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Back By Popular Demand! Win A Dream Date With Barack Obama: Part Two

by Flyovercountry ( 179 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Communism, Marxism, Progressives at February 11th, 2014 - 7:00 am

Political Cartoons by Gary Varvel

During my childhood, one certain way to determine that a current teen heart throb was quickly cementing his path towards becoming a former teen heart throb, was when the local radio station ran the ubiquitous, “win a dream date with x,” promotion. The lucky preteen girls would be encouraged to call in, write in, or just generally debase themselves in some fashion, and they would get to spend 45 minutes of quality time with some aging face hell bent on pimping out what was left of his looks to squeeze the last few pesos out of his fifteen minutes. Within six months of the shameless attempt to trade relevancy for cash, the star was gone from the public eye, only to appear on retrospective where are they now shows, or promoting some K-Tel-hits-of-the-old-days-I-can’t-believe-that-great-price recording collections.

Now, most of us have known for decades at least, that in the game of self dignity, politicians are woefully short. That is to say, they possess absolutely no shame in what they’ll do for money. They’ll leave no rock over turned in searching for some way to embarrass their opponents for committing the very sins that they themselves commit with nary a thought. Most importantly, dignity is an afterthought in the political game, reserved for only the weakest.

That is why it shocked no one, when during the 2012 Election, Team Obama/Biden unveiled their, “win a date with Barack and Joe,” contest. Eight bits was sufficient enough of a donation to get yourself a slim chance at obtaining that golden ticket to dine and party like a rock star with our President and his Veep. (The original asking price for a chance to win that magic moment was $3, but it gradually got marked down to couch cushion territory.)

Apparently, the concept has been brought back, as that fifteen minutes did not have the good sense to expire on this national joke/nightmare like it should have two years ago. So, without further ado, here it is again. Still, there is something different this time around.

The Zero is not running again for office. His campaigning is supposed to be finished, and his focus was promised to have been on actually doing his job this time. He is pimping himself out for a final push on his signature achievement, which was passed into law five freaking years ago. I really don’t know which saddens me more, that we have a President who is pulling this stunt to pimp out a current law which now has five candles on the birthday cake, or that we have a President who feels as though he needs to avail himself of the same fame grabbing techniques as were taught to us by the ever present high school musical, “Bye Bye Birdie.” Either way, I guess that it is we the people who are the losers in this scenario, stuck with Obama, and stuck with what he’s done. Then again, we get the government we deserve, and until we do something about it, this will be our result.

Exit question: What sort of grub will the Bamster lay on the winner? Do you think they’ll eat like Michelle, good tasting food meant for human consumption, or will they graze on protein rich food pellets and low carb celery sticks, without the ranch dressing?

Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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  1. Da_Beerfreak
    1 | February 11, 2014 7:06 am

    Here’s a couple of steps in the right direction, but the Trolls infesting Mordor on the Potomac will never take them… :evil:

    Conservatives lay out vision for the future

    Conservatives on Monday offered a vision of a nation without ObamaCare, Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, and with the federal government offloading authority over a broad swath of policy to the states.

    Their utopia won’t come to pass until 2017 at the earliest, but conservatives are pressing their colleagues to get started now.
    That was the overriding message during a daylong Heritage Foundation policy summit. The respected 40-year-old right-leaning think tank has recently come under fire from GOP leaders for its political arm’s aggressive tactics, which some say are sullying the group’s reputation.

    In speeches and panel discussions at the foundation’s Capitol Hill headquarters, conservative lawmakers in the House and Senate pushed party leaders to begin laying the groundwork in 2014 for a policy agenda that Republicans could enact if they win control of the Senate and the White House over the next three years…


  2. 2 | February 11, 2014 7:59 am

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    conservative lawmakers in the House and Senate pushed party leaders to begin laying the groundwork in 2014 for a policy agenda that Republicans could enact if they win control of the Senate and the White House over the next three years…

    This is more or less what I’ve been calling for for some time now. It simply isn’t sufficient to elect Republicans to a majority if they refuse to govern according to their professed principles. I am all about moving policy on a whole host of issues. I don’t care who gets the fancier office in the Capitol building.


  3. Da_Beerfreak
    3 | February 11, 2014 8:06 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    About the only thing we can count on from the Republicans is that you can not count on them. Major disappointment every time… :evil:


  4. 4 | February 11, 2014 8:17 am

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    It does seem that way. When we elected the Republicans in 1994, it was in a large part over anger over Bill Clinton’s gun control policies, and they adamantly refused to repeal any of that legislation. IIRC, Gingrich did take a vote in the House, but that was only after 30-40 pro-gun Democrats threatened to bring it to the floor if he didn’t. And Bob Dole (R-Useless) refused to even consider it in the Senate. What good does it do to vote a Revolution if the people you replace essentially go nowhere? If policy remains the same no matter who you elect, then really there is no point in voting. Yes, the “Assault Weapons” ban expired because of a sunset clause in the original legislation, but if that hadn’t been there it would still be the law of the land. Now, there won’t be a reauthorization of it, because both the Democrats and the Republicans understand that such a vote would be toxic (Diane Feinstein barely got 40 votes in the Democrat controlled Senate for that), but they haven’t repealed even one law. Personally, I think most laws should have sunset provisions in them, and force the Congress to reaffirm the policy from time to time. That way if they are too cowardly to repeal laws, they at least will have to vote to affirm them periodically. There’s really no question that we have way too many laws. Pretty much everyone has committed a felony at some time or another over something. They just haven’t been charged or investigated over it.


  5. 5 | February 11, 2014 8:19 am

    OT, but for those that never saw/don’t remember it…


  6. rain of lead
    6 | February 11, 2014 8:22 am

    morning friends in the box

    how is everyone today?


  7. Da_Beerfreak
    7 | February 11, 2014 8:25 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    All laws should have a sunset provisions in them. It would make for a good Constitutional Amendment. (I know an Amendment on anything would never pass nowadays.)
    @ Mike C.:
    Classic.


  8. Da_Beerfreak
    8 | February 11, 2014 8:26 am

    @ rain of lead:
    The usual; pissed off and bitchy… :twisted:


  9. 9 | February 11, 2014 8:26 am

    @ rain of lead:

    Well, that bug I was tracking down yesterday in my project appears to be fixed. It wasn’t working (or didn’t seem to be) yesterday when I left, but seems to be generally working this morning. I really don’t get that, but ok then. It is working now all except for a default value for one of the parameters. Fun, fun. Hey, when do you start your new job?


  10. 10 | February 11, 2014 8:31 am

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Yeah, maybe make it such that any law passed by congress has a ten-year lifespan, after which it must be re-affirmed by the Legislature and the President. If a law is good and effective, this will be no more than a formality, but if a law is bad and only passed by crooked means (i.e. ObamaCare), then in ten years the law goes away, and hopefully Congress will have been changed enough that it won’t get re-authorized. But you are right. No constitutional amendments are going to get through in today’s political environment. That is one reason I am not too thrilled with Mark Levin’s efforts to have a Constitutional Convention. I don’t think you will be able to get the requisite number of States to ratify any amendments if, indeed, they can even get any amendments through the convention in the first place.


  11. rain of lead
    11 | February 11, 2014 8:35 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    my orientation is tomorrow and my first full day is sunday
    because I will be on the night shift I’ll get an extra .50 per hr
    shift differential and since I work sunday those 10 hrs get another .50 per hr weekend differential PLUS I get another 10 hrs ot option

    so yeah
    my ass is glad to be going back to work
    (we’ll not talk about how happy momcat is)


  12. 12 | February 11, 2014 8:37 am

    Did you guys see this yesterday:

    In January 2013, the Ohio Army National Guard 52nd Civil Support Unit conducted a “training exercise” for a scenario in which “two school employees…[became] disgruntled over the government’s interpretation of the Second Amendment” and launched a terror attack.

    Details of the training are just now beginning to emerge.

    Mediatrackers.org obtained documents outlining the training exercise, in which Second Amendment supporters launch a biological attack. The documents describe the exercise as “[centering] around the production of a chemical warfare agent and a biological warfare agent with the intent to cause harm to the community.”

    The moments immediately after the attack are described thus:

    The public health department reports that an unusually large number of individuals are being treated at local hospitals and urgent care facilities with nausea, vomiting, & diarrhea with flu-like symptoms. More concerning is that many of them have irritated red burning skin with blisters.

    On January 18, 2013, Portsmouth’s WSAZ News Channel 3 reported: “A dead science teacher, weapons of mass destruction, first responders in Hazmat suits and the Ohio National Guard [were] all [spotted] near the municipal stadium in Portsmouth. [But] there’s no cause for alarm--this [was] just a drill!”

    Portsmouth Police Chief Bill Raisin defended the exercise and reminded the public that “there is such a thing as domestic terrorism.”

    Yeah, because school teachers have access to mustard gas or nerve gas (which is what the symptoms look like to me). And, of course, because supporters of the Second Amendment are just known for all their acts of terrorism. As opposed to, say, Muslims. Everybody knows that Muslims are peace-loving people. :roll:


  13. 13 | February 11, 2014 8:39 am

    @ rain of lead:

    Good, man. I hope you enjoy the job. My wife’s current contract ended last Friday, so we are hoping something breaks loose for her fairly quickly. She has an inside-track to a job that may be coming open at Scripps later this month or towards the first of March. This isn’t an economy you want to be without a job in.


  14. Da_Beerfreak
    14 | February 11, 2014 8:41 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    We are fast running out of options for a peaceful solutions to our current problems. When the Trolls in Mordor on the Potomac run out of other peoples money they will no longer be able to buy the peace of the parasite class and then all hell will break loose. It can’t end well.


  15. rain of lead
    15 | February 11, 2014 8:42 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    but but but….
    the Dems say that is good, ya know…choice and all, freedom to be lazy or something


  16. Da_Beerfreak
    16 | February 11, 2014 8:44 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    I saw that. It’s gives me the warm fuzzies to know I’m that hated by my Government… :twisted:


  17. rain of lead
    17 | February 11, 2014 8:48 am

    oh thank GOD!

    NBC Replacing Hideous Freak With Matt Lauer

    Bob Costas announced Tuesday morning on Today that his eye infection, which has since spread to both eyes, will force him to miss Tuesday night’s primetime performance. (The vodka shot with Mary Carillo apparently didn’t help.)


  18. 18 | February 11, 2014 8:48 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    my orientation is tomorrow and my first full day is sunday
    because I will be on the night shift I’ll get an extra .50 per hr
    shift differential and since I work sunday those 10 hrs get another .50 per hr weekend differential PLUS I get another 10 hrs ot option

    so yeah
    my ass is glad to be going back to work
    (we’ll not talk about how happy momcat is)

    Fantastic! It sounds like a good gig! I’m so happy for both of you….


  19. Speranza
    19 | February 11, 2014 8:51 am

    Shirely Temple Black R.I.P.


  20. rain of lead
    20 | February 11, 2014 8:51 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    you’ll get a kick out of this (in a non-ironic sort of way)

    Contractor hired to fix Healthcare.gov reportedly has history of problems

    Accenture, the contractor hired to fix ongoing problems with the federal health exchange website, has been heavily criticized by some of its largest clients, including federal agencies, according to a published report.

    The Washington Post reports that the U.S. Postal Service Inspector General’s Office recommended this past June that the agency consider terminating more than $200 million in contracts with Accenture. The recommendation cited an “absence of business ethics” by the firm, including a 2011 settlement with the Justice Department to resolve allegations of “kickbacks” and “bid-rigging” in federal contracts. Accenture, which paid $63 million to resolve the claims, denied the allegations

    gotta laugh so I won’t cry


  21. rain of lead
    21 | February 11, 2014 8:52 am

    @ MacDuff:

    thanks
    sometimes it’s true what they say about doors closing and other ones opening


  22. 22 | February 11, 2014 8:55 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Man, the fever swamps in the minds of these people come up with some weird shit. Second Amendment bioterrorists? Yeah, right…..


  23. 23 | February 11, 2014 8:57 am

    It does feel good to get back to work…


  24. Da_Beerfreak
    24 | February 11, 2014 8:57 am

    @ rain of lead:
    It’s to be expected from a bunch of Enron rethreads with a history of fleecing the government when they think no one is watching… :cool:


  25. 25 | February 11, 2014 8:57 am

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Yeah, don’t see it ending well, either. If this were an isolated incident, we could say someone just got stupid, but we see this pattern of demonizing conservatives over and over. It is clear that somebody is trying to prepare the government, including military troops, for war against the American civilian population. This has been happening since Clinton was President (though I am not aware of any drills like this being done under the Bush administration.


  26. MikeA
    26 | February 11, 2014 9:02 am

    @ rain of lead:

    I worked for Andersen Consulting in the 90′s before it became Accenture to get it away from the Arthur Andersen scandal. It was known for being a high priced firm that didn’t do things very well. I remember working on a project with some snot nosed kid who was 6 months out of college. He had to setup the help desk and went to the internal database to find ones used at other companies then used them for the project @ this chem company. The idiot forgot to change the name of the old company he took it from in half docs. We were also told to sell them software they didn’t need to pad the contract. I remember after the implementation team left and I came on as part of the run team. I told them they didn’t need half this crap and to get rid of it. They did pay well and I got some nice trips to Germany out of them…. ;)


  27. rain of lead
    27 | February 11, 2014 9:02 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    anybody that says the military would not attack citizens, well, not so sure anymore


  28. 28 | February 11, 2014 9:02 am

    @ rain of lead:

    I can’t stand Costas.


  29. 29 | February 11, 2014 9:04 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    thanks
    sometimes it’s true what they say about doors closing and other ones opening

    Yeah, I went through a couple of those unexpected doors myself. I managed a distribution op for 30 years and I always really dug the environment. Best years of my life!

    Now, we need to get lobo a position! Has Dorian found something?

    Geez, this place is a microcosm of America and it ain’t pretty….


  30. 30 | February 11, 2014 9:04 am

    @ rain of lead:

    I wonder how Accenture is connected to the Obama Administration? Because there really isn’t any possibility that this no-bid contract was given as free money to some Obama/Democrat crony.


  31. rain of lead
    31 | February 11, 2014 9:07 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    oh you KNOW there was some back scratching going on somewhere


  32. MikeA
    32 | February 11, 2014 9:07 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    anybody that says the military would not attack citizens, well, not so sure anymore

    It would kick of the second civil war. Figure most of the military would say no but you would have a pretty good percentage that would do it. Would make for crazy times.


  33. rain of lead
    33 | February 11, 2014 9:08 am

    @ Rodan:

    I think that whole pink eye thing is just funny as hell


  34. 34 | February 11, 2014 9:09 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ rain of lead:

    I wonder how Accenture is connected to the Obama Administration? Because there really isn’t any possibility that this no-bid contract was given as free money to some Obama/Democrat crony.

    They always accused Halliburton of being a Cheney crony……but Halliburton did a pretty damned good job, I’ll give ‘em that!


  35. rain of lead
    35 | February 11, 2014 9:09 am

    @ MikeA:
    reg troops not so much but natl guard and local police plus all the agencys shock troops…..ugh


  36. RIX
    36 | February 11, 2014 9:11 am

    @ MacDuff:
    Yeah, I went through a couple of those unexpected doors myself. I managed a distribution op for 30 years and I always really dug the environment. Best years of my life!

    Now, we need to get lobo a position! Has Dorian found something?

    Geez, this place is a microcosm of America and it ain’t pretty….

    But being out of work is liberating! You can pursue your dreams while getting food stamps & subsidized health care.
    This is the level of lunacy that now runs things is society is dismantled.


  37. 37 | February 11, 2014 9:12 am

    MikeA wrote:

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    anybody that says the military would not attack citizens, well, not so sure anymore

    It would kick of the second civil war. Figure most of the military would say no but you would have a pretty good percentage that would do it. Would make for crazy times.

    Once that line is crossed in earnest, we’re through the looking glass.


  38. eaglesoars
    38 | February 11, 2014 9:15 am

    Accenture knows perfectly well Obamacare software is unfixable. They took the contract solely for the money and the hell with everything else.


  39. 39 | February 11, 2014 9:17 am

    @ RIX:
    Top o’ da day to ya, RIX! I’m not relegated to Obamacare and I’m not poor, but I miss working more than many would expect. “Liberation” ain’t always what it’s cracked up to be…….


  40. rain of lead
    40 | February 11, 2014 9:17 am

    popcorn, get yer popcorn here…
    peanuts, fresh roasted peanuts here….

    Is California Finally About to Address Its Looming Pension Crisis?

    (short answer, no.)

    A good sign is that Assembly leaders now say they will take on the massive shortfall in the State Teachers Retirement System (CalSTRS) that provides retirement, disability and survivor benefits for California’s 868,493 teachers and their families. Speaker John Perez says he wants to find a way to begin paying down the $80 billion unfunded liability for teacher pensions and the Assembly will hold hearing on the issue this month.

    (flounder sez, this is gonna be great.)

    CalSTRS is close to falling into the abyss. However, neither of the systems is likely to ever go over the edge because taxpayers are obligated to maintain their solvency, no matter the cost.

    Governor Brown, who has espoused government frugality and responsibility — while increasing state spending — ignored the unfunded pension systems in his proposed state budget.

    In fairness to Brown, two years ago, he proposed a fairly decent pension reform package. But by the time the Legislature got through with the governor’s plan, all that remained was some modest changes to address the worst of pension abuses including a few to prevent “pension spiking.”

    (but it will be different this time?)

    Of course the Speaker may have been nudged along after seeing poll results, including one by PPIC that shows that over 80 percent of adults believe that the money spent on pensions is a problem for state and local government budgets. The poll further reveals that more than 70 percent would favor a change from a defined benefit – a guaranteed monthly payout at retirement — to a defined contribution system, similar to a 401(k) plan

    (but 100% of teachers in a union say fuck you.)

    this will be fun to watch


  41. 41 | February 11, 2014 9:19 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Accenture knows perfectly well Obamacare software is unfixable. They took the contract solely for the money and the hell with everything else.

    Yeah they figure there’s still some blood left in that carcass and they’re gone get some whist it’s still warm.


  42. rain of lead
    42 | February 11, 2014 9:19 am

    @ MacDuff:

    we’ve been way on the wrong side of the looking glass for a while now


  43. 43 | February 11, 2014 9:22 am

    @ MacDuff:

    A 2nd Civil War may not play out like many think.


  44. 44 | February 11, 2014 9:22 am

    @ MikeA:

    Yup a Royal rumble free for all.


  45. MikeA
    45 | February 11, 2014 9:24 am

    @ rain of lead:

    My favorite part…

    Governor Brown, who has espoused government frugality and responsibility — while increasing state spending — ignored the unfunded pension systems in his proposed state budget.

    Can you say cognative dissonance. I knew ya could…


  46. RIX
    46 | February 11, 2014 9:28 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Top o’ da day to ya, RIX! I’m not relegated to Obamacare and I’m not poor, but I miss working more than many would expect. “Liberation” ain’t always what it’s cracked up to be…….

    Yo Mac! How’s by you?
    I hear ya & I feel for ya. I have never enjoyed being unemployed. Maybe it’s a Democrat thang?


  47. 47 | February 11, 2014 9:29 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    A 2nd Civil War may not play out like many think.

    There’s a case to be made that it’s already being fought.


  48. 48 | February 11, 2014 9:33 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Its a cold civil war, but keep in mind if the shooting starts, it may not be what people think. There will be opportunists, foreign nations backing different factions and just unpredictability. Its not something I wish, because the end result may not be what everyone thinks.


  49. RIX
    49 | February 11, 2014 9:39 am

    @ Rodan:
    If the American military ever fires on citizens for peaceful assembly or just being in opposition, all bets are off.
    People would have to choose sided & there would be no middle ground.
    I think that the military would have wholesale mutiny to join the opposition.


  50. MikeA
    50 | February 11, 2014 9:40 am

    @ Rodan:

    It will be nasty and brutish. Thats why I think…


  51. 51 | February 11, 2014 9:41 am

    @ MikeA:

    Yup, a true free for fall. It may result in the US broken up into several countries or under a dictatorship. Its not something to fathom.


  52. 52 | February 11, 2014 9:41 am

    @ RIX:

    There may not be one opposition. There may be several with different agendas.


  53. 53 | February 11, 2014 9:45 am

    Watch them back down when the media and popular culture begin their assault.

    House GOP rolls dice on debt limit

    I don’t get why the Republican do this. They get their asses kicked all the time. They must be into S&M.


  54. 54 | February 11, 2014 9:46 am

    RIX wrote:

    Yo Mac! How’s by you?
    I hear ya & I feel for ya. I have never enjoyed being unemployed. Maybe it’s a Democrat thang?

    I’m good, man, looking forward to Ash Wednesday- my Lenten sacrifice will, once again, be alcohol and it’s good for the soul. It’s also a sign of Spring, also a boost for the soul.

    I’m feeling like a “Soul Man”….


  55. MikeA
    55 | February 11, 2014 9:49 am

    Well, the east coast is supposed to get another storm on Thursday. 10+ inches expected where I live.

    If I see Al Gore, I want to throw a snowball at him…


  56. 56 | February 11, 2014 9:51 am

    @ MikeA:

    In a fair world, Gore would be a bum on the street.


  57. rain of lead
    57 | February 11, 2014 9:51 am

    @ MikeA:
    make sure there is a sharp rock in the middle


  58. 58 | February 11, 2014 9:52 am

    MikeA wrote:

    Well, the east coast is supposed to get another storm on Thursday. 10+ inches expected where I live.

    If I see Al Gore, I want to throw a snowball at him…

    Put a chunk of ice in the middle of it…..heh heh


  59. 59 | February 11, 2014 9:52 am

    @ rain of lead:

    GMTA!


  60. rain of lead
    60 | February 11, 2014 9:56 am

    @ MacDuff:

    heh
    my idea is better


  61. 61 | February 11, 2014 9:58 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    heh
    my idea is better

    So stipulated! :D


  62. rain of lead
    62 | February 11, 2014 10:02 am

    ughhhh
    snowpoclypse part II

    Georgia Winter Storm Could Be ‘Catastrophic Event’

    ATLANTA—In a rare dire warning, forecasters say a winter storm making its way to the region could be a “catastrophic event” for residents across metro Atlanta and much of Georgia.

    National Weather Service forecasters issued the warning Tuesday morning. They say the storm could reach “historical proportions.”

    Many residents already are heeding officials’ advice to stay home. Schools are canceled, and Atlanta streets were largely empty during the usually busy morning commute.

    Forecasters say widespread outages are possible as ice builds up on trees and power lines. The ice threat is expected to begin in Georgia overnight. As much as 9 inches of snow could fall in parts of north Georgia by Wednesday night.

    Other areas of the South, from the Carolinas to Alabama, also were expected to see a wintry mix of snow, ice and freezing rain.

    and you know how much snow there has been in mid ten this winter?
    not one damn bit

    grrrrrr


  63. RIX
    63 | February 11, 2014 10:10 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    There may not be one opposition. There may be several with different agendas.

    I would hate to see it happen.
    But, do you remember when Obama floated the idea of a “Civilian Defense Force” to rival the American Military?
    A huge palace guard, loyal to him. Why ever would he want that?


  64. RIX
    64 | February 11, 2014 10:12 am

    @ MacDuff:
    Soul Man? Yo, yo ,yo tell it bro!


  65. rain of lead
    65 | February 11, 2014 10:18 am

    for Boehner, there is no hill to die get a paper cut on.

    Boehner Sets Clean Vote for Borrowing Limit

    House Speaker Abandons Plan to Link Debt Limit to Veterans Pension Increase


  66. rain of lead
    66 | February 11, 2014 10:18 am

    Boehner says he has spoken with Pelosi about need for D votes, needs to find 18 R votes to help pass clean


  67. rain of lead
    67 | February 11, 2014 10:20 am

    Boehner says he’ll have to find 18 Rs to vote for debt limit if all dems vote yes


  68. 68 | February 11, 2014 10:24 am

    @ rain of lead:

    Wow that was quick, see my#53.


  69. 69 | February 11, 2014 10:24 am

    Ron Christie is utterly delusional.


  70. rain of lead
    70 | February 11, 2014 10:25 am

    this x1000

    Perhaps it’s time for all Democrats to be more free to make choices, not to be bound by their jobs in public office.
    On Election Day, remember to bring freedom, choice and FUNemployment to the Democrats … by not voting for them


  71. 71 | February 11, 2014 10:31 am

    @ Rodan:

    undoubtedly there will be. Violent Revolution is the goal of Leftism, always. They hope to provoke a civil war so that they can use the ensuing chaos to catapult them into a dictatorship. This is basic Marxism 101. Sherman said “War is hell”, and he was right. The only thing that is worse than war is to surrender your freedom with the war unfought.


  72. 72 | February 11, 2014 10:38 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The problem is like I said, it may not turn out the way everyone thinks. The Marxists think they will end up on top. Conservatives think they will end up on top. What if it is neither, but another force ends up on top? What is no one ends up on top and the US fractures into several countries.

    Its a Pandora box and people pining for a civil war should think long and hard.


  73. RIX
    73 | February 11, 2014 10:41 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    The problem is like I said, it may not turn out the way everyone thinks. The Marxists think they will end up on top. Conservatives think they will end up on top. What if it is neither, but another force ends up on top? What is no one ends up on top and the US fractures into several countries.

    Its a Pandora box and people pining for a civil war should think long and hard.

    truth. A Civil War would not be a good thing.


  74. 74 | February 11, 2014 10:42 am

    @ RIX:

    Yup, hence why I get chills seeing discussion of it.


  75. 75 | February 11, 2014 10:48 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Yup, hence why I get chills seeing discussion of it.

    True. In our 19th Century Civil War, while Lee surrendered, there were really no victors. All of us lost.


  76. 76 | February 11, 2014 10:49 am

    RIX wrote:

    But, do you remember when Obama floated the idea of a “Civilian Defense Force” to rival the American Military?

    Already here, already full in place, just waiting to be ordered into battle against the American people.

    Legions and Lictors – the Praetorian Class

    The Praetorian Class includes members of the Armed Services, federal, state and local law enforcement personnel as well as numerous militarized officials including agents from the DEA, Immigrations, Customs Enforcement, Air Marshalls, US Marshalls, and more. It also includes, although to a lesser extent, various stage actors in the expanding security theater such as TSA personnel. The main mission of the Praetorian Class is to keep the order of the day. This requires displaying an intimidating presence in their interactions with the Economic Class.

    As the Praetorian Class ascends, the clear, albeit unstated, message that emerges is that actions and events in the Economic Class only occur with its tacit consent. Whether driving on roads, traveling in the air, visiting public land, walking down the street or even living in your own home, every action you take is predicated on its permission. By preconditioning the populace to enforcement of its edicts, most of which are completely arbitrary, the Praetorian Class sets itself up for a high degree of autonomy in its actions. This is confirmed by the fact that consequences for malfeasance within the Praetorian Class are almost never observed, and when it happens, it typically becomes a grotesque spectacle in which one of their own is sacrificed as an example, so as to keep appearances of effective internal controls.

    Members of the Praetorian Class are typically recruited from the Economic Class and usually from the lower socio-economic spectrum, which offers them an opportunity for personal and professional gain that otherwise might be out of their reach. Early on in the training and indoctrination process, a strong emphasis is placed on teamwork and advancing the welfare of the team above the individual. While independent thought is never overtly discouraged, the fact is that questioning authority and failing to display complete loyalty to the team results in censure, shunning and even expulsion. Naturally, the recruit learns in short order which behavior is rewarded and responds accordingly. This forges a lifelong, unbreakable bond between the brothers-in-arms. This bond can be observed when people proudly display unit insignia and decorations decades after their departure from service.

    As they serve in their martial role, members of the Praetorian Class learn to despise members of the Political Class and to view the plight of the Economic Class with detachment or even contempt. Law enforcement and military personnel will converse behind closed doors about the most horrific injustices and brutalities with cavalier amusement. While perhaps natural, their training for violence and teamwork is a fundamental cause for why members of the Praetorian Class abandon their roots and in time come to view their peers “back on the farm” with contempt. Likewise, the steady displays of the craven and treacherous character of the Political Class causes the Praetorian Class to privately disavow emotional allegiance to their masters, usually early in their service.

    Naturally, as the members of the Praetorian Class socially distance themselves from both their origins and their masters, even though they are paid to do their bidding, a new group identity among them emerges. Adoption of this group identity, forged by the training, indoctrination and work, defines membership in the Praetorian Class. Some of the characteristics of this identity include:

    Viewing everything and everyone according to a perceived threat posture. The members’ thought processes, beliefs and actions center on viewing the world through a paradigm of a graduated conflict spectrum and how to posture themselves accordingly. Even in the most mundane settings, their conversations tend to be awkward if not centered on their martial duties.

    Tight internal socialization. Because they view life through a martial paradigm, members tend to socialize almost exclusively amongst themselves. Immediate family members are expected to do the same, which naturally occurs anyway as they can share experiences that external relationships simply are unable to address.

    Loyalty is the highest honor. Whether referred to as the blue wall of silence or the brotherhood in arms, even the most egregious transgressions are buried. If the misdeeds are internal, meaning member versus member, the justice is handled internally. On the other hand, external missteps are typically swept under the rug and significant chicane is experienced by outsiders who seek to learn the truth.

    In a relatively free and peaceful society, members of the communities that form the Praetorian Class lead a discrete existence. Members of the military commute to and from their place of work and are largely invisible to both the Political and Economic Class, certainly in communities that are not “Praetorian” communities. Attendance at cultural events in uniform is frowned upon, if not explicitly forbidden. During these times, members of the military and law enforcement are expected to live and operate outside the perception of other members of society, their purpose and function regarded with a sense of detachment and perhaps even subtle curiosity.

    As the Political Class increasingly calls upon the Praetorian Class to ensure their order, however, their martial nature becomes more visible in the fabric of day-to-day life. This serves several purposes. For one, it allows the Political Class to demonstrate its willingness to use unlimited force to achieve its objectives, something that was always the case but is now made publicly visible. Rationalizing the increased public profile, a stream of honorifics is bestowed upon the Praetorian Class so that they may be presented as defenders of the Economic Class. This is accomplished through the time-tested use of pageantry, pomp and circumstance.

    Over time, additional perquisites are bestowed upon the Praetorian Class including preferential treatment in both private and public facilities. Preferred air travel accommodations for uniformed personnel, including dedicated lines at TSA checkpoints and preferential boarding, have recently emerged as cultural standards that further distance the Praetorian Class from the masses.

    Another clear change is the physical appearance of members of the Praetorian Class. The uniforms transition from relatively inconspicuous attire to “battle uniforms” such are those now standard issue to both the military and law enforcement personnel. These optics reinforce the position of the Praetorian Class as maintainers of public order, convey a message of physical dominance and establish chronic low-level fear among the masses. Sometimes referred to as the militarization of the police force, this characterization traditionally refers to the increasing firepower in even municipal police departments. Frequently lost in this observation, however, is the psychological impact that such a heavily armed police presence has on the “civilian” population – specifically that it further separates the Praetorian Class from the Economic Class.

    As the influence of the Praetorian Class grows, so do the resources it consumes. This is manifested in the form of continuous “equipment” upgrades, training budgets and costly “interagency collaboration” in addition to the usual staff augmentation. This, of course, has the ancillary benefit of directing resources to equipment and service providers that are favored by the Political Class and in some cases may in fact be the primary purpose.

    Perhaps less obvious is the need to constantly keep the Praetorian Class on the march. A bored Praetorian is a dangerous creature that will start looking for things to do. In order to keep the Praetorian Class engaged, they must be fed a continuous source of adversaries that they in turn actively engage. In “peace time,” actual engagement is replaced by training and rehearsing the defeat of the adversaries.

    While the Praetorian Class emerges as its own entity, with allegiance only to the members’ peers, the most senior of the Praetorians are eventually invited to join the Political Class. Prior to that occurring, they are vetted for suitability, after which they become “made men.” Consider the long list of senior military officers and police chiefs that joined the ranks of the political elite. It is a sight to behold, their new-found support of the Political Class, a class they had silently held in contempt until their recent assumption. Metropolitan police chiefs, district attorneys and joint chiefs of staff are selected for political compatibility, not conviction of character.

    How Does It Play Out?

    History does not keep a flattering record of societies that allowed the Praetorian Class to rise. The Roman Empire’s decline from splendor to squalor extended for two centuries whereas the Nazi Third Reich collapsed in less than two decades. The continuous drain on productive resources, continuous warfare against new foes, abrogation of human rights and liberties and a pervasive culture of fear inevitably send the society into a tail spin. Some societies are able to observe the retreat of the Praetorian Class, but it is usually a function of economic necessity and often after a great price has been paid by the general population.

    Unfortunately, as the tragedy unfolds, the Economic Class often tries to ride out the calamity. This is understandable, since people have a limited capacity to internalize long-term trends. In fact, because people adjust to new circumstances relatively quickly, it is almost impossible for them to compare the condition of life in the present versus the past. The common vernacular for this concept is “the new normal”, which upon the slightest reflection represents an obvious paradox, since the word normal implies a historically stable trend.

    The Third Reich as a Textbook Example

    History books are filled with examples of societies that have seen the rise of the Praetorian Class, followed by their own subsequent collapse, ranging from the Roman Empire to the Soviet Union. Of all the examples, however, none seems more instructive than the rise and fall of the Nazi Third Reich in Germany.

    Over a period of two decades, starting with the collapse of the Weimar Republic and the end of World War II, Germany saw the rise of a charismatic demagogue, the rise of police and paramilitary forces, the development of a military-industrial complex, the assumption of industry by the State, the demonization and persecution of scapegoats finally resulting in widespread warfare and societal ruin. Because the timeline is relatively compressed compared to other historical examples, spanning a single generation, the Third Reich serves as an excellent example of the broader consequences a society experiences when we observe the rise of the Praetorian Class. Furthermore, by virtue of its recent occurrence, many cultural and technological parallels serve as clear milestones.


  77. Da_Beerfreak
    77 | February 11, 2014 10:51 am

    I’ll not surrender without out one hell of a fight. If I can’t win I’ll make damn sure to take a few of the bastards to Hell with me instead. I have no plans to start a fight, but if one starts I’ll do my best to bring it to an end in my favor…


  78. rain of lead
    78 | February 11, 2014 10:52 am

    this x1,000,000

    Boehner ‘has telegraphed weakness to Democrats and sabotaged conservative efforts so many times that Republicans now have no leverage’


  79. 79 | February 11, 2014 10:53 am

    @ doriangrey:

    The California Police are another paramilitary force. You have discussed the Fascist nature of the Police in your state.


  80. 80 | February 11, 2014 10:56 am

    @ MacDuff:

    There had to be times when even Lincoln questioned the wisdom of not letting the South go. If the man had any self-reflection, he had to consider that. It was a terrible war. I am sure that the South, too, questioned the wisdom of secession. How could they not? But both sides saw it as an existential conflict, as, indeed, it was. The South was practically destroyed by the war. Who would wish for such a thing? But our Cold Civil War could turn hot under the right circumstances. Like Rodan, I hope we don’t see that come to pass. But it is something we have to be aware of.


  81. RIX
    81 | February 11, 2014 10:56 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Yup, hence why I get chills seeing discussion of it.

    You have to hope that things will never come to that.
    Fortunately, Obama is term limited, because I honestly thing that he could push us into it.


  82. 82 | February 11, 2014 10:57 am

    @ doriangrey:

    No. I reject the Nazi inference out of hand.


  83. lobo91
    83 | February 11, 2014 11:00 am

    @ RIX:

    Fortunately, Obama is term limited, because I honestly thing that he could push us into it.

    Although I’m not generally one who goes off into Alex Jones conspiracy land, what about the past five years leads you to believe that Obama cares about the fact that he’s legally required to step down in January of 2017?


  84. 84 | February 11, 2014 11:02 am

    @ lobo91:

    what about the past five years leads you to believe that Obama cares about the fact that he’s legally required to step down in January of 2017?

    Bingo!

    Part of me still thinks with the help of Hollywood, Obama will perform some divine ritual and be declared a god.


  85. rain of lead
    85 | February 11, 2014 11:03 am

    @ lobo91:
    mornibg Lobo

    any news on the job offer?


  86. lobo91
    86 | February 11, 2014 11:06 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    mornibg Lobo
    any news on the job offer?

    Not yet. I’m not expecting to hear anything until later in the week, though.


  87. rain of lead
    87 | February 11, 2014 11:07 am

    some feel good news

    Shaun White makes kids’ wishes come true

    Moments after qualifying for the halfpipe final with the best score in the competition, two-time Olympic gold medalist Shaun White did a round of TV interviews and was about to meet with another group of reporters when he hurdled the fence in the mixed zone to make a kid’s wish come true.

    If it sounds Disneyesque, it is.

    Ten-year-old Ben Hughes of St. Louis, had leukemia diagnosed in 2010. He came there with Kaitlyn Lyle, a 19-year-old Alabama undergrad, who four years ago lie in a hospital bed at Sacred Heart Children’s Hospital in Pensacola, Fla., undergoing chemotherapy treatments for osteo sarcoma, a rare form of bone cancer.

    But hearing both kids’ stories, I told the U.S. snowboarding press attache that White might want to consider saying hello to the kids as he passed through the mixed zone — which is about an eight-feet swath of snow from the barricaded area where fans watch. While Ben and Kaitlyn wouldn’t get to touch Shaun, at least they could wave and say hi from behind the plastic barrier.

    That all changed when White saw Ben in his USA beanie cap and waving his miniature American flag. He leapt over the barrier, catching some of the best air of his career.

    Both kids were ashen-faced and didn’t know what to say at first before they all exchanged hugs and kind words for about a minute. Liz Hughes began crying, and another day at the Olympics was pretty much awesome before even the halfpipe finals arrived.


  88. lobo91
    88 | February 11, 2014 11:07 am

    @ Rodan:

    I’m not actually suggesting that he won’t leave office when his term ends, just pointing out that it certainly would be within character for him not to.


  89. rain of lead
    89 | February 11, 2014 11:08 am

    @ lobo91:

    the process takes a long time, does it not?


  90. Da_Beerfreak
    90 | February 11, 2014 11:09 am

    @ lobo91:
    I’m counting on his handlers easing him out of the White Hut to make room for the next palooka at the end of his term.


  91. 91 | February 11, 2014 11:11 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    No. I reject the Nazi inference out of hand.

    Denial is no place to live.

    Ohio National Guard Training Envisions Right-Wing Terrorism

    Documents from an Ohio National Guard (ONG) training drill conducted last January reveal the details of a mock disaster where Second Amendment supporters with “anti-government” opinions were portrayed as domestic terrorists.

    The Ohio National Guard’s Civil Support Team practices in a May 2013 drill at Put-in-Bay

    The ONG 52nd Civil Support Team training scenario involved a plot from local school district employees to use biological weapons in order to advance their beliefs about “protecting Gun Rights and Second Amendment rights.”

    Portsmouth Chief of Police Bill Raisin told NBC 3 WSAZ-TV in Huntington, West Virginia that the drill accurately represented “the reality of the world we live in,” adding that such training “helps us all be prepared.”

    Internal ONG documents provided to Media Trackers after repeated delays provide further context to what WSAZ-TV reported last winter.

    In the disaster-preparedness scenario, two Portsmouth Junior High School employees poisoned school lunches with mustard gas, acting on orders from white-nationalist leader William Pierce.

    The ONG team discovered biological weapons being produced in the school, requiring activation of containment and decontamination procedures.

    Participants in the disaster drill located documents expressing the school employees’ “anti-government” sentiments, as well as a note identifying Pierce as the fictional right-wing terrorists’ leader.

    ONG’s 52nd Civil Support Unit participated in a similar drill involving left-wing terrorists with Athens County first responders last year; public officials apologized for that training the next day in response to complaints from local environmentalist groups.

    No apology to Ohioans who supported limited government and the Second Amendment appears to be forthcoming.

    Scioto County Emergency Management Agency director Kim Carver refused to comment, telling Media Trackers she was “not going to get into an Ohio Army National Guard issue that you have with them.”

    Ohio National Guard Communications Director James Sims II suggested Media Trackers was “inferring” from the ONG document’s contents as opposed to “what’s actually in the report.”

    After excerpts of the report were read to him, Sims said it was “not relevant” to understand why conservatives may feel unduly targeted by ONG’s training scenario.

    “Okay, I’m gonna stop ya there. I’m going to quit this conversation,” Sims concluded. “You have a good day.”

    Buckeye Firearms Association spokesman Chad Baus told Media Trackers that “it is a scary day indeed when law enforcement are being trained that Second Amendment advocates are the enemy,”

    “The revelation of this information is appalling to me, and to all citizens of Ohio who are true conservatives and patriots, who don’t have guns for any other reason than that the Second Amendment gives them that right,” Portage County TEA Party Executive Director Tom Zawistowski said in a separate Media Trackers interview.


  92. 92 | February 11, 2014 11:12 am

    @ rain of lead:

    Good on ‘im!


  93. 93 | February 11, 2014 11:21 am

    @ MacDuff:

    You don’t have to accept the Nazi reference to accept that our government is on a path that leads to Authoritarianism, at the least. The run of the mill Democrat may not be evil. He or she is just a tool. Lenin called them “Useful Idiots”. But the leadership of the Democrat Party is Authoritarian/totalitarian in their aims. They want absolute power. They believe that there is “no controlling authority” on the power of the State, and they have no scruples about using that power to quash dissent and punish heresy.


  94. 94 | February 11, 2014 11:22 am

    @ lobo91:

    I can see him him not leaving. I am not joking about Obama pulling a godhood stunt. There is nothing this man would not do.


  95. 95 | February 11, 2014 11:23 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    Denial is no place to live.

    Yeah, “denial” has become that all-purpose word to shame those with a differing opinion, on both sides, hasn’t it?.

    Believe in the Fourth Reich if you will, but I reject it. With all due respect, dredging up Hitler was tacky and destructive during the “BusHitler” days and it’s no less so now. On one side we want to dig up Reagan and on the other side we dread our opposition digging up Hitler.

    It’s time for new heroes….and villains.

    As I said, I reject the Nazi allusion and charges of “denier!” won’t change that.


  96. 96 | February 11, 2014 11:26 am

    that we have a President who is pulling this stunt to pimp out a current law which now has five candles on the birthday cake

    They’ve not been able to make this work in five years, and probably can’t make it work in five more years. The question is, will the voting public buy what Obama and the Democrats are selling? They’ve made it clear that they are not competent to have power, but will the voters take that power away? We will see. If they do, will the Republicans be any better?


  97. rain of lead
    97 | February 11, 2014 11:27 am

    Keeping Track of the Rule

    House Republicans will vote to cleanly raise the debt ceiling today. They will do so relying on Democrat votes to make it happen.

    Many House Republicans will vote against raising the debt ceiling.

    But before they do that, they will vote for the rule related to the legislation. Each major piece of legislation has a rule that gets voted on setting out the parameters of debate, etc. If the rule passes, more often than not the legislation itself passes. Voting for the rule thereby enables the underlying legislation to pass.

    The Republicans get this and the House GOP will often vote for the rule, then vote against the underlying legislation knowing they’ve just enabled it to pass without their vote.

    Consequently, at RedState we are taking the editorial position that any Republican voting for the rule will be considered to have voted for the debt ceiling increase.

    We will be broadcasting their names as supporters of the debt ceiling increase and will be working with other groups to provide this information to their constituents.

    If a Republican votes for the rule to raise the debt ceiling, they have voted to raise the debt ceiling, they know they have done so, and they will not be given pass for washing their hands of the final vote. The debt ceiling legislation would never be able to get to the floor without the GOP voting first for the rule.


  98. 98 | February 11, 2014 11:29 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    You don’t have to accept the Nazi reference to accept that our government is on a path that leads to Authoritarianism, at the least. The run of the mill Democrat may not be evil. He or she is just a tool. Lenin called them “Useful Idiots”. But the leadership of the Democrat Party is Authoritarian/totalitarian in their aims. They want absolute power. They believe that there is “no controlling authority” on the power of the State, and they have no scruples about using that power to quash dissent and punish heresy.

    Then let us discuss it accordingly.


  99. 99 | February 11, 2014 11:29 am

    Rodan wrote:

    There is nothing this man would not do.

    No, but there are limits on what he can sell to the public. OFA had a terrible year last year. On every one of Obama policy agendas, OFA was supposed to deliver the votes, and on every one of them that failed to deliver. I think it is going to be very interesting to see how the elections play out this year. We’ve got what, ten more months? That is a long time in politics. But the Democrats are having trouble selling their snake oil to the masses now.


  100. lobo91
    100 | February 11, 2014 11:33 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    “It depends on the meaning of ‘work’.”

    Brother: “Obamacare Killed My Sister”

    This Wednesday, my little sister, Julie, will be buried. She died because she delayed seeking health care for what turned out to be a catastrophic condition after her private health insurance policy was cancelled because of Obamacare.

    As she waited for a new Obamacare-approved policy to kick in, her condition deteriorated to the point that it was too late.

    Julie, her husband, and four children were covered by a medical plan they liked, and had been promised they could keep by President Obama. But like so many others in this country, her family’s private health care policy was cancelled because of the Affordable Care Act.

    So my sister and her family struggled through the expensive and incompetently designed Obamacare website to find a new policy. Unfortunately, while they waited for their new Obama-approved healthcare plan to finally kick in, my little sister fell ill. She couldn’t keep down solid food. She should have gone to a doctor.

    But she toughed it out, as many people do, until her new coverage would kick in on February 2. She and her husband didn’t have a lot of money, so she didn’t want to incur what she thought were avoidable medical expenses.

    But she didn’t make it. It turns out that, unbeknownst to her, she wasn’t suffering from an upset stomach or food poisoning, but a badly blocked gall bladder that had become highly infected. Her body went into septic shock just two days before her Obamacare policy would have kicked in. Her kidneys shut down.

    She went to the emergency room where, after heroic efforts, a marvelous medical team managed to stabilize her condition. I saw Julie that day for several hours. She could not move, or speak, but a tear trickled down her check when she saw the eldest daughter of her four children.

    After I left, hoping for the best, I learned the next day that her gentle heart stopped beating around 4:00 a.m.


  101. eaglesoars
    101 | February 11, 2014 11:33 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    But the Democrats are having trouble selling their snake oil to the masses now.

    They don’t need to sell it to the masses. Boehner and the GOP are buying it for them sight unseen.


  102. 102 | February 11, 2014 11:34 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Denial is no place to live.
    Yeah, “denial” has become that all-purpose word to shame those with a differing opinion, on both sides, hasn’t it?.
    Believe in the Fourth Reich if you will, but I reject it. With all due respect, dredging up Hitler was tacky and destructive during the “BusHitler” days and it’s no less so now. On one side we want to dig up Reagan and on the other side we dread our opposition digging up Hitler.
    It’s time for new heroes….and villains.
    As I said, I reject the Nazi allusion and charges of “denier!” won’t change that.

    Denial isn’t a catch phrase, it’s an objective reference to an obvious state of mind. You clearly and obviously live in a “It can’t happen here” state of denial. Your objection to a indisputable example, which happens to be a reference to Nazi Germany is proof positive of that.

    For you information, I did not write that piece, I did not create the example you find so objectionable, and your knee jerk objection to it does not invalidate its relevance. It is but one of many indisputable, historically accurate and extensively documented examples of how the “praetorian class” becomes a militant enforcement arm of corrupt leadership. The example could have just as easily been the rise of Soviet Russia’s KGB, or East Germany’s Stasi. Both of which started out as genuinely legitimate Law Enforcement Agencies.


  103. 103 | February 11, 2014 11:34 am

    Casting our ideological opponents as “Hitler” and wearing tricorn hats at rallies doesn’t advance our position.


  104. rain of lead
    104 | February 11, 2014 11:34 am

    file this under “it could NEVER happen here”

    Canadian police forces have used information from the long-gun registry that was supposed to be destroyed in accordance with an Act of Parliament

    President Clare continued, “To date the NFA has identified three instances where long-gun registry data was used or suspected of being used by police after Parliament passed this law ordering that long-gun information be destroyed: the Ottawa area in June of 2012, High River, Alberta in June of 2013, and Fredericton, New Brunswick in June of 2013.”

    “The only case we are at liberty to make public at this time is the incident in High River that we reported on December 17, 2013.” https://nfa.ca/news/nfa-fifth-letter…s-commissioner

    “It would seem from the information obtained from our members that all copies of the long-gun registry were not destroyed and that the long-gun registry is still being used by police in some provinces.”

    “The Police are clearly in contempt of Parliament


  105. lobo91
    105 | February 11, 2014 11:39 am

    @ rain of lead:

    They actually believed that law enforcement would destroy all the copies of that data?

    Awww…that’s so cute…
    /s


  106. RIX
    106 | February 11, 2014 11:39 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Fortunately, Obama is term limited, because I honestly thing that he could push us into it.

    Although I’m not generally one who goes off into Alex Jones conspiracy land, what about the past five years leads you to believe that Obama cares about the fact that he’s legally required to step down in January of 2017?

    I know where you’re going & I can envision a scenario where Obama Could declare some kind of a state of emergency & just suspend the election.
    I don’t think that it will happen, but lots of things have happened over the last five years that I never thought that I would see.


  107. 107 | February 11, 2014 11:39 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Watchig what is going on today, I more relate to a passage in Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago where he questions why the Russian people didn’t resist Stalin. His conclusion was that they simply didn’t love freedom enough. I think you could say the same of the American people today. Too many people are ready to give up their freedom for the illusion of security. They aren’t getting gtrue security in exchange for their freedom (that would be a bad enough deal), but they are getting platitudes that make them feel better. You see this at play in the gun control debate, but it is also at play in many other aspects of life. We give up a great deal of freedom in the name of stopping drug trafficking, and all we have done is enrich the drug traffickers. We, as a country, are letting Obama walk on numerous violations of the laws he swore an oath to uphold, including arbitrary changes made to the ObamaCare law that were never voted on by the legislature.


  108. 108 | February 11, 2014 11:42 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Casting our ideological opponents as “Hitler” and wearing tricorn hats at rallies doesn’t advance our position.

    If that’s what you think either I or the author of that essay did, then I suggest that you avail yourself of a elementary course on reading comprehension. Perhaps a couple courses on logic and presentation would likewise be helpful.


  109. lobo91
    109 | February 11, 2014 11:43 am

    @ RIX:

    I don’t think that it will happen, but lots of things have happened over the last five years that I never thought that I would see.

    He just created an entirely new federal crime yesterday out of thin air, with the new “rules” on Obamacare.


  110. eaglesoars
    110 | February 11, 2014 11:44 am

    RIX wrote:

    I can envision a scenario where Obama Could declare some kind of a state of emergency & just suspend the election.

    I can see that he’ll declare some sort of massive fraud in the next presidential election and he has to stay in office until everything is sorted out.


  111. 111 | February 11, 2014 11:45 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    Watchig what is going on today, I more relate to a passage in Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago where he questions why the Russian people didn’t resist Stalin. His conclusion was that they simply didn’t love freedom enough. I think you could say the same of the American people today. Too many people are ready to give up their freedom for the illusion of security. They aren’t getting gtrue security in exchange for their freedom (that would be a bad enough deal), but they are getting platitudes that make them feel better. You see this at play in the gun control debate, but it is also at play in many other aspects of life. We give up a great deal of freedom in the name of stopping drug trafficking, and all we have done is enrich the drug traffickers. We, as a country, are letting Obama walk on numerous violations of the laws he swore an oath to uphold, including arbitrary changes made to the ObamaCare law that were never voted on by the legislature.

    I agree, it’s more philosophical logic than repetitious history.


  112. eaglesoars
    112 | February 11, 2014 11:45 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    His conclusion was that they simply didn’t love freedom enough.

    Yeah, and he was wrong. The Russians were never free. Can’t miss/want what you never had.


  113. 113 | February 11, 2014 11:45 am

    @ lobo91:

    Yeah, and Americans believe that they aren’t being recorded when they run a gun through the Instant background check system, simply because it is illegal to keep those records. I have no doubt whatsoever that they are keeping records somewhere. It would be beyond trivial to capture every transaction that goes through that database and archive it. It is illegal, of course, to compile a computerized registration of guns, but what they are keeping track of are gun owners. This wouldn’t necessarily be a problem if our government were trustworthy, but if our government were trustworthy they wouldn’t be doing this to begin with.


  114. rain of lead
    114 | February 11, 2014 11:46 am

    TSA strip-searches another victim

    In the on-going sordid history of TSA agents bullying, harassing, robbing, and sexually assaulting people, we have a new story, this time about a cancer survivor.

    The man is 36 years old and suffers from an overactive bladder because of a past bout with prostate cancer. Therefore, he wears an adult incontinence garment — a disposable brief — something that hundreds of thousands of people are familiar with in this country, especially with our aging population.

    In the past, according to his wife, he has always traveled with no problem, passing through both scanners and “pat-downs.” This time, however, things were different:

    After he emerged from the scanner the TSA officer (a female) asked if he was carrying liquids in his clothing. He explained his condition and what had happened. In the past, it was embarrassing enough for him to just tell a TSA employee that [he] was wearing an adult incontinence garment but now he was also announcing that he had wet himself.)

    “She called over to another (male) officer (the boss, I guess) and explained the situation to him out loud in front of everyone else still going through the line. The problem was he did not understand what an “incontinence product” was when she told him. Myself, [the husband], and the female TSA employee tried explaining a few times before the woman finally just shouted ‘ HE IS WEARING A DIAPER’ which caused pretty much everyone to turn and stare at us (smaller airport so not that many people).”


  115. RIX
    115 | February 11, 2014 11:46 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    I’m not actually suggesting that he won’t leave office when his term ends, just pointing out that it certainly would be within character for him not to.

    That’s the disturbing thing, it is not out of the question with him.
    Guys like Truman or Reagan would never consider it, but Barry is a different critter.
    I don’t doubt that he would if he could, but I don’t think that he could pull it off.
    But…………………….


  116. 116 | February 11, 2014 11:49 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    His conclusion was that they simply didn’t love freedom enough.

    I would have to disagree. It wasn’t that the Russian people did not love freedom enough, but that just like the German’s in 1939, they found themselves one day surrounded by armed enforcers whose actions were backed and justified by their legal system, with no recourse to legally resist, and no weapons to do so.

    Every place that Marxism has gained control of the government this same pattern has been repeated. Disarm the populace through passage of legislation. Then enact draconian laws that dictate every action of the population, placing ever more brutal retribution upon those who fail to comply.


  117. lobo91
    117 | February 11, 2014 11:50 am

    Companies Must Justify Their Workforce Decisions Under Obama’s Latest Rewrite

    Once again acting without Congress, President Obama has unilaterally changed his signature health insurance law, delaying its employer mandate – the second time he’s done this — to 2016, after the mid-term elections.

    BUT: To be eligible for the additional delay, the Obama administration says an employer “may not reduce the size of its workforce or the overall hours of service of its employees” unless it can justify those reductions to the Internal Revenue Service.

    One scholar called the latest changes “Orwellian.”

    “So, figure out what that means,” Marc Thiessen of the American Enterprise Institute told Fox News’s Megyn Kelly Monday night. “American businesses have to justify their hiring decisions and firing decisions to the IRS. So, if you have 101 employees and you lay off two people (to get into the 50- to 99-employee category), you have to tell Big Brother why you did it. And you have to justify it. I mean, that is Orwellian.”

    Thiessen said hiring and layoff decisions are none of the government’s business: “We have a free market economy, not a command economy. It’s not the government’s business to tell you.”

    Thiessen said under Obamacare, “the government creates a false incentive to lay off workers and then punishes you on pain of perjury, a criminal offense, for doing what the incentive leads to you to do…I mean, it is just insane.”


  118. rain of lead
    118 | February 11, 2014 11:50 am

    http://www.ammoland.com/2014/02/mexicans-vigilantes-with-guns-taking-back-their-towns-no-mention-by-the-mainstream-media/#axzz2t22MgiMP

    There are multiple instances of citizens arming themselves and going after corrupt police and drug cartels. They have finally reached the point where they are fed up and understand that only guns in their own hands will secure their peace and safety.

    Here is one such story from the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-25708297 (see related links on this page for more)

    Surprise, surprise–the common people having guns actually brings peace and safety (not to mention justice) to them instead of the death and mayhem that has been ongoing in Mexico… a modern day testament to the wisdom of our 2nd Amendment, as reported here: http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/north-america/item/16928-mexican-citizens-forming-self-defense-groups-against-drug-cartels

    What was the federal government’s response? Help the people? No, it was to go in shooting at them. As this next story shows, the Mexican government is more concerned with citizens arming themselves than protecting them. They sent troops in firing upon citizens who refused to disarm themselves. http://www.infowars.com/obama-backed-mexican-troops-disarm-and-massacre-more-civilians/

    After this disaster, the government got smart and has tried to assimilate what is really a citizen militia into a “Rural Defense Corps,” though the press continues to slander them with the term ‘vigilantes.’ See: http://www.businessinsider.com/mexico-legalized-vigilantes-arrests-knights-templar-drug-cartel-2014-1


  119. 119 | February 11, 2014 11:51 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Can’t miss/want what you never had.

    I disagree there. The only way to gain something that you don’t have is to want it bad enough to struggle to get it. Most things in life that are worth having require struggle and sacrifice to obtain. I wish I had the quote for him available to reference, because I found it very compelling. Be that as it may, too many contemporary Americans are quite comfortable living on the margins as essentially semi-slaves on the Democrat plantation. One of the worst things about Socialism is that it completely kills upward mobility. The nobles stay noble, but the middle classes, where people can improve their lives, are destroyed utterly. That is by design.


  120. rain of lead
    120 | February 11, 2014 11:52 am

    what? too many links in my last post

    stuck in moderation hell


  121. RIX
    121 | February 11, 2014 11:53 am

    @ rain of lead:
    I have seen the TSA terrorize old women & children.
    One particularly egregious incident happened in Cleveland . An old woman was yanked out of her wheel chair & molested withe TSA imbecile shoving her hand down the bak of her pants.
    Her suspicious behavior? She had a bottle of water.


  122. eaglesoars
    122 | February 11, 2014 11:55 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    The only way to gain something that you don’t have is to want it bad enough to struggle to get it.

    They had their Revolution. It turned out to be a bit bloody. As dorian notes above, they were disarmed and surrounded by a thug gov’t. They just wanted to be left alone.


  123. 123 | February 11, 2014 11:56 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Here is my scenario, Obama speaks to a crowd,. Using Hollywood effects a Cloud appears and covers Obama. Then the cloud disappears and Obama is in a Toga illuminated and declares his godhood.

    I could really envision this.


  124. 124 | February 11, 2014 11:56 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    If that’s what you think either I or the author of that essay did, then I suggest that you avail yourself of a elementary course on reading comprehension. Perhaps a couple courses on logic and presentation would likewise be helpful.

    As is generally the case, to disagree with Dorian is to not comprehend the “Truth” or even the concept of “logic”. In the end, you’re really no more than pixels….and rather rude pixels at that.


  125. eaglesoars
    125 | February 11, 2014 11:56 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    So, if you have 101 employees and you lay off two people (to get into the 50- to 99-employee category), you have to tell Big Brother why you did it. And you have to justify it. I mean, that is Orwellian.”

    I predicted this 3 days ago.


  126. lobo91
    126 | February 11, 2014 11:57 am

    @ rain of lead:

    I freed it


  127. 127 | February 11, 2014 11:59 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    with no recourse to legally resist, and no weapons to do so.

    He tackles that problem, though, by pointing out how many more Russians there were than the NKVD. If they’d bind together and resist in concert, they would have been able to overcome the organs of the State. Too, you have to remember that during all of this Stalin purged the Russian military ruthlessly. Resistance wouldn’t have been futile. If the NKVD went out to make mass arrests, and didn’t come back home from it, then the survivors would possibly think twice about trying to do it again. Being relatively unarmed is a barrier to this, but it is not an insurmountable one. That is, though, one of the reasons I am such an absolutist on the gun control issue. When you have as heavily armed a civilian populace as we are, oppressing the majority though force really becomes impossible. You can only push so far. Allow yourself to be disarmed, and the odds against you go up dramatically. They still aren’t insurmountable odds, if you really are willing to fight and die for your freedom.


  128. rain of lead
    128 | February 11, 2014 12:01 pm

    @ lobo91:

    you DA man!


  129. 129 | February 11, 2014 12:02 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    They sent troops in firing upon citizens who refused to disarm themselves

    I don’t think I’d trust the content from Infowars. They really are not a reliable source of information. That said, the Mexicans have some of the strictest gun control laws in the world. The drug dealers, of course, simply ignore them. It would be easy to see them trying to crack down on the “vigilantes” rather than the drug cartels, because the citizens aren’t as likely to resist.


  130. coldwarrior
    130 | February 11, 2014 12:02 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    accenture…aka arthur anderson

    On June 15, 2002, Andersen was convicted of obstruction of justice for shredding documents related to its audit of Enron, resulting in the Enron scandal. Although the conviction was later reversed by the Supreme Court, the impact of the scandal combined with the findings of criminal complicity ultimately destroyed the firm. Nancy Temple (Andersen Legal Dept.) and David Duncan (Lead Partner for the Enron account) were cited as the responsible managers in this scandal as they had given the order to shred relevant documents. Since the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission cannot accept audits from convicted felons, the firm agreed to surrender its CPA licenses and its right to practice before the SEC on August 31, 2002—effectively putting the firm out of business. It had already started winding down its American operations after the indictment, and many of its accountants joined other firms. The firm sold most of its American operations to KPMG, Deloitte & Touche, Ernst & Young and Grant Thornton LLP. The damage to Andersen’s reputation also destroyed the viability of the firm’s international practices. Most of them were taken over by the local firms of the other major international accounting firms.

    The Andersen indictment also put a spotlight on its faulty audits of other companies, most notably Waste Management, Sunbeam, the Baptist Foundation of Arizona and WorldCom. The subsequent bankruptcy of WorldCom, which quickly surpassed Enron as the then biggest bankruptcy in history (the record is now held by Lehman Brothers and Washington Mutual) led to a domino effect of accounting and like corporate scandals that continue to tarnish American business practices.


  131. lobo91
    131 | February 11, 2014 12:04 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    The subsequent bankruptcy of WorldCom

    Where Terry MacAuliffe made a pile of cash just before the crash…


  132. 132 | February 11, 2014 12:06 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Casting our ideological opponents as “Hitler” and wearing tricorn hats at rallies doesn’t advance our position.

    I agree and in my opinion, there are Authoritarian/Totalitarian types in all ideologies.


  133. coldwarrior
    133 | February 11, 2014 12:07 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    ATLANTA—In a rare dire warning, forecasters say a winter storm making its way to the region could be a “catastrophic event” for residents across metro Atlanta and much of Georgia.

    i was in aniston, alabama, in the army.

    it snowed 3 inches. they shut down the post. we had jeeps and hummvs. they shut down the post. the army had a snow day. i laughed my ass off at that one. we asked the DI’s if we could get some 2 hour delays later in the week.

    they did laugh at that.


  134. 134 | February 11, 2014 12:09 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    What could possibly go wrong? :roll:


  135. 135 | February 11, 2014 12:10 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    @ Iron Fist:

    I did a post on this.

    These groups are now spreading in Mexico. It seems the people have had enough. I wish the Right in America would support these guys.


  136. coldwarrior
    136 | February 11, 2014 12:12 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    white does stuff like this all time, he seems like a pretty genuine good dude.


  137. 137 | February 11, 2014 12:14 pm

    New Thread.


  138. coldwarrior
    138 | February 11, 2014 12:14 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Denial is no place to live.
    Yeah, “denial” has become that all-purpose word to shame those with a differing opinion, on both sides, hasn’t it?.
    Believe in the Fourth Reich if you will, but I reject it. With all due respect, dredging up Hitler was tacky and destructive during the “BusHitler” days and it’s no less so now. On one side we want to dig up Reagan and on the other side we dread our opposition digging up Hitler.
    It’s time for new heroes….and villains.
    As I said, I reject the Nazi allusion and charges of “denier!” won’t change that.

    hear! hear!

    the end times / nazi death camps behind everything is getting old.

    think of the logistics of a military/law enforcement takeover of the US.

    its laughable.


  139. 139 | February 11, 2014 12:15 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    If that’s what you think either I or the author of that essay did, then I suggest that you avail yourself of a elementary course on reading comprehension. Perhaps a couple courses on logic and presentation would likewise be helpful.
    As is generally the case, to disagree with Dorian is to not comprehend the “Truth” or even the concept of “logic”. In the end, you’re really no more than pixels….and rather rude pixels at that.

    The difference is that my arguments are made based upon a preponderance of indisputable evidence, not emotional knee jerk desires for the obvious to not be true. When the Public Library can and does send armed officials to your house who kick in your door over an unpaid library book fine, when over 70 federal bureaucracies have armed SWAT styled response Teams, the inferences that I am making are not theoretical. They are absolute and incontrovertible facts. To assert otherwise, is in fact an act of denial.


  140. rain of lead
    140 | February 11, 2014 12:15 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    yup
    the smart ones do nice stuff like this anyway


  141. 141 | February 11, 2014 12:16 pm

    Interesting. I’d have expected the Mexicans to behave like Chicago, and double down on disarming their citizens to protect the drug cartels. It is good that they didn’t, though if I was one of these citizen militiamen, I’d keep my eyes out for the government to move that way.


  142. 142 | February 11, 2014 12:16 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    The end is near, woo is me!


  143. rain of lead
    143 | February 11, 2014 12:17 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    yeah the infowars link is jenky for sure but it was part if the article so , what the hell


  144. 144 | February 11, 2014 12:19 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I think this is related to Mexico opening up their Oil industry to foreign investment. The investors are telling Mexico to get their house in order. You need security in order for investments to pay off.


  145. 145 | February 11, 2014 12:20 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    They can’t arrest everybody, as the Citizens of Connecticut recently proved by simply ignoring the mandate to register their “assault weapons” earlier this year. Maybe 5% of the population complied. It does put you in a tricky spot, because it does give the cops a reason to arrest you if they catch you. But non-compliance is a start. I hope that they make wholesale changes in the structure of their government in the next election. Just as I am going to be watching Colorado to see what happens to the Democrats there.


  146. coldwarrior
    146 | February 11, 2014 12:21 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    The end is near, woo is me!

    clinton and fema camps, un/soviet troops in national parks / black helicopters…there was more.


  147. lobo91
    147 | February 11, 2014 12:23 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    think of the logistics of a military/law enforcement takeover of the US.

    You mean 2 million or so military and law enforcement types can’t effectively control 310 million citizens, at least 1/3 of them armed, spread over 3.8 million square miles?

    Yeah…I don’t think so either.


  148. coldwarrior
    148 | February 11, 2014 12:23 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    They can’t arrest everybody, as the Citizens of Connecticut recently proved by simply ignoring the mandate to register their “assault weapons” earlier this year. Maybe 5% of the population complied. It does put you in a tricky spot, because it does give the cops a reason to arrest you if they catch you. But non-compliance is a start. I hope that they make wholesale changes in the structure of their government in the next election. Just as I am going to be watching Colorado to see what happens to the Democrats there.

    what throws all of the take over of america by barney fife and pvt beatle bailey is the amazing amount of guns and ammo out there.

    americans arent sheep. they arent germans/austrians/post revolution russians. we have a mean streak.


  149. 149 | February 11, 2014 12:24 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yeah, that is probably part of it. Nobody wants to invest in a country that is in the middle of a low-intensity war. And up until now the cartels looked like they were winning. If the countryside has turned hostile to them, they are in an unenviable position. I look for someone to try and disarm these people in the name of “public safety”. Whomever does that, you can be sure, is a tool of the cartels. But I am positive that the cartels have people in the government to assist them, just as they have people in the various governments in the United States as well.


  150. 150 | February 11, 2014 12:24 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Hezbollah has 12 million soldiers hiding in Mexican tunnels preparing to storm Texas!
    ////


  151. rain of lead
    151 | February 11, 2014 12:25 pm

    Obamafail

    Obama just quoted “Alex deTocqueville.” I guess they must be old friends going way back


  152. rain of lead
    152 | February 11, 2014 12:27 pm

    Ways and Means passes bill to stop IRS muzzle rule on party-line vote. Not one Democrat for free speech.


  153. coldwarrior
    153 | February 11, 2014 12:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    think of the logistics of a military/law enforcement takeover of the US.
    You mean 2 million or so military and law enforcement types can’t effectively control 310 million citizens, at least 1/3 of them armed, spread over 3.8 million square miles?
    Yeah…I don’t think so either.

    :lol:

    yeah..that!


  154. 154 | February 11, 2014 12:27 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Once people are armed and in control, it is very difficult to disarm them. If Oil money is behind this change in Mexico, the Government will not even dare.


  155. 155 | February 11, 2014 12:29 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    In most of America, it is legal to shoot home invaders with bullets that are forbidden for use in land warfare by the Geneva Convention. That is something to think about. Of course, that is why they have been doing this gradually over the last 80 years. To do so all at once would be to risk a conflagration. If they can do it incrementally in the name of public safety, they can accomplish a lot in that direction. I think they have reached a tipping point, though. Even after Sandy Hook, a majority of Americans believes in the right to keep and bear arms. So much so that Diane Feinstein was only able to muster 40 votes for her attempt to reinstate the “assault weapons” ban. Her appeal to emotion over reason didn’t sell to Democrats who were up for re-election this year.


  156. 156 | February 11, 2014 12:30 pm

    @ lobo91:

    They will use Space Alien technology from Area 51 under directive of the UN!
    ///


  157. 157 | February 11, 2014 12:32 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    The Democrats want an authoritarian/totalitarian one-party State. Thy don’t really bother to hide that much. They count on the average American to be apathetic until it is too late to do anything. I think maybe the last five years of record guns and ammo sales may be starting to impact on them. There are at least 100 million gun owners in America. If 10% of them are willing to fight over the issue, they outnumber the military nearly 10 to one.


  158. 158 | February 11, 2014 12:33 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    There are Republicans who want the same. There are Totalitarians on both sides. That is why we must be vigilant.


  159. 159 | February 11, 2014 12:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    Casting our ideological opponents as “Hitler” and wearing tricorn hats at rallies doesn’t advance our position.

    I agree and in my opinion, there are Authoritarian/Totalitarian types in all ideologies.

    I’m just about knowing, and talking sense to your audience, without the the comparisons to the Third Reich or the Soviet Union, one of which is annoying almost to the point of comedy and the other is confusing and opaque. Just the facts. It’s astonishing how little people know about history…..the world, largely started with the electorate in the mid 90s. The ‘Old Days” were when MTV played music videos. They gotta be looking at the Beatles like I looked at Al Jolson!

    Strike fear in the heart of the electorate with Hitler and Stalin? It’s stunning how many people respond with “huh?” Many of these people have public school educations which were light on things like history and economics and much of anything else which would advance our culture.

    They’re not listening because they don’t get it!


  160. 160 | February 11, 2014 12:34 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yeah, it’ll be interesting to see what pans out. The drug cartels have been making life hell in northern Mexico for at least the last ten years. I am not sure how many men the cartels have, but they have to be outnumbered by the locals. If the locals are armed and willing to fight, it can get really nasty for them really quickly.


  161. Da_Beerfreak
    161 | February 11, 2014 12:34 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Pity the poor fool that is dumb enough pisses us off. :twisted:


  162. 162 | February 11, 2014 12:35 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:

    Hezbollah has 12 million soldiers hiding in Mexican tunnels preparing to storm Texas!
    ////

    Geez, it seems we could find it just by the smell! :D :D


  163. 163 | February 11, 2014 12:37 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The American Right should support these Mexican militias. I am have been trying to find a way to see if there’s ways to send money. These are the good guys. If these militias take control of Mexico and clean the place up, we will not have to worry about the Southern Border. Its in our interest to have a stable prosperous Mexico.


  164. 164 | February 11, 2014 12:38 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Ther34e’s no need to exaggerate about The Dems. They are bad enough as is.


  165. 165 | February 11, 2014 12:39 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    what throws all of the take over of america by barney fife and pct beatlebeetle bailey is the amazing amount of guns and ammo out there.

    americans arent sheep. they arent germans/austrians/post revolution russians. we have a mean streak.

    “Beatle weekend” hangover? ;)


  166. coldwarrior
    166 | February 11, 2014 12:41 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    In most of America, it is legal to shoot home invaders with bullets that are forbidden for use in land warfare by the Geneva Convention. That is something to think about. Of course, that is why they have been doing this gradually over the last 80 years. To do so all at once would be to risk a conflagration. If they can do it incrementally in the name of public safety, they can accomplish a lot in that direction. I think they have reached a tipping point, though. Even after Sandy Hook, a majority of Americans believes in the right to keep and bear arms. So much so that Diane Feinstein was only able to muster 40 votes for her attempt to reinstate the “assault weapons” ban. Her appeal to emotion over reason didn’t sell to Democrats who were up for re-election this year.

    then they are losing incrementally. there hasnt been more gun freedoms in a century, the states are finally waking up tot he 10th amendment. the socialist have totally lost control of the internet, they cant stop fox news which gets more and more viewers every day. if anything, i see a backlash against fedgov coming.

    all it takes is one stroke of the pen by a liberty minded president and this nascent ‘police state’ stuff goes away. its that easy.


  167. 168 | February 11, 2014 12:44 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Its in our interest to have a stable prosperous Mexico.

    Absolutely. Indeed, that is really a national security issue for the country. Having a failed State with a large, unmonitored contiguous border with the United States is a recipe for disaster, and we are seeing that in the Southwest. In truth, if we aren’t going to secure the border, they might as well legalize drugs, because there is no stopping them from getting in in huge quantities.


  168. 169 | February 11, 2014 12:47 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Meanwhile in Houston, we have this:

    KKK Redux: Masked Leftist Radicals Holding Torches Protest In Front of Home of Executive Involved In Keystone Pipeline…

    I love the way they take the very WORST of the past and actually EMULATE it!


  169. 170 | February 11, 2014 12:48 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    Ther34e’s no need to exaggerate about The Dems. They are bad enough as is.

    I don’t understand….


  170. RIX
    171 | February 11, 2014 12:49 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Meanwhile in Houston, we have this:

    KKK Redux: Masked Leftist Radicals Holding Torches Protest In Front of Home of Executive Involved In Keystone Pipeline…

    I’d say that they lack self awareness. People might suspect that you are a mindless dweeb, but don’t go out and make a proof statement.


  171. coldwarrior
    172 | February 11, 2014 12:50 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Pity the poor fool that is dumb enough pisses us off.

    :lol:

    the unit i was in ‘Berlin Brigade’ was more or less the test bed for urban warfare training and doctrine given our location. we trained endlessly in urban mockups and old buildings and in the underground. much of the urban tactics you saw in iraq were tested in berlin.

    from this knowledge the idea of a large scale crack down in america is laughable.

    “You mean 2 million or so military and law enforcement types can’t effectively control 310 million citizens, at least 1/3 of them armed, spread over 3.8 million square miles?

    Yeah…I don’t think so either.
    - See more at: http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2014/02/11/back-by-popular-demand-win-a-dream-date-with-barack-obama-part-two/#co_1313228


  172. lobo91
    173 | February 11, 2014 12:51 pm

    @ RIX:

    I’d say that they lack self awareness. People might suspect that you are a mindless dweeb, but don’t go out and make a proof statement.

    I think it’s particularly ironic that people who claim to be so concerned about the burning of fossil fuels protest by burning stuff.


  173. lobo91
    174 | February 11, 2014 12:56 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Controlling large numbers of people who are already disarmed and cowed by authority in the major urban areas (NYC and Chicago, anyway) is possible. The rest of America? Not so much.


  174. RIX
    175 | February 11, 2014 12:57 pm

    http://twitter.com/FLOTUS/status/433028472689012736/photo/1
    @ Twitchy
    This is a tweet from Mooch of the Royal Hounds dining off of fine china.
    She thinks that this is funny with all of the misery that they have spread, joblessness etc?


  175. 176 | February 11, 2014 12:58 pm

    Hey take the party upstairs.


  176. coldwarrior
    177 | February 11, 2014 12:59 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Controlling large numbers of people who are already disarmed and cowed by authority in the major urban areas (NYC and Chicago, anyway) is possible. The rest of America? Not so much.

    they did this to themselves.


  177. RIX
    178 | February 11, 2014 12:59 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    I’d say that they lack self awareness. People might suspect that you are a mindless dweeb, but don’t go out and make a proof statement.

    I think it’s particularly ironic that people who claim to be so concerned about the burning of fossil fuels protest by burning stuff.

    Irony is lost on lefties ie bring you’re ID to a demonstration to protest voter ID, or call for gun legislation on your wayb to the range.


  178. lobo91
    179 | February 11, 2014 1:02 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Controlling large numbers of people who are already disarmed and cowed by authority in the major urban areas (NYC and Chicago, anyway) is possible. The rest of America? Not so much.
    they did this to themselves.

    And of course, the people in those areas think that they’re the important ones, looking down their noses at “flyover country.”

    Yeah…nothing important comes from the middle of the country. Except food…water…energy…


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