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Anecdotal Stories And Just Flat Out Lies, Welcome To Democrat Politics 101

by Flyovercountry ( 100 Comments › )
Filed under Democratic Party, Economy, Progressives, Regulation at January 10th, 2014 - 7:00 am

Meet Mark Udall,

he’s running for reelection to his seat in the U.S. Senate. He has the same problem that every member of his party has. He did something really really stupid. He ran as a centrist, a conservative Democrat. He lied to his constituents in multiple ways. First, there is no such thing as a conservative Democrat. Secondly, he promised not to be a rubber stamp for the Marxist agenda so stealthily promised by Barack Obama. Once elected, he voted for every Marxist measure that came up for a vote. One of those affirmative votes was in favor of the Marxist Holy Grail, which we’ll call Obamacare. Like all Marxist wet dreams of Utopia, the program has been an abject failure, and the collapse has even managed to surpass the most pessimistic predictions of such, both in terms of magnitude and rapidity.

This combination has placed Senator Udall in danger of losing his job as a member of America’s elite ruling political class. Feeling threatened,Udall returned immediately to those invaluable lessons taught in Democrat Politics 101 and 201. Democrat Politics 101 teaches the all important lesson of blatant lying to achieve political ends. Democrat Politics 201 teaches the effective use of anecdotal story telling to achieve political success.

CompleteColorado.com reports that emails show U.S. Senator Mark Udall’s (D-CO) office pressured the Colorado Division of Insurance to downplay the number of insurance cancellations caused by the rollout of ObamaCare. A full 249,199 Colorado citizens were victimized by ObamaCare’s cancellations. According to the emails, Udall’s office hoped to change the definition of a “cancellation” as a way to lower the number. All of this occurred late last year as the storm around cancellations was engulfing Democrats and the president.

From an email inside the Colorado Division of Insurance (DOI), Director of External Affairs Jo Donlin bluntly stated to her colleagues:
Sen. Udall says our numbers were wrong. They are not wrong. Cancellation notices affected 249,199 people. They want to trash our numbers. I’m holding strong while we get more details. Many have already done early renewals. Regardless, they received cancellation notices.
Donlin’s email was sent November 14.

Good luck with that tactic Mark. Your problem of course is this. Even if you are successful in coercing the State Superintendent of Insurance to tell lies on your behalf, there is no way that I can think of, in which you’ll be successful in placing yourself or an agent acting on your behalf, between a person’s eyes and the news contained in one of those cancellation notices. Those 250,000 people know that their policy has been canceled, and what’s more, they know that they were promised that they would be able to keep both those policies, and the doctors that they have not been able to keep. What’s even worse than that for you, is that this is only a small taste of things to come. In October of this year, the already once postponed employer mandate kicks in, and that event will make the current rate of cancellations pale in comparison. (Not that you folks in Colorado don’t deserve this. After all, you twice voted for Barack Obama, and sent Mark Udall to the Senate in the first place.)

This should surprise no one. Moments after this sink hole of a law passed, Dianne Feinstein threatened Insurance Industry executives with subpoenas should they list Obamacare as a reason for the spate of premium increases that occurred immediately after the, “Affordable Care Act’s” assention from bad idea to bill to law. For months now, our President’s teleprompter has been touring the fruited plains and delivering speeches in which it has said, (fair warning, if you have liquid in your mouth you do not wish to see sprayed through your nose, empty it now before reading the President’s quote,)

“we’ve already started to see the costs associated with health insurance coming down.”

Blatant lying to achieve political victory is nothing new for this crowd. What is new is the air of desperation. Mark Udall, under ordinary circumstances, would never swing at this pitch, when the election is still 11 months out. He knows that Americans are mad, and they are mad almost exclusively at the Democrats. They own this monstrosity, and no matter how they try to blame its colossal failure on anybody else, it belongs exclusively to them. They know it, all of America knows it, and hell, even Nancy Pelosi, that great moron of Western Civilization who labeled the law as being bipartisan, (really, she did,) even though not one single Republican voted in favor of it, knows this.

I’m not going to call the Colorado race this far out, but clearly, Mark Udall can see that he is facing a constituency that is not amused with the fact that he lied to them and inflicted them with the Holy Grail of Marxist destructive legislation. There is a target issue here that has the potential to determine the winners and losers for at least the next two cycles. People in general do not like having their financial security and their over all health placed in flux by grinding the ideological ax. When America voted for Barack Obama twice, they did so not because they agreed with Marxism, but because they believed, albeit mistakenly, that their lot in life would be improved.

So far as I can tell, doubling of insurance premiums, outright cancellations, and deductibles so stratospheric that they’ll never be met is not something that can be sugarcoated sufficiently to convince someone facing it that this has somehow improved their lot in life. Barack Obama won two popularity contests, admittedly important ones, but that does not change the fact that he has grotesquely misinterpreted his mandate. The price to be paid for this folly will be exacted most heavily on those fools who went along with it, the Mark Udalls of the world.

Now for Democrat Politics 201, the anecdotal story, not to be confused with the more advanced course, Democrat Politics 402, Deflection. In the class known as Anecdotal Evidence for Political Persuasion, our students are taught the finer points of trying to fake a trend in American life by telling a story from the perspective of a single individual. The story need not be true, only believed. That last point is key.

My favorite example of this of course remains to this day, Al Gore’s 2000 debate performance. He pointed to a heavy set woman in the audience, one whom attended at his invitation, and declared that she spent her life with the ominous choice between buying basic groceries or purchasing her life saving medications that kept death at bay. For good measure he added, “and she drove here cross country in her Winnebago so that she could be here with us this evening.” collectively, half the nation offered this suggestion for her to themselves, “maybe she should sell her quarter million dollar vehicle and use that money to purchase either her medications or groceries.”

This one is a more advanced technique, but I notice it almost everywhere. The number of my liberal debate partners who have suffered cancer or some other debilitating disease which previously made the purchase of health insurance impossible defies all known laws of statistics. I also notice that almost everyone left of center has a family member who lives in either Canada or France and absolutely loves their access to health care, which of course is in direct contradiction of all independent polls conducted amongst the citizenry of those nations.

Fortunately, Mark Levin has provided us with a method to combat the technique taught in the 201 class. Click the link below, and give it some consideration.

Click here for some Mark Levin Brilliance.

Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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  1. 1 | January 10, 2014 7:48 am

    First, there is no such thing as a conservative Democrat.

    That can’t be stressed enough. There are precious few really conservative Republicans, but that is more than you have conservative Democrats. Remember, Manchin ran strongly against gun control, and one of his first acts once elected was to try to push more gun control. If you are in any way a conservative, a Democrats is simply not the way to vote for any position. Al Gore himself masqueraded as a “conservative” Democrat for years before becoming Clinton’s paid stooge. He has now taken that mask off, but we here in Tennessee knew it before then. That is why in the 2000 election Gore lost this state. Everybody focuses on Florida, which was where Gore tried to steal the election, but it was really Tennessee that cost him the seat. If Tennessee had gone for him, Florida wouldn’t have mattered. There are no conservative Democrats. Any Democrat who claims to be in any way conservative is just lying.


  2. 2 | January 10, 2014 8:11 am

    In the class known as Anecdotal Evidence for Political Persuasion, our students are taught the finer points of trying to fake a trend in American life by telling a story from the perspective of a single individual. The story need not be true, only believed. That last point is key.

    They do the same thing for gun control. They take something like Adam Lanza (a tragedy, to be sure) and generalize it to the whole population, as though every American gun owner was a mass shooting waiting to happen. We all know that is false, just as we know that more gun control won’t keep weapons out of the hands of people who shouldn’t buy weapons. The answer to mental illness and guns is the same as the answer to convicted felons with guns: if the person is a danger to society, they shouldn’t be out and about in public where we have to worry about them getting a gun. The answer isn’t in more background checks, but in incarceration or committal. Because if they are dangerous, then it isn’t guns you need to worry about. IIRC, one of the worst mass murders in American history was a man who set a nightclub on fire in New York City, killing dozens of people. That has been some years ago, and I don’t remember all of the details. Gasoline and a match can be a tool of Mass Murder. No one thinks that the possession of gasoline or matches needs to be regulated.


  3. 3 | January 10, 2014 8:18 am

    this says it all. It is a cartoon, so there’s nothing to excerpt. It is about Democrats and racism. It is brutally honest about it.


  4. 4 | January 10, 2014 8:59 am

    Obama Boom

    WASHINGTON — U.S. employers added a scant 74,000 jobs in December, the fewest in three years. The disappointing gain ends 2013 on a weak note and could raise questions about the economy’s recent strength.

    The Labor Department says the unemployment rate fell from 7 percent in November to 6.7 percent, the lowest level since October 2008. But the drop occurred mostly because more Americans stopped looking for jobs. The government counts people as unemployed only if they are actively searching for work.

    This is *not* good news. It means that the ranks of the permanently unemployed are growing. The ranks of employed workers is shrinking. And the population is still growing, so these numbers are really worse than they seem. There’s been no recovery if you aren’t employed in the public sector or are a hedge fund manager or such.


  5. MikeA
    5 | January 10, 2014 9:16 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    you know they are going to tout the unemployment rate dropping to 6.7% means the economy is booming.


  6. 6 | January 10, 2014 9:18 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ MikeA:

    That is all they will talk about is the uE falling to 6.7%. It will be proof of their boom.


  7. 7 | January 10, 2014 9:27 am

    @ MikeA:
    @ Rodan:

    Yep, they deliberately ignore the fact that the only thing causing the unemployment rate to go down is people dropping out of the workforce. Our labor participation rates are at a 36 year low. Job wise, we have lost all the gains that have been made in 36 years. If Obama were a Republican, this would be a sign of the Apocalypse. Since Obama is a Democrat, this barely gets noted. I have to admit, though that the article did say that the participation rate was down, but they really don’t explain the significance of that. People that aren’t really into politics are likely to miss that fact. They look at the reported rate, and don’t look any further.


  8. 8 | January 10, 2014 9:37 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    One reason I think Hillary will be unstoppable is that by 2016, they will have the UE rate in the 5 % range. Hillary will run on maintaining the “great economy” and prosperity. People will believe it becasue the guy on the 6 O’ Clock News and Jon Stewart said so.


  9. 9 | January 10, 2014 9:37 am

    They may revoke CNN’s Liberal Card if they keep reporting like this:

    Job growth slumped sharply in December, falling far short of expectations. The economy added only 74,000 jobs in December, according to the Department of Labor.

    This was the weakest month for job growth since January 2011 and came as a huge surprise to economists, who were expecting an addition of 193,000 jobs.

    For all of 2013, the economy added 2.2 million jobs — on par with 2012′s gains.

    Meanwhile, the unemployment rate fell to 6.7% in December, but the drop came mainly from workers leaving the labor force.

    Only 62.8% of the adult population is participating in the labor market — meaning they either have a job or are looking for one. That matches the lowest level since 1978.

    In the job market’s 2007 heyday, unemployment was under 5%, but in the two years that followed, the recession wiped out 8.7 million jobs. To this day, not all those jobs have returned.

    That is a more realistic picture of it. Even there, they don’t get into hard numbers about what the unemployment rate would look like if we had the same labor force as in 2007, nor do they talk about U6 unemployment or the under-employed that are having to work two jobs in order to make ends meet. The real state of the economy is very bad.


  10. 10 | January 10, 2014 9:46 am

    @ Rodan:

    It isn’t out of the question that they’ll do that. They didn’t report on the Clinton recession in 2000 to try to give Al Gore a boost, and that wasn’t enough to get him through (though it was very close). I don’t think they are going to be able to sell the bulk of the population on the economy being great. Too many people know people who’ve lost their jobs. It is way early to be calling the race in 2016 for Hillary Clinton. There are too many known unknowns for us to make any reasonable prediction.


  11. eaglesoars
    11 | January 10, 2014 9:54 am

    And now they’ve got 2 conflicting narratives.

    1. The unemployment rate is great!!

    2. We need to extend unemployment benefits to all these people who can’t find jobs

    should be fun…….


  12. 12 | January 10, 2014 9:59 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yeah, but I bet the average LIV doesn’t even notice that contradiction. You have to really guide the LIVs through the process of thinking things through. They simply aren’t going to get it unless they are spoon fed.


  13. eaglesoars
    13 | January 10, 2014 10:06 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    speaking of LIVs -- some hipster just called into the Chris Plante show.

    “maaan, you keep saying liberals are killing the country maaaan. The dudes who wrote the constitution were all liberals’

    Plante start laughing and the guy tells him “I was, like, you know, a Navy Seal for like 9 yrs maaaan”

    Then Plante starts. “Really? What was your MOS?”

    Long pause. “Well, like I don’t really want to get into all the things I did”

    Plante says “Ok, what do they call a C-130?”

    “oh, go to hell maaaan”

    click

    funniest thing I ever heard.


  14. 14 | January 10, 2014 10:08 am

    I just read through the comments on that article I linked earlier. Are the Left wingers really that dumb, or are they faking it? They seem to think that the House Republicans control the economy, and if they’d just get out of the way the Chicago Jesus® will lead us into the Promised Land. In other words, they don’t know how our political system works, or how economies function. At all. The biggest thing that Congress could do right now to promote job growth would be to repeal ObamaCare. The House have voted repeatedly to do just that. The House also passed budgets that would have started us on a path to fiscal sanity. The Senate is the ones who are blocking legislation. The Democrats refuse to even vote on things like Ryan’s original budget, let alone repealing ObamaCare. But the Republicans are the ones obstructing. It is real asshat “logic” in operation.


  15. eaglesoars
    15 | January 10, 2014 10:08 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    “I was, like, you know, a Navy Seal for like 9 yrs maaaan”

    correction. He said he was ‘special forces’ not navy seal


  16. 16 | January 10, 2014 10:09 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yeah he was a Navy Seal in some Video game! Anyway about the Founding Fathers being Liberal, he right but the term Liberal back them was different than today. Liberal of that era would be today’s Libertarians. It’s just very historically dishonest.


  17. 17 | January 10, 2014 10:11 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    @ Iron Fist:

    We’ve reached the point where a substantial percentage of people accept whatever fictitious “facts” that support the narrative they’ve already accepted. We’re competing for a remarkably small percentage that still have intact critical thinking skills and casting a “wide net” may well be a waste of resources.


  18. 18 | January 10, 2014 10:14 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    It’s funny how they think House Republicans control the economy, but when Bush was President he controlled the economy.

    True story, when I used to attack Think Progress circa 2005/2006, I would get into it with the Lefties there over the economy. One clown made a hysterical claim about why wages went up under Clinton, but not go up under Bush. The Lefty claimed that Clinton would call the CEO’s of companies and ordered them to give out raises and bonuses. Bush would not do that becasue he did not care. I am dead fucking serious, this was the theory floating around Left blogs back then.


  19. 19 | January 10, 2014 10:15 am

    @ MacDuff:

    See my #18.


  20. eaglesoars
    20 | January 10, 2014 10:15 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    In other words, they don’t know how our political system works, or how economies function. At all.

    You are completely missing the point. “Truth” is not evidence-based. It is the result of a deconstructive narrative that exposes a non-observable reality.

    Didn’t get the memo, huh?


  21. 21 | January 10, 2014 10:16 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    And now they’ve got 2 conflicting narratives.
    1. The unemployment rate is great!!
    2. We need to extend unemployment benefits to all these people who can’t find jobs
    should be fun…….

    Yet they get away with it.


  22. 22 | January 10, 2014 10:18 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    When I make my Hillary prediction, it is based on facts that are current. As you said, facts can change so when I make my Hillary will win statements, it’s in the current environment. 2016 could be different.


  23. 23 | January 10, 2014 10:18 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    See my #18.


  24. eaglesoars
    24 | January 10, 2014 10:19 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    We’re competing for a remarkably small percentage that still have intact critical thinking skills and casting a “wide net” may well be a waste of resources.

    Well, those with intact critical thinking skills are either using them to scam the LIVs, or they’re already on our side. We have the latter, don’t want the former.


  25. 25 | January 10, 2014 10:19 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    He was probably stoned. Hipsters have an overabundance of self-esteem, and nothing really to be proud of. Rodan is basically right when he calls Obama the “Hipster President”. Obama has precious few real accomplishments, but he thinks he is the best in the world about anything he does or tries to do. It is funny the people that will fake being in the SEALs and such. There was a guy in the Dragon Society several years ago who got kicked out because he’d been claiming to be a SEAL and wasn’t. My experience with people like that is that they don’t emphasize what they’ve done too much. I train with a guy who was Special Forces in Vietnam. He’ll talk about it, some, but he doesn’t overemphasize it. He’s also the most dangerous man I’ve ever known. He can and will kill you. You are just another body on the pile. I wouldn’t want to fight him if I had a gun and he was unarmed. There’s a real good chance he’d kill me. But as I said, I don’t get people trying to fake that. It isn’t hard to prove them to be a liar. There’s way too many things to learn to be able to fake being an operator at that level.


  26. eaglesoars
    26 | January 10, 2014 10:20 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    See my #18.

    yeah, these are 13 yr old pajama boys


  27. 27 | January 10, 2014 10:21 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Hey he was Special forces in a Video Game, cut him some slack.


  28. 28 | January 10, 2014 10:21 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    I went over to some Lefty blogs and they are crowing about the 6.7% rate. They said we are back to prosperity and that the economy is roaring.


  29. eaglesoars
    29 | January 10, 2014 10:24 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Hipsters have an overabundance of self-esteem, and nothing really to be proud of.

    I’m not sure about the self esteem part. One thing I’ve noticed about an awful lot of liberals -- and this is catty, I know -- a lot of the women are just fugly and the men are sorely lacking in the testosterone dept. Geo. Clooney excepted.


  30. 30 | January 10, 2014 10:25 am

    @ Rodan:

    When I was in college, they called them “Classical Liberals”, and you are right. The Libertarian philosophy is the closest thing we have to that today. They weren’t totally Libertarian as that word is used today, though. They were distrustful of a standing army, but they didn’t hesitate to use it when the American interest was threatened. More than anything, they were for restrained government, not expansive government. They’d be appalled at where the United States is today.


  31. eaglesoars
    31 | January 10, 2014 10:26 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    I went over to some Lefty blogs and they are crowing about the 6.7% rate. They said we are back to prosperity and that the economy is roaring.

    You go right back there and ask them if things are booming why does Obama want to extend unemployment benefits. Go.


  32. 32 | January 10, 2014 10:26 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Well, those with intact critical thinking skills are either using them to scam the LIVs, or they’re already on our side. We have the latter, don’t want the former.

    Did you see the story about the rise of people who identify themselves as “independents”? That is our target demographic. There are a lot of people fed-up with Republicans, but there are also a lot of people fed-up with Democrats. I’m not ready to cede anything at this point, the politics of ’14 and ’16 haven’t even begun to congeal.


  33. 33 | January 10, 2014 10:27 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    You are completely missing the point. “Truth” is not evidence-based.

    Yeah, there I go using the mere facts to draw reasoned conclusions from. The postmodernists are much for logic and reasoning, either. It is all emotion-based, and even there there is a lot of deception going on.


  34. 34 | January 10, 2014 10:27 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    @ Iron Fist:
    @ MacDuff:

    Here is an example of a Lefty lying.

    blaster man giofls
    • an hour ago

    I’m glad you speak for all business owners. Most businesses are completely unaffected by it. If anyone is negatively impacted, it’s a wash because the money lost there goes to hospitals that don’t have to write off unpaid medical bills then they can expand and generate more skilled medical jobs to replace the low paid McDonalds jobs being lost by your pal’s business

    .


  35. 35 | January 10, 2014 10:29 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    My IP is banned from every major Lefty site! :evil:


  36. 36 | January 10, 2014 10:29 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Hipsters appear to be hygienically challenged. I’ve noticed that, too. And you are right. The women trend ugly, and the men trend effeminate. Sterotypical gays, in other words, though they aren’t all gay. You have to ask them why that is, though. Because they view being gay as being above heterosexuals. You have to ask them why they’ve not made the jump.


  37. 37 | January 10, 2014 10:29 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    I went over to some Lefty blogs and they are crowing about the 6.7% rate. They said we are back to prosperity and that the economy is roaring.

    Yeah, we’re back to the Bush rate which they said was economic Armageddon in ’08- and it’s taken five years to get here.


  38. 38 | January 10, 2014 10:30 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The founding fathers would be plotting a revolt right now.


  39. 39 | January 10, 2014 10:32 am

    @ MacDuff:

    It’s only gotten back to this rate by dropping people from being counted in the Labor force. Not through job growth.


  40. 40 | January 10, 2014 10:34 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Actually some of the younger (20′s) Hipster females are attractive. But they like Metrosexual men who are unemployed. Look at that Food stamp abuser Jason Greenslate, he gets more ass than a toilet seat. Greenslate and Pajama Boy are the epitome of what the Left wants males to be.


  41. eaglesoars
    41 | January 10, 2014 10:34 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Here is an example of a Lefty lying.

    Honey, that’s not a lie. That’s an hallucination.


  42. 42 | January 10, 2014 10:37 am

    Rodan wrote:

    It’s only gotten back to this rate by dropping people from being counted in the Labor force. Not through job growth.

    Do you watch “Sleepy Hollow”? The Ichabod Crane character, horrified upon seeing the sales tax percentage on a modern sales receipt remarks that “we started a war for less than 2%!”.


  43. 43 | January 10, 2014 10:37 am

    @ Rodan:

    Yeah, he doesn’t even address the fact that these putative medical jobs are skilled positions. People have to have the intelligence and training to get them. That is a totally different set of people than low-skilled workers in, say, manufacturing or the restaurant industry. But even ignoring that, he is wrong. Businesses can’t take a real loss for very long. The reason companies exist is to generate profit. They don’t exist solely to create jobs for the economy. When you reduce businesses ability to make profit, what you are doing is reducing a business’s ability to stay in business. Damage it too much, and they’ll just fold. Like I said earlier, these people know nothing about real economics, or how the market works.


  44. Guggi
    44 | January 10, 2014 10:38 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    To this day, not all those jobs have returned.

    …and the workforce is growing not declining


  45. 45 | January 10, 2014 10:39 am

    @ MacDuff:

    I don’t know how that amplifies the point, but it just popped into my head…..


  46. eaglesoars
    46 | January 10, 2014 10:39 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Did you see the story about the rise of people who identify themselves as “independents”? That is our target demographic. There are a lot of people fed-up with Republicans, but there are also a lot of people fed-up with Democrats. I’m not ready to cede anything at this point, the politics of ’14 and ’16 haven’t even begun to congeal.

    I did see that stat on independents. I would like to see the demographic breakdown before I get too excited tho. If they’re between 18-30, I’m not impressed. But I agree, the politics are still in flex.


  47. eaglesoars
    47 | January 10, 2014 10:41 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Actually some of the younger (20′s) Hipster females are attractive.

    Well, I didn’t say ALL. The only reason Gloria Steinem was such a cultural phenom is because the alternative was Bella Abzug.


  48. 48 | January 10, 2014 10:42 am

    @ Rodan:

    Yeah, things are so much worse today than they were when Bush was President. We are more than $5 trillion more in debt now than we were under Bush (who was not tight fisted with the treasury himself). Where did all that money go? We don’t have anything substantive to show for it. That money is as gone as if Obama blew it all on coke and whores. We’ve gotten very little in return for that huge expenditure.


  49. 49 | January 10, 2014 10:42 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    We have places with jobs and no workers and places with workers with no jobs and we have a pitifully prepared workforce for the 20th Century, much less the 21st.

    Liberals/Progressives have been in charge of education and training for how long now?


  50. 50 | January 10, 2014 10:42 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Yes, that was classic. I love that show, it’s very Pro-American and has a Rightwing message.


  51. 51 | January 10, 2014 10:44 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    We have places with jobs and no workers and places with workers with no jobs and we have a pitifully prepared workforce for the 20th Century, much less the 21st.
    Liberals/Progressives have been in charge of education and training for how long now?

    This is where Republicans go wrong, their answer for everything is low taxes. Looking at charts, taxes are close to historic lows. What they need to state is that we need a new tax/regulatory/education structure for the 21st Century economy. They should attack the current structure as Mid 20th Century and that we need a new structure.


  52. 52 | January 10, 2014 10:45 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Where did all that money go?

    Wall Street and the Cayman Islands.


  53. 53 | January 10, 2014 10:45 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    :lol:

    That is not saying much! :lol:


  54. eaglesoars
    54 | January 10, 2014 10:46 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Bella Abzug.

    with whom Hubby shares a dubious distinction. They are the only people known to be thrown off the House floor for violating the dress code. (Hubby wasn’t wearing a tie -- it was a Saturday. I don’t know what Bella did -- probably something about her hat)


  55. eaglesoars
    55 | January 10, 2014 10:49 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    That money is as gone as if Obama blew it all on coke and whores.

    well, if you think about it, that’s exactly what he did.


  56. 56 | January 10, 2014 10:49 am

    @ Guggi:

    Yep, and now they are trying to get all of the illegals made legit so that they can have a larger pool of unskilled workers. That will depress wages. That affects me somewhat, because of the H1B visa thing. Tech companies like Google use that to bring in cheaper labor from foreign countries. Their excuse is that there aren’t enough trained workers in the labor pool, but their real issue is with paying good salaries to their skilled employees. On one hand, I can see them trying to maximize profit, but on the other they need to pay fair market value for the skills that they need. The government should keep its thumb off the scale when it comes to jobs. Encouraging the H1B visas doesn’t help the market in the United States.


  57. lobo91
    57 | January 10, 2014 10:50 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Yeah, he doesn’t even address the fact that these putative medical jobs are skilled positions. People have to have the intelligence and training to get them. That is a totally different set of people than low-skilled workers in, say, manufacturing or the restaurant industry.

    And those jobs exist now. Half the jobs I see advertised are in the medical field.


  58. eaglesoars
    58 | January 10, 2014 10:52 am

    Well, it looks like the ice/slush has melted enough to drive safely, so I’m getting the beasts off to daycamp.


  59. lobo91
    59 | January 10, 2014 10:53 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Yep, and now they are trying to get all of the illegals made legit so that they can have a larger pool of unskilled workers. That will depress wages.

    According to Obama, Manuel, the day laborer you see standing in front of Home Depot, would create the next Facebook or Google if he wasn’t forced to live “in the shadows.”


  60. 60 | January 10, 2014 10:54 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    H1B Visas should be eliminated. I have no problem with Guest workers for low skilled positions. I aint going to pick a crop or do Construction, but we don’t need Tech workers.


  61. 61 | January 10, 2014 10:55 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Liberals/Progressives have been in charge of education and training for how long now?

    All of my life. They aren’t producing the skilled workforce that we need. A high school education these days doesn’t even mean that you can read, write, and do basic math. We spend 12 years in school, and get very little of real worth out of it. And things have gotten steadily worse. A huge percentage of the people who do go on to college need remediation before they can even start their college work.


  62. 62 | January 10, 2014 10:55 am

    @ lobo91:

    That’s a dishonest argument on the part of Obama. But in the scheme of things they bother me less than Muslims who get a visas for claiming they are refugees.


  63. 63 | January 10, 2014 10:56 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    And those jobs exist now. Half the jobs I see advertised are in the medical field.

    Yeah, that is true. If you look at it, I am in the medical field, and have been for most of my career. It is one sixth of our economy, roughly.


  64. 64 | January 10, 2014 10:59 am

    @ lobo91:

    That is the field that is booming right now. I would suggest to any younger worker, to get into it. Sadly, many would rather be like Jason Greenslate surfing all day, playing a guitar and banging a hot chick.


  65. lobo91
    65 | January 10, 2014 11:00 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Yeah, that is true. If you look at it, I am in the medical field, and have been for most of my career. It is one sixth of our economy, roughly.

    True, but I’m talking about actual medical positions--doctors, nurses, lab techs, pharmacists, sonographers, etc. I see dozens of those jobs listed every day.

    The reason the guy who screws up your order at the drive-thru window isn’t in one of those jobs isn’t because they don’t exist.


  66. 66 | January 10, 2014 11:00 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Hence why Obama wanted Obamacare and they want single payer.


  67. 67 | January 10, 2014 11:01 am

    @ Rodan:

    Our corporate tax is the highest in the world. Right now taxes amount to about 25% of our GDP overall. I believe it was Laugher who did the proofs to indicate that 19-20% of GDP is the optimal range for producing the most revenue for the State. We are overtaxed, not undertaxed. That is enough to be a drag on the economy. Coldwarrior can probably tell you better than I can the exact impact on the economy this over-taxing costs us.


  68. lobo91
    68 | January 10, 2014 11:08 am

    Daily Kos Founder Markos Moulitsas: Republicans Are “Rabid Animals”…

    White guys are an endangered species, and everyone else votes wrong – Daily Kos

    Welcome to 2014, yet another critical election year, in a long line of critical election years. Has there ever been a year that wasn’t a critical election year? These things matter. Elections have real consequences.

    [R]epublicans are seeing their entire worldview crumble. Even though Obamacare was invented at Heritage and implemented by their 2012 presidential nominee, they’ve convinced themselves that it is worse than Hitler. And yet it is the law and won’t be going anywhere…

    There are married gay people in UTAH!…17 states now allow unfettered love and commitment, and more will soon follow suit. And what’s more, if the courts were to strike down marriage bans, Americans would approve!

    Colorado and Washington have legalized pot. More states, from Alaska to Maine to Montana, will soon follow…

    There’s a black guy in the White House. Twice. And if that’s not bad enough, the Clintons (the Clintons!) are the most likely successors. How could that be? Don’t the American sheeple understand that Benghazi? [sic] …

    [W]e can mock conservative neurosis, and we will, but it’s actually very real. They really do believe that the “Leave it to Beaver” America of their fantasies is all but lost. And given how terrible the 2016 Senate map looks to Republicans, not to mention presidential year turnout, 2014 is really a last-gasp opportunity for the retrogrades.

    If they lose this year and 2016, they’ll have zero choice but to rebrand. They don’t want to do that. They want to cling to every last one of their bigotries and hatreds. If they fail this year, they are done, and they know it. They are a rabid animal, backed into a corner, and everyone knows how dangerous those can be.


  69. 69 | January 10, 2014 11:10 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    The reason the guy who screws up your order at the drive-thru window isn’t in one of those jobs isn’t because they don’t exist.

    Very true. That gets back to how our education system is failing us. They don’t even really try to teach most kids. They are running them through school like it was a factory, and they were producing identical parts for a machine. Education doesn’t work that way. I have teaching experience from being a karate instructor, and to really teach someone you have to be able to teach them in a way that they can learn. You can’t just show people generic moves and expect them to be able to do anything with it. Teaching kids in school would be very similar. Yes, you have a basic curriculum that you have to follow, but you have to be able to teach it in a way that the kids will learn. That’s more work for the teacher, but that is supposed to be the teacher’s job. I don’t think most public school teachers think that way.


  70. lobo91
    70 | January 10, 2014 11:11 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The real problem is the amount of money consumed by the government. Federal spending is currently at almost 25% of GDP. The only time it was ever this high before was during WWII.

    Federal tax revenues are also at an all time high as a percentage of GDP, at nearly 20%.

    If we want the economy to expand and actually create jobs, rather than the current “simulated” economic boom, both those figures need to be brought down to around 18%.


  71. lobo91
    71 | January 10, 2014 11:14 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    There was actually some far-left activist on O’Reilly last night who claimed that today’s young people are much better educated than those of 50 years ago. I about fell out of my chair.

    They may have more worthless diplomas to hang on the wall, but that doesn’t equate to being educated.


  72. 72 | January 10, 2014 11:17 am

    @ lobo91:

    Over-taxed, over-regulated, and too big a government are all part of the pathway to the Fall of America. I don’t really see any will on either side of the aisle to tackle those problems. Even Ryan’s “unrealistic” budget didn’t bring things to where they would encourage growth. Nobody really talks about cutting the government, and that is what we are going to have to do eventually. We can’t simply keep borrowing a trillion dollars a year to blow on nothing. That just has to fail at some point.


  73. lobo91
    73 | January 10, 2014 11:26 am

    This Supreme Court Case Could Upend The Separation Of Powers

    The Supreme Court is scheduled to hear oral arguments on Monday in a case with potentially dramatic long-term implications for the balance of power between the executive and legislative branches.

    The legal question is whether the president may temporarily appoint people to staff executive branch agencies when Congress is not conducting business but also not technically in recess — known as pro forma sessions. Noel Canning, a business based in Washington State, claims that actions taken against it by the National Labor Relations Board (NRLB) are invalid because they relied on the decisions of recess appointees to the board who were put in place during pro forma sessions.

    A decision against the Obama administration “would overturn the long-settled understanding of the Recess Appointments Clause, upsetting the equilibrium between the political branches created by our Constitution’s framers,” said Elizabeth Wydra, the chief counsel for the Constitutional Accountability Center, a liberal legal advocacy group.

    Wydra called the lawsuit “ahistorical and myopic.”

    A ruling against the government in NLRB v. Noel Canning stands to invalidate a series of NLRB actions aimed at cracking down on unfair business practices. Depending on the scope of the decision, government actions taken under previous presidents may also be implicated.


  74. 74 | January 10, 2014 11:26 am

    @ lobo91:
    @ Iron Fist:

    Take a look at these delusional Left comments at CNBC.

    Free Money Minute
    • an hour ago

    Wow, the economy is humming now.

    Bushed_It_All_Up
    • 2 hours ago

    This is all the fault of Congress and particularly the House who stressed the economy and job creation 2 years only to now focus on Benghazi, Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, the Health Care Act, and any other topic that might damage the president. Corporate profits are at record highs but jobs and wages have suffered. Pass legislation and regulations to fix this.

    Ibn Faqir Al Comilla
    • 2 hours ago

    we are finally at the feds 6.5-7% threshold for tapering, economy is gangbusters, stock market is up, time to pop the champagne folks

    omalley1
    • 3 hours ago

    This has long been predicted in a lot of economic analysis. A 14 year decline in workers because of retirement of the baby boomers. Add in a growing world economy and you will eventually have very low unemployment, regardless of job creation. Many iinvestors say this coming years ago and are reaping the benefits now.

    Lake girl
    • 3 hours ago

    Did anyone consider that many older people who were waiting for Medicare age (65) before they retire can now retire because they can obtain health insurance from the ACA?


  75. 75 | January 10, 2014 11:29 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    It’s even worse than that. The more realistic number for unemployment is the U6 number, which is 13.1%. While they’re claiming that the U3 number is 6.7%, they failed to mention that they just arbitrarily took a cool half million folks out of the work force in order to achieve that. What’s even worse than that, the household survey did not warrant this, this time around, it was just decided for them. In other words, we want unemployment to be x for political reasons, so the chocolate ration has just been increased to 20 grams from 30.

    The obviously politicized Department of Labor believes that this will soften the upcoming November shellacking for the party that they like.


  76. 76 | January 10, 2014 11:33 am

    @ Flyovercountry:

    See my #74.


  77. heysoos
    77 | January 10, 2014 11:36 am

    these are the people you serve…
    http://swampland.time.com/2014/01/09/congress-is-now-mostly-a-millionaires-club/


  78. 78 | January 10, 2014 11:36 am

    @ Rodan:

    Hey, all you gotta do is get you an animal hat and you’re in like Flynn!

    @ lobo91:

    I saw that and immediately thought -- we’ll they’re better trained in communism and political correctness that’s for sure. But that’s about it.


  79. 79 | January 10, 2014 11:39 am

    @ mskelly:

    Hey, all you gotta do is get you an animal hat and you’re in like Flynn!

    :lol:

    No thanks!


  80. 80 | January 10, 2014 11:39 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Here’s another example of how much worse it truly is, via Steve Eggleston.

    On the part-time front:

    - 4,884,000 (seasonally adjusted) worked fewer than 35 hours due to slack work, an increase of 16,000 from last month.
    - 2,592,000 (seasonally adjusted) worked fewer than 35 hours due to part-time work being all the work they could find, an increase of 93,000 from last month.
    - 3,550,000 (not seasonally adjusted) worked both a full-time job and at least one part-time job, a drop of 41,000 from December 2012.
    - 1,969,000 (not seasonally adjusted) worked multiple part-time jobs in lieu of a full-time job, a drop of 149,000 from December 2012.

    In other words, the drop in unemployment is entirely due to people getting part time work. Hardly sufficient to support a family.

    Here’s a story from Eggleston’s blog, “No Runny Eggs,” about the BLS out rightly falsifying the Unemployment data used to determine the reported numbers to America.

    http://norunnyeggs.com/2013/12/cooking-the-unemployment-numbers/

    Two weeks ago, the New York Post‘s John Crudele broke the story that the Census Bureau, which conducts the Current Population Survey (CPS) that is the basis for the unemployment rate reported by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), has been falsifying the data since 2010. Curdele interviewed a person who was caught by the Census Bureau in 2010 simply making up data, with the employee claiming his superiors told him to do so because his region was not successfully interviewing enough people for the survey. According to an anonymous source, that effort intensified in the months leading up to the 2012 election, with September 2012′s data specifically falsified to President Barack Obama’s favor, and continues to the present time.


  81. 81 | January 10, 2014 11:40 am

    @ Rodan:

    Anyone that holds up today’s stock market up as a sign of boom is full of shiite.


  82. 82 | January 10, 2014 11:40 am

    Speaking of Speakers.

    I donated $10.


  83. 83 | January 10, 2014 11:41 am

    mskelly wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Anyone that holds up today’s stock market up as a sign of boom is full of shiite.

    I am reading these comments and just floored.

    It’s worse in Politico.


  84. 84 | January 10, 2014 11:42 am

    @ Rodan:

    See my # 80


  85. heysoos
    85 | January 10, 2014 11:42 am

    The Other Les wrote:

    Speaking of Speakers.
    I donated $10.

    you might have missed #77


  86. 86 | January 10, 2014 11:42 am

    @ The Other Les:

    Hey where can we read your platform?


  87. 87 | January 10, 2014 11:44 am

    Here is BS comment from Politico.

    penelopeo wayknow
    • an hour ago

    FALSE! Clinton holds the record for the longest economic expansion AND the most jobs created in eight years (22 million to Reagan’s 16 million)

    And it’s ironic that Reagan created this ‘miracle’ economy according to the right…..and yet couldn’t avoid a recession at the end of his term.

    And fyi, the recession Obama inherited is called the GREAT Recession precisely because it is the worst recession since the great depression. And Carter managed to preside over 10 million new jobs in 4 years.

    And THIS recovery is the SECOND slowest recovery, my misinformed friend, after the Great Depression, the only recession worse than this last one.

    Educate yourself as to the facts before you attempt to educate others.

    There was no recession at the end of Reagan’s term. It was Poppy Bush who wrecked the economy. This person is a liar.


  88. 88 | January 10, 2014 11:45 am

    @ Flyovercountry:

    You and I know these numbers are a lie. I feel like we live in the Soviet Union.


  89. lobo91
    89 | January 10, 2014 11:46 am

    @ mskelly:

    I saw that and immediately though — we’ll they’re better trained in communism and political correctness that’s for sure. But that’s about it.

    I remember some other person making a similar claim once, only he cited all the new stuff that we know about today that hadn’t been discovered or invented in the ’50s. Specifically, he cited computers and DNA.

    Being able to access Wikipedia or use Twitter to send out inane comments 24/7 doesn’t equate to knowing anything about computers. And I seriously doubt that most high school graduates today know any more about DNA than my dog does. All they know is that it’s something a guy in a white coat on CSI uses to find the killer in 20 minutes.


  90. 90 | January 10, 2014 11:58 am

    This takes the icing on the cake.

    Guest soleri
    • an hour ago

    More jobs were created during Jimmy Carter’s four-year term than during
    Reagan’s first term and nearly as many as during Reagan’s second term

    :lol:


  91. 91 | January 10, 2014 12:01 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Yep, and now they are trying to get all of the illegals made legit so that they can have a larger pool of unskilled workers. That will depress wages. That affects me somewhat, because of the H1B visa thing. Tech companies like Google use that to bring in cheaper labor from foreign countries. Their excuse is that there aren’t enough trained workers in the labor pool, but their real issue is with paying good salaries to their skilled employees. On one hand, I can see them trying to maximize profit, but on the other they need to pay fair market value for the skills that they need. The government should keep its thumb off the scale when it comes to jobs. Encouraging the H1B visas doesn’t help the market in the United States.

    And speaking of the Amnesty issue.


  92. 92 | January 10, 2014 12:07 pm

    No Bush fan here, but this is an outright lie.

    krevolver sosueme001
    • 2 hours ago

    There is very little connection between the number of jobs and the unemployment rate.

    Remember under bush when we were LOSING 650,000 jobs per month, and somehow the unemployment rate did not skyrocket?

    It was only in the final months were were losing that amount. Before 2008, the average job growth was 150,00 -- 175,000 a month under Bush. Not great bit NOT losing 650,000 jobs a month.


  93. 93 | January 10, 2014 12:08 pm

    New Thread.


  94. 94 | January 10, 2014 12:15 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    The Other Les wrote:
    Speaking of Speakers.
    I donated $10.

    you might have missed #77

    I just got on commented right away.


  95. lobo91
    95 | January 10, 2014 12:15 pm

    @ Rodan:

    It was only in the final months were were losing that amount. Before 2008, the average job growth was 150,00 — 175,000 a month under Bush. Not great bit NOT losing 650,000 jobs a month.

    That person clearly hasn’t gotten the memo, anyway. They’re supposed to claim that we were losing 800,000 jobs per month. That’s the talking point I keep hearing.


  96. 96 | January 10, 2014 12:18 pm

    @ lobo91:

    800,000 for 8 years they claim.

    Its obvious seeing Leftist reaction from today’s jobs report that they do not live in reality. Then again we knew this.


  97. 97 | January 10, 2014 12:18 pm

    mskelly wrote:

    @ The Other Les:
    Hey where can we read your platform?

    I haven’t actually put together a formal platform yet. At this point it’s anything I’ve commented on in the blog. Anything missing can be deduced by taking ant position hald by the current rulers and relpacing it with a sane solution.


  98. Guggi
    98 | January 10, 2014 1:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    It was only in the final months were were losing that amount. Before 2008, the average job growth was 150,00 — 175,000 a month under Bush. Not great bit NOT losing 650,000 jobs a month.

    Wasn’t there a Job loss in 2006 when the democratic congress voted for higher minimum wages ?


  99. 99 | January 10, 2014 1:32 pm

    The Other Les wrote:

    mskelly wrote:
    @ The Other Les:
    Hey where can we read your platform?

    I haven’t actually put together a formal platform yet. At this point it’s anything I’ve commented on in the blog. Anything missing can be deduced by taking ant position hald by the current rulers and relpacing it with a sane solution.

    I suggest that your formal platform be constructed from seasoned hardwoods, a nice White Oak or Ash. Perhaps frame the platform with some Black Walnut or Black Cherry.


  100. Speranza
    100 | January 10, 2014 9:50 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Wasn’t there a Job loss in 2006 when the democratic congress voted for higher minimum wages ?

    Higher minimum wages always leads to job losses particularly amongst teenagers.


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