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Comrade Bill De Blasio takes control; and Gotham’s ‘divider-in-chief’

by Speranza ( 142 Comments › )
Filed under Communism, Crime, Democratic Party, Elections 2012, Marxism, Politics, Progressives, Socialism at January 6th, 2014 - 12:00 pm

The inaugural of Bill de Blasio was totally vulgar and classless even by the vulgar and classless standards of the Left.

Got to love this reference to The New York Times [a]s Mona Charen quipped, if the Chinese Communists buy it, the paper will definitely be more rightwing.

by Ron Radosh

In the 1940s, the New York City subways and buses were represented — as they still are now — by the Transport Workers Union, whose chief at the time was “Red” Mike Quill. A fiery Communist who left the Party in 1948 but remained firmly on the political Left, Red was famous for his quip: “I’d rather be called a Red by the rats than a rat by the Reds.”

I’m certain that New York City’s new mayor, Bill de Blasio, wishes Quill were still alive. He would then have a major ally to work with when the time came for the MTA to negotiate a new union contract with the city. Judging from his inauguration, a parody of a left-wing gala dreamed up at the U.S. desk of the Castro brothers’ Foreign Ministry, de Blasio has taken his big win as a mandate to create social-democracy in one city.

De Blasio has pledged to make his term as mayor the time for implementation of a war against inequality. My colleague Roger L. Simon thinks he and those with him do not believe a word of what they say, that it is all “high comedy” and they “can’t be serious.” I disagree. The rhetoric may be old-fashioned and seem corny, but de Blasio is a certified red diaper baby, he was born and bred in an ideological cocoon of Marxism, and later, by his own word, was inspired by the Sandinistas in Nicaragua and Castro in Cuba.

He chose whom to appoint and who would speak at his inauguration, and if the talk was inflammatory and ideological, it was de Blasio’s intention. He would take the high road and let the words of his apparatchiks and celebrities like Harry Belafonte talk the talk for the true believers who would provide the inspiration. As Slate writer Matt Yglesias quipped on Twitter as he watched the speeches: “Daring of de Blasio to appear on stage with the embalmed corpses of Lenin, Mao, and Ho Chi Minh at his inauguration.”

Actually, it was not corpses who spoke. Rev. Fred A. Lucas Jr. told the audience that New York City was like a slave plantation run for the wealthy. Belafonte falsely asserted that Mayor Mike Bloomberg had increased the concentration of African-Americans in the city’s prisons. The city’s newly elected public advocate, Letitia James, called for a government “that cares more about a child going hungry than a new stadium or a new tax credit for a luxury development.” All this was even too much for the New York Times editorial board, who called the speeches “backward-looking … [and] both graceless and smug.” As for James’ comments, they were “the worst among them.” And Belafonte’s remarks, they noted, were “utterly bogus.”

Perhaps the owners of the Times were afraid that next on the mayor’s agenda might be Hugo Chavez-style press control or, God forbid, a takeover of the paper by the mayor’s press office carried out by administrative decree. No wonder the paper is considering a bid to sell to a Chinese magnate. As Mona Charen quipped, if the Chinese Communists buy it, the paper will definitely be more rightwing.

Jim Epstein, writing at The Daily Beast, understood what de Blasio is about better than anyone. Let him aim away, he writes, pointing out that “[h]is new job won’t afford him the political power of Lenin or Mao — or anything close to what would be necessary to reshape the city’s demography.” His plan to raise taxes on the rich will collapse in Albany where the state’s budget is created, the city’s budget has to be balanced by law, and he doesn’t have on hand the money he promised to the labor unions when new contracts are negotiated. Actually, he is only beholden to the teachers’ union in particular, since only they backed him in the primaries and did the legwork on his behalf.

[......]

The tragedy is that leftist do-good programs for the poor are self-defeating, and could make the city far worse. Moreover, they are based on a faulty understanding of why big cities like New York have both rich and poor living in their domain. Writing in the New York Daily News a few months ago, Ed Glaeser, a professor of economics at Harvard, explained that the city’s “extreme inequality reflects other extraordinary aspects of New York: the massive global financial markets based here, America’s most accessible public transit system, hyper-dense immigrant communities and broad social services, like public housing. These forces attract both rich and poor to New York, and New York should not be ashamed of that economic diversity.”

The poor flock to New York for the reason that it is there they think that there will be mobility that will let them eventually move up the ladder, making it what Glaeser believes is a “viable home for the poor.” It is and has been a port of immigrants who come to America via New York and view it as the starting place for their journey into the middle class.

Then there is the classic failure to comprehend the results of good intentions. Making the public welfare system give more to the poor in the form of various subsidies, Glaeser warns, means more of the poor moving to the city and hence an increase in the inequality. It also means more middle-class people moving out, as well as the wealthy that leave again for the suburbs or other states.

[.......]

Malanga’s ten-year-old prediction proved accurate. He also wrote that the council, in passing extremist legislation that hurt the economy, “could have political ramifications for years to come, because the council serves as the local political minor leagues, preparing candidates for higher office in New York.” Indeed. The result is Mayor Bill de Blasio, a dream of the far Left coming to fruition. [........]

So welcome, New Yorkers, to your future. The crowd at the inaugural cheered former Mayor David Dinkins — New Yorkers alive then well remember his time in office as a period of increased crime, a lack of basic services, higher taxes, a takeover of the streets by de-institutionalized mentally ill patients, and inefficient city government. Those who followed him in office successfully made the city a safe place to live and work in by undoing Dinkins’ failures.

The left favored what was bad for the city. Now with their man in office, New York City residents can see the past as their future.

Read the rest – Comrade De Blasio  takes the helm

Peggy Noonan has Comrade Bill pegged correctly with his despicable class warfare rhetoric. As Rodan and I have mentioned many times – New York City has become a victim of its fantastic success of the past 20 years (1994-2013). So many residents in New York City are not old enough or were not even born when the City was  in its crime ridden doldrums (late 1960′s – 1993) that the hipsters who habitate trendy neighborhoods such as Boerum Hill, Williamsburg, Park Slope, etc. take it as a given that it is a safe place to live.

by Peggy Noonan

Cities sometimes make swerves. That’s what New York did in November when it elected a left-wing Democrat, Bill de Blasio, as mayor. The city was saying, “Enough with the past, let’s try something new.” There’s no doubt they will get it.

Mayors Rudy Giuliani (1994-2001) and Mike Bloomberg (2002-13) led a renaissance of the city, which had half-killed itself in the 1960s, ’70s and ’80s with bankruptcy, labor unrest and high crime rates. The city was thought to be unworkable, finished. For Mayor Giuliani the job was to stabilize, get the criminals off the street, let people feel safe again. Once that was done New York’s natural hunger and high spirits would reassert themselves, businesses would thrive and hire. He left behind a safer, more prosperous city. And there was the parting gift of his last days as mayor, during 9/11 and its aftermath, when—love him or hate him—he showed what a leader looked like.

New York Mayor Bill de Blasio delivers his inaugural address outside City Hall, Jan. 1. Associated Press

Mike Bloomberg, sworn in weeks later, had to lead the city as it righted itself, got over the trauma and refound its confidence. His job was to shake off the ashes and dust, expand and diversify the economy, help create jobs, lower crime rates even further, move forward. He succeeded. The other night at his last dinner as mayor, one of his daughters’ eyes filled with tears as she thanked him, in a toast, for leaving behind a city that her son could be proud of, love, and live in forever.

These imperfect men with their imperfect administrations and their big mistakes—they made a masterpiece. In the past 20 years, other American cities were going down—Detroit most famously—while New York not only became again what it was, the greatest city on the face of the Earth, but it looked like it, and felt like it.

***

Why did New York swerve from that path instead of continuing on it? A lot of reasons. You have to have some years on you to remember New York when it didn’t work—to even know that it’s not magically ordained that it will. You have to be older than 30 or so to remember when it wasn’t safe.

In 1991, there were 2,245 murders in New York. In 2013, there were 333. If you’re a 20-year-old voter, or a 40-year-old voter who came to the city from elsewhere, you don’t remember 1991, and how it felt. You don’t remember garbage strikes and grime. Your vision of the city is as it was in the Giuliani-Bloomberg era, a city ever rising.

And New York is a Democratic town. Sooner or later it was going to swerve. Though the largely untold story is that voter turnout in November was historically low. Only about a million of 4.3 million registered voters showed up at the polls. Bill de Blasio won in landslide, but it was a landslide from a severely reduced pile of voters.

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No one knows exactly what’s coming, but Mr. de Blasio’s inaugural address on Wednesday was not promising. Whether you are a conservative or a liberal, you can choose, as a leader, to be a uniter or a divider. Mr. de Blasio seems very much the latter. He is on the side of the poor and the marginalized, which is good, but he took every opportunity to jab at those who are not poor and don’t live on the margins. “Big dreams are not a luxury of the privileged few,” he said. Whoever said they were? He is a political descendant of those “who took on the elite.” New York “is not the exclusive domain of the One Percent.” Who said it was?  [......]

This mayor will “reform” the stop-and-frisk policy of the New York Police Department. Exactly how, he didn’t say. But stop, question and frisk has been part of the kind of policing that helped New York reduce crime.

“We will ask the very wealthy to pay a little more in taxes so that we can offer full-day, universal pre-K and after-school programs for every middle school student.” The wealthy should not complain. “Those earning between $500,000 and one million dollars a year, for instance, would see their taxes increase by an average of $973 a year. That’s less than three bucks a day—about the cost of a small soy latte at your local Starbucks. SBUX -0.29%

[......]

There was no mention of the most famous impediment to educational improvement and reform: the teachers unions.

Mr. de Blasio acknowledges that his “progressive vision” is not supported by everyone. “Some on the far right continue to preach the virtue of trickle-down economics. They believe that the way to move forward is to give more to the most fortunate, and that somehow the benefits will work their way down to everyone else. They sell their approach as the path of ‘rugged individualism.’ ” But don’t worry, he doesn’t want to “punish success,” he wants to “create more success stories.”

It isn’t hard to unpack this. Those who oppose Mr. de Blasio are greedy and uncaring. They don’t offer a point of view, they “preach,” and what they preach is that the poor should be satisfied with the crumbs that fall from the tables of the rich. They “sell” this argument—my goodness, they’re trying to make money even while discussing politics—but the flawed product they peddle is “rugged individualism,” a phrase that hasn’t been used in this city in a century.  [........]

***

An inaugural address is a big thing. It declares an agenda but also sets a tone. An attitude. The tone Mr. de Blasio set was that of a divider.

A uniter’s approach would have been one that was both more morally generous and more honest. It wouldn’t set one group against the other, it would have asserted that all New Yorkers are in this together. Something along this approach: “To those who earn half a million dollars or more a year, we know and understand that your weekly paycheck is already subject to federal, state and city taxes. Which means we know you already contribute a great deal, and not only through taxes. So many of our citizens are deeply civic-minded. They give their time and effort to helping their local churches and synagogues; to building civic organizations; [.........]”

What was absent in Mr. de Blasio’s remarks was a kind of civic courtesy, or grace. The kind that seeks to unite and build from shared strength, the kind that doesn’t demonize. Instead, from our new mayor we got the snotty sound of us vs. them, of zero-sum politics.

It was not a promising beginning. Or rather what it promises is unfortunate. I already miss Mike.

Read the rest – New York’s Divider in Chief

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142 Responses to “Comrade Bill De Blasio takes control; and Gotham’s ‘divider-in-chief’”
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  1. Speranza
    1 | January 6, 2014 12:04 pm

    I know last week was the end of my prodigious posting of threads but I did a bunch of stuff that was put into pending and/or draft that I am using up.


  2. 2 | January 6, 2014 12:05 pm

    @ Speranza:

    You are like the plague!

    :lol:


  3. Speranza
    3 | January 6, 2014 12:07 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    You are like the plague!

    I know I am an annoyance but I did a bunch of threads last week that we did not have time to put up so one more week I guess.


  4. RIX
    4 | January 6, 2014 12:11 pm

    This guy misunderstands the job of a mayor.It is to assure public transit , schools,police & fire protectio, etc.
    It is not to lead the Bolsheviks against the Czar.


  5. 5 | January 6, 2014 12:15 pm

    Repost from the last thread:
    See, there’s where I disagree with you. There are two Americas, and the split between them is every bit as real as the split between the North and South during the Civil War. That is why I call It the Cold Civil War. It isn’t one or two issues. It is a whole philosophy of government, from what makes government legitimate to the role of the Federal Government in the lives of ordinary citizens. Look at the New York mayoral race, because that is where you can see the cultural split most starkly. DeBlasio wouldn’t have made it through a primary in most states, even at a city level. He is a card-carrying Communist, and that would have nixed him in most areas. In NYC he took, what, 70% of the vote?


  6. 6 | January 6, 2014 12:18 pm

    RIX wrote:

    It is not to lead the Bolsheviks against the Czar.

    But that is what the Democrats think their mission is. Now, they don’t really want to soak the rich. The way they plan to reduce “economic inequality” is to make the Middle Class Poor, not raise the poor up to be Middle Class. Like I said, it comes down to philosophy of government. What makes a State “legitimate”? The Left would say that power makes a State legitimate, while a Conservative would say that the “consent of the governed” makes the State legitimate. We are divided on almost every single issue where this debate is relevant. We really share few (if any) points in Common with the Left.


  7. heysoos
    7 | January 6, 2014 12:34 pm

    @ Speranza:
    thanks for all you do, which is alot


  8. heysoos
    8 | January 6, 2014 12:49 pm

    tough guy…
    4 against one, inside a trailer
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/mma-fighter-fends-attackers-killing-police-article-1.1567059


  9. 9 | January 6, 2014 12:53 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Yeah, I linked that on the overnight thread. Quite impressive. The guy I am training with now had a similar encounter once. He didn’t quite kill either of the guys (there were two of them), but he put both of them in the hospital. He broke one of one guy’s legs and crushed the other one’s trachea. Nobody to mess with.


  10. MikeA
    10 | January 6, 2014 1:02 pm

    For the previous thread but also goes along with this thread since it is about what happens when communists try to run things.

    8 Million Acres of China’s Farmland is Too Polluted to Farm; All Farm Products From China Suspect


  11. 11 | January 6, 2014 1:10 pm

    @ MikeA:

    “Environmentalists”, in general, don’t really care about the Environment. They are concerned with spreading Leftist ideology. “Environmentalism” is what they use to sell their neo-Luddite policies, but they could really care less if the environment itself is polluted. Thus China is off the hook for her environmental policies (or lack thereof), because she is still on the Left politically, if not quite as far on the Left as she was under Mao.


  12. MikeA
    12 | January 6, 2014 1:13 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Agreed since both India and China are not held to the same standard. It also shows that China has a huge problem. Take the water problem they have and add this and you have a country that needs resources. It will get them where it can, by force if necessary. So who has a bunch of water and fertile land nearby….


  13. RIX
    13 | January 6, 2014 1:14 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    The 1964 Civil Rights Act & subsequent legislation addressed inequality of opportunity.
    At the time the Dems & a lot of Republicans lauded the legislation as the answer.
    They are now pushing for equal outcomes which is not possible.
    I want Obamas jets, limos, income & perks, but that wont happen.


  14. eaglesoars
    14 | January 6, 2014 1:18 pm

    MikeA wrote:

    For the previous thread but also goes along with this thread since it is about what happens when communists try to run things.
    8 Million Acres of China’s Farmland is Too Polluted to Farm; All Farm Products From China Suspect

    China’s water has been polluted for DECADES -- and I don’t remember the last time I knowingly bought anything edible from China. As large as it is, you’d think they could lose 8 mil acres w/o a problem but a surprisingly small percentage of the land is actually arable. Lots of mountains, etc.


  15. eaglesoars
    15 | January 6, 2014 1:19 pm

    MikeA wrote:

    So who has a bunch of water and fertile land nearby….

    IIRC, China has been buying farmland somewhere in South America.


  16. Speranza
    16 | January 6, 2014 1:19 pm

    RIX wrote:

    This guy misunderstands the job of a mayor.It is to assure public transit , schools,police & fire protectio, etc.
    It is not to lead the Bolsheviks against the Czar.

    Exactly. Someone once said that the duties of the POTUS are 1. protection of the nations borders, 2. protecting the public from bad laws, 3. maintaining the currency, 4) conducting foreign policy.


  17. Speranza
    17 | January 6, 2014 1:20 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    thanks for all you do, which is alot

    Merci bien.


  18. 18 | January 6, 2014 1:27 pm

    RIX wrote:

    They are now pushing for equal outcomes which is not possible.

    What they mean by this is reducing the prosperous middle class into poverty. When I was in school, some of the professors made no bones about that. The process is called “leveling”, and you can’t level everyone’s outcome and make everyone prosperous. The only kind of leveling you can really accomplish is to reduce the bulk of the people to the lowest common denominator. They want everyone “equal”. Equally poor. “From each according to his measure. To each according to his needs” isn’t about maximizing prosperity. It is explicitly about reducing everyone’s standard of living to only the basic, common needs. Thus, everyone lives in shitty public housing while on food stamps. That is a perfect result for the Left. Of course the “Revolutionary Vanguard” isn’t supposed to live that way. They are, after all, the Nobility of this new manorial system. Only the best will do for them, but they want the bulk of the people living in penury.


  19. buzzsawmonkey
    19 | January 6, 2014 1:48 pm

    The NYT doesn’t like DeBlasio? Screw the NYT; the NYT elected DeBlasio.

    The Times could have plumped as hard for Bill Thompson—a Democrat, yes, and therefore also a Leftist, but a responsible adult who did a creditable job as Controller—instead of going all out to push DeBlasio, an obviously ideological gasbag who had done nothing as Public Advocate, and who was addicted to showing up at street demonstrations and blathering rhetoric as if he, a member of the city government, had no power to affect things done in the city from within.

    The Times helped DeBlasio build momentum in the primaries at Thompson’s expense; the Times helped to push for DeBlasio and against Thompson’s insisting on a runoff. If the Times was disgusted by the DeBlasio inaugural—if the Times noticed, finally, what it had stepped in and how it smelled after tap-dancing through the steaming pile for months last year—the Times has nobody but itself to blame for its tardy realization.


  20. 20 | January 6, 2014 1:52 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    the Times has nobody but itself to blame for its tardy realization.

    The Revolution will always eat its own. What these people never get is that their lust for gulags for their enemies will eventually pivot into executions for them. This always happens in Leftist dictatorships. DeBlasio may not quite be a Leftist dictator, but it is abundantly clear that that is the cloth from which he’s gut. New York City has made a grievous error here. I expect that they’ll find that out slowly across the next four years.


  21. buzzsawmonkey
    21 | January 6, 2014 1:55 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    DeBlasio may not quite be a Leftist dictator,

    He’s already trying to destroy the carriage-horse business and word has it he wants to destroy the charter schools.


  22. 22 | January 6, 2014 2:05 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Certainly. I’d really expect nothing less from him. The carriages thing is a sop to one of his big contributors. Charter schools threaten the Teacher’s Unions, so he will of course act to protect them against competition. The Charter Schools should fight back, asking why DeBlasio wants little Johnnie and Suzie to not be able to read. The Left is good about personalizing political conflicts. That is something we have to learn to do if we are to defeat them.


  23. heysoos
    23 | January 6, 2014 2:10 pm

    be polite to your assailant, do not run them over
    http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/02/man-attacked-by-robber-fights-back-is-charged-with-murder/


  24. rain of lead
    24 | January 6, 2014 2:11 pm

    well this day sucks

    I am now in the ranks of the unemployed
    anybody know anybody that has a job opening :(

    how about help writing a resume
    the last time I did one of those was about 15 yrs ago


  25. 25 | January 6, 2014 2:13 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    DeBlasio is a result is the GOP abandoning Urban areas. If DeBlasio was Rudy’s 97 Dem opponent, he would have been crushed. I am on the Right, but I am urban. There is no political room for people like me in any Party.

    On a brighter note, where the hell is Global Warming? I’m in Florida and we will be in the 20′s/30′s tonight?


  26. 26 | January 6, 2014 2:13 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    WTF?

    Why?


  27. 27 | January 6, 2014 2:14 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    He’s already trying to destroy the carriage-horse business and word has it he wants to destroy the charter schools.

    Then he will go after Catholic and Private Jewish schools.

    BTW, where the hell is Global Warming?


  28. rain of lead
    28 | January 6, 2014 2:15 pm

    @ Rodan:

    downsizing is a motherfucker


  29. 29 | January 6, 2014 2:16 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Bill Thompason is a harmless Machine politician. Bill DeBlasio is a revolutionary Ideologue.


  30. 30 | January 6, 2014 2:16 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    What industry you in?


  31. rain of lead
    31 | January 6, 2014 2:17 pm

    already applied for state unemployment but won’t know about that till the end of the month
    been looking over want ads for about an hour


  32. 32 | January 6, 2014 2:17 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    BTW, where the hell is Global Warming?

    They’ve been promising Global Warming for years, Ive been doing everything I can to hasten it’s fruition, and it’s still bloody cold. Lying bastards!


  33. rain of lead
    33 | January 6, 2014 2:18 pm

    @ Rodan:
    retail
    warehouse receiving
    forklift operator
    food service
    retail mgmt


  34. 34 | January 6, 2014 2:19 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    well this day sucks

    I am now in the ranks of the unemployed
    anybody know anybody that has a job opening

    how about help writing a resume
    the last time I did one of those was about 15 yrs ago

    Man, I’m sorry to hear that! Did you see it coming or did they just blindside you?


  35. 35 | January 6, 2014 2:20 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Supposedly by now, there was going to be no more snow. Heck Beaches in the Northeast were supposed to be open all year round and Florida was going to be under water.

    I have not drown yet and it’s cold down here.

    WTF!


  36. 36 | January 6, 2014 2:21 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    You try Monster or Craiglist?


  37. rain of lead
    37 | January 6, 2014 2:21 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    blindside


  38. rain of lead
    38 | January 6, 2014 2:22 pm

    @ Rodan:

    not yet
    this just went down this morning so I’m still numb and in a state of shock


  39. 39 | January 6, 2014 2:25 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    Supposedly by now, there was going to be no more snow. Heck Beaches in the Northeast were supposed to be open all year round and Florida was going to be under water.

    I have not drown yet and it’s cold down here.

    WTF!

    Yeah, I was planning on beachfront property here in Louisville and my damned banana trees are as disappointed as I am……actually more.


  40. 40 | January 6, 2014 2:27 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    how about help writing a resume
    the last time I did one of those was about 15 yrs ago

    Man, I am sorry to hear that. You’ve got my personal email now. Mail me, and I’ll send you my wife’s email address. She is a professional technical writer. I am sure that she wouldn’t mind helping you on a resume.


  41. 41 | January 6, 2014 2:27 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Al Gore is really one of the biggest scam artists ever.


  42. rain of lead
    42 | January 6, 2014 2:30 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    that would be awesome
    gimme a day or so to get my shit together and i’ll drop y’all an e-mail


  43. 43 | January 6, 2014 2:30 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    blindside

    I hope you’re younger than me. I had 30 years in distribution/warehouse management and I didn’t even get nibbles and I’m convinced it was because of my age. It’s fugly out there and it has been for a long time.

    Recovery my ass!


  44. 44 | January 6, 2014 2:32 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    On a brighter note, where the hell is Global Warming?

    I’m not seeing it. It is supposed to get down below zero tonight, and the wind chill is supposed to be something like -10. They are anticipating record temps tonight. I’ve only seen it like this once in my life, and that was when I was in Middle School. We had another big cell of arctic air come down from the north to freeze our asses off. I’m still loving that the Global Warming “scientists” who went to measure the melting of the Antarctic ice were trapped in the ice themselves and had to be rescued. I don’t think I could have made it any better if I’d had the ability to influence the weather.


  45. 45 | January 6, 2014 2:33 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    K. I just spoke to my wife about it and she said she’d be happy to help you.


  46. 46 | January 6, 2014 2:34 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I wish we can sue politicians for lying. Obama claims times are wonderful.


  47. 47 | January 6, 2014 2:35 pm

    @ Rodan:

    The $100 million dollar man. Remember that when the Left talks about soaking the “rich”. By “rich” they mean people like you and me, not multi-millionaire con men like Al Gore, or vulture capitalists like George Soros. Their target is squarely on the Middle Class.


  48. 48 | January 6, 2014 2:36 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    They deserve what they got.


  49. 49 | January 6, 2014 2:38 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I wish we can sue politicians for lying.

    They’d all be bankrupt if we did that. You’d think Obama would be paying a steeper price for his lies, but I think we about reached saturation point with his duplicity. 35% of the population is going to support him no matter what. There is really nothing that we can do to win those people over. Conversely, there is nothing Obama can do that will lose him the votes of those people.


  50. 50 | January 6, 2014 2:38 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    Al Gore is really one of the biggest scam artists ever.

    I’m having to walk out with the Scottie Dog of War when he pees, they’re built low to the ground and I don’t want his penis to freeze to the ground.


  51. rain of lead
    51 | January 6, 2014 2:39 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    great
    still reeling
    momcat is freaked due to insurance and cobra is fugattaboutit


  52. rain of lead
    52 | January 6, 2014 2:40 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    carry a thermos of warm water


  53. 53 | January 6, 2014 2:42 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Notice the Dems never talk about raising taxes on companies like Facebook that pay none?


  54. 54 | January 6, 2014 2:44 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Poor puppy.


  55. 55 | January 6, 2014 2:46 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    Yeah, when I left my last job to come here, COBRA was $2K a month. We fortunately only had to do that for one month. We certainly couldn’t have afforded to do it for very long. Also, when my wife was let go three years ago from her last full-time gig, her COBRA was something like $550 a month, which we thought was steep. We got married early just to be sure to get her on my insurance. One of the things that ties me to the job I have is that we have pretty good benefits. I couldn’t get as good insurance as I have through ObamaCare at any price. We are concerned that we may drop coverage next year (later this year, now; time does fly), but probably won’ t face that. We’re self-insured, and so come under one of the special exemptions that the Unions have gotten. It is a time of change in America. Obama brought that much of what he promised. It isn’t change for the better, but it is change.


  56. 56 | January 6, 2014 2:47 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    I’m gonna go to Mass specifically for you guys tomorrow, it’s too late today. I feel so bad for you, I wish I could do more.


  57. 57 | January 6, 2014 2:51 pm

    @ Rodan:

    No, they never want to really soak the rich. That is just rhetoric that they feed their base, to keep them pumped up. They talk about raising taxes on people who make over a $250K salary, but what they are really talking about there are mostly doctors and lawyers. Most of your really rich people don’t get their money in the form of a salary, anyway. What the Left wants is to eliminate the Middle Class. That has been the Communist goal since the time of Marx. They’ve not changed their goals. They’ve just changed their tactics some.


  58. 58 | January 6, 2014 2:54 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    If the Republicans had any brains, they would call for going after the income of Rich leftists, turn the table.


  59. Guggi
    59 | January 6, 2014 2:59 pm

    Isn’t that a bit unfair ?

    New Yorkers alive then well remember his time in office as a period of increased crime ….

    Wiki

    Under the Dinkins administration, crime in New York City decreased more dramatically and more rapidly than at any time in modern New York City history


  60. 60 | January 6, 2014 3:01 pm

    @ Rodan:

    It is really not that easy to do. The problem is that the rich Leftists, like Warren Buffet, use capital gains to reap most of their money, and you don’t want to put a high tax on capital gains in order to make it worth it to build businesses and thus create jobs. Creating jobs is a side-effect of lowering taxes. Companies don’t usually start with the idea that they are going to create a lot of jobs. They start with an idea that is going to make a lot of money. A consequence of trying to make the money is the expansion of the workforce. If you went after FaceBook (or all of Silly Valley, for that matter), you’d also be putting the brakes on the engine that is producing the meager job creation that we are seeing now. You can’t simply issue a Bill of Attainder against Zuckerman and Buffet and tax them individually. That is not constitutional. You’d have to go against all capital gains, and that would be detrimental to our economy. This is something that the likes of Zuckerman and Buffet knows, which is why they can agitate for “higher taxes” knowing that they will never have to pay one penny of that.


  61. 61 | January 6, 2014 3:02 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    If the Republicans had any brains, they would call for going after the income of Rich leftists, turn the table.

    Just off the top of my head, I would think that the money generated by the entertainment industry doesn’t really radiate out in ancillary businesses like it does in many other industries.


  62. buzzsawmonkey
    62 | January 6, 2014 3:03 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    One of the things that ties me to the job I have is that we have pretty good benefits. I couldn’t get as good insurance as I have through ObamaCare at any price. We are concerned that we may drop coverage next year (later this year, now; time does fly), but probably won’ t face that. We’re self-insured, and so come under one of the special exemptions that the Unions have gotten.

    It’s all going to go to hell by the end of this year; that is the point. Everyone knows someone who doesn’t have insurance any more; someone who can’t get it; who can’t afford it if they can get it; who has to take government subsidy to get worse coverage than they had before, while some sneering asshole tells them that what they lost was “substandard.”

    The entire clusterfuck is the imposition of the Virtual Gulag™; keeping all these people roiling around is the point, because it increases the anxiety among those of you who are still holding onto what you’ve got and who know that you could lose it the moment Obama pulls another illegal unilateral rewrite of “the law of the land.”

    The point of this is to stampede the whole country into voting Democrat this fall to ratify the illegal patches Obama will make to the law over the next five or six months to transform Obamacare illegally into single-payer in all but name. People will be told that Obamacare cannot be/will not be repealed, so the only choice is to go for single payer—because the Republicans will be babbling and squabbling and arguing in an incoherent cacophony, the Democrats will be speaking with one voice—single payer!—and the media will accentuate both the cacophony of the Republicans and the simplicity of the Democrats’ position.

    And darkness and decay and the Red Death will hold illimitable dominion over all.


  63. rain of lead
    63 | January 6, 2014 3:08 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    thanks
    as they say when a door closes a window opens
    I have various skill sets so I sure I can find SOMETHING


  64. 64 | January 6, 2014 3:11 pm

    @ Guggi:

    :lol:

    That Wiki entry is utter BS.

    Here are the Stats:

    1990 2,605 Killed
    1993 2,420 Killed.

    A decrease of 215.


  65. 65 | January 6, 2014 3:11 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Everyone knows someone who doesn’t have insurance any more; someone who can’t get it; who can’t afford it if they can get it; who has to take government subsidy to get worse coverage than they had before, while some sneering asshole tells them that what they lost was “substandard.”

    That’s really an excellent point. A “pandemic” is not actually a “pandemic” in the eyes of the public until everyone actually knows someone who’s sick, or who’s sick themselves. We’re there.


  66. Guggi
    66 | January 6, 2014 3:12 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    IIRC, China has been buying farmland somewhere in South America.

    and Leasing it for 100-years all over Africa


  67. 67 | January 6, 2014 3:15 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I hope you are wrong, but you may be right. We’ll have to see. We’re already hearing noise about Single Payer from the Usual Suspects. The question will b can they turn out their vote on that issue, or will the Republicans be able to turn out their vote on repeal? I know that most of the polls seem to favor the Republican’s take on it, but I put very little faith in polls. The only poll that matters is election day, and I simply do not know what will happen in November. I know it will be here before we know it, but there is still a lot of time between now and then.


  68. 68 | January 6, 2014 3:16 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    LWHy should Facebook pay no taxes, but you do? That’s a rigged system and we need to redo the Tax Code so people like Buffet and Zuckerberg pay taxes.

    If you went after FaceBook (or all of Silly Valley, for that matter), you’d also be putting the brakes on the engine that is producing the meager job creation that we are seeing now.

    They need to face consequences for their political actions. We need to impose a 20% tax on the entertainment industry profits.

    It’s time to play political economic warfare.


  69. buzzsawmonkey
    69 | January 6, 2014 3:17 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Why waste time and money building a gulag when you get the effect you want through keeping the people who are going bankrupt to pay for medicine or who are dying in agony right there among the rest of the populace?

    The Left is going to get its Doctor Stasi imposed through single payer by stampeding the electorate this year. The only downside from their point of view is that they will only have to kill about a million people, scatter-sited across the country; Bill Ayers won’t get to kill the 25 million he dreamed of 40 years ago until after the Revolution.


  70. 70 | January 6, 2014 3:19 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Yup, target the Entertainment Industry. They are making out like bandits.


  71. buzzsawmonkey
    71 | January 6, 2014 3:20 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    We’re already hearing noise about Single Payer from the Usual Suspects.

    Look for the big push on single-payer (which as you pointed out has already begun) to roll out later this month in conjunction with the MLK weekend (“Martin would have wanted it!”).

    It will continue through primary season as Obama illegally authorizes payments to hospitals that can’t get money from the insurance companies because of “website glitches.” The illegal authorizations—which the Republicans will not say a peep about—will create de facto single-payer by the time the primary season is over, and then the Democrats will run on a platform of ratifying the President’s actions.


  72. Guggi
    72 | January 6, 2014 3:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Guggi:

    That Wiki entry is utter BS.

    Here are the Stats:

    1990 2,605 Killed
    1993 2,420 Killed.

    A decrease of 215.

    thanks, Rodan :-)


  73. 73 | January 6, 2014 3:23 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Actually, corporations never pay taxes. The corporation’s customers pay the tax. We have the highest corporate tax in the world, and then we wonder why we aren’t creating jobs? It is really simple. We are doing our level best to de-incentivize job creation in this country. Get rid of the pesky corporations who create the jobs, and you get a whole new layer of people who have to be supported by the tax-payer, because it is impossible for them to find a job in the New Economy. Taxing FaceBook more would hardly raise revenues at all, but it would slow Silicon Valley down as a job creator in the tech world. A 20% surtax on entertainment sounds good, but you realize that even there the studios and stars won’t be paying the tax. The consumers of entertainment will be the ones paying the tax. The studios et al will pass those costs on to customers.


  74. 74 | January 6, 2014 3:26 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    IIRC, China has been buying farmland somewhere in South America.

    and Leasing it for 100-years all over Africa

    When you have intercontinental supply lines for your food supply…well…that doesn’t seem to be a tenable long-term position.


  75. 75 | January 6, 2014 3:26 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    2016 Hillary will run on single payer.


  76. buzzsawmonkey
    76 | January 6, 2014 3:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    2016 Hillary will run on single payer.

    She won’t have to. It will be imposed by Obama illegally by June and ratified by the voters this November.


  77. 77 | January 6, 2014 3:33 pm

    Taxing FaceBook more would hardly raise revenues at all, but it would slow Silicon Valley down as a job creator in the tech world.

    It would break their backs politically. Not all Tech jobs are based on Silicon Valley. They need to be crushed so new companies can emerge.


  78. 78 | January 6, 2014 3:35 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I think its far fetched, but I could be wrong. I do agree, single payer is coming.


  79. heysoos
    79 | January 6, 2014 3:37 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I think its far fetched, but I could be wrong. I do agree, single payer is coming.

    it will if the GOP does not conjure up something better


  80. Speranza
    80 | January 6, 2014 3:38 pm

    Every now and then I like Peggy Noonan’s columns.


  81. Speranza
    81 | January 6, 2014 3:39 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Under the Dinkins administration, crime in New York City decreased more dramatically and more rapidly than at any time in modern New York City history

    Total horse shit.


  82. RIX
    82 | January 6, 2014 3:42 pm

    Charles Krauthammer had an interesting article this morning. Insurance company bail outs are baked into the ACC.
    Charles thinks that the Republican House should pass such a bill & send it to the Dem Senate.
    He believes that their options then would be to either pass the bill or call for single payer.
    In his opinion both options are too unpopular & the Dems will pass on both leading to the end of ObamaCare.
    I like his thinking, but I don’t know that I buy that.


  83. Da_Beerfreak
    83 | January 6, 2014 3:42 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    That is why the Chicoms are building a ‘Blue Water’ navy to protect those sea lanes. They are currently building a couple of carrier task forces while we argue over who’s going to rearrange the the deckchairs on the Titanic this week… :roll:


  84. 84 | January 6, 2014 3:42 pm

    @ heysoos:

    it will if the GOP does not conjure up something better

    How is the beachfront property near Albuquerque going?


  85. 85 | January 6, 2014 3:43 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I saw the link and gave Guggi the correct stats. Wikipedia is lying.


  86. heysoos
    86 | January 6, 2014 3:44 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    it will if the GOP does not conjure up something better
    How is the beachfront property near Albuquerque going?

    surfs up dood!!!


  87. 87 | January 6, 2014 3:45 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    They declared the Western pacific theirs by using maps from 1485.


  88. 88 | January 6, 2014 3:47 pm

    @ heysoos:

    That’s more probably than Republicans coming up with a popular alternative. I have to admit, you have been spot on about how the political system is fake. I feel bad I did not see the wisdom of your ways earlier.


  89. buzzsawmonkey
    89 | January 6, 2014 3:48 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Charles Krauthammer had an interesting article this morning. Insurance company bail outs are baked into the ACC.
    Charles thinks that the Republican House should pass such a bill & send it to the Dem Senate.
    He believes that their options then would be to either pass the bill or call for single payer.
    In his opinion both options are too unpopular & the Dems will pass on both leading to the end of ObamaCare.
    I like his thinking, but I don’t know that I buy that.

    If the Republicans had any brains or guts—they don’t—they’d publicly agree to the blatant welfare payment that Obama and the Democrats are pushing for under the guise of an “unemployment extension,” by making the price of agreement the total and immediate abolition of the EPA and all its regs.

    When you’re in a negotiating hole, the way to get out of it is to up the stakes and change the game on your terms. The Republicans have been backed into a corner by the Democrats; either they sell themselves out with their base by agreeing to the welfare “unemployment extension” spending, or they look like “heartless people who don’t care about the unemployed.” So—agree to it, but get rid of the EPA; demanding the EPA be tossed out throws things back on the Democrats. If the EPA does get tossed out, that will remove such a huge dead hand from the economy that the small expenditure of increased unemployment payments (including those made to fired EPA employees) will be a drop in the bucket.


  90. 90 | January 6, 2014 3:49 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Not all Tech jobs are based on Silicon Valley.

    I know this. I work in the IT department of the largest provider of Emergency Room staffing in the country, and I am 2500 miles away from Silly Valley. I wouldn’t take a job in Silly Valley if I were offered one. Nor in Washington State. Last month I was contacted by a recruiter that was looking for people to go to a job fair for Amazon, but I wasn’t willing to move to Washington State, so there was no purpose in my attending (I’d have had to drive to Atlanta for it).


  91. 91 | January 6, 2014 3:51 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I like the way you think. Have you ever considered running for public office? Seriously. I don’t know if you could win with you being located where you are, but I think you’d make a welcome addition to our congressional delegation.


  92. heysoos
    92 | January 6, 2014 3:54 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    That’s more probably than Republicans coming up with a popular alternative. I have to admit, you have been spot on about how the political system is fake. I feel bad I did not see the wisdom of your ways earlier.

    I’m hyper sensitive about my personal freedom…where some people just feel a pin prick, I feel a sledge hammer…earning my trust is not cliche…stuff just seems obvious to me, but I lack the verbage skills to say what I want…and I’m not on any mission, not my afair to persuade anybody what to think…look around with a keen eye and open mind is all you have to do


  93. buzzsawmonkey
    93 | January 6, 2014 3:55 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I’ve thought about it—in part because an old lobbyist friend said to me, years ago, “people run for office when they have nothing to lose.”

    Problem is, I have no money and no organization—and even if I did, it is highly unlikely that I could get a majority where I live now, given the makeup of the electorate.


  94. heysoos
    94 | January 6, 2014 3:57 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I’ve thought about it—in part because an old lobbyist friend said to me, years ago, “people run for office when they have nothing to lose.”
    Problem is, I have no money and no organization—and even if I did, it is highly unlikely that I could get a majority where I live now, given the makeup of the electorate.

    how’s your hair?


  95. 95 | January 6, 2014 3:57 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    If the Republicans had any brains or guts

    Hey one can dream?

    :lol:


  96. 96 | January 6, 2014 3:59 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Run as a Democrat pretend to be a Marxist, then vote Conservatively once elected. Then the year before your re-election, shift Left again!

    :lol:


  97. buzzsawmonkey
    97 | January 6, 2014 3:59 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    how’s your hair?

    Fine, thanks; how’s yours?


  98. coldwarrior
    98 | January 6, 2014 3:59 pm

    MikeA wrote:

    For the previous thread but also goes along with this thread since it is about what happens when communists try to run things.
    8 Million Acres of China’s Farmland is Too Polluted to Farm; All Farm Products From China Suspect

    i have for years flatly REFUSED, vehemently at times, to eat or drink anything from china.


  99. heysoos
    99 | January 6, 2014 4:00 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    how’s your hair?
    Fine, thanks; how’s yours?

    the FIRST consideration when running for office


  100. buzzsawmonkey
    100 | January 6, 2014 4:01 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Run as a Democrat pretend to be a Marxist, then vote Conservatively once elected. Then the year before your re-election, shift Left again!

    We already have Peter King in the New York area. He does the opposite; he makes conservative noises while running and then votes Left.


  101. RIX
    101 | January 6, 2014 4:02 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    If the EPA does get tossed out, that will remove such a huge dead hand from the economy that the small expenditure of increased unemployment payments (including those made to fired EPA employees) will be a drop in the bucket. --

    That would be a good trade off. Opposing unemployment benefits extension is a loser for the Republicans.


  102. buzzsawmonkey
    102 | January 6, 2014 4:04 pm

    RIX wrote:

    That would be a good trade off.

    With any luck, the resultant prosperity would act to teach people that they don’t need as much government as they might have thought they did.


  103. darkwords
    103 | January 6, 2014 4:04 pm

    @ 9 Iron Fist: The the judicial system presses charges against him he should sue them for letting this gang roam free. Unfortunately, the government seems to work off the notion that to be equal everyone is guilty.


  104. 104 | January 6, 2014 4:05 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    SO turn the tables. Run as a Marxist Dem, then shift Right when elected. The year before re-election Go Left and once re-elected go Right!

    Hey I’m just giving you an idea! :wink:


  105. 105 | January 6, 2014 4:06 pm

    Morrissey compares eating meat to pedophilia, calls it ‘rape, violence, murder’

    These people need to be amplified and ridiculed as buffoons- it would resonate with an overwhelming majority of people. They say this shit with impunity, it should come with a price.


  106. 106 | January 6, 2014 4:07 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    The Ribs I had the other day were good. Oops, You are talking about the country. My bad. :lol:


  107. darkwords
    107 | January 6, 2014 4:07 pm

    @ 10 MikeA: It’s a third world mentality. I used to meet Vietnamese in the US who would fish in the most polluted waters. As long as the water was clear they thought it was clean. Those fish went to the restaurant with no inspections.

    Scientists say pesticides will never reach the water table. Cultures say clear water is potable. Both were and are still wrong.


  108. 108 | January 6, 2014 4:08 pm

    @ RIX:

    Been wonderin’ if you was dead in the polar vortex, man!


  109. 109 | January 6, 2014 4:08 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    That guy is still around?


  110. rain of lead
    110 | January 6, 2014 4:08 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    making the price of agreement the total and immediate abolition of the EPA and all its regs.

    and then the dims and the media would start SCREAMING the the gop hates mother nature and wants to kill MORE people

    but I like the idea of punching back twice as hard, just need a way to do it

    haysoos may be right, DAMN the torpedoes full steam ahead!

    tora, tora, tora!


  111. 111 | January 6, 2014 4:09 pm

    New Thread.


  112. BatGuano
    113 | January 6, 2014 4:10 pm

    What is a “Morrissey” ? Is it edible?


  113. 114 | January 6, 2014 4:12 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    What is a “Morrissey” ? Is it edible?

    Oh God no, not even audible if you ask me!


  114. buzzsawmonkey
    115 | January 6, 2014 4:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    SO turn the tables. Run as a Marxist Dem, then shift Right when elected. The year before re-election Go Left and once re-elected go Right!

    Several problems with that. One would be the uncontrollable chronic projectile vomiting such a strategy would induce. The other is that unlike the Stockholm Syndrome Right, the Left does not forgive deviations from the party line.

    The most important thing is that the purpose in running is to tell people what you stand for and get their support on that basis. When my father ran for local office—he was considered a wild-eyed Leftist when he first ran and ended up his career as the darling of the local religious right, without having significantly altered his positions over some 30 years—people knew that he would tell them what he thought, straight out, and they could take it or leave it. For the most part, they took it; there were a number of people who were his political opponents who clearly respected his integrity even if they disagreed with his positions, and some of them, I believe, voted for him because they trusted him even if they differed on matters of policy.

    I would not want to betray that legacy.


  115. 116 | January 6, 2014 4:18 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The other is that unlike the Stockholm Syndrome Right, the Left does not forgive deviations from the party line.

    :lol:

    That is an awesome term!


  116. 117 | January 6, 2014 4:21 pm

    Damn! I made a 15 foot round trip across the driveway to the trash bin in my shirtsleeves and my skin is stinging!


  117. RIX
    118 | January 6, 2014 4:22 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    That would be a good trade off.

    With any luck, the resultant prosperity would act to teach people that they don’t need as much government as they might have thought they did.

    People were getting more & more dependent on government, but ObamaCare may be causing second thoughts.


  118. RIX
    119 | January 6, 2014 4:23 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Damn! I made a 15 foot round trip across the driveway to the trash bin in my shirtsleeves and my skin is stinging!

    Nooooooooo! You need to calm down and have a cocktail.


  119. 120 | January 6, 2014 4:24 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I believe, voted for him because they trusted him even if they differed on matters of policy.

    I’ve voted for people on that basis, locally. Alas, in a world of self-serving jackals, trust is a vanishing attribute in all walks of life- politics is only one of ‘em.


  120. buzzsawmonkey
    121 | January 6, 2014 4:25 pm

    RIX wrote:

    People were getting more & more dependent on government, but ObamaCare may be causing second thoughts.

    Second thoughts, maybe; but they’re still going to vote to ratify single-payer. They will get no other option presented to them by the Republicans this year, and the terror of slow, painful death and/or bankruptcy and/or watching their loved ones die horribly will stampede them into the waiting arms of Nancy Pelosi and Debbie Wasserman Schultz.


  121. 122 | January 6, 2014 4:27 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Nooooooooo! You need to calm down and have a cocktail.

    I’m way ahead of you, ’tis an evening for Jameson’s. I’ll be stoking the fireplace forthwith in anticipation of the woman’s arrival from the office.


  122. 123 | January 6, 2014 4:27 pm

    @ darkwords:

    There have actually been court cases about that very thing, and the Courts have consistently ruled that the police/government have no duty to protect you whatsoever. Think about that for a minute. They can’t and won’t protect you, but in many jurisdictions they also will not allow you the means or right to defend yourself. It was in New Mexico, but I don’t know New Mexico’s laws on self-defense and gun possession, so I don’t know whether the State has restrictions on self-defense or not. I’d find it hard to believe that he’d be indicted based on the evidence presented, or that he’d be convicted if indicted, but he might be. In my state, castle doctrine applies, but in my state he’d have been fine if he gunned them all down when they kicked in his door. The law frowns on home invasions where I live. Different States have different criteria for that, though.


  123. heysoos
    124 | January 6, 2014 4:29 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    big game tonight too, don’t forget


  124. buzzsawmonkey
    125 | January 6, 2014 4:31 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    big game tonight too, don’t forget

    Elephants? Rhinoceros? Hippo? Grizzly bear?


  125. heysoos
    126 | January 6, 2014 4:32 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    the kid in NM won’t be charged…if he is, the DA is an instant target…this is southern New Mexico, not America


  126. 127 | January 6, 2014 4:34 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    For the most part, they took it; there were a number of people who were his political opponents who clearly respected his integrity even if they disagreed with his positions, and some of them, I believe, voted for him because they trusted him even if they differed on matters of policy.

    I would not want to betray that legacy.

    That is a nice thing. Things certainly aren’t like that now, especially coming from the Left. They will do anything, and I do mean anything to keep the Right from being able to even articulate their position. Shouting down the opposition is why everything is racism from the Left. Personally, I believe that we should return fire. The Democrats have been the anti-American Party ever since they supported Democrat Jefferson Davis over the Republican Abe Lincoln. This current crop, though, makes the worst of the copperheads seem downright patriotic. They are supporting the worst of the worst against America, at least they are if the President is Republican. They’ve shut up with Obama in office, but, too, they know Obama is losing in Iraq and Afghanistan as quickly as he possibly can. He can only do what he can do. I halfway expect Obama to pardon Khalid Sheik Mohammed at the end of his term, especially if the Republican wins.


  127. 128 | January 6, 2014 4:36 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Cool. I know he shouldn’t be charged, but I didn’t know the facts on the ground. Some states will charge you no matter what if there’s a dead body involved. Others won’t. I’d never willingly move to a State where self-defense was not allowed.


  128. buzzsawmonkey
    129 | January 6, 2014 4:38 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I halfway expect Obama to pardon Khalid Sheik Mohammed at the end of his term, especially if the Republican wins.

    He’s already feinted towards releasing the Blind Sheik, and has released the sheik’s attorney.


  129. 130 | January 6, 2014 4:38 pm

    New Thread.


  130. 131 | January 6, 2014 4:40 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I expect Jahar Tsarnaev to be pardoned as well.


  131. heysoos
    132 | January 6, 2014 4:43 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    he’s a local hero (previous) type and good for the community..worked hard for his education, helps out the kids, very dedicated to his fighting even tho his won loss record sucks…he’s a popular guy…cholo gang bangers down here are highly regarded as worthy of instant death, and he coulda killed a second one and didn’t…you know how simple the trachea thing is…just one more blow


  132. 133 | January 6, 2014 4:45 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    released the sheik’s attorney

    An she was a co-conspirator, so releasing her is effectively releasing a terrorist. Despicable, but I think it is going to get worse, not better. The Left hate America, and have a soft spot in their heart for the Jihadis. That is why chick was helping the Blind Sheik in the first place. The Left no-doubt see her as a hero. Just as they see terrorist Bill Ayers as a hero.


  133. RIX
    134 | January 6, 2014 4:46 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    People were getting more & more dependent on government, but ObamaCare may be causing second thoughts.

    Second thoughts, maybe; but they’re still going to vote to ratify single-payer. They will get no other option presented to them by the Republicans this year, and the terror of slow, painful death and/or bankruptcy and/or watching their loved ones die horribly will stampede them into the waiting arms of Nancy Pelosi and Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

    That’s why I question Krauthammer on this. You can go broke betting against him, but I think that people would go for single payer. They would somehow make it look like the fault of Republicans.
    This is classic Sophistry, create the problem & then have the solution.


  134. 135 | January 6, 2014 4:48 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    you know how simple the trachea thing is…just one more blow

    Oh, yeah. That is why I don’t buy what they used to say about UCF possibly being “to the death”. They aren’t trying to kill each other. If they were, the fights would be much shorter and much more brutal. But this guy just seriously proved what the difference is between a well-trained martial artist and your average run o f the mill street tough. Sure. If he’d forced the issue, he could have killed all of them. Once they broke off the attack, he ceased trying to kill them. That is legally what he was required to do.


  135. 136 | January 6, 2014 4:50 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I expect Jahar Tsarnaev to be pardoned as well.

    Could be. Obama could use his youth as a reason to pardon him, especially if he gets the death penalty. Is that an option in Massachusetts? I think if they wanted to they could bring Federal terrorism charges against him, and that can carry the death penalty. Obama would never do that, though.


  136. buzzsawmonkey
    137 | January 6, 2014 4:55 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I think that people would go for single payer. They would somehow make it look like the fault of Republicans.

    I know people who already say that “Obamacare is bad only because he had to compromise with the Republicans.” The fact that no Republicans voted for it, and he had to bribe his own people to pass it, does not compute for them.

    And these are otherwise-intelligent people. Will it be difficult for the Democrats to blame all the “website glitches” and confusing plans and expenses on “the Republicans, who stopped us from giving you the simple single-payer we wanted to give you all along”? Of course not. They’re doing it already, while the Republicans continue to tie themselves to the railroad tracks and wait for the 11:04 Express to roll right over them.

    The low-info crowd will see Guaranteed Coverage! With No Website to Navigate! No Confusing Plans! And don’t worry any more about Grandma’s heart attack or little Susie’s broken arm! And they will leap for it.


  137. 138 | January 6, 2014 4:56 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Tsranaev is also a hero to Hipsters who are the backbone of the Dems. Freeing him will electrify them for Hillary.


  138. 139 | January 6, 2014 4:57 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Will it be difficult for the Democrats to blame all the “website glitches” and confusing plans and expenses on “the Republicans

    They already have!


  139. buzzsawmonkey
    140 | January 6, 2014 4:59 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Tsranaev is also a hero to Hipsters who are the backbone of the Dems. Freeing him will electrify them for Hillary.

    They want to re-shuffle the deck with the Dzhokhar in it?


  140. RIX
    141 | January 6, 2014 5:09 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    The low-info crowd will see Guaranteed Coverage! With No Website to Navigate! No Confusing Plans! And don’t worry any more about Grandma’s heart attack or little Susie’s broken arm! And they will leap for it.

    I think that’s right. And it is amazing to hear Dem office holders & pundits blame the Republicans for the Exchanges fiasco. They blame them for their opposition as if evil thoughts caused the glitches.


  141. 142 | January 6, 2014 5:12 pm

    I tell ya, it’s a good night to put all of those incriminating documents in the fireplace! Hot fire!


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