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Bill Whittle: The End of the Beginning

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Filed under Cult of Obama, Media, Tea Parties at January 7th, 2014 - 12:00 pm

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(h/t: Moonbattery and Gramfan)

Published on Dec 19, 2013 by PJ Media

You ain’t seen nothin’ yet. Its been almost a year since Obama gave his second inaugural, and this year has finally demonstrated to most people that he was a horrible choice for our country. The economy is in the slumps, and our healthcare system is in shambles. Voters might want to take note, and realize that Bill Whittle, and those like him, weren’t racist nor extremist–they were trying to save us from ruin.

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  1. 1 | January 7, 2014 12:20 pm

    this year has finally demonstrated to most people that he was a horrible choice for our country

    This is true, but the Left will never admit it, any more than they admitted Stalin was a bad man when he was starving millions of Ukrainians to death. Liberals believe in the power of the Narrative, and they will choose the narrative over reality anytime that they can. Obama has demonstrated that he’s “not very good at governing”, but they blame that on Republicans, not Obama. Even for his first two years when he had all sway and there was nothing that the Republicans could do to impede him in any way he blames Republicans for his failures. The Left will buy this, because they are not wedded to the truth. That is about 30-35% of our voting populace. Obama is down to 35% support in some polls, and he is unlikely to fall further. The question has become “What will the voters do about this?” Will we elect a Republican Senate? Only the election will tell us that. I am not a big fan of polls. Polls more often than t=not are telling you what the poll-taker wants you to believe, not really a measure of public opinion as it exists. It is very difficult to take a poll that is truly valid. I ran across one the other day on Obama, and it was grim. I know that it was a scientific poll because they included their methodology in the fine print of it, and told how they handled selecting poll respondents for such things as respondents that didn’t have internet access or telephone access. When they do something like that, they are trying to get real poll numbers. I can’t remember who it was that took the poll, though. I just remember being impressed with their methodology. How these numbers translate into votes, though, is what will decide our fate in November. We’ll see what we will see.


  2. 2 | January 7, 2014 12:24 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I am convinced that if Obama gave the order to his supporters to kill themselves to prove their love for him, about 15-30% would do it. Polls have him at an avaerage of 40% approval although Rasmussen has him at 48%. Regardless, taking the 40% number of that, 30% views him as a man-god sent to save the world. 10% supports him becasue he is Black.

    So for Obama’s re-elect numbers, which was 51% the break down was 30% messiah worship, 21% for being Black.

    It’s actually scary to think 30% of this country thinks Obama is a divine being.


  3. 3 | January 7, 2014 12:41 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    It’s actually scary to think 30% of this country thinks Obama is a divine being.

    I don’t think it is that high, but you can’t deny that some people really feel that way. I’ve never seen a US President worshipped in the way Obama is by some on the Left. Kennedy comes closest, but he is only revered because he was assassinated. The myths surrounding him (including the conspiracy stories) obscure a man who was really only an average President. Obama, though, is far below average. Much of his mythology is self-proclaimed, such as his claim to lower the temperature of the earth (and it got lower! See, he is like unto a god :roll: ) and halt the rise of the seas. I would hazard a guess that Obama is extremely cynical about these things. He knows he isn’t a god, but tries to sell his cult of personality as a vehicle to power. He is frustrated that he is not Dictator. He believes that is rightfully his place. America has never had another President like this, and when he is finally gone, lets hope that we never elect another.


  4. Bumr50
    4 | January 7, 2014 1:03 pm

    Threads are leaking.

    Somebody get some teflon tape!!


  5. rain of lead
    5 | January 7, 2014 1:05 pm

    need proof that Christie is the selected R for 2016

    This is how they do it, do it.

    Build up Chris Christie as the refreshingly moderate, blunt talking, cure-all for the “extremist” wing of the Republican Party.

    Then tear him down, down, down.

    From the NY Times on Christmas Eve, Stories Add Up as Bully Image Trails Christie

    http://legalinsurrection.com/


  6. 6 | January 7, 2014 1:23 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    Christie is who the Donks want for our candidate to be, just as were McCain and Romney. They know Christie will depress the conservative vote, and the y know that he is an unlikable man and that that will hurt him with moderates. One of the big factors where Obama trounced Romney was in “likability”. I don’t see that from Obama myself (his arrogance reminds me of Mussolini), but the average voter felt that he “cared” more about them. If they could do that to Romney, they’ll be able to do it in spades to Christie.


  7. lobo91
    7 | January 7, 2014 1:24 pm

    @ Rodan:

    It’s actually scary to think 30% of this country thinks Obama is a divine being.

    The really scary thing is that you seem to believe that.

    I’ve never met anyone who thinks Obama is a “divine being.” I’ve heard a couple of idiots say it on TV, but they were likely drunk and/or high.


  8. buzzsawmonkey
    8 | January 7, 2014 1:28 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    Chris Christie

    The Hind-End Burger reminds me of another giant gasbag that crashed and burned in New Jersey.


  9. rain of lead
    9 | January 7, 2014 1:29 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I think that 30% more likely see him as “their guy” (skin) or as some
    kind of super rock star

    speaking of rock stars
    has dorian been around much lately?


  10. rain of lead
    10 | January 7, 2014 1:29 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    “OH, the humanity!”
    (sobs)


  11. 11 | January 7, 2014 1:31 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’ve heard a couple of idiots say it on TV, but they were likely drunk and/or high.

    That is possible. But Obama does have a cult of personality going on, and that is scary enough on its own. Don’t forget about the school teacher that had her (was in kindergarten?) class singing hymns to Obama and such. You won’t find that kind of person around here, but they do exist in places like New York and California. I think most of “Obama’s worshippers” are in it for the government cheese, rather than as a real cultic figure. They want their Obama-Phones and free healthcare. They are going to be floored when they find out that they have to pay substantial money for a “free” policy that doesn’t even pay for it when they go to the doctor. I think over the next year disillusionment is going to become very common on the Left.


  12. rain of lead
    12 | January 7, 2014 1:33 pm

    Time needs to check their past issues

    http://weaselzippers.us/?p=166918

    In 1974, Time Magazine blamed the cold polar vortex on global cooling

    Forty years later, Time Magazine blames the cold polar vortex on global warming


  13. 13 | January 7, 2014 1:35 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    Everything is caused by Global Warming now. We’ve always been at war with East Asia… :roll:


  14. rain of lead
    14 | January 7, 2014 1:35 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    cue the wailing and knashing of teeth


  15. 15 | January 7, 2014 1:36 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    That’s the part I like. If Liberals are miserable, something is going right somewhere. The more miserable they are, the better.


  16. lobo91
    16 | January 7, 2014 1:38 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    And you know who was one of the main proponents of the “Global cooling” fad?

    James Hansen


  17. 17 | January 7, 2014 1:39 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I think the reason Obama has a shadowy past is to create the auora of mystery to his origins. This helps the Obama is god-king theme. In many respects, the birthers helped create this divine view of Obama. There are many who believe the reason he has a fake Birth Certificate is becasue Obama is not human. There are some weird birth stories I read about the guy.


  18. lobo91
    18 | January 7, 2014 1:40 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I think it’s pretty unlikely that many on the far left actually believe that Obama is any sort of “divine being” if for no other reason than that most of them are atheists.


  19. rain of lead
    19 | January 7, 2014 1:40 pm

    geez rush just said Obama plans on staying in DC just to make sure
    any of his “stuff” will not be changed or unwound. he will never leave
    the media will treat him like the acting co-president and will hang on his every word

    uggh

    I can see it


  20. rain of lead
    20 | January 7, 2014 1:41 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ rain of lead:

    And you know who was one of the main proponents of the “Global cooling” fad?

    James Hansen

    the irony, it burns like dry ice


  21. 21 | January 7, 2014 1:44 pm

    @ lobo91:

    The really scary thing is that you seem to believe that.

    I’ve never met anyone who thinks Obama is a “divine being.” I’ve heard a couple of idiots say it on TV, but they were likely drunk and/or high.

    -

    I have met people who have told me he has been sent by the “Galactic spirit” to save humankind. Another person told me he is an extraterrestrial, hence why his birth is shadowed in mystery.

    Look at Chris Matthews who called him “the perfect man” or Jamie Foxx who declared him Lord and Savior. On many Lefty blogs, they refer to Obama as a the Light Worker. Evan Thomas called Obama, god.

    There is an emotional attachment to this man the likes I have never seen. It’s an esoteric cult. If you have not encounter these people, consider yourself lucky. :-)


  22. lobo91
    22 | January 7, 2014 1:45 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    Sort of like this?

    McConnell Emphasizes Tea Party Ties In Filing For Reelection


  23. buzzsawmonkey
    23 | January 7, 2014 1:47 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I think it’s pretty unlikely that many on the far left actually believe that Obama is any sort of “divine being” if for no other reason than that most of them are atheists.

    And, Obama is not a fat over-made-up drag queen who eats dog shit, like a real Divine being…


  24. rain of lead
    24 | January 7, 2014 1:47 pm

    @ lobo91:

    ow ow ow.


  25. lobo91
    25 | January 7, 2014 1:48 pm

    @ Rodan:

    That’s not 30% of the population, though. You can find a handful of people who believe just about any idiotic crap.

    The whole thing about lizards living under the Denver airport that LGF adopted came from people who actually believe it, after all.


  26. lobo91
    26 | January 7, 2014 1:49 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    And, Obama is not a fat over-made-up drag queen who eats dog shit, like a real Divine being…

    That description better fits his wife…


  27. Bumr50
    27 | January 7, 2014 1:50 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    The whole thing about lizards living under the Denver airport that LGF adopted came from people who actually believe it, after all.

    I never knew that.

    David Ickes?


  28. buzzsawmonkey
    28 | January 7, 2014 1:51 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    That description better fits his wife…

    Our next president!


  29. 29 | January 7, 2014 1:51 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I’ve never met anyone like that, nor ever been in a place where anyone like that would be willing to confess to believing that. He does have a Cult of Personality going on, though, like Stalin or Hitler only on a smaller scale. It amounts to a form of idolatry, with Obama being the living embodiment of the idol. I don’t know if the people who feel this way would agree to that characterization of them, but it is what it is.


  30. eaglesoars
    30 | January 7, 2014 1:51 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    geez rush just said Obama plans on staying in DC just to make sure
    any of his “stuff” will not be changed or unwound. he will never leave
    the media will treat him like the acting co-president and will hang on his every word

    yeah, I’ve been listening while doing my work. It does make sense. A bit like the ‘shadow cabinet’ in the UK. I’m thinking he might just head up OFA, from where he could control a lot of money going to donks -- if you aren’t radical enough for him, he’ll find somebody who is and shovel all the money THAT direction.


  31. 31 | January 7, 2014 1:51 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    Time needs to check their past issues
    http://weaselzippers.us/?p=166918
    In 1974, Time Magazine blamed the cold polar vortex on global cooling
    Forty years later, Time Magazine blames the cold polar vortex on global warming

    “Chocolate rations have been increased from eighty grams to fifty”


  32. buzzsawmonkey
    32 | January 7, 2014 1:53 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Chocolate rations have been increased from eighty grams to fifty”

    Candygram for Mongo!


  33. 33 | January 7, 2014 1:53 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I saw on H2 America uncovered they talked about the secret tunnels under Denver. They debunked the theory.


  34. 34 | January 7, 2014 1:55 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    You can find a handful of people who believe just about any idiotic crap

    That is certainly true. Jim Jones, after all, drew his supporters from the hard Left (“Peoples Temple”). He also famously believed his own bullshit, as evidenced by the fact that at the end he drank his own Kool-Aid. I don’t expect that Obama would do anything that spectacular, but I don’t doubt that there are losers who believe in him that way. Just not around here, or in any of the circles I travel in.


  35. rain of lead
    35 | January 7, 2014 1:55 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    hey dg, was just wondering about you
    you still without a job?
    yeah, me too. :(

    sucks big time


  36. 36 | January 7, 2014 1:56 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Obama is a community organizer and will be around for decades. he loves the adulation of the crowd.


  37. lobo91
    37 | January 7, 2014 1:57 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    You thought CJ came up with that by himself?

    There are all sorts of looney theories abut DIA


  38. rain of lead
    38 | January 7, 2014 1:57 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I have always belived that when Obama’s term ends he will look to be Sec Gen of the UN

    President of the world, baby!


  39. Bumr50
    39 | January 7, 2014 1:57 pm

    @ Rodan:

    That show is bullsh*t.


  40. coldwarrior
    40 | January 7, 2014 1:58 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    the obama halo pictures and indoctrination juche style shows me some folks see him as divine


  41. 41 | January 7, 2014 1:58 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Here’s the thing, Many Leftists maybe Atheists, but humans are spiritual beings. Something fills that void. Obama fills the spiritual void many have him in. The media does his pics with halos in the background. This is design to create the aurora of god-king.


  42. 42 | January 7, 2014 1:59 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Some of their episodes aregood. But alot of it goes into weird esoteric subjects.


  43. 43 | January 7, 2014 1:59 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I have always belived that when Obama’s term ends he will look to be Sec Gen of the UN
    President of the world, baby!

    That si exactly what I forsee happening.


  44. 44 | January 7, 2014 2:01 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ Iron Fist:

    Obama as deity is being taught in schools.


  45. 45 | January 7, 2014 2:03 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    I can certainly see him doing something like that. He’ll also go on the speaking circuit, where he’ll get millions of dollars for giving “motivational” speeches in exchange for his unofficial imprimatur on government contracts and the like. We’ll likely not be free of Obama in my lifetime, unless the United States does fragment. In about 12 years, the money going for entitlements and the service on the debt will equal the entire revenue of the Federal government, leaving nothing for things like infrastructure and defense (things that the Federal government is really supposed to be for). I don’t know what happens then, but things will definitely change. We won’t be able to coast along borrowing and blowing a trillion a year just for the shits and giggles of it.


  46. 46 | January 7, 2014 2:04 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    They would have to re-do the UN charter for that to happen. The Secretary General can’t be from a Veto Power on the Security Council. I have no doubt that Clinton wanted that position for himself as well, but that has gone nowhere.


  47. 47 | January 7, 2014 2:07 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Oh, they want to present that Image. That is typical totalitarian propaganda. The only difference between that and what Goebbels cranked out is that in Obama’s case the supposedly free press was doing the propagandizing rather than an official State organ. I don’t think that the people doing the propagandizing actually believe Obama is the messiah. They are just promoting that image as propaganda to influence the weak-minded.


  48. rain of lead
    48 | January 7, 2014 2:08 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    just because it would be hard does not mean they can’t do it

    “hey, lookie here, Obama really was born in Kenya.’
    “who knew?”


  49. heysoos
    49 | January 7, 2014 2:09 pm

    I would think that once out of office BO would concentrate on his personal health and safety


  50. lobo91
    50 | January 7, 2014 2:09 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Secretary General of the UN has no actual power. It’s about as meaningful as being Senate President Pro Tempore (minus the presidential succession part).


  51. lobo91
    51 | January 7, 2014 2:10 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I don’t think that the people doing the propagandizing actually believe Obama is the messiah. They are just promoting that image as propaganda to influence the weak-minded.

    Exactly


  52. lobo91
    52 | January 7, 2014 2:12 pm

    Pastafarian Sworn Into Office Wearing A Colander

    Christopher Schaeffer, a member of the “Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster,” was sworn in as a member of the Pomfret Town Council in New York wearing a colander, the Observer reported.

    “It’s just a statement about religious freedom,” he told the Observer. “It’s a religion without any dogma.”

    The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster was formed to poke fun at organized religion.

    An atheist student group in Wisconsin petitioned the state to put a Flying Spaghetti Monster in the state Capitol along with other Christmas displays in December.


  53. rain of lead
    53 | January 7, 2014 2:15 pm

    @ lobo91:

    This country is DOOMED!

    f it
    let it burn


  54. lobo91
    54 | January 7, 2014 2:16 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    This country is DOOMED!

    f it
    let it burn

    I’m not sure there’s much we can do to stop it, at this point


  55. eaglesoars
    55 | January 7, 2014 2:16 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I can certainly see him doing something like that. He’ll also go on the speaking circuit, where he’ll get millions of dollars for giving “motivational” speeches in exchange for his unofficial imprimatur on government contracts and the like. We’ll likely not be free of Obama in my lifetime,

    I can. People are already sick of him. Can you imagine seeing him in the news twice a week spouting his bullshit? I think there’s a good chance people will just tune him out.


  56. rain of lead
    56 | January 7, 2014 2:17 pm

    hmmmm
    we’ll see

    Historic Low Ratings for NBC’s ‘Meet the Press’ Could Spell End of Gregory as Host


    Just when it seemed that NBC’s Meet the Press couldn’t sink any lower, ratings for the last three months of 2013 for the Sunday morning news/interview show fell to its lowest level since the third quarter of 1992. That development has added to the speculation that liberal David Gregory might be on his way out as host.

    From October through December, NBC’s program came in third place for total viewers — behind CBS’s Face the Nation and ABC’s This Week — and the numbers among viewers in the important demographic from 25 to 54 years of age collapsed to their lowest level in the program’s history.


  57. 57 | January 7, 2014 2:19 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I’ve never paid that much attention to the UN. I argued myself into a “D” in International Law arguing that it effectively didn’t exist. That it was a useful construct for having relations between States, but when the rubber met the road it was still all about the kind of force that you could bring to bear on the situation. I think the time following 9-11 is proof of this. The “International Community” wasn’t going to do a damned thing about Muslim terrorism. What was going to be done was going to be spearheaded by American military might, and those along for the ride were more “goodwill” gestures than effective fighting forces. Even Britain contributed only so much. But I was worried less about building coalitions as I was in seeing that the right people got dead over the affair. As things turned out, our leadership wasn’t too keen on that answer, either. But there was nothing that International Law was going to do to reduce the Muslim threat.


  58. eaglesoars
    58 | January 7, 2014 2:19 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    NBC’s bench isn’t all that deep. I think Gregory is safe for now


  59. rain of lead
    59 | January 7, 2014 2:20 pm

    that’s why I said we’ll see


  60. 60 | January 7, 2014 2:22 pm

    @ lobo91:

    You’ll note that these “brave atheists” never try to hack on Islam when they are trying to make fun of religion. Indeed, I never see them hack on anyone but Christians. You don’t see them taking on Hindus or Buddhists, either. They know for all their bullshit about the “Christian Taliban” that the Christian Right is no threat to them (physically, at any rate), while the real Taliban like to kill people. Something that they have in common with Obama, by his own admission.


  61. 61 | January 7, 2014 2:23 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Atheists are allied with Islam.


  62. lobo91
    62 | January 7, 2014 2:24 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The main purpose of the UN is to give people from third world countries an excuse to live in NYC at someone else’s expense.

    It does absolutely nothing that couldn’t be done better by private organizations, at much lower cost.


  63. coldwarrior
    63 | January 7, 2014 2:25 pm

    @ lobo91:

    pastafari!!!!!

    this is a huge victory for the FSM!

    WWFSM do?

    :lol:


  64. buzzsawmonkey
    64 | January 7, 2014 2:25 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    let it burn

    Let it Burn! Let it Burn! Let it Burn!
    —apologies to Sammy Cahn, Jule Styne, and “Let it Snow!”

    Oh, the fiscal precipice is looming
    A crisis the President’s been grooming
    And since there’s nowhere to turn,
    Let it burn! Let it burn! Let it burn!

    No, Obama is not intending
    To rein in his runaway spending
    He just wants to punish those who earn;
    Let it burn! Let it burn! Let it burn!

    Yes, we’re facing fiscal collapse
    The predictions will be fulfilled
    But if we get over with it, perhaps
    The sooner we can start to rebuild

    Since the executive of the nation
    Won’t engage in negotiation
    His proposals then must be spurned
    Let it burn! Let it burn! Let it burn!


  65. 65 | January 7, 2014 2:25 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I don’t see how NBC stays on the air, frankly, and especially MSNBC. Not in news, at any rate. I have no clue about NBC’s entertainment lineup. I guess maybe they bank the bucks in entertainment to finance the loser news shows, but you’d think that fiduciary good faith would require NBC/MSNBC to change their extremist lineup. The reason that Fox is doing well is that they have virtually no competition. If MSNBC were to ditch the hard-left, and act as a fair arbiter in the press, their ratings couldn’t help but go up.


  66. 66 | January 7, 2014 2:28 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Oh, I believe you in that. I’ve never held the UN in any kind of esteem. It should have never been created. The League of Nations failed, and, in truth, the UN has failed as well. It is megatons of nuclear firepower that has kept the relative peace between the great powers relatively unbroken. That regimen may be coming to an end. Obama wants to reduce our nuclear weapons stocks drastically, without regard to what the Russians, Chinese, and even Iranians do. That won’t end well.


  67. heysoos
    67 | January 7, 2014 2:32 pm

    the primary goal of the UN is to stay to stay alive, like any other power/profit entity…the rest is just the front that props them up…a total and complete waste of energy and resources


  68. buzzsawmonkey
    68 | January 7, 2014 2:32 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I don’t see how NBC stays on the air, frankly, and especially MSNBC.

    MSNBC, as a cable channel, gets money from the cable subscriptions, regardless of its ratings.


  69. 69 | January 7, 2014 2:32 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yeah, I see that, but I don’t fully understand that. I know Leftists will cooperate with anyone to further their goals, but not all Atheists are Leftists. It is very rare that you see an Atheist willing to confront Islam, though. What’s his name, the Brit guy that died in the last year or two, Christopher Hitchens would take on the Islamists, but I can’t think of another single atheist that does.


  70. 70 | January 7, 2014 2:34 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Maybe that is it, then, but they still have to rely on advertising dollars, don’t they? Their ratings are abysmal. Gore’s Current TV did even worse than MSNBC. He was lucky to be able to pawn that off on Aljazeera. Big money sucks is all these operations are.


  71. eaglesoars
    71 | January 7, 2014 2:35 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    MSNBC, as a cable channel, gets money from the cable subscriptions, regardless of its ratings.

    correct. which is why al jazeera paid so much for current tv -- and is still on the air.


  72. buzzsawmonkey
    72 | January 7, 2014 2:35 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    What’s his name, the Brit guy that died in the last year or two, Christopher Hitchens would take on the Islamists, but I can’t think of another single atheist that does.

    Pat Condell has been willing to go after the Islamists—and in the process he’s learned that even if he doesn’t like Western religions either, there is a difference between religions.


  73. lobo91
    73 | January 7, 2014 2:35 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    You couldn’t design a more useless organization if you tried, really.

    The General Assembly is an absolute waste. It’s about as significant as an elementary school student council.

    And the design of the Security Council is idiotic. Giving 5 nations veto power, where you’re never going to see more than 3 of them on the same side of any issue, pretty much guarantees permanent deadlock on anything significant.


  74. Bumr50
    74 | January 7, 2014 2:35 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Search the universe for planets rich in parmesan and red pepper flakes.


  75. lobo91
    75 | January 7, 2014 2:37 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    MSNBC, as a cable channel, gets money from the cable subscriptions, regardless of its ratings.

    correct. which is why al jazeera paid so much for current tv — and is still on the air.

    Of course, al Jazeera doesn’t need to make any money. It’s subsidized by Emirati money.


  76. lobo91
    76 | January 7, 2014 2:39 pm

    Another student of the Nancy Pelosi School of Economics:

    Obama: Extending Unemployment Benefits “Creates New Jobs”…


  77. 77 | January 7, 2014 2:39 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    You are right. I forgot about him. Yeah, I don’t see how anybody who’s been alive for the last 14 years could not see that there is a huge difference between Islam and all other world religions. The shear magnitude of the violence from Islam makes Christians look like choir boys, even if you go back to the Crusades and Inquisition. Islam may not kill as many people worldwide in the 21st Century as Communism did in the 20th, but they look like they are trying to max out their kill ratio, and Iran is nearing having nuclear weapons.


  78. heysoos
    78 | January 7, 2014 2:39 pm

    militant atheists are really on my shit list…some people just refuse to mind their own damned business…there is no need to trash Christians, except to express your own flimsy insecurities…best thing an atheist can do is stfu and go help feed the poor


  79. 79 | January 7, 2014 2:39 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    but I don’t fully understand that.

    Progressive Atheists view Islam as a counter force to Christianity. They admire it’s Totalitarian system and mockery of Christianity. Islam is Hip to them.


  80. coldwarrior
    80 | January 7, 2014 2:39 pm

    pastafarians, pirates, and global warming

    Pirates and global warming
    chart showing that in 1820 there were 25,000 pirates and the global average temperature was 14.2 degrees C, while in 2000 there were 17 pirates and the global average temperature was 15.9 degrees C.
    A chart that, according to Bobby Henderson, correlates the number of pirates with global temperature

    According to Pastafarian “beliefs”, pirates are “absolute divine beings” and the original Pastafarians.[7] Furthermore, Pastafarians believe that the concept of pirates as “thieves and outcasts” is misinformation spread by Christian theologians in the Middle Ages and by Hare Krishnas. Instead, Pastafarians believe that they were “peace-loving explorers and spreaders of good will” who distributed candy to small children, adding that modern pirates are in no way similar to “the fun-loving buccaneers from history”. In addition, Pastafarians believe that ghost pirates are responsible for all of the mysteriously lost ships and planes of the Bermuda Triangle. Pastafarians celebrate International Talk Like a Pirate Day on September 19.[38]

    The inclusion of pirates in Pastafarianism was part of Henderson’s original letter to the Kansas State Board of Education, in an effort to illustrate that correlation does not imply causation.[39] Henderson presented the argument that “global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of pirates since the 1800s.”[7] A chart accompanying the letter (with numbers humorously disordered on the x-axis) shows that as the number of pirates decreased, global temperatures increased. This parodies the suggestion from some religious groups that the high numbers of disasters, famines, and wars in the world is due to the lack of respect and worship toward their deity. In 2008, Henderson interpreted the growing pirate activities at the Gulf of Aden as additional support, pointing out that Somalia has “the highest number of pirates and the lowest carbon emissions of any country”.[40]


  81. 81 | January 7, 2014 2:40 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    even if you go back to the Crusades and Inquisition.

    Which pales in comparison to the 7th Century Jihad and the genocide in Northern India in the 9th Century.


  82. 82 | January 7, 2014 2:41 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Read up on the Church of the Subgenious! :lol:


  83. lobo91
    83 | January 7, 2014 2:42 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Someone clearly had too much time on his hands…


  84. heysoos
  85. coldwarrior
    85 | January 7, 2014 2:47 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Search the universe for planets rich in parmesan and red pepper flakes.

    ah yes!

    r’amen!


  86. coldwarrior
    86 | January 7, 2014 2:48 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Read up on the Church of the Subgenious!

    i am already an ordained minister and have been to a devival.

    may bob be with you


  87. coldwarrior
    87 | January 7, 2014 2:49 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Someone clearly had too much time on his hands…

    its actually quite funny if you read about it.


  88. 88 | January 7, 2014 2:49 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Correlation isn’t causation. That is the first thing they try to drill into you when you start studying statistics. You can make correlations out of just about anything. This is one of the core, central scientific facts that the Global Warming hoax “scientists” routinely and deliberately get wrong. They correlated a rise in CO2 and a rise in temperature, therefore Global Warming is cause by humans driving SUVs. In logic, inconsistent premises are always logically valid, but they tell you nothing about causation. The perpetrators of the Global Warming Hoax know that most people aren’t taught logic and statistics, so they feel free to abuse them however they like to sell their snake oil.


  89. coldwarrior
    89 | January 7, 2014 2:51 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    AK47-1
    bad guys-0
    http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/eric-scheiner/resident-turns-home-invaders-ak-47

    heh.

    i like it


  90. BatGuano
    90 | January 7, 2014 2:54 pm

    I like Whittle’s imagery, ” Roof rats roasting over an open fire…”


  91. 91 | January 7, 2014 2:55 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Heh. But nobody needs an “assault” weapon, because you don’t defend yourself with an “assault weapon”. There’s really nothing better to have. You don’t expected to get into an extended firefight, but why have to change magazines at all? And, too, like this guy you may face multiple home invaders (in fact, that may be the norm for home invasion robberies and murders). There is something to be said for outgunning your attackers. I think it was Stalin who said (of infantrymen) that “Quantity has a quality of its own”.


  92. lobo91
    92 | January 7, 2014 3:02 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    “Global Warming” is a perfect scam, really. Almost no one actually understands the science behind the claims (including most of its supporters), so it’s entirely based on an “appeal to authority.” Al Gore couldn’t begin to explain it, yet he’s considered an authority on the subject.

    As actual observations are shown to diverge from their theories, they just change the theories. Basically, everything is now caused by “global warming,” with the exception of actual temperature increases.

    In a sane world, these people would be laughed off the stage. Of course, in a sane world, Barack Obama would be selling sunglasses from a cart at the mall.


  93. BatGuano
    93 | January 7, 2014 3:05 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Barack Obama would be selling sunglasses from a cart at the mall.

    Or living in a van by the river.


  94. lobo91
    94 | January 7, 2014 3:05 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    And, too, like this guy you may face multiple home invaders (in fact, that may be the norm for home invasion robberies and murders).

    It is the norm. Home invasions are always based on the idea of quickly overwhelming the occupants, even if they may have a gun, to prevent them from fighting back.


  95. lobo91
    95 | January 7, 2014 3:16 pm

    Christie Gushes Over Illegal Immigrants: “You Are An Inspiration”…

    The background of school kids is a nice Obamaesque touch


  96. 96 | January 7, 2014 3:17 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I thought it might be. It’s been about a decade, but my last girlfriend’s mother was nearly killed in a home invasion. This was just one guy, but she was an old woman (late 70s, maybe even early 80s). He chocked her out with a bed sheet, and left her for dead. The cops told her to buy a gun and keep it handy. It really is the only option she’d have had to defend herself. I don’t know if she’d have pulled the trigger, though. The ideal world would be where home invaders simply didn’t have a chance. People like this guy would maybe think twice if they knew they were likely to get killed for it.


  97. 97 | January 7, 2014 3:19 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Gore said Florida would be under water by now. Aint happened.


  98. 98 | January 7, 2014 3:21 pm

    Here’s something Obama is no doubt proud of:

    The anti-Christian sentiment of Muslims in Libya has now reached a new, official level; the Libyan government has declared its new constitution will be based on Shariah law.

    The Libyan General National Congress stated, “Islamic law is the source of legislation in Libya. All state institutions need to comply with this.” This is a change from the policy under former Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi, who allowed Libya’s 300,000 Coptic Christians, 5% of its population, to openly practice their faith.

    Reports assert that a special committee is examining current laws to make sure they comply with Shariah. Patrick Sookhdeo, international director for human rights group The Barnabus Fund, told FoxNews.com, “Christians and others in the Middle East have every right to want a free, autocratic society. NATO went to war in Libya on the basis of a full democracy. But what we have ended up with is a fractured government in which religious extremism of the worst kind has now taken over the government. The concern is that this conflict has produced the exact opposite of a democratic government.” Sookhdeo compared what is happening to Libya to what occurred in Egypt, where Mohammed Morsi’s Islamic government also tried to make Shariah the law of the land, adding, “They [Christians] will not have full citizenship.”

    Ain’t that nice? Of course, the people who killed Christopher Stevens are still out and about in Libya, too. One of Obama’s foreign policy successes.


  99. lobo91
    99 | January 7, 2014 3:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Gore said Florida would be under water by now. Aint happened.

    I don’t think anything Gore has predicted has actually happened.

    Doesn’t seem to have slowed him down any, though.


  100. RIX
    100 | January 7, 2014 3:25 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Gore said Florida would be under water by now. Aint happened.

    I don’t think anything Gore has predicted has actually happened.

    Doesn’t seem to have slowed him down any, though.

    Gore just found a niche & jumped all over it. He is not particularly bright or an effective speaker, but he is now a gazillionaire.


  101. buzzsawmonkey
    101 | January 7, 2014 3:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Of course, in a sane world, Barack Obama would be selling sunglasses from a cart at the mall.

    In a sane world he’d be turning five dollar tricks to support his crack habit.


  102. 102 | January 7, 2014 3:31 pm

    @ RIX:

    Yep, and apparently quite the slimeball, too. I always wondered why “straight-laced” Gore put up with being associated with Clinton. I guess we know now that it is because there wasn’t a whole lot of difference between the two of them.


  103. eaglesoars
    103 | January 7, 2014 3:32 pm

    @ lobo91:

    don’t forget -- new season of Justified starts tonite


  104. eaglesoars
    104 | January 7, 2014 3:33 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I guess we know now that it is because there wasn’t a whole lot of difference between the two of them.

    I heard he groped a masseuse in some hotel and Tipper finally booted his ass.


  105. lobo91
    105 | January 7, 2014 3:33 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yup. My DVR’s on it


  106. 106 | January 7, 2014 3:36 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yep, he apparently jumped on the lady, who wasn’t a prostitute, and she went public with it. No telling how many others there were who kept their mouths shut. You have to give Tipper that. She didn’t do like Hillary Clinton and come out to “save her man”. She dropped Gore like a bad habit. I imagine that she got a pretty good settlement out of the divorce.


  107. 107 | January 7, 2014 3:36 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Someone should throw that 2006 movie back at him. None of it has come to pass.


  108. lobo91
    108 | January 7, 2014 3:38 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Someone should throw that 2006 movie back at him. None of it has come to pass.

    That’s the great thing about their scam. If their predictions don’t come true, they can claim success in their efforts.


  109. BatGuano
    109 | January 7, 2014 3:39 pm

    @ Rodan:
    CBS will get on that.


  110. 110 | January 7, 2014 3:40 pm

    · @ buzzsawmonkey:

    In a sane world he’d be turning five dollar tricks to support his crack habit.

    With his preference of men.


  111. 111 | January 7, 2014 3:41 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    CBS will get on that.

    Yeah and that beach in South Dakota is awesome!

    :lol:


  112. 112 | January 7, 2014 3:41 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Hey look record cold proves Global warming. It’s just unreal!


  113. lobo91
    113 | January 7, 2014 3:43 pm

    At least someone gets it:

    GOP Rep. Broun: Dems Only Have A Shot In Georgia If They Legalize ‘Aliens’

    “The only way Georgia is going to change is if we have all these illegal aliens in here in Georgia, [and] give them the right to vote,” Broun continued. “It would be morally wrong, it would be illegal to do so, under our current law. Actually, all these illegal aliens are getting federal largesse and taking taxpayer’s dollars.”

    “That’s the only way this state is going to become Democratic again, in the next number of decades,” he said.

    Broun also seemed to take a jab at one of his primary opponents, Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA), who’s considered the more moderate of the top tier candidates running in the GOP primary to succeed Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA).

    “The only way that a Democrat has any possibility of winning this race—and frankly, I think it is very minor at that—is if we nominate a mamby-pamby, big-spender, big-government, big-earmarking Republican who is nothing but somebody who wants to build a bigger government, just like we’ve seen both parties build in Washington,” Broun said. “That may give a Democrat the chance to win. But otherwise, when I’m nominated, I’ll be the most-electable candidate out of the whole Republican field that’s out there now in this race.”


  114. BatGuano
    114 | January 7, 2014 3:44 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Yeah and that beach in South Dakota is awesome!

    Dude! I snorkeled there!


  115. 115 | January 7, 2014 3:45 pm

    @ Rodan:

    When truth holds no special value for you, you can say anything with a straight face. I bet Obama could pass a lie detector test while asserting that the Moon was made of cheese and the sun rises in the West. Truth is meaningless to him. There is only the Narrative.


  116. 116 | January 7, 2014 3:50 pm

    @ lobo91:

    He’s right. That is the whole point of Amnesty. And the Republicans look like they are willing to go along with that. They really are the Stupid Party.


  117. RIX
    117 | January 7, 2014 3:51 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Yep, and apparently quite the slimeball, too. I always wondered why “straight-laced” Gore put up with being associated with Clinton. I guess we know now that it is because there wasn’t a whole lot of difference between the two of them.

    Yeah, Gore was alway a fraud. With all of his negatives, at least Clinton would be fun to have some drinks with,
    ‘”Come Bill, what’s the straight scoop on the Monica thing?”


  118. lobo91
    118 | January 7, 2014 3:52 pm

    The left’s next scam?

    Something B. I. G. Is Coming To America! Progressive/Commies Push For Solution To Income Inequality

    Over the next few months you will hear the word “BIG” bandied about quite a lot. BIG is an acronym. It stands for: “Basic Income Guarantee” and that is what the democrats will be pushing for between now and the election in November.

    Here’s a bit more on BIG: “The basic income guarantee (BIG) is a government insured guarantee that no citizen’s income will fall below some minimal level for any reason. All citizens would receive a BIG without means test or work requirement. BIG is an efficient and effective solution to poverty that preserves individual autonomy and work incentives while simplifying government social policy. Some researchers estimate that a small BIG, sufficient to cut the poverty rate in half could be financed without an increase in taxes by redirecting funds from spending programs and tax deductions aimed at maintaining incomes.”

    You DID notice the sentence: “All citizens would receive a BIG without means test or work requirement.” didn’t you?

    Again, it all boils down to redistribution of the nations wealth, which means—YOUR wealth—taken from you and given to someone who did not earn it and does not deserve it.


  119. eaglesoars
    119 | January 7, 2014 3:56 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    could be financed without an increase in taxes by redirecting funds from spending programs and tax deductions aimed at maintaining incomes.”

    eliminating tax deductions? like mortgage interest? there goes the housing market.


  120. buzzsawmonkey
    120 | January 7, 2014 3:59 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    You DID notice the sentence: “All citizens would receive a BIG without means test or work requirement.” didn’t you?

    …and without any vetting as to citizenship, either…


  121. lobo91
    121 | January 7, 2014 4:00 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    could be financed without an increase in taxes by redirecting funds from spending programs and tax deductions aimed at maintaining incomes.”

    eliminating tax deductions? like mortgage interest? there goes the housing market.

    And eliminating tax deductions is the same thing as a tax increase


  122. lobo91
    122 | January 7, 2014 4:01 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    You DID notice the sentence: “All citizens would receive a BIG without means test or work requirement.” didn’t you?

    …and without any vetting as to citizenship, either…

    Of course


  123. eaglesoars
    123 | January 7, 2014 4:07 pm

    off to do some reading while the chicken pot pies are in the oven


  124. 124 | January 7, 2014 4:08 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    At least 40% of the nation would believe the moon was cheese if Obama and Jon Stewart said so.


  125. 125 | January 7, 2014 4:08 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Nixon proposed that back in 72.


  126. 126 | January 7, 2014 4:11 pm

    New Thread.


  127. lobo91
    127 | January 7, 2014 4:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Nixon proposed that back in 72.

    It’s what basically became the EITC


  128. buzzsawmonkey
    128 | January 7, 2014 4:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Nixon proposed that back in 72.

    I believe it was McGovern, not Nixon, who proposed a guaranteed annual income.


  129. lobo91
    129 | January 7, 2014 4:18 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    Nixon proposed that back in 72.

    I believe it was McGovern, not Nixon, who proposed a guaranteed annual income.

    Nixon proposed a “negative income tax,” which is what became the Earned Income Tax Credit.


  130. lobo91
    130 | January 7, 2014 4:24 pm

    Negative Income Tax


  131. buzzsawmonkey
    131 | January 7, 2014 4:32 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Nixon proposed a “negative income tax,” which is what became the Earned Income Tax Credit.

    My understanding of the Earned Income Tax Credit—admittedly faulty—is that it is a tax break of some kind, not a “negative income tax.” I’ll have to read the article to which you posted a link—but a quick look at that reveals that whatever Nixon’s proposal may have been, McGovern went much farther with his guaranteed-income proposal.


  132. lobo91
    132 | January 7, 2014 4:44 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I’ll have to read the article to which you posted a link—but a quick look at that reveals that whatever Nixon’s proposal may have been, McGovern went much farther with his guaranteed-income proposal.

    He did.

    The EITC is a “refundable” tax credit, which means even with no tax liability, you still get it. They end up sending you a check


  133. 133 | January 7, 2014 4:50 pm

    @ lobo91:

    It is a mechanism for redistribution of wealth. It is a socialist scheme meant to take money mainly from the Middle Class and redistribute it to the poor. I think that you do have to have some earned outside income, but you don’t have to have any real liability. It is, as you said, refundable, so at the end of the year Uncle Sugar cuts you a check for more than you’ve paid in.


  134. lobo91
    134 | January 7, 2014 4:51 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The main complaint about the McGovern plan is interesting:

    Thus, it would have converted roughly half the population into federal tax beneficiaries while the other half of the population would have paid for these transfers along with the cost of all other federal activities.

    Sounds pretty much like the situation we’re in right now.


  135. lobo91
    135 | January 7, 2014 4:52 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Actually, you don’t. That’s another Orwellian misnomer. You can have an income of zero and still collect it.


  136. buzzsawmonkey
    136 | January 7, 2014 4:53 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Sounds pretty much like the situation we’re in right now.

    So Obama may not be able to govern, but he can McGovern?


  137. lobo91
    137 | January 7, 2014 4:54 pm

    Obama Forgets Who His Base Is: Nobody Would “Rather Have An Unemployment Check Than Having A Job”…

    President Obama said at a White House event Tuesday that the long-term unemployed “just want a shot” and that nobody would rather have unemployment benefits than a job.

    “I can’t name a time where I met an American who would rather have an unemployment check than the pride of having a job,” Obama said.

    I guess he’s doing comedy now…


  138. 138 | January 7, 2014 5:02 pm

    @ lobo91:

    While he is noting that people would like to have jobs, maybe he’d like to discuss why the labor participation rate is so low now? It ain’t like the Obama Economy has given these people much in the way of a choice. In general, though, his base doesn’t want unemployment. They want EBT and housing projects and the like. Drawing unemployment implies you are looking for a job, and those people aren’t looking for jobs.


  139. buzzsawmonkey
    139 | January 7, 2014 5:08 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    In general, though, his base doesn’t want unemployment. They want EBT and housing projects and the like. Drawing unemployment implies you are looking for a job, and those people aren’t looking for jobs.

    But, just as people don’t like to be thought of, or think of themselves as, “racist”—and accordingly humiliate themselves in all sorts of ways to avoid such accusations, however unfounded—many people who do not want to look for jobs know that they are supposed to want jobs, and are supposed to be looking for them.

    Just as some people ritually genuflect to show their non-racism, there are people who ritually genuflect to “wanting jobs” even if they have no interest in getting one.


  140. 140 | January 7, 2014 5:23 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey
    Good point. Even when I was a kid in school, the importance of the “Protestant” Work Ethic (and they used the term “Protestant” in school) was stressed. You weren’t raised to expect to be taken care of. You were expected to make your own way. This had faded somewhat by the time I was in high school (though I also transitioned States just before I went to high school). So much of the damage to our culture has came thorough the education system. When you raise a kid to be on EBT, it is hard for him to simply by himself decide to raise his expectations.


  141. lobo91
    141 | January 7, 2014 5:39 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    When you raise a kid to be on EBT, it is hard for him to simply by himself decide to raise his expectations.

    That’s why the “public housing projects” were such a horrible idea. Basically a concentration camp for poor people, where the main requirement for residence is that you not have an intact family.

    Why was anyone surprised when they started turning out multiple generations of the same thing? Kids model the behavior they see around them.


  142. buzzsawmonkey
    142 | January 7, 2014 5:44 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    That’s why the “public housing projects” were such a horrible idea. Basically a concentration camp for poor people, where the main requirement for residence is that you not have an intact family.

    They did not start out that way. The projects did not become welfare dumps until the 1960s. Originally, in the projects built from the 1930s through the 1950s, you had to apply to get into a project and be “selected”—and one of the grounds for being selected was that you were working poor.


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