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Left-wing Israeli newspaper publishes a Warsaw Ghetto revisionist screed

by Speranza ( 140 Comments › )
Filed under Anti-semitism, History, Holocaust, Israel, Judaism, Leftist-Islamic Alliance at January 3rd, 2014 - 7:00 am

Ha’aretz, (aka Ha’Hamas) a miserable left-wing. post-Zionist newspaper (financially kept going by  European NGO’s)  recently published a revisionist screed about the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising of April, 1943.  Ha’aretz is a newspaper that publishes the vile calumnies of Amira Hass and Gideon Levy (just Google their names as see the type of Internet sites that link to them) and is dedicated to the destruction of the nation which guarantees them the free speech that they abuse. By the way, the Nazis had already decided by the Summer of 1942 to liquidate the Warsaw Ghetto and had already shipped to Treblinka over 80% of the Warsaw Ghetto population so to blame the Uprising for the deaths of 50,000 Jews (who were condemned to death any way) is absurd.

 Warsaw Ghetto: Żelazna Street (looking East) from the intersection with Chłodna Street, June 1942.

Warsaw Ghetto: Żelazna Street (looking East) from the intersection with Chłodna Street, June 1942. Photo: Wikimedia Commons

by Isi Leibler

I rubbed my eyes in disbelief this week when I read an article prominently featured on Haaretz’s website entitled “The Warsaw Ghetto Myth.” The story asserts that the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, the largest single revolt by Jews under Nazi occupation, was extremely limited in in scope and duration. The most obscene aspect of the article is the allegation that the fighters were responsible for the death of the 50,000 Jews in the ghetto who had not yet been deported.

This unquestionably distorted interpretation of events typifies the historical revisionism to which Haaretz is predisposed, not only with regard to post-Zionism but now also to Jewish history. That such an article is given prominence in an Israeli daily newspaper with a wide Internet English readership reflects adversely on us all.

The author, Eli Gat, is a Holocaust survivor who in 2009 privately published a shoddy book called Not Just Another Holocaust describing his sufferings and alluding to the revisionist nonsense incorporated in his current article. His book was completely ignored and very few people would have even heard his name until Haaretz published his article.

In his article Gat dishonors the heroes of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and diminishes its historical and symbolic significance. He insists that there were fewer than 700 ghetto fighters and that the revolt lasted a mere two days, after which time many fighters fled. Gat has the gall to repudiate the accepted view that the most significant portion of the uprising took place over the course of a month and specifically dismisses the assertion confirming this by the late Professor Israel Gutman, a respected Holocaust historian and participant in the uprising.

The most obscene aspect of “The Warsaw Ghetto Myth” is the allegation that the ghetto fighters were responsible for the death of the 50,000 Jews who remained in the ghetto and were engaged in factories producing goods for the Nazi war effort, claiming that these Jews may have survived had the revolt not taken place. He justifies the tragically mistaken and failed policies of most of the Judenrats (Nazi-appointed Jewish committees to oversee the ghetto inhabitants) who opposed resistance and were convinced that acquiescing to the Nazis demands might save them.

The unqualified fact, however, is that the Nazis were unaffected by the Warsaw Ghetto heroes’ decision to die with honor rather than be led to slaughter; their commitment to a program of complete extermination was already absolute.

This article is only one example of Haaretz’s irresponsible and biased journalism. Over recent years the newspaper has served as the primary vehicle for promoting destructive post-Zionism. It has engaged in deliberate campaigns to demonize Israel and frequently published articles promoting the BDS movement.

Indeed, its online edition now represents one of the principal sources of fodder for global hatred against the Jewish state by the hostile international media and anti-Israeli politicians. It has inflicted, and continues to inflict enormous damage on Israel.

A most blatant example of Haaretz’s self-hating approach was its vitriolic campaign against the IDF, in which it published numerous examples of alleged war crimes committed by individual soldiers. These allegations were subsequently proven to be unfounded, but only after the damage had been done: the stories were reproduced on the front pages of the major media outlets throughout the world, fermenting the hostile climate which paved the way for the notorious Goldstone Report.

There are a number of Haaretz journalists who are often indistinguishable from Palestinian propagandists.

For example, in April this year, after an incident in which a three-year-old Israeli girl was critically wounded when a car driven by her mother was struck by a stone, Amira Haas, notorious for her pro-Palestinian bias, justified the act by stating, “Throwing stones is the hereditary right and duty of someone under a foreign power.” Haaretz publisher Amos Schocken defended her, stating, “sometimes you have to fight violence with violence.”

Gideon Levy, who regularly churns out articles that quote verbatim obscene Palestinian allegations of Israeli oppression and criminality, in October of last year produced a front-page story entitled “Most Israelis Support Apartheid Regime in Israel.”

Israelis were outraged and five days later Haaretz was forced to publish an apology. But again, the damage was done and newspapers throughout the world widely disseminated this lie.

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But in recent years, the newspaper has extended its post-Zionism to promoting a revisionist narrative which undermines the core of Jewish continuity, questions links of today’s Jewish people with the biblical era, and challenges the validity of a Jewish nation.

Last year it published an article resurrecting the theory that the majority of today’s Jews are descendants of Turkic Khazars converted in the eighth century, who allegedly now represent the bulk of European Jewry. This absurd notion was employed in the past by anti-Semites and is now heavily promoted by the Arabs to “prove” that the Jews of today have no link to the biblical land of Israel.

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In its zeal to undermine the core principles of Zionism, it has done irrevocable damage. The distortion of facts, and outright lies, have aided our enemies and confused our friends, including Jews living in the Diaspora with limited understanding of Jewish or Israeli history. The Gat article demonstrates to what depths Haaretz will sink, twisting the facts – even of Holocaust history – to provoke its readers and disallow them even the smallest measure of Jewish pride.
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  1. MikeA
    1 | January 3, 2014 7:25 am

    This article, and others like it, show me that liberalism and progressivism are mental diseases. Here are israeli jews who live right next to people that want to exterminate them and they still think that their own govt is the problem. They think that if they can reason with these people, all will go away and unicorns and rainbows will break out. How do you negotiate with a group that wants you dead?

    This cognitive dissonance also appears in the majority of jews living in the US. They vote for the democratic ticket due to them believing in the soclialist / progressive mindset over what they see.


  2. eaglesoars
    2 | January 3, 2014 7:48 am

    Going out in style, indeed, my friend.

    There is one historical reference I am not familiar with, so cannot address.

    Last year it published an article resurrecting the theory that the majority of today’s Jews are descendants of Turkic Khazars converted in the eighth century, who allegedly now represent the bulk of European Jewry. This absurd notion was employed in the past by anti-Semites and is now heavily promoted by the Arabs to “prove” that the Jews of today have no link to the biblical land of Israel.

    If you can refer me to source material?…..

    As background, I would recommend A Surplus of Memory: Chronicle of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising

    There is also a movie based on the book if you prefer called ‘Uprising’.

    The bottom line is this -- Israel is a threat -- not just as a democracy, however flawed -- but as a country founded on religous tradition. Who/what does it threaten? Communists/socialists. This diatribe is birthed in the not-dead-yet Soviet Union.

    Rodan, among others I think, has been hailing Putin for supporting the Orthodox Church in Russia. I tell you again -- EVERY priest in that church is an agent of the state.

    If you don’t believe me, will you believe the head of Romanian intelligence who defected? His name is Ion Pacepa. He tells it all in Disinformation.

    The core threat to collectivism -- the erasure of the individual -- is God.

    I don’t know how else to say it.


  3. 3 | January 3, 2014 8:03 am

    MikeA wrote:

    How do you negotiate with a group that wants you dead?

    Worse, many people still hope to appease the Islamic monster. We see this concept floated by the Left every day. If we’ll just abandon Israel, quit making so many demands of civilized behavior from the Mohammedans, and so forth, they’ll kill us last.. It is disgusting. Appeasement never works for very long. You are putting off war today in favor of a greater war later. War is not the most evil thing in the world. It is much worse to surrender without ever firing a shot.


  4. 4 | January 3, 2014 8:09 am

    The increasing malleability of established history, across the board, is damned disturbing and this case particularly so. The Left, which places ideology above all, including both God and physical reality is utilizing the internet, a medium that allows one to not only personalize their entertainment and commerce, but to choose their own “truth”. The result is that the concept of history is no more fixed than the music selection on your iPhone- it can be augmented and edited with changing tastes and fashion.

    The internet has afforded us remarkable freedom, but it has also given anyone with a computer access to the “source code” of our civilization, history and culture to be modified at will…..if enough people believe the modifications, they assume the mantle of “fact”. It’s the democratization of “truth”, and its implications are as terrifying as anything I can imagine.


  5. eaglesoars
    5 | January 3, 2014 8:11 am

    MikeA wrote:

    They think that if they can reason with these people, all will go away and unicorns and rainbows will break out.

    That is not what they think. That is what they want you to BELIEVE it is what they think.


  6. Speranza
    6 | January 3, 2014 8:18 am

    Going out in style, indeed, my friend.

    There is one historical reference I am not familiar with, so cannot address.

    Last year it published an article resurrecting the theory that the majority of today’s Jews are descendants of Turkic Khazars converted in the eighth century, who allegedly now represent the bulk of European Jewry. This absurd notion was employed in the past by anti-Semites and is now heavily promoted by the Arabs to “prove” that the Jews of today have no link to the biblical land of Israel.

    If you can refer me to source material?…..
    - See more at: http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2014/01/03/left-wing-israeli-newspaper-publishes-a-warsaw-ghetto-revisionist-screed/#commentform

    Thanks I have a few more articels in pending to be published next week.

    The Khazar Myth
    Anti Semites around the world who like to play word games that “Arabs are Semites too” claim that Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of Turkic tribes from Russia.


  7. 7 | January 3, 2014 8:20 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    “First the Saturday People, then the Sunday People.” That is also the Mohammedans’ mantra.


  8. Speranza
    8 | January 3, 2014 8:20 am

    REFUTING MODERN ANTI-SEMITISM: The myth that all Jews are Khazars (from 700-1000 A.D. who never lived in Palestine)

    Refuting anti-Semitism is a seemingly thankless and daily chore in this age of the internet. The Khazar myth (that Ashkenazi “Jews” are really converted Khazars from 700-1000 A.D.) has been popping up all over recently. A good refutation is nary anywhere, but we’ll look at some new DNA evidence to trace the Ashkenazi genealogical line–blowing the Khazar myth to smithereens.

    If Helen Thomas only knew, she’d have said “Send ‘em back to Khazaria!” and all would have been well in anti-Semite land. Even better, the Khazars aren’t Semites!


  9. eaglesoars
    9 | January 3, 2014 8:23 am

    @ Speranza:

    bookmarked. I have to go back to bed. the girls got me up at 5. I’m running on fumes.


  10. Speranza
    10 | January 3, 2014 8:33 am

    Haaretz resurrects the Khazar-Jews theory


  11. 11 | January 3, 2014 8:39 am

    @ Macker:

    Yep. If we allow anti-Semitism to flourish, sooner or later they will come for us as well. I am of the opinion that it is better to do unto others what they would do unto you. In Isshinryu, we have a series of codes that we have to learn that explain the philosophy of the system. The Sixth Code of Isshinryu Karate is: The time to strike is when the opportunity presents itself. Don’t wait for the perfect moment, but strike when you can. In relation to anti-Semitism, this would be to crush them while they are small, without much support in the overall culture. You’ll note, too, that we aren’t waiting for them to attack first. If conflict is unavoidable, then strike when you can. A well-executed first strike can end an altercation almost before it begins.


  12. 12 | January 3, 2014 8:46 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Macker:

    Yep. If we allow anti-Semitism to flourish, sooner or later they will come for us as well. I am of the opinion that it is better to do unto others what they would do unto you. In Isshinryu, we have a series of codes that we have to learn that explain the philosophy of the system. The Sixth Code of Isshinryu Karate is: The time to strike is when the opportunity presents itself. Don’t wait for the perfect moment, but strike when you can. In relation to anti-Semitism, this would be to crush them while they are small, without much support in the overall culture. You’ll note, too, that we aren’t waiting for them to attack first. If conflict is unavoidable, then strike when you can. A well-executed first strike can end an altercation almost before it begins.

    Essentially, “Do unto others before they do unto you” and assume your enemy is being truthful when they talk shit….


  13. 13 | January 3, 2014 8:50 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Essentially, “Do unto others before they do unto you” and assume your enemy is being truthful when they talk shit….

    As i pointed out on another thread, liberals want us to feel for those who attack us. After all we must have done something to them.
    Well…we did. We’re Infidels.


  14. 14 | January 3, 2014 9:02 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    assume your enemy is being truthful when they talk shit….

    Exactly. When someone tells me they are planning on killing me, I don’t assume that they are being anything but truthful. Knife them before they are prepared to execute their plan, whatever it was. I don’t need to understand their grievance with me, I don’t need to sympathize with them. I need to put them down as hard as I can, as much as a warning to others as to deal with the threat that they offer. Sensei used to tell us that when dealing with a group of people, splash the blood from the loudest talking one all over his compatriots. When they’ve got their friend’s blood on them, they may reconsider that advisability of continuing on the path to conflict. If we’d put Afghanistan down as hard as possible, we wouldn’t have had the trouble that we’ve had out of Iran. The Iranians are doing what they are doing, because they are secure in the belief that both the current Administration and the Democrats in Congress have their backs. They know Obama would no more go to war with them than I’d kick my favorite cat. They are safe and secure while they are operating to get nuclear weapons. Obama may be concerned about Martha Stewart buying a handgun, but he clearly doesn’t care (or actively wants) if Iran gets nukes.


  15. 15 | January 3, 2014 9:04 am

    Macker wrote:

    After all we must have done something to them.

    We stand in the way of them dominating the world. We can’t have that, now can we? Because Islamic theocracies are such models of Enlightenment.


  16. RIX
    16 | January 3, 2014 9:06 am

    Good morning. I recall reading somewhere that the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising lasted almost as long as as it took France to surrender in WWII.


  17. 17 | January 3, 2014 9:09 am

    RIX wrote:

    Good morning. I recall reading somewhere that the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising lasted almost as long as as it took France to surrender in WWII.

    Dood! How’s that weather treating you?


  18. 18 | January 3, 2014 9:09 am

    This is kind of cool:

    X-rays and advanced photography have uncovered the true complexity of the mysterious Antikythera mechanism, a device so astonishing that its discovery is like finding a functional Buick in medieval Europe.

    In 1900, some divers found the wreck of a Roman vessel off the Greek island of Antikythera. Among the other treasures remanded to the Greek government was an unassuming corroded lump. Some time later, the lump fell apart, revealing a damaged machine of unknown purpose, with some large gears and many smaller cogs, plus a few engraved words in Greek. Early studies suggested it was some type of astronomical time-keeping device – researcher Derek J. de Solla Price laid the groundwork by establishing initial tooth counts and suggesting that the device followed the Metonic cycle, a 235-month pattern commonly used to predict eclipses in the ancient world.

    Advanced Imaging Reveals a Computer 1,500 Years Ahead of Its Time
    SExpand

    The full function and beauty of the Antikythera device remained hidden until recent studies subjected it to more advanced imaging techniques. First, it was photographed using a technique that exposed the surfaces to varying lighting patterns. This created different levels of contrast that allowed the researchers to read far more of the inscribed Greek text than was previously possible. Then, x-ray imaging was used to create full 3-D computer models of the mechanism, which revealed for the first time some of the more complex and detailed gear interactions. The Greek National Archaeological Museum’s discovery of some boxes filled with 82 additional mechanism fragments added new information as well.

    The findings, published in Nature, are probably best described as “mind blowing.” Devices with this level of complexity were not seen again for almost 1,500 years, and the Antikythera mechanism’s compactness actually bests the later designs. Probably built around 150 B.C., the Antikythera mechanism can perform a number of functions just by turning a crank on the side.

    I don’t know that this is a pointer to a vanished high-tech civilization, but it is interesting that they would have developed something like this. It implies a working knowledge of nature that is far more precise than we usually credit the Greeks with having.


  19. 19 | January 3, 2014 9:10 am

    @ RIX:

    And they did it with very limited weapons. When you realize that you are going to die no matter what, you can become capable of doing things you could have never imagined.


  20. 20 | January 3, 2014 9:11 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    When you’re not so concerned about the survival of Western civilization, it relieves one of a great many responsibilities for its defense.


  21. RIX
    21 | January 3, 2014 9:12 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Good morning. I recall reading somewhere that the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising lasted almost as long as as it took France to surrender in WWII.

    Dood! How’s that weather treating you?

    Hey Mac, It’s brutal. Lots of snow & frigid.No fun at all.


  22. 22 | January 3, 2014 9:13 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Morning!

    and assume your enemy is being truthful when they talk shit…

    Yup, this is absolute truth.


  23. RIX
    23 | January 3, 2014 9:13 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    And they did it with very limited weapons. When you realize that you are going to die no matter what, you can become capable of doing things you could have never imagined.

    It was an epic effort. You have it, they had nothing to lose.


  24. 24 | January 3, 2014 9:15 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I don’t know that this is a pointer to a vanished high-tech civilization

    It’s too early for me to get started on this subject! :wink:


  25. 25 | January 3, 2014 9:16 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    They observed the cycles and figured out how to make a mechanical device to predict them. Just because they didn’t have iPhones and laptops doesn’t mean they were any less intelligent than we are.

    BTW, some group built one of those things out of Legos, and made the coolest Lego model ever. There’s a video out there on it, with an explanation of which gear trains are performing which bit of the number crunching.


  26. 26 | January 3, 2014 9:16 am

    @ MacDuff:

    True. The Left doesn’t feel that Western Civilization has anything worth defending. Instapundit refers to it a oikophobia, fear of the familiar. It isn’t really fear so much as hatred, though. Everything that is good or wholesome in our society is loathed by these people, and the celebrate anything that brings that civilization down. I am surprised that we haven’t heard more demands for “recognizing” pedophiles as a “legitimate” sexual orientation. They do give passes to people like Roman Polanski who raped a child. They just don’t quite dare come out in support of pedophilia as a sexual “choice”. Or society is not so decadent as to be willing to accept that.


  27. 27 | January 3, 2014 9:17 am

    @ Rodan:

    I figured you’d like that.


  28. 28 | January 3, 2014 9:20 am

    @ Speranza:

    That is the lie that never dies.


  29. 29 | January 3, 2014 9:21 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    I saw a documentary on this. Using the Antikythera mechanism as a template one person managed to rebuild it using similar tools and materials in use during that era. It’s really a complex device for predicting eclipses, types of eclipses and planetary positions.

    It not only shows their technical skills but astronomical knowledge and ability to use it to predict future events.


  30. RIX
    30 | January 3, 2014 9:24 am

    http://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/418913445849755648/photo/1
    somebody at Twitchy called this tenderizing, not a belly rub.,


  31. 31 | January 3, 2014 9:25 am

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    It not only shows their technical skills but astronomical knowledge and ability to use it to predict future events.

    I think it is really cool. It shows that the ancients weren’t quite as backward as we usually think of them being. I’ve done a little study on the Greeks, and they had a very advanced culture. They weren’t modern Jeffersonian Democracies, but they did a pretty good job of balancing the individual against the State. Hoplites are the first example of free citizens that we really have. Everyone was expected to bear arms in defense of the State (city-state, actually). Everyone was expected to be armed. That is the foundation of a free society.


  32. Bumr50
    32 | January 3, 2014 9:26 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I’ve seen that thing on TV.

    Pretty amazing stuff.

    ATLANTEANS!!


  33. 33 | January 3, 2014 9:27 am

    @ PaladinPhil:

    I see Toronto Mayor Ford is planning on running for re-election. Despite his personal antics, I read he has a solid record.


  34. RIX
    34 | January 3, 2014 9:27 am

    http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/01/03/Report-Kim-Jong-Un-Killed-His-Uncle-by-Feeding-Him-to-Starving-Dogs
    I think that maybe Dennis Rodman needs a new friend.


  35. 35 | January 3, 2014 9:27 am

    @ RIX:

    It is Barack Obama trying to act like a human. He doesn’t do that very well or very often…


  36. 36 | January 3, 2014 9:28 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    That changed with the Persian invasions, the Peloponnesian war and the Rise of Macedon.


  37. 37 | January 3, 2014 9:29 am

    @ Bumr50:

    ATLANTEANS!!

    You never know.


  38. 38 | January 3, 2014 9:29 am

    @ RIX:

    Maybe Dennis Rodman likes people who feed their blood relatives to starving dogs. He is a pretty creepy son of a bitch, himself.


  39. 39 | January 3, 2014 9:31 am

    @ Rodan:
    Yeah, and looking at the candidates so far I will be voting for him again. Personal problems are personal problems. Also, him getting a second term will make all the downtown leftist elitist heads explode.


  40. 40 | January 3, 2014 9:32 am

    @ Rodan:

    Yeah, I’ve got a college course on DVD on the Peloponnesian War. It is pretty fascinating. It is interesting historically how you have powers rise and their opposition rise, and them eventually duel to the death in some manner or another. The Cold War was the same old pattern, just on a global scale. Now we have China rising, and the Golden Age of America ending. I think things will get interesting within our lifetimes. There’s not much that we as individuals can do about it, but it is fascinating to watch.


  41. 42 | January 3, 2014 9:40 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Now we have China rising, and the Golden Age of America ending. I think things will get interesting within our lifetimes. There’s not much that we as individuals can do about it, but it is fascinating to watch. --

    Another wildcard is the resurrection of Czarist Russia and the revival of the Orthodox Church in that nation. The Shia-Sunni blood feud is interesting.

    Personally, I am convinced the US is going to collapse into warring states and factions like china after the fall of the Han or Tang dynasties. The 2 parties have done divide and conquer tactics against the populations and that will come home to roost. Many people no longer believe in the political system. Once that happens, they become open to alternatives.


  42. Speranza
    43 | January 3, 2014 9:40 am

    Rodan wrote:

    That is the lie that never dies.

    And it is gaining traction amongst anti-Semites throughout the world.


  43. 44 | January 3, 2014 9:41 am

    @ Rodan:

    Yeah, I saw that yesterday. I don’t think you’d see a “compassionate release” of someone who was right-wing if they did something like that. Of course, it is the Left that is always supporting terrorists, not the Right. You didn’t see right-wingers taking up for Eric Rudolph when he was on the run, let alone passing messages from him and to him when he was (and is) in jail. The Left embrace their crazies. I think Obama would pardon KSM if he dared. He just knows there’d be hell to pay if he did it.


  44. 45 | January 3, 2014 9:43 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ PaladinPhil:

    I see Toronto Mayor Ford is planning on running for re-election. Despite his personal antics, I read he has a solid record.

    Maybe if we Americans would quit confusing pastors with politicians, we’d get a better class of leader. Ford may well need up killing himself with his abuse, but unless one has underwritten his life insurance policy, it’s not one’s concern- his job performance is.


  45. RIX
    46 | January 3, 2014 9:46 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    It is Barack Obama trying to act like a human. He doesn’t do that very well or very often…

    Yup, he mimes normal behavior.


  46. RIX
    47 | January 3, 2014 9:48 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ RIX:
    @ Bumr50:
    @ MacDuff:

    Judge Orders ‘Compassionate Release’ Of Jailed Former Civil Rights Lawyer

    Saw that coming.


  47. 48 | January 3, 2014 9:48 am

    @ MacDuff:

    He’s the best mayor Toronto has had. It sickened me to see “Conservatives’ jump on the bashing Ford bandwagon. He’s held the line on spending and taxes. But becasue he drinks and dabbles in drugs, he has been condemned.

    I’m really sick of the esoteric nature of American political. The Left expects some Messianic savior and part of the Right wants Holy men/Prophets from God types. Political esotericism is dangerous.


  48. 49 | January 3, 2014 9:50 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Left embrace their crazies.

    They control the pop culture and the media. It enables them to make their crazies into heroes. Look at the Free Mumia and Free Jahar movements.


  49. 50 | January 3, 2014 9:50 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ RIX:
    @ Bumr50:
    @ MacDuff:

    Judge Orders ‘Compassionate Release’ Of Jailed Former Civil Rights Lawyer

    “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars’s and to God the things that are God’s”. She’s about to settle up with God (or, rather, God is about to settle up with her), but she still owes Caesar…..


  50. 51 | January 3, 2014 9:52 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Yup, she’s a terror enabler.


  51. RIX
    52 | January 3, 2014 9:56 am

    The current temperature is -8 degrees,. That’s not factoring the windchill.
    Chicago is suffering from Global Warming!


  52. 53 | January 3, 2014 9:56 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Many people no longer believe in the political system.

    It is as I’ve said. The government is losing the consent of the people. That can never turn out well. When I was a kid I used to lament that I wasn’t born early enough to fight in the Civil War, but now that I am older I don’t relish the possibility of another civil war. Right now, IMHO, we are already fighting a Cold Civil War. We are more divided as country than we have been since the Civil War. The division isn’t on slavery per se, but on the individual’s position vis the State. I don’t really know what will happen, but I know that the situation that we have now can’t last long-term. We are borrowing over 5% of our GDP every year, and we are blowing that money essentially on nonsense. It is as gone (and as productive) as if we’d blown the money on coke and whores. But the plebeians are satisfied with their bread and circuses. When we say that things don’t have to be this way, a majority of Americans find where we are acceptable. Long-term, though, what we have now is going to collapse. I firmly believe that that is the intent of the Democrats. They think that they can ride the chaos into a position of totalitarian dictatorship. They may be right, but I think it probably won’t go the way that they hope it will.


  53. RIX
    54 | January 3, 2014 9:58 am

    @ MacDuff:
    I am always blown away by how the Left is so into Islam, especially Jihadis.
    These people would rather execute Liberals, but they can use them.


  54. 55 | January 3, 2014 10:01 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    What pisses me off I may well be to old to fight in a new civil war. Although I will joining a movement/faction that fits my ideology. The next Civil War will not be 2 sides, it will be multiple sides going at it. America may never be put back together for decades.

    They think that they can ride the chaos into a position of totalitarian dictatorship. They may be right, but I think it probably won’t go the way that they hope it will.

    You might end up with a Franco/Pinochet/Putin type in charge. If that happens, the Left and some of the Right would be screwed.


  55. 56 | January 3, 2014 10:02 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    I am always blown away by how the Left is so into Islam, especially Jihadis.
    These people would rather execute Liberals, but they can use them.

    The Left views Islam as a 3rd World Liberation force. Hence they support it.


  56. 57 | January 3, 2014 10:02 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    I am always blown away by how the Left is so into Islam, especially Jihadis.
    These people would rather execute Liberals, but they can use them.

    Terrorism works.


  57. 58 | January 3, 2014 10:05 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Plus the Left loves Islam. heck some on the Right love Islam as well.


  58. 59 | January 3, 2014 10:09 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Look at the Free Mumia and Free Jahar movements.

    But both of these things are really very small. If you asked the average American about Mumia, they wouldn’t know who you were talking about. The hard-left passionately believes in these things, but the hard-Left is a smaller minority than the hard right (to the extent that we have a “hard right”; the Tea Party is not extremist in any way, shape, form, or fashion). They are just predominantly in positions of authority, either in the government directly or in academia and entertainment. This makes them seem more prolific than they actually are. And the pop culture is changing around them. Look at Phil Robertson’s popularity. It isn’t just the “hard right” that likes the man. He and his family speak to a large segment of the population, and they have the ratings to prove it. I’ve been expecting something like this. Civilization runs in cycles, and we have been in a cycle where the Left is ascendant. That may be about to change.


  59. RIX
    60 | January 3, 2014 10:11 am

    Rodan wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    I am always blown away by how the Left is so into Islam, especially Jihadis.
    These people would rather execute Liberals, but they can use them.

    The Left views Islam as a 3rd World Liberation force. Hence they support it.

    And that’s the commonality, they both disdain the West.


  60. Bumr50
  61. RIX
    62 | January 3, 2014 10:14 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    I am always blown away by how the Left is so into Islam, especially Jihadis.
    These people would rather execute Liberals, but they can use them.

    Terrorism works.

    I think that the Left is impressed with the boldness of the Jihadis.
    Lefties like really safe protesting with Constitutional protection.
    Jihadis on the other hand are willing to blow themselves up & lefties get orgasmic.


  62. 63 | January 3, 2014 10:17 am

    Rodan wrote:

    You might end up with a Franco/Pinochet/Putin type in charge. If that happens, the Left and some of the Right would be screwed.

    Any way you cut it, it is the death of our Constitutional Republic. My slender hope is that when the dust-up comes, the saner States break with the insane States, and lets them go on their own way, while we cling to a Constitutional Republic. Kind of like how the Roman Empire was split in half. The Big Government, high debt States can do as they please, but we go our own way without them. I don’t know what the odds of that happening are. We are a very divided nation, but that divide doesn’t mesh up on regional boundaries the way it did for the first Civil War. Of course, even then the boundaries weren’t as clear cut as they make them out to be when they teach history in school (to the extent that they even teach history in school). It’ll be interesting. And you are really never too old to fight. There were people in their 80s that signed up for both Confederate forces and Union forces. These weren’t the people that they put in the line on the battlefield, but they did contribute to the overall effort. If the flag goes up, we may be doing the same thing. I am working hard to get my physical health back. I am so much better than I was three years ago, but I want to be better still. I know I’ll never be as strong as I was when I was 25, but my cardio now is stronger than it was then. It all requires effort. And time. I never seem to have the time I need, but I reckon most Americans are like that.


  63. 64 | January 3, 2014 10:18 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I’ve been expecting something like this. Civilization runs in cycles, and we have been in a cycle where the Left is ascendant. That may be about to change.

    I think you’re right. The unveiled Socialism/Communism emanating from the Left, I believe, isn’t triumphalism, it’s the throes of dormancy. When one is facing one’s extinction (albeit temporary), one doesn’t become more moderate, one becomes more strident.


  64. 65 | January 3, 2014 10:19 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Right is very fractured at this moment. To be honest, other than agreeing to a Free Market, Libertarians and Conservatives have nothing in common. Conservatives view Libertarians as Anarchists and Libertarian view Conservatives as Collectivists.

    There are 2 Rightwings in America at the moment.


  65. 66 | January 3, 2014 10:20 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Where’s heysoos?

    FORMER ‘AMERICAN IDOL’ SINGER REPORTEDLY CONSIDERING RUN FOR CONGRESS

    A perfect storm of inanity.


  66. 67 | January 3, 2014 10:25 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I hope it does not come to pass, becasue it will get very ugly.


  67. 68 | January 3, 2014 10:28 am

    @ MacDuff:
    @ Bumr50:

    This guy may win, don’t laugh.


  68. Bumr50
    69 | January 3, 2014 10:32 am

    @ Rodan:

    Nobody’s laughing as far as I can tell.

    N.Carolina might be a tough sell, though.


  69. 70 | January 3, 2014 10:35 am

    Getting back on subject Haaretz is a nasty website.


  70. 71 | January 3, 2014 10:36 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Right is very fractured at this moment. To be honest, other than agreeing to a Free Market, Libertarians and Conservatives have nothing in common. Conservatives view Libertarians as Anarchists and Libertarian view Conservatives as Collectivists.

    There are 2 Rightwings in America at the moment.

    The controlling interest in America doesn’t lie in “wings”, Left or Right. Yeah, the Right-of-center is, shall we say, less than unified, but the Left is actively chasing the middle away. I’m no pollyanna but, by simple math, I like our chances. The Left finds themselves strapped to ObamaCare like Ahab to Moby Dick and those fractures will become more obvious as time goes by.


  71. 72 | January 3, 2014 10:38 am

    @ Rodan:

    Libertarians aren’t a serious party. I know you wish that they were, but there simply aren’t enough of them. If they split off from the Republican Party, all they are really doing is guaranteeing that the Democrats win. That is what happened in the Virginia governor’s race. There, we know that the “Libertarian” candidate was a false flag designed just to split the conservative vote and get McAuliffe elected. It worked. Libertarian’s main issues (drugs, gambling, and prostitution) aren’t selling to the bulk of the American people, and I don’t believe that there is any real intent from the Libertarians of selling them. Libertarians don’t elect Congressmen. The best that they can do is find a champion that works inside the Republican Party to further some of their goals (think Rand Paul). Going out on their own simply doesn’t sell to enough people.


  72. Bumr50
    73 | January 3, 2014 10:42 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I don’t think that anyone here is a capital “L,” Libertarian Party member.


  73. 74 | January 3, 2014 10:44 am

    Rodan wrote:

    quote

    See my No. 4. The Internet is both our savior as well as our agent of doom, our past is actively being erased and modified and Haaretz is less the problem than a symptom.

    We’re democratizing history and once that happens, we’re done.


  74. coldwarrior
    75 | January 3, 2014 10:45 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    y slender hope is that when the dust-up comes, the saner States break with the insane States, and lets them go on their own way, while we cling to a Constitutional Republic

    i can think of several states that would gladly split, wetsern ny state is conservative, most of cali is the same way, philly county can split off of PA and join norther jersey…


  75. 76 | January 3, 2014 10:46 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Yeah, the Right-of-center is, shall we say, less than unified, but the Left is actively chasing the middle away.

    Exactly. And there is some room in the Republican Party to maneuver. Yes, the Establishment will be trying to cut away at your foundations. They will fight you much harder than they fight the Democrats (to the extent that they fight the Democrats at all), but you can do it. We have people like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul up there. They aren’t in leadership positions yet, but they are the most visible leaders that we have. McConnell comes off looking very bad compared to a Cruz or Paul. The problem is that I don’t think we have the time to make the changes that we need to make, nor do I think the electorate will be willing to make the sacrifices it takes to pull us out of this tailspin. Ryan’s budget never came close to cutting spending back to 1998 levels, and his budget (the original one) was considered “too radical” to pass. we don’t have the stomach to really go after the deficit spending that we need to go after. We aren’t even hearing people talk about that.


  76. coldwarrior
    77 | January 3, 2014 10:46 am

    i’m libertarian ,not Libertarian.


  77. 78 | January 3, 2014 10:49 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    I don’t think that anyone here is a capital “L,” Libertarian Party member.

    I think the Communist Party probably has more active members than the Libertarian Party.


  78. 79 | January 3, 2014 10:51 am

    Personally, I don’t think this “fractured party” lament is anything new, it’s just the nature of American politics.


  79. 80 | January 3, 2014 10:55 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    It may happen in some regions, but in others Organized political militias will take over regions. Many will have foreign sponsors. It will make Bosnia, Syria and the Congo look like a weekend at Hawaii.


  80. 81 | January 3, 2014 10:58 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I am taking about the Libertarian movement. Even in the GOP Libertarians are very numerous. But in all honesty, I have given up on politics. Both parties are anti-American and serve foreign interests. They pit Americans against each other and love to create boogeymen. Most people have had it with both parties and have had it with Conservatives and Progressives equally.

    I am sitting out every election, until I have a reason to vote. Democrat or Republican make no difference to me at this point. They are both different versions of Totalitarianism.


  81. 82 | January 3, 2014 11:06 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:

    It may happen in some regions, but in others Organized political militias will take over regions. Many will have foreign sponsors. It will make Bosnia, Syria and the Congo look like a weekend at Hawaii.

    (This morning, the role of Pollyanna will be played by MacDuff)

    I don’t see it, man. At the end of the day, that which unites us is greater than that which divides us. This ain’t an episode of “Revolution”, and won’t be (barring an unforeseen cataclysm)


  82. 83 | January 3, 2014 11:09 am

    @ MacDuff:

    This ain’t an episode of “Revolution”,

    That’s a great show, you watch it also?


  83. 84 | January 3, 2014 11:10 am

    Rodan wrote:

    I am sitting out every election, until I have a reason to vote. Democrat or Republican make no difference to me at this point. They are both different versions of Totalitarianism.

    Yeah, that’ll work. So, what happens if the Right-of-center gets its shit together and unites behind someone with actual leadership skills? Do you then jump aboard the wagon?


  84. RIX
    85 | January 3, 2014 11:11 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Personally, I don’t think this “fractured party” lament is anything new, it’s just the nature of American politics.

    It looks like the Republican Party may just be going through a Reformation.
    There is always resistance & in this case the establishment wing is resisting the
    libertarian wing.


  85. 86 | January 3, 2014 11:14 am

    @ MacDuff:

    I’m fine with her being released actually -- as long as it’s in downtown Damascus.


  86. 87 | January 3, 2014 11:15 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    This ain’t an episode of “Revolution”,

    That’s a great show, you watch it also?

    Yeah, I love the shift in the characters this past season. I’m actually a junkie for that post-apocolyptic stuff, maybe because it makes reality seem so much better. :D

    Given the unlikely scenario of the show, though, I think that’s precisely how people would behave. The veneer of civilization is, indeed, thin.


  87. 88 | January 3, 2014 11:15 am

    @ RIX:

    There is always resistance & in this case the establishment wing is resisting the
    libertarian wing.

    The Conservative Base is resisting the Libertarian Wing also.


  88. RIX
    89 | January 3, 2014 11:16 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    There is always resistance & in this case the establishment wing is resisting the
    libertarian wing.

    The Conservative Base is resisting the Libertarian Wing also.

    Right, people never cede power easily.


  89. 90 | January 3, 2014 11:17 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    I’m fine with her being released actually — as long as it’s in downtown Damascus.

    In which case, she will be have to make a run for the East Ghouta, since that is where Nusra/al-Qaeda is. The Hezzies and Iranians will kill her. Although I think that is your goal! :evil: :lol:


  90. 91 | January 3, 2014 11:18 am

    @ MacDuff:

    The show starts again next week. It’s funny to see how Miles and Monroe, no matter how much they “hate” each other end up having each other’s backs.


  91. 92 | January 3, 2014 11:18 am

    /*@ Bumr50:

    Oh, I’m not speaking of anybody in specific. Just my observation about where the Libertarians as a whole are seeming to be going.


  92. 93 | January 3, 2014 11:18 am

    @ Rodan:
    @ RIX:

    There’s never been a time when man hasn’t resisted social, political or technological change, and resisted it mightily.


  93. 94 | January 3, 2014 11:19 am

    @ MacDuff:

    I’ll believe it when I see it.


  94. 95 | January 3, 2014 11:21 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    The show starts again next week. It’s funny to see how Miles and Monroe, no matter how much they “hate” each other end up having each other’s backs.

    Yeah, the relationship between Miles and Monroe makes the show. I thought Monroe was gone forever until they brought him back. He’s one crazy sombitch, but one that you kinda want on your side.


  95. 96 | January 3, 2014 11:21 am

    @ Rodan:

    [Looking a ceiling] Who, me????


  96. 97 | January 3, 2014 11:24 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    I’ll believe it when I see it.

    Well, this is a subject on which we’ll just have to disagree……


  97. 98 | January 3, 2014 11:24 am

    @ MacDuff:

    The death of Monroe’s parents really effected him. Miles is his support system. Now that he’s not a leader anymore, Monroe seems to be reverting back to his old self. But he definitely needs Monroe to be grounded. In many ways, they both need each other.

    I love how Miles Niece has become a bad ass!


  98. 99 | January 3, 2014 11:25 am

    @ MacDuff:

    I’m not disagreeing, just I want to see it. You are the voice of sanity around here and I don’t really disagree with you.


  99. 100 | January 3, 2014 11:25 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    [Looking a ceiling] Who, me????

    :lol:

    Nah, you would never do that!


  100. 101 | January 3, 2014 11:26 am

    @ MacDuff:
    @ Carolina Girl:

    Did you 2 see my Special Report on AQ now threatening Iran?


  101. 102 | January 3, 2014 11:27 am

    Rodan wrote:

    I love how Miles Niece has become a bad ass!

    Yeah, she’s my kind of woman!


  102. 103 | January 3, 2014 11:28 am

    @ Rodan:

    I wouldn’t make that generalization just yet. There are hosts like Mark Levin, who has considerable conservative cred, who speaks well of certain Libertarian goals -- especially the fiscal.

    The real problem with Libertarianism is that it when most people think of it, they go to the popular notions of drug legalization, open borders, you get the drill. I think if the fiscal ideals of the Libertarian party can get center stage and absorbed, you will see less reisistance. But of course the MSM, etc., with the help of the Rove-based RINOs will do their best to keep the less mainstream beliefs front and center.

    I think Rand Paul could do well in integrating the conservative base with certain libertarian beliefs. He’d be a great candidate, for my money. I think the left and the RINO establishment -- the left because they know if he’s the candidate, he’s not going to roll over and play dead on the Dem nominee’s failures [read Hillary] and the RINO’s because he’ll ruin their hopes for Christy.


  103. 104 | January 3, 2014 11:29 am

    @ Rodan:

    Legalizing pot really isn’t on most people’s radar. Too, many people view Iran’s getting atomic bombs with considerable alarm. Libertarians foreign policy is a shambles. Rand Paul is making some changes, but Rand Paul isn’t really a Libertarian. He just agrees with some of the Libertarian positions. I do as well, but I am not agitating for the Libertarians. They have a very wrong set of priorities. Like I said, legalizing pot isn’t on most people’s radar. Legalizing prostitution even less than that. If they want to sell their vision of government, they need to actually sell it. I don’t see that going on with them at all.


  104. 105 | January 3, 2014 11:31 am

    @ Rodan:

    Not yet but I’ll take a look at it. I sent you an email at work -- are you there or home? (Mostly to bitch about the troll at D0D because I was in a cranky mood yesterday).

    My other thought to help out around here is a “Tilting at Windmills” thread -- maybe for Thursdays. I’ll write for my blog and posty the linky. I really should do some of that -- you know, since I PAY for the damn thing and all.


  105. 106 | January 3, 2014 11:32 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I agree on Rand Paul. I was skeptical at first, but he’s doing well in building national recognition for himself.


  106. 107 | January 3, 2014 11:37 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    With regards to drugs, Pot legalization is popular with the public and many want to change our drug laws. It’s Conservatives who are against Pot legalization. How can you be for small government when you want to throw pot smokers in jail? I’m not saying you are of this belief ( I know you are not :-) ), but I saw all over the web Conservatives attacks Pot legalization in Colorado. They very same people that claim they are freedom are against it. It smacks of hypocrisy and reveals the totalitarian nature of many Conservatives.

    This is a popular issue and one the Right should get in front of. If not, once again the Right will be perceived as scolds and the bad guys.


  107. 108 | January 3, 2014 11:37 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    He has to get some distance between himself and his crazy father. He needs more time in the Senate to form his own track record before he can run for President. I think he’d make a credible candidate, but probably not for 2016. I like everything I’ve seen out of him. He just needs to keep up the good work. There are precious few of the Senators that I can say that of, so he is distinguishing himself well. I agree with Scott Walker that our next presidential candidate should be a governor. We’ll see who it is, though. The Establishment are all set up to force Christie on us, and I won’t vote for Christie. He really isn’t Presidential material.


  108. 109 | January 3, 2014 11:40 am

    @ Rodan:

    Pot legalization isn’t on most people’s radar. They simply do not care one way or another. The Libertarians have made it their hill to die on, and die on it they shall. We’ll see how the experiment in Colorado and Washington goes. I am personally for pot (and all drugs) being legal, but there is a hard resistance to it in our culture. But I recognize that it isn’t an issue that is going to move the bulk of the voters.


  109. 110 | January 3, 2014 11:40 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I see it now, I was home already. I am at work now. I will respond.@


  110. Bumr50
    111 | January 3, 2014 11:41 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Rodan:

    There is a lot of pushback in the comments sections of those very same pieces. I think there are a lot more right-leaning folks against the drug war and for decriminalization than you might think.

    At the very least it’s split fifty-fifty NOT including libtrolls.


  111. 112 | January 3, 2014 11:44 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Legalizing pot really isn’t on most people’s radar.

    Have you seen the polls? Most people support legalization. If the Right does not jump on this, the Left does. Why not push an issue for once and look like the heroes? Are you not tired of being perceived as scolds and evil? Would it not be a relief for once to appear as the good guys?

    Again, by being against Pot Legalization, Conservatives are showing their limited government talk is just bullshit. I know you support legalization, hence I don’t get why you are defending this Police State loving Conservatives. You are not one of them, you believe in individual freedom.


  112. darkwords
    113 | January 3, 2014 11:48 am

    @ 1 MikeA:
    i agree it is a mental illness. Mostly caused by a lack of touch with reality. By logical and moral extension then Eli Gat is personally responsible for all the deaths in the Middle East since WWII. He could have just offed himself and saved the world a lot of misery by not fighting for it.


  113. 114 | January 3, 2014 11:48 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Rodan:
    There is a lot of pushback in the comments sections of those very same pieces. I think there are a lot more right-leaning folks against the drug war and for decriminalization than you might think.
    At the very least it’s split fifty-fifty NOT including libtrolls.

    Yes, but the comments reveal how fake these Conservatives who claim they are for small government. They are just Collectivists like the Left.

    Honestly, I don’t care if a segment the Right wants to cede another issue to the Left. They are doing the bidding of their masters to play strawman. I am 100% convinced the American political system is an act. Democrats play the good guy role and Republicans play the bad guy role. It’s a scripted act hence why the Left and Conservative Right both hate the Libertarian Right. We are not part of this scripted act.


  114. 115 | January 3, 2014 11:48 am

    @ Rodan:

    We’ve had semi-legalization (medicinal) in California for about 10 years now and frankly, it’s created a lot of problems in neighborhoods where the “dispensaries” are located.

    Personally, if they can come up with a breathalyzer test for it so that the dicks who drive under the influence can be handled like DUI, I’m fine with it -- as long as it’s taxed on a par with cigarettes and alcohol. It’s interesting, but when I hear people talk about how they wish it was legal, I always ask them are they going to be happy paying TAXES on it -- it comes as a complete surprise to them.

    Also, I don’t think the pot legalization is the big stumbling block here. Libertarians, according to media, want the harder drugs -- heroin, cocaine -- legalized as well.


  115. darkwords
    116 | January 3, 2014 11:54 am

    @ 30 RIX: lol that should be repeated loud and often. How many family dogs has Obama had?


  116. darkwords
    117 | January 3, 2014 11:54 am

    @ 32 Bumr50: I am a believer if they uncover a working prototype for a tardis.


  117. 118 | January 3, 2014 11:58 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I’m actually for cutting taxes on Tobacco and Alcohol. High taxes create a black market, hence undoing legalization. I get how the media distorts Libertarians positions on drugs, but polls show the public supports Pot legalization. By opposing it, Conservatives will appear as the bad guys again. If if Conservatives don’t like weed, I don’t get why they don’t jump in front of this issue and support legalization. It will make them credible on their small government rhetoric.


  118. darkwords
    119 | January 3, 2014 12:00 pm

    @ 38 Iron Fist: looking at Rodman’s history I would say he has a taste for perversion and for Asian women. And he found he can only fulfill that taste in NORK. Presumptuous on my part and maybe a big disservice to Rodman in my ignorance. The only other connection would be money.

    But Korea does have a penchant for sending charismatic people to the US to gain power. Maybe Rodman was a target they coopted for legitimacy. I am sure they use him to justify starving and killing millions.


  119. 120 | January 3, 2014 12:02 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Libertarians, according to media, want the harder drugs — heroin, cocaine — legalized as well.

    Libertarians want all drugs legal. I happen to agree with that, but they aren’t selling it. They do themselves no favors by supporting Ron Paul the way they do. That just gets them marked as kooks. Any arguements that they have simply are ignored. If they want pot legalized, they need to do it on a state by state basis. They aren’t going to get a pot amendment through the Congress.


  120. darkwords
    121 | January 3, 2014 12:02 pm

    @ 61 Bumr50: In New Mexico. Will require all residents to participate in AI trials.


  121. brookly red
    122 | January 3, 2014 12:02 pm

    @ Rodan:

    the tobacco black market in NYC is huge and starting to become violent as the “suppliers” compete for market share…


  122. darkwords
    123 | January 3, 2014 12:04 pm

    @ 86 Carolina Girl: You have critical thinking skills.


  123. 124 | January 3, 2014 12:05 pm

    New Thread.


  124. 125 | January 3, 2014 12:06 pm

    @ brookly red:

    They’ve caught terrorist organizations using tax evasion on cigarettes as a fund-raising tool. All high taxes do is create a black market. I have no doubt that some f the politicians who push that line are getting money (maybe in the form of campaign contributions) from the organized crime that runs this kind of thing.


  125. darkwords
    126 | January 3, 2014 12:06 pm

    @ 102 MacDuff: I liked the hot latina from last season. Puerto Rican?


  126. 127 | January 3, 2014 12:07 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    If they want pot legalized, they need to do it on a state by state basis.

    That is the plan and guess who opposes Pot Legalization state by state? Conservatives, who claim they are for small government and individual liberty.


  127. 128 | January 3, 2014 12:07 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 102 MacDuff: I liked the hot latina from last season. Puerto Rican?

    Mexican.


  128. 129 | January 3, 2014 12:08 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    the tobacco black market in NYC is huge and starting to become violent as the “suppliers” compete for market share…

    Bingo, proves my point.


  129. darkwords
    130 | January 3, 2014 12:08 pm

    @ 107 Rodan: I agree the GoP should just come out in favor of pot legalization. They will be the brunt of jokes for awhile. But people will remember they were cool. The GoP needs some national street cred. They have zero right now.


  130. 131 | January 3, 2014 12:09 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I don’t, and I’ll explain why. The addictive properties of the harder drugs make it next to impossible for addicts to hold on to gainful employment and would be inelligible for many jobs; hence, even if legal, they would need to find a way to finance a habit and I see that leading to higher crime rates. Even if you can waltz into CVS and pick up a week’s worth of junk, you still have to find a way to pay for it.

    Also, dependence on these drugs increases exponentially -- you need more and more to satisfy the craving.


  131. 132 | January 3, 2014 12:11 pm

    @ darkwords:

    The GoP needs some national street cred. They have zero right now. -

    Bingo and that is my point. The GOP for once should get in front of an issue and own it as theirs. Right now, they had no credibility with me and many others when they claim they are for limited government while wanting to jail pot smokers.


  132. darkwords
    133 | January 3, 2014 12:12 pm

    @ 120 Iron Fist: I think if we want to be pro choice on guns we have to be pro choice on all things including abortion. Trust people to choose wisely. Educate people to choose wisely. Regulate the the 10 percent of bad choosers that are criminal in their actions. America was built on that type of choice.


  133. darkwords
    134 | January 3, 2014 12:16 pm

    @ 131 Carolina Girl: The addiction lead in drug in Seattle is budweiser beer. Young immigrant from Montana here to look for work goes to local bar. Beer ensures. Friendships ensue. Hard drugs offered as friendship. Kid gets addicted. Loses driving drug. Can’t pay bills. Friends show him how to burglar cars for cash. He makes it a year but is living on borrowed time. Gets busted. Breaks down on why life sucks so bad. That is an actual story I witnessed. And I witnessed half a dozen times over 5 years. What legalizing drugs would do is take some of the friendship, cool naughtiness out of drug sharing. You can legalize it and still call it dope and call its users stupid. Except now you control the supply and the message. The user can no longer escape the message.


  134. RIX
    135 | January 3, 2014 12:35 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    @ RIX:

    There’s never been a time when man hasn’t resisted social, political or technological change, and resisted it mightily.

    Right, if the change means diluting someones power, that person ill fight back.


  135. 136 | January 3, 2014 1:14 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Heroin and that is legal in Amsterdam, right? Do we have any stats on that? Might be interesting for extrapolation.


  136. Speranza
    137 | January 3, 2014 5:35 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Bingo and that is my point. The GOP for once should get in front of an issue and own it as theirs. Right now, they had no credibility with me and many others when they claim they are for limited government while wanting to jail pot smokers.

    They need to come across as no longer the “Square Party”.


  137. Speranza
    138 | January 3, 2014 5:37 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Good morning. I recall reading somewhere that the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising lasted almost as long as as it took France to surrender in WWII.

    You recalled correctly.


  138. Buffalobob
    139 | January 3, 2014 5:40 pm

    Eli Gat, the Israelis equitant to John Fkn Kerry?


  139. Speranza
    140 | January 3, 2014 9:39 pm

    Buffalobob wrote:

    Eli Gat, the Israelis equitant to John Fkn Kerry?

    A combination of Kerry, Tom Friedman,and Howard Zinn.


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