. That’ll put our National Debt at $24 trillion by the end of this deal. Is that really the best he could do?


  21. Bumr50
    22 | December 27, 2013 9:51 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    SURVEY: MOST UNINSURED DON’T UNDERSTAND INSURANCE TERMS

    The delay on the part of the uninsured to buy health insurance may be because 60 percent struggle with insurance concepts, a U.S. survey indicates.

    The Urban Institute’s Health Reform Monitoring Survey, a new initiative that tracks three factors surrounding the Affordable Care Act’s implementation — insurance coverage, access to care and healthcare affordability — on a quarterly basis, found 60 percent of the population targeted for enrollment in the new insurance exchanges struggle with understanding key health insurance concepts, such as premiums or deductibles.

    The level of health literacy is even lower among younger, Hispanic and non-white people who might enroll in the new exchanges, as well as people newly eligible for Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act.

    Understanding of insurance concepts drops precipitously among those eligible for exchange subsidies or Medicaid, but who are currently uninsured, the survey indicated.


  22. RIX
    23 | December 27, 2013 9:57 am

    Good morning. Just an observation, the alliance between the Chamber of Commere and Establishment Republicans might just cause the formation of a third party. That is the last thing that Republicans need.


  23. 24 | December 27, 2013 10:00 am

    Daffy Duck wrote:

    @ The Other Les:
    Free campaign tips:
    1. Ditch the crazy eyes,
    2. Put on a “onesie” pajama,
    3. Grab a cup of coffee,
    4. Talk to us about healthcare / healthinsurance.
    /

    And in general ditch any pretense of a being a fully rational adult.

    Seriously, feh!


  24. Bumr50
    25 | December 27, 2013 10:04 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    It’s a worthwhile criticism, but I read his op-ed and it seemed to make sense on a practical level.

    And I still think reforms will be made to help those on the lower end of the military pension scale.

    He’s a numbers guy more than a politician, which is why he probably couldn’t be an effective Presidential candidate, but you NEED numbers guys.

    I’ll give him a raspberry but I’m not going to throw him under the bus just yet.


  25. 26 | December 27, 2013 10:09 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Is that really the best he could do?

    Sadly, yes, I think that was the the best deal he could get.


  26. 27 | December 27, 2013 10:11 am

    @ Bumr50:
    Sir, I am not as optimistic about Paul Ryan as you are. From my perspective he has compromised with the Democrats the way Alger Hiss had compromised with the Stalin Era Soviets. He is for all practical purposes one of them.

    The Beltway Nomenklatura has to be brought down, There is no question of it.


  27. 28 | December 27, 2013 10:24 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    And I still think reforms will be made to help those on the lower end of the military pension scale.

    I don’t see how they can’t be. Our military deserves better than this. You can’t tell me that this is where they had to cut. Not when they are giving people $2.6 million to teach Chinese hookers how to drink. There is way too much fat in the existing budget. There are all kinds of places that they can cut, and no one will really notice. In truth, who really noticed when the Federal Government was “shut down”? And Obama was doing his level best to make it as painful as possible to the average voter. If they were serious about cleaning this mess up, they could probably find $500 billion in wasted money to save the tax payer, if they were willing to look for it.


  28. 29 | December 27, 2013 10:29 am

    @ doriangrey:

    It may have been, but then the Republicans should have been out there, everywhere, pointing out that the reason this deal sucks so badly is because the Democrats insisted on it sucking so badly. The Democrats want to blow all the taxpayers’ money that they can. They don’t even appear to care what the money is wasted on, so long as it is wasted. They don’t want to do anything with positive side effects, like, say, nuclearizing the US power grid. They want to blow the money as surrely as if they’d blown it on coke and whores. They want that money gone. In many cases, they are enriching their cronies, as seems to have been the case with the ObamaCare web site. But I think their goal is more malevolent than simply pilliaging the public treasury. They want to dig American into s deep a debt hole that we collapse under it. That’s why Obama’s been blowing an extra trillion a year, every year, since he waselected. Obama has spent more than every president before him combined with the exception fo George Bush’s last two years. And those two years were with the Democrats in control of the House and Senate. The Democrats want to bankrupt America, and I think they are going to succeed at doing that.


  29. Speranza
    30 | December 27, 2013 10:49 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    And that may work when you are nominating a governor, or even a Senator. It doesn’t fly when you are nominating a President.

    I wasn’t talking about the presidency I was referring to the fact that in Blue States you run a Christie if you are a Republican and in Red States you run a Ben Nelson if you are a Democrat. However if you are a Republican and you sit it out if it is a Christie-Hillary match or a Romney-Obama contest, in my opinion you forfeit the right to make demands on the Republican Party.


  30. Speranza
    31 | December 27, 2013 10:51 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    I think Scott Walker fits the bill nicely.

    So do I.


  31. 33 | December 27, 2013 10:58 am

    Speranza wrote:

    in my opinion you forfeit the right to make demands on the Republican Party

    When does the Party forfit the right to demand my vote? How often do they have to disappoint me? And not just me, but millions of Republicans. I’ve given my share of donations to the Party, and only ever asked that they govern the way they claim that they will. So far they have failed to do that. That is what cost them the House and Senate in 2006. That wasn’t me abandoning them. That was from them abandoning what Republicanism is supposed to stand for. Now they want to try to force Chris Christie on me. No sale. He is not a man who is fit to be President of the United States. Period. If they want my vote, they can begin by at least offering a candidate that isn’t four-square against Constitutional governance. If they can’ t do that, then no, they can’t count on my vote. I’ve never been a “Party Uber-Alles” guy. I expect the Party to stand for positions, and for them to make policy on those positions. If they can’t do that, what good are they?


  32. 34 | December 27, 2013 11:02 am

    @ Daffy Duck:

    Lord I hope you’re talking about Les in a Onesie. I just got this horrible vision of Christie……


  33. 35 | December 27, 2013 11:03 am

    @ doriangrey:

    For Obama, though, impeachment is not possible. Indeed, I’d say he’d welcome impeachment by the House, solid and safe in his assumptions that it won’t go anywhere in the Senate. And it won’t go anywhere in the Senate. He’d beat the drum of RAAAAACISM and the media would go along with him on it. Politics is the art of the possible. Impeaching Obama is simply not possible.


  34. 36 | December 27, 2013 11:05 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I especially am infuriated with the cutting of benefits to veterans while leaving civilian benefits intact and not cutting welfare to illegals, who by law should not be receiving benefits of any kind in the first place. Inexcusable.


  35. 37 | December 27, 2013 11:06 am

    @ doriangrey:

    In Obama’s case I would hazard a guess that it has not been reached yet. Or an 8 lying on it’s side, if you get my drift.


  36. 38 | December 27, 2013 11:09 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I agree. Why should illegals get any benefits? Break the law, enter the country illegally, and go on welfare. What could possibly go wrong? For the illegal immigrant, nothing. For the society as a whole, though, I think we have the right to demand that the Federal Government not plunder us to provide benefits to the people who shouldn’t be in this country to begin with. I don’t see how the Republicans could go wron in asserting that position. I’ve not seen anything that makes me buy into that they had to reduce military benefits. Just that the Democrats demanded that we do so. That is a PR nightmare for the Democrats, but they know that the Republicans won’t attack them on it.


  37. 39 | December 27, 2013 11:15 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Chamber of Commerce is making a BIG mistake here. Either they are woefully misinformed that amnesty is popular, or they simply choose to ignore it. But in states such as Texas, Arizona, and even California, the dilatory effects of the illegal invasion are felt particularly hard -- increased automobile insurance rates, closed emergency rooms, budgetary drains, and depression of wages. And those are the economic hazards. The CRIME rates are tragic. And they can spend all the money they want on ads -- the voters know that what they’re looking for is cheap labor for their members -- at the expense of Americans. Amazing that those that scream for a “livable” wage are so silent when it comes to the depressing of wages by the illegal populace -- after all, why pay a reputable plumber $100 an hour when Pablo at the Home Depot parking lot is available for $20? Of course, when you find out Pablo has screwed up the job a week later when your water heater explodes -- hey, it’s just business.


  38. taxfreekiller
    40 | December 27, 2013 11:16 am

    So, fat face Rove,,,,

    He could not beat the full bore traitor Lt. for life John F. Kerry without the help of the http://www.swiftboatveteransfortruth.comn and when they did help he never once said thank you or ack. that it was their work that got him and boy Bush in.

    Sean Hannity needs to get a divorce and or seek intervention on his man crush.

    like that


  39. Daffy Duck
    41 | December 27, 2013 11:17 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    When does the Party forfit the right to demand my vote? …

    That was beautiful.


  40. RIX
    42 | December 27, 2013 11:17 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    I especially am infuriated with the cutting of benefits to veterans while leaving civilian benefits intact and not cutting welfare to illegals, who by law should not be receiving benefits of any kind in the first place. Inexcusable.

    In it’s Hispanic outreach the Administration is assuring the community that signing up for ObamaCare will not put anyone in danger of deportation. They need sign ups.
    Didn’t they say that the health plans would be limited to citizens/


  41. brookly red
    43 | December 27, 2013 11:20 am

    RIX wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    I especially am infuriated with the cutting of benefits to veterans while leaving civilian benefits intact and not cutting welfare to illegals, who by law should not be receiving benefits of any kind in the first place. Inexcusable.

    In it’s Hispanic outreach the Administration is assuring the community that signing up for ObamaCare will not put anyone in danger of deportation. They need sign ups.
    Didn’t they say that the health plans would be limited to citizens/

    I would not be surprised that somewhere in the fine print signing up grants you citizenship…


  42. 44 | December 27, 2013 11:23 am

    @ brookly red:

    Goodness knows that Motor/Voter law got them illegally signed up to vote.


  43. taxfreekiller
    45 | December 27, 2013 11:24 am

    Go for as many “more”, “most”, “very” conservative House Repubicans as possible to get the speaker we need.

    Go for as may R’s in the Senate as possible.

    Push the establisment R’s as far to the right as possible on a Pres. pick.

    If we do not stop the amnesty, big goverment, spy on U.S. Christy Cream Cristy then we can block him making deals with the commies via the House or Senate.

    do what is possible

    Key is getting out more voters, who are the more conservative types who have been poked in the eye by the RINOs so many times now they just stay home, get them back in the game, win.


  44. 46 | December 27, 2013 11:25 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Yeah, people think they can save a buck going with illegal labor, but most of the time that isn’t true. The illegals don’t seem to take the pride in their workmanship that most of the more well-compensated do. Too, a business with roots in the community can’t afford to get the reputation of doing a sub-par job, while someone that is only coming through has nothng to worry about in that regard. I agree that the Chamber is making a strategic error. People in the Tea Party are going to be generally favorable towards the Chamber. Or would be if the Chamber weren’t trying to shut them down. It is easy to see a political class that wants to be free of the inconveniences of having to deal with te voters on both side of the aisle. There are too many Republicans who simply want to be in office, get their perks and their pork, and continue on the spending spree that we are currently on. They are very short-sighted, and do not have the interests of the country at heart.


  45. 47 | December 27, 2013 11:28 am

    RIX wrote:

    Didn’t they say that the health plans would be limited to citizens

    Believe it or not, Obama lied when he said that. Of course, he’s lied about everything else associated with ObamaCare, sowhat did you expect? I’d say, though, that illegals are unlikely to sign up if they have to pay out of pocket for the plan. Now, how many of them try to get on Medicaid, I don’t know. I’m guessing that it’ll be a pretty large section of them. They are here to make money, and getting money from the Federal government is one of the ways that they are doing that.


  46. lobo91
    48 | December 27, 2013 11:28 am

    @ RIX:

    Didn’t they say that the health plans would be limited to citizens/

    I’m sure that most people have already forgotten that that particular point was what caused Joe Wilson’s famous outburst during the State of the Union address.


  47. taxfreekiller
    49 | December 27, 2013 11:29 am

    Keep in mind it is not about the Republican Party , in the long run it is all about U.S., the Constitution, the rule of law, liberty, freedom.

    R’s and D’s and Libetarian parties etal will come and go.

    Stay on doing for U.S. “We The People”.

    None of them can serve and protect like we out here in fly over country.

    Without the force of arms, coruage, and the will to be free, the D.C. money cult is powerless.

    imho


  48. brookly red
    50 | December 27, 2013 11:29 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Goodness knows that Motor/Voter law got them illegally signed up to vote.

    note my lack of sarc tag…


  49. 51 | December 27, 2013 11:31 am

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    Key is getting out more voters, who are the more conservative types who have been poked in the eye by the RINOs so many times now they just stay home, get them back in the game, win.

    Easily said, but I am not sure how easily done. I am sure that I am not alone when I say that I am really fed up of our national “leadership”. I don’t see that they support a policy agenda that meets my goals. Even at the State level I have been disappointed by the Republicans. It is hard to get enthusiastic about a Party that tells you “STFU but give me your vote”.


  50. 52 | December 27, 2013 11:32 am

    @ lobo91:

    It’s RAAAAACIST to call the President a liar just because he’s lying. You are supposed to go along with his lies for the camera, if nothing else.


  51. RIX
    53 | December 27, 2013 11:42 am

    @ brookly red:
    I would not be surprised that somewhere in the fine print signing up grants you citizenship

    And of course registering as a Democrat.


  52. taxfreekiller
    54 | December 27, 2013 11:42 am

    Republican RINO’s and the leadership will take your vote and turn their backs on you, but the commie Democrats will take the on the dole votes and the fraud votes and take your freedom, life, and that of your children.

    R’s are bad, D’s are evil pure.


  53. 55 | December 27, 2013 11:44 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    How come no one calls for ending Islamic Immigration? Part of the illegal problem is caused becasue Muslims get preferences in Immigration visas, thus freezing out non Muslims. An Egyptian Muslim can get a Visa asap a Coptic Christian can’t.

    I know the answer and I bet you 2 as well know why no one calls for ending Islamic Immigration. :wink: Hint: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


  54. taxfreekiller
    56 | December 27, 2013 11:45 am

    RINO’s are the center point to attack.

    Without the enabeing votes of the RINO’s the commies do not have what it takes.

    Attack RINO House members and Senate members with $, work, and truth.


  55. 57 | December 27, 2013 11:45 am

    @ brookly red:

    Indeed. I’m still fond of telling the story of going to vote and the guy two in front of me didn’t speak any English and the poll workers were about to give him a ballot when several of us in line reminded them that only CITIZENS can vote and in order to become a citizen you have to show and ability to speak English. We started demanding that this guy produce ID and he ran off. Methinks an illegal vote for Obama was thwarted (not that it mattered in THIS state).


  56. RIX
    58 | December 27, 2013 11:45 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Didn’t they say that the health plans would be limited to citizens/

    I’m sure that most people have already forgotten that that particular point was what caused Joe Wilson’s famous outburst during the State of the Union address.

    yup, nobody remembers why Wilson said that. but you would think that it was akin to the assassination of Caesar on the Ides of March.
    What is forgotten is the derisive laughing & hooting at W at his State of the Union’s.


  57. 59 | December 27, 2013 11:46 am

    @ taxfreekiller:

    The whole system sucks. It’s about pitting Americans of different regions, ethnicities against each other. The whole system is fake, why bother getting stressed about it.


  58. 60 | December 27, 2013 11:48 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    This is where I break with much of the Right, I totally support a National ID card with an embedded chip. That solves alot problems right there.


  59. taxfreekiller
    61 | December 27, 2013 11:51 am

    No stress, it is only words so far.

    All this takes is getting 5% more votes out in Pres. races on our side.

    Then the small amount of work needed to get good House and Senate R’s, easy.

    Stress is when you only have one clip and your team is down to 6 from 12 and your carrying 4 wounded and the pick up LZ is still a klick away. that is stress, this shit not so much.@ Rodan:


  60. 62 | December 27, 2013 11:52 am

    @ RIX:

    To A Conservative that may look at like pandering. But to a Hispanic its quit insulting. Contrary to the myth the Left has pushed and many Conservatives believe only 10% of Hispanics are illegal. But its great politics for the Democrats to make out Hispanic to be helpless victims and Republicans to use us a boogeymen.

    It’s just a small example of how both parties divide people for political football.


  61. 63 | December 27, 2013 11:53 am

    @ taxfreekiller:

    I see your point and with what you went through this aint shit.


  62. 64 | December 27, 2013 11:54 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    It’s RAAAAACIST to call the President a liar just because he’s lying. You are supposed to go along with his lies for the camera, if nothing else.

    No, you are a Heretic for question our divine god-king and his infinite wisdom!
    ////////////////


  63. heysoos
    65 | December 27, 2013 11:55 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ taxfreekiller:
    The whole system sucks. It’s about pitting Americans of different regions, ethnicities against each other. The whole system is fake, why bother getting stressed about it.

    there you have it…


  64. taxfreekiller
    66 | December 27, 2013 11:56 am

    The ones in China are the fall guys the two party evil money cult aim to scam.

    They aim to pay the China commies with worthless dollars, some where like 20 cents on the dollar is my guess.

    Then they will use U.S. to fight the pissed off commies of China in the Pacific, same old shit.


  65. taxfreekiller
    67 | December 27, 2013 11:58 am

    Who would be afraid of a few spineless RINO’s and Karl Rove fat faced girly boys???

    Easy fight , if you guys will not I know many who will, just hide and watch if that is were your at.@ heysoos:


  66. 68 | December 27, 2013 11:58 am

    Did anyone see this?

    Low premiums may mean high out-of-pocket health costs


  67. lobo91
    69 | December 27, 2013 11:59 am

    Gov. Haley: Santa Gave Me Gun for Christmas

    South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley got just what she wanted for Christmas — a nice, new handgun.

    The Republican governor, who is a fierce advocate of the Second Amendment, revealed on her Facebook page that one of the gifts under her tree was a Beretta, according to South Carolina’s The State.

    Haley, who has a concealed gun permit, posted a picture of the weapon on the social media site and said, “Our family had a wonderful Christmas together! I must have been good, Santa gave me a Beretta PX4 Storm.” The posting had received 86,000 “likes” by midday on Thursday.

    On the official “On the Issues” governor’s website, Haley declared that she’s a strong advocate for the right to bear arms. “Few things are as clearly defined as the right of individual Americans to own and use firearms,” she wrote under the headline, “Make Concealed Weapons Permits Easier.”

    She added, “I hold a Concealed Weapons Permit myself, and in this state we have issues that make it difficult for CWP holders to carry. As governor, I will continue to fight against any government infringement on the Second Amendment.”


  68. taxfreekiller
    70 | December 27, 2013 11:59 am

    I need to get Ted Cruz to post here some.


  69. lobo91
    71 | December 27, 2013 12:00 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Did anyone see this?

    Low premiums may mean high out-of-pocket health costs

    Is that from the “No shit, Sherlock?” file?


  70. Bumr50
    72 | December 27, 2013 12:02 pm

    @ Rodan:
    @ heysoos:

    Yes.

    They WANT an angry mob.

    That’s why Holder’s charging the one white guy they caught playing the “Knockout Game” against a black man while ignoring the hundreds (thousands) of the same instances with the race reversed. (there are a couple of “hate crime” charges at the local level, but not Federal)

    It’s not even institutional racism, really.

    It’s simply polarization.

    Just one example…


  71. 73 | December 27, 2013 12:02 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Look at the Duck Dynasty thing. The boogeymen for Progressives are White Southern Christians, so they tried to demonize Phil Robertson. That little episode is part of the divisive nature of our politics.


  72. 74 | December 27, 2013 12:05 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Yup, everything we said about this scam is coming to pass. The Media knew this and their discovery of these flaw is BS.


  73. 75 | December 27, 2013 12:09 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    They all should be charged with a Hate Crime or just let the local authorities handle it. This one White guy was an asshole though by filming it and explicitly saying he wanted national attention.

    Holder charged him to inflame more tensions.


  74. RIX
    76 | December 27, 2013 12:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    To A Conservative that may look at like pandering. But to a Hispanic its quit insulting. Contrary to the myth the Left has pushed and many Conservatives believe only 10% of Hispanics are illegal. But its great politics for the Democrats to make out Hispanic to be helpless victims and Republicans to use us a boogeymen.

    It’s just a small example of how both parties divide people for political football.

    Exactly. Hispanics are culturally conservative and will eventually be a Republican constituency.


  75. 77 | December 27, 2013 12:11 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    R’s are bad, D’s are evil pure.

    Quoted for truth and accuracy… :twisted:


  76. 78 | December 27, 2013 12:12 pm

    This is going to open a pandora’s box in Lebanon.

    Leading pro-Western pol killed in powerful Beirut blast

    Many Lebanese Sunnis are now openly calling for Nusra to “liberate Lebanon.” Stay tuned, it’s going to get really ugly.


  77. 79 | December 27, 2013 12:13 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    I need to get Ted Cruz to post here some.

    ROTFLMAO… While I admire Ted, I don’t think he has the time or, quite frankly is brave enough to come here… :mrgreen:


  78. brookly red
    80 | December 27, 2013 12:13 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    Look at the Duck Dynasty thing. The boogeymen for Progressives are White Southern Christians, so they tried to demonize Phil Robertson. That little episode is part of the divisive nature of our politics.

    seems to have back-fired no?


  79. 81 | December 27, 2013 12:14 pm

    @ Rodan:
    That’s me, heretic to the God-Emperor! I swear, I do know how you feel about being frustrated with politics. I’ve been doing all of this for over 20 years, now, and I don’t feel like I’ve made any appreciable progress. I don’t feel that the Country has made any appreciable progress on a national level. Now, on a State level it is more of a mixed bag. We managed to keep Tennessee from having a State income tax, and in 1994 I believe that I was somewhat instrumental in generating the groundswell against Jim Sasser. He looked at the turnout to the rally against the crime bill we had, saw only about a thousand people, and decided to stake his election on gun control. What he didn’t get is that a thousand people, in Nashville, on a hot summer day, represents a lot more people that didn’t turn out. In any event, Sasser became our last Democrat senator, for now almost 20 years. I have no doubt that we’ll continue that tradition next year, though Alexander is being primaried. I personally will vote against him in the primary, but if he wins (and I expect that he will) I’ll vote for him in the general. He certainly isn’t the best leader we have on capitol hill, but he isn’t the worst one up there, either. I don’t know that it’ll make much difference if we take the Senate next year, though that should end Obama’s ability to appoint judges. We win some small battles, but we are losing the war. The borrowing simply can’t go on forever, and we are going to pay a terrible price when the time comes.


  80. Bumr50
    82 | December 27, 2013 12:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    Look at the Duck Dynasty thing. The boogeymen for Progressives are White Southern Christians, so they tried to demonize Phil Robertson. That little episode is part of the divisive nature of our politics.

    Also why they’re trying to co-opt the Pope.

    Divide and conquer.


  81. RIX
    83 | December 27, 2013 12:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Did anyone see this?

    Low premiums may mean high out-of-pocket health costs

    The single deductible on the Bronze Plan is about $6,000. They goy that right, but unless I missed it they didn’t point out that it is 2x for family
    People who can afford that out of pocket expense or $12,000 paradoxically don’t buy the Bronze PLan.
    Doctors know that these people can’t over that deductible.


  82. 84 | December 27, 2013 12:25 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    When I started calling Obma the god-king I did it as a joke. However, it has become apparent that to the media and many on the Left he is viewed as some divine savior. You pegged him with Black Jesus. ™ They really think he’s going to spiritually enhance this nation. Barbara Walters admitted they view him as a messiah.


  83. 85 | December 27, 2013 12:27 pm

    @ brookly red:

    In the case of Phil Robertson yes. He’s a part of the Pop Culture and many people including some on the Left love that show.


  84. brookly red
    86 | December 27, 2013 12:28 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    Did anyone see this?

    Low premiums may mean high out-of-pocket health costs

    The single deductible on the Bronze Plan is about $6,000. They goy that right, but unless I missed it they didn’t point out that it is 2x for family
    People who can afford that out of pocket expense or $12,000 paradoxically don’t buy the Bronze PLan.
    Doctors know that these people can’t over that deductible.

    so basically you just pay the premiums for nothing and if you do actually get hit by a bus the death panels kick in and harvest your organs for “the greater good”.


  85. 87 | December 27, 2013 12:30 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    How many Constitutional violations equal an Impeachment?

    Only one. But the Nomenklatura has seen to it that impeachment won’t happen. So we don’t have a valid government.

    Here I point out one of the consequences of not having a valid government:

    http://lesbates.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-notional-debt.html


  86. RIX
    88 | December 27, 2013 12:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    When I started calling Obma the god-king I did it as a joke. However, it has become apparent that to the media and many on the Left he is viewed as some divine savior. You pegged him with Black Jesus. ™ They really think he’s going to spiritually enhance this nation. Barbara Walters admitted they view him as a messiah.

    When Evan Thomas was with Newsweek he described Obama, “He strides above us like a god.”
    It is juvenile silliness, but also dangerous.


  87. brookly red
    89 | December 27, 2013 12:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    When I started calling Obma the god-king I did it as a joke. However, it has become apparent that to the media and many on the Left he is viewed as some divine savior. You pegged him with Black Jesus. ™ They really think he’s going to spiritually enhance this nation. Barbara Walters admitted they view him as a messiah.

    I can’t wait for the real messiah to cease to be amused…


  88. 90 | December 27, 2013 12:31 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    The Left tried to co-opt the Pope and then some on the Right went all anti-Catholic.


  89. 91 | December 27, 2013 12:35 pm

    @ RIX:

    I am convinced that if Obama ordered people to commit mass suicide, at least 1/4 of the population would.


  90. RIX
    92 | December 27, 2013 12:36 pm

    @ brookly red:
    so basically you just pay the premiums for nothing and if you do actually get hit by a bus the death panels kick in and harvest your organs for “the greater good”.

    That’s about it. Obama & his people all snarked against “junk insurance” that people had.
    So, they force people into these useless programs after getting them cancelled from the coverage that most liked .
    Sarah Palin’s crime is that she was right about the Death Panels.


  91. 93 | December 27, 2013 12:37 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I am convinced that if Obama ordered people to commit mass suicide, at least 1/4 of the population would.

    Hmmm so, how do we get him to give that order?


  92. 94 | December 27, 2013 12:38 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Sarah Palin’s crime is that she was right about the Death Panels.

    Doesn’t matter speranza and rodan still hate her.


  93. brookly red
    95 | December 27, 2013 12:39 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I am convinced that if Obama ordered people to commit mass suicide, at least 1/4 of the population would.

    Hmmm so, how do we get him to give that order?

    is some ways he already has


  94. brookly red
    96 | December 27, 2013 12:42 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    so basically you just pay the premiums for nothing and if you do actually get hit by a bus the death panels kick in and harvest your organs for “the greater good”.

    That’s about it. Obama & his people all snarked against “junk insurance” that people had.
    So, they force people into these useless programs after getting them cancelled from the coverage that most liked .
    Sarah Palin’s crime is that she was right about the Death Panels.

    move over tea party, it’s time for the “told you so” party.


  95. 97 | December 27, 2013 12:43 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Daffy Duck:
    Lord I hope you’re talking about Les in a Onesie. I just got this horrible vision of Christie……

    Ma’am, I wouldn’t be caught dead in a onesie.


  96. 98 | December 27, 2013 12:43 pm

    Anthony Weiner is planning another political comeback.


  97. 99 | December 27, 2013 12:46 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    I’ve been wondering how to do that. Obama is a big egoist, maybe a letter writing campaign for to get his supporters to prove their loyalty. He might actually ask people to prove their love for him.


  98. brookly red
    100 | December 27, 2013 12:48 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:

    I’ve been wondering how to do that. Obama is a big egoist, maybe a letter writing campaign for to get his supporters to prove their loyalty. He might actually ask people to prove their love for him.

    better type it out, they can’t read cursive


  99. 101 | December 27, 2013 12:49 pm

    Check out this DOD post I did.

    Charles Johnson’s lame attempt to paint Phil Robertson as a Pedophile


  100. heysoos
    102 | December 27, 2013 12:56 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    I’ve been wondering how to do that. Obama is a big egoist, maybe a letter writing campaign for to get his supporters to prove their loyalty. He might actually ask people to prove their love for him.

    I say it’s worth a try


  101. RIX
    103 | December 27, 2013 12:58 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    I am convinced that if Obama ordered people to commit mass suicide, at least 1/4 of the population would.

    Wouldn’t shock me.


  102. RIX
    104 | December 27, 2013 12:59 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Sarah Palin’s crime is that she was right about the Death Panels.

    Doesn’t matter speranza and rodan still hate her.

    A lot of people do, but I really like her.


  103. 105 | December 27, 2013 1:01 pm

    @ RIX:

    Me too.


  104. RIX
    106 | December 27, 2013 1:03 pm

    @ brookly red:
    People were warned about Obama. The warning signs were all over the place, but criticism was & still is deflected by playing the race card. Supporting the Black guy is just a feel good thing , even if this particular Black guy has trashed the economy & health care.


  105. 107 | December 27, 2013 1:03 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    I’ve been wondering how to do that. Obama is a big egoist, maybe a letter writing campaign for to get his supporters to prove their loyalty. He might actually ask people to prove their love for him.

    I say it’s worth a try

    Yeah, it would fulfill the whole “hope and change” promise, wouldn’t it?


  106. 108 | December 27, 2013 1:05 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Me too.

    I am not joking, the devotion many have towards Obama is something beyond politics. It’s esoteric in nature.


  107. 109 | December 27, 2013 1:06 pm

    @ RIX:

    Its beyond Obama being the Black Guy now. It has transformed into being a quasi-esoteric divine being. It did start off as supporting the cool hip Black guy, but now it’s he’s divine and spiritual. It’s a cult, pure and simple.


  108. brookly red
    110 | December 27, 2013 1:07 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    People were warned about Obama. The warning signs were all over the place, but criticism was & still is deflected by playing the race card. Supporting the Black guy is just a feel good thing , even if this particular Black guy has trashed the economy & health care.

    when the pendulum swings the other way (& history show it always does) it’s gonna be extreme IMO


  109. The Osprey
    111 | December 27, 2013 1:08 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Anthony Weiner is planning another political comeback.

    I always figured he’d pop up again.


  110. 112 | December 27, 2013 1:09 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    :lol:

    Yeah Huma likes beavers!


  111. The Osprey
    113 | December 27, 2013 1:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Its beyond Obama being the Black Guy now. It has transformed into being a quasi-esoteric divine being. It did start off as supporting the cool hip Black guy, but now it’s he’s divine and spiritual. It’s a cult, pure and simple.

    The God Emperor of Choom.


  112. brookly red
    114 | December 27, 2013 1:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Its beyond Obama being the Black Guy now. It has transformed into being a quasi-esoteric divine being. It did start off as supporting the cool hip Black guy, but now it’s he’s divine and spiritual. It’s a cult, pure and simple.

    I am a person of faith & having said that-conflicts over divine beings are always the harshest.


  113. RIX
    115 | December 27, 2013 1:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Its beyond Obama being the Black Guy now. It has transformed into being a quasi-esoteric divine being. It did start off as supporting the cool hip Black guy, but now it’s he’s divine and spiritual. It’s a cult, pure and simple.

    Obama would not last long in the Hood as a kid. Bet that I have played more basketball with Black guys than he di.
    I never have understood the cool, hip thing about him, but that’s me.
    You’re right, he is like a demigod.


  114. 116 | December 27, 2013 1:13 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Its beyond Obama being the Black Guy now. It has transformed into being a quasi-esoteric divine being. It did start off as supporting the cool hip Black guy, but now it’s he’s divine and spiritual. It’s a cult, pure and simple.

    I agree up to a point, that whole “messiah” thing is fine until he grabs the country by the collective balls and starts squeezing.


  115. RIX
    117 | December 27, 2013 1:14 pm

    @ brookly red:
    when the pendulum swings the other way (& history show it always does) it’s gonna be extreme IMO

    I want to believe that the pendulum will swing, but a lot of damage being done.


  116. 118 | December 27, 2013 1:16 pm

    @ RIX:

    The cool hip thing comes from 2007 when he appeared on Ellen, gave interviews to Rap stations, was on Oprah and Saturday Night Live. Obama is a product of the Hipster movement, not Black America. People really need to see Obama as a 1/2 Black Hipster that has been turned into god among men.


  117. 119 | December 27, 2013 1:17 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    That’s why I would love to see him ask people to prove their love for him. How many would?


  118. brookly red
    120 | December 27, 2013 1:18 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    when the pendulum swings the other way (& history show it always does) it’s gonna be extreme IMO

    I want to believe that the pendulum will swing, but a lot of damage being done.

    hence the extreme part… nothing like an entire generation that has nothing to lose.


  119. 121 | December 27, 2013 1:21 pm

    @ RIX:

    The pendulum will swing once the Right is perceived as cool and in touch by the population. But I don’t see that happening anytime soon. Even if a figure on the Right appeared who can appeal to the Pop Culture and come across as cool, he/she will be attacked by the false flag operatives on the Right that make sure no one leaves the reservation.

    In short, I forsee Leftist dominance for at least another decade.


  120. eaglesoars
    122 | December 27, 2013 1:24 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Obama would not last long in the Hood as a kid. Bet that I have played more basketball with Black guys than he di.
    I never have understood the cool, hip thing about him, but that’s me.

    remember when he shot hoops and made something like 2 out of 22. There was a radio interview with a woman who knew him in high school. She said he was a pathological liar then


  121. eaglesoars
    123 | December 27, 2013 1:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    In short, I forsee Leftist dominance for at least another decade.

    I don’t think the left dominates now. They get a lot of media attention but dominate? If that were so, Phil Robertson would be history.

    As for the hipsters and their perceived influence -- remember the ‘beatniks’ and the hippies? Yeah, like that.


  122. 124 | December 27, 2013 1:30 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    That woman also said Obama liked to switch hit as well!

    :wink:

    I totally believe it. I have these Lesbian co-workers that swear up and down Obama is switch hitter.


  123. 125 | December 27, 2013 1:33 pm

    Oh for Christ’s sake. Obama’s popularity at the moment is the lowest since Richard Nixon prior to his resignation.


  124. 126 | December 27, 2013 1:33 pm

    This article about the Dominican Republic is total bullshit. DR is the Left’s new boogeyman becasue they didn’t like the Gay ambassador Obama appointed. SO now the Left is demonizing them. I’m planning to visit my family there in March and will get the 411 on what is really happening.


  125. RIX
    127 | December 27, 2013 1:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    The cool hip thing comes from 2007 when he appeared on Ellen, gave interviews to Rap stations, was on Oprah and Saturday Night Live. Obama is a product of the Hipster movement, not Black America. People really need to see Obama as a 1/2 Black Hipster that has been turned into god among men.

    That does sound right. I don’t see where his hip Black cred would come from.


  126. RIX
    128 | December 27, 2013 1:34 pm

    @ brookly red:
    True.


  127. eaglesoars
    129 | December 27, 2013 1:35 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I totally believe it. I have these Lesbian co-workers that swear up and down Obama is switch hitter.

    I understand that a lot of people who knew him back in the day in Chicago swear up and down he’s on the downlow. Which explains Mooch’s sour visage.


  128. RIX
    130 | December 27, 2013 1:35 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    The pendulum will swing once the Right is perceived as cool and in touch by the population. But I don’t see that happening anytime soon. Even if a figure on the Right appeared who can appeal to the Pop Culture and come across as cool, he/she will be attacked by the false flag operatives on the Right that make sure no one leaves the reservation.

    In short, I forsee Leftist dominance for at least another decade.

    yup, three more years of Obama & then eight more years of Dems, even if Hillary just serves one term.


  129. 131 | December 27, 2013 1:36 pm

    .@ eaglesoars:

    Phil Robertson is part of the Pop Culture, that is why nothing happened to him. Once you are a Pop icon, even if you are a Righty, you are untouchable.


  130. 132 | December 27, 2013 1:38 pm

    @ RIX:

    2020 is the earliest I see the Republicans even having a chance to win.


  131. RIX
    133 | December 27, 2013 1:39 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Obama would not last long in the Hood as a kid. Bet that I have played more basketball with Black guys than he di.
    I never have understood the cool, hip thing about him, but that’s me.

    remember when he shot hoops and made something like 2 out of 22. There was a radio interview with a woman who knew him in high school. She said he was a pathological liar then

    He missed uncontested layups! Who does that?
    He blamed his high school; coach as a racist for not giving him enough minutes.
    Apparently he was a ball hog & only shot low percentage outside shots.
    He didn’t like to mix it up under the boards, including rebounding. A very selfish player with very little talent.


  132. heysoos
    134 | December 27, 2013 1:39 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    2020 is the earliest I see the Republicans even having a chance to win.

    won’t matter…by then America will be ruled from the bench, not through legislation


  133. eaglesoars
    135 | December 27, 2013 1:39 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    .@ eaglesoars:
    Phil Robertson is part of the Pop Culture, that is why nothing happened to him. Once you are a Pop icon, even if you are a Righty, you are untouchable.

    once you get a theme in your head, it explains everything, doesn’t it?


  134. 136 | December 27, 2013 1:39 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I understand that a lot of people who knew him back in the day in Chicago swear up and down he’s on the downlow. Which explains Mooch’s sour visage.

    Obama does look homosexual. I am dead serious, there is something not straight about him.


  135. RIX
    137 | December 27, 2013 1:41 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    2020 is the earliest I see the Republicans even having a chance to win.

    Even that’s a long shot imo. Hillary will; probably serve one term & her vp will be running as almost an incumbent
    Pure speculation on my part, but……………….


  136. eaglesoars
    138 | December 27, 2013 1:46 pm

    did you guys catch this about Pajama Boy?

    Krupp’s parents, an accountant and an attorney, are “Chicago Machine Democrats,” according to a source.

    shocking, I know.


  137. 139 | December 27, 2013 1:47 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    The normal rules do not apply to celebrities. Look at Lindsay Lohan, how many times has she been arrested for drugs and drunken fights, yet she is still a free woman. If you and I did even 10% of what she did, we would be in jail for 20 years.

    Being a celebrity makes you American nobility now.


  138. 140 | December 27, 2013 1:49 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    You forgot the sarc tag after shocking.


  139. eaglesoars
    141 | December 27, 2013 1:50 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Obama does look homosexual. I am dead serious, there is something not straight about him.

    my gaydar is not that good. But Hubby met him once when he first came to the Senate. Hated him. A year or so ago I asked what he thought about the possibility that he could be a switch hitter. He thought for a sec and said ‘maybe, maybe. But I’ll tell you who just gives me the creeps on the sexual orientation fron -- Michelle. She is way too masculine for me”


  140. 142 | December 27, 2013 1:51 pm

    @ RIX:

    Yup, the Left have assembled the most powerful political/propaganda machine ever assembled in human history. The Soviets and Nazis have nothing on these guys.


  141. eaglesoars
    143 | December 27, 2013 1:51 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Being a celebrity makes you American nobility now.

    that’s been true since before I was born.


  142. eaglesoars
    144 | December 27, 2013 1:52 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The Soviets and Nazis have nothing on these guys

    the soviets/russians are behind a lot of it


  143. 145 | December 27, 2013 1:52 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I have also speculated that Michelle Obama is let’s say a switch hitter.


  144. 146 | December 27, 2013 1:52 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    That’s why I would love to see him ask people to prove their love for him. How many would?

    Hopefully, as many as possible!

    Seriously, though, I think an unappreciable amount.


  145. Speranza
    147 | December 27, 2013 1:53 pm

    RIX wrote:

    When Evan Thomas was with Newsweek he described Obama, “He strides above us like a god.”
    It is juvenile silliness, but also dangerous.

    I am surprised Evan Thomas does not have his own show on PMSNBC.


  146. Speranza
    148 | December 27, 2013 1:55 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Sarah Palin’s crime is that she was right about the Death Panels.
    Doesn’t matter speranza and rodan still hate her.

    I don’t hate her, I just laugh at those who worship her as some sort of Messianic figure.


  147. 149 | December 27, 2013 2:00 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I don’t hate her, I just laugh at those who worship her as some sort of Messianic figure.

    Yeah, the “messianic” schtick is unattractive on either side.


  148. eaglesoars
    150 | December 27, 2013 2:02 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    because it’s stupid. stupid is never pretty.


  149. 151 | December 27, 2013 2:02 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    I would laugh if Obama actually asked people to kill themselves for him.


  150. 152 | December 27, 2013 2:02 pm

    Sarah Palin is overexposed.


  151. 153 | December 27, 2013 2:04 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    @ Speranza:

    I really don’t understand this esoteric/spiritual stuff in politics.


  152. brookly red
    154 | December 27, 2013 2:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    I would laugh if Obama actually asked people to kill themselves for him.

    Benghazi comes to mind for some reason…


  153. 155 | December 27, 2013 2:05 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Palin let the backstabbing of the McCain campaign and the Left’s attack to lead her to a dark place. It has consumed her and now she is a very dark figure in politics.


  154. 156 | December 27, 2013 2:06 pm

    New Thread.


  155. 157 | December 27, 2013 2:07 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    Sarah Palin’s crime is that she was right about the Death Panels.
    Doesn’t matter speranza and rodan still hate her.

    I don’t hate her, I just laugh at those who worship her as some sort of Messianic figure.

    Full of shit… Or must we go back to the crap you spouted in 2007/8.


  156. 158 | December 27, 2013 2:15 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Oh for Christ’s sake. Obama’s popularity at the moment is the lowest since Richard Nixon prior to his resignation.

    Yep. I don’t see Obama dominating next year’s elections the way the Left was hoping that he would. We may or may not take back the Senate, but I think Obama can give up the notion of taking back the House.


  157. 159 | December 27, 2013 2:15 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Serious question and please don’t get mad.

    Palin sits backs and issues condemnations of any Republican she does not like. She acts like a Mob boss giving out hit orders. Why doesn’t she woman up and run for office if she thinks she’s some leader?

    Don’t you think she should put her money where her mouth is?


  158. 160 | December 27, 2013 2:21 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    She acts like a Mob boss giving out hit orders.

    Bullshit, man. Pure bullshit. She’s a political player. She has done better than anybody else in the Republican Party when it comes to choosing Senators. She hasn’t always chosen the winner, but she’s done damned good. A hell of a lot better than Rove, that i s for sure. But some (on the Right as well as the Left) hate her for coming from Alaska, and for not having attended the right schools. Some of these people will decry the “new nobility” while spouting the very words that the new nobilitty edemands of them.


  159. Speranza
    161 | December 27, 2013 2:23 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Full of shit… Or must we go back to the crap you spouted in 2007/8.

    I am not full of shit since I just had some Thai food if you can get my drift. Duh the blog was not even around in 2007/08. Why would I attack her back her in 2007 when I never even heard of her until 2008 when McCain picked her? Facts are stubborn things. I did defend her on LGF from the Left’s attacks on her in 2008, however on this blog I rightfully said in 2009 when she quit the governorship that she was finished politically as an elected figure. I don’t like her issuing threats to elected Republican politicians (such as she did to Paul Ryan recently) and I would like a candidate who can go on an interview show and not spout the term “Lame Stream Media” seven times in 5 minutes as I saw her do last year on Hannity. Let her put her money where her mouth is and run for office again.


  160. 162 | December 27, 2013 2:23 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I have to agree.


  161. eaglesoars
    163 | December 27, 2013 2:29 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I don’t like her issuing threats to elected Republican politicians (such as she did to Paul Ryan recently)

    what did she say?


  162. eaglesoars
    164 | December 27, 2013 2:32 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Let her put her money where her mouth is and run for office again.

    why should she? Been there, done that. If she thinks she can have more political influence doing what she’s doing, why should she change?


  163. eaglesoars
    165 | December 27, 2013 2:37 pm

    errands beckon. later


  164. RIX
    166 | December 27, 2013 2:50 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    When Evan Thomas was with Newsweek he described Obama, “He strides above us like a god.”
    It is juvenile silliness, but also dangerous.

    I am surprised Evan Thomas does not have his own show on PMSNBC.

    He is definitely qualified.


  165. heysoos
    167 | December 27, 2013 2:54 pm

    what exactly does Palin do that has any essential value to anyone?


  166. 168 | December 27, 2013 3:00 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Being better than Rove is a low standard. :lol:

    Palin has become a negative influence. She sits backs issues decrees against other Republicans.

    Look she has a right to do this, but she should expect rocks thrown back at her. She’s not a saint is fair game like all political figures.


  167. 169 | December 27, 2013 3:19 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Oh, she’s not immune from criticism. I just disagree with your assessment of the situation. She’s doing better about getting our message out than anybody else in the Republican Party. The reason the Left went after her so hard is because she was a threat. If Nikki Haley or Suzanna Martinez step out on the 2016 presidential election, they can expect to have the same done to them. Democrats count on being able to get the lion’s share of women voters every bit as much as they count on the black vote going nearly 100% for them. Make inroads on either of those two constituencies, and the Democrats are in big trouble. Right now, women are leaving the Democrat Party because of ObamaCare. Will they be able to stop the bleeding? We don’t have to get over 50% of them, just something over 40-435% of them to be a serious issue for the Democrats. That is because for all the talk about a gender gap between Democrats and Republicans over women, the Democrats have a bigger gender gap when it comes to men, especially white men (black men, not so much).


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