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Debunking Liberal Propaganda, One Lie At A Time.

by Flyovercountry ( 146 Comments › )
Filed under Uncategorized at October 14th, 2014 - 7:20 am

I’m still working on that book of mine, so things will still be short this week. I’m making some good progress, I promise. As you may have guessed from the above title, the above graphic is not something with which I agree. In fact, seeing it last week caused coffee to shoot through my nose, necessitating the usage of a baby wipe to clean my capitalism produced relatively inexpensive flat screen monitor, which years ago replaced the television looking thing.

When ever the debate over Capitalism versus Socialism occurs, there is a sameness in the flow of arguments given. When the specter of Socialism ultimately causing untold misery, each and every time it’s been tried finds itself raised, our friends from Scandinavia will be offered up as the refutation of that position. After all, Denmark has a $20 per hour minimum wage, stratospheric rates of taxation, free health care and consumer products, free education for any who wish to remain on Mommy’s couch thus delaying the real world, and most importantly of all, a bona fide government regulation that actually places a cap on how productive any member of that lucky society is allowed to be.

When you hear this tripe, bear a couple of things in mind. One, Socialism in Denmark is relatively new. The Commies have only been in charge there since the mid 90’s or so, and it did take about 80 years to bring the Soviet Union to its knees. Thanks to a very robust free market system existing for a few centuries in Denmark prior to Socialism rearing its ugly head. they had started this experiment in futility with a vast amount of wealth per capita available for cannibalization. Things are not quite so honky dory as the above graphic indicates they may be in Denmark. Her debt as expressed per capita and as a function of her GDP is at that same wonderful Grecian Level that caused massive riots there. Scariest of all, Denmark, as of this year, ranks two spaces ahead of the United States in terms of economic freedom. Even with those economically suicidal regulations placing the Danish economy in shackles, she is an economically freer society than what have have here.

Here are some helpful links for those who find themselves debating idiots who bring this nonsense up as proof that Socialism can work, if we only had the right group of people to place in charge of it all, or if we would just be willing to do it big enough.

Click here.

Click here.

Click here.

Click here.

Click here for the scariest of all.

Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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146 Responses to “Debunking Liberal Propaganda, One Lie At A Time.”
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  1. 1 | October 14, 2014 7:39 am

    After all, Denmark has a $20 per hour minimum wage, stratospheric rates of taxation, free health care and consumer products, free education for any who wish to remain on Mommy’s couch thus delaying the real world, and most importantly of all, a bona fide government regulation that actually places a cap on how productive any member of that lucky society is allowed to be.

    None of the “free” stuff is really free. People pay for it with their taxes. I assume Denmark uses the same kind of payroll tax withholding that we do (more or less), so people don’t feel like they are really paying taxes unless they owe at the end of the year. This enables higher rates of taxation than the people would otherwise stand for. I think we should have to write a check every month, just like any of our other bills. I and my wife have to pay quarterly for her, and the amount of money we go out of pocket for taxes is huge. Even my tax bill, which is done through withholding, is huge. I pay more in taxes than I do my mortgage. I couldn’t afford to buy a house that would result in a mortgage payment as great as my tax bill because of my taxes. This is real economic activity that does not take place because of taxes. A government has to have tax revenue to function. I get that. But is it really just for our tax bill to be the biggest bill that we pay? I realize that the bottom 50% of the people do not pay taxes at all. How is that “fair”? Does that bottom 50% not get benefits (indeed, many of them get foodstampps and welfare, so they get more direct benefits from government than I do). The system that we have is not sustainable over the long term. Half the nation can’t keep paying taxes so the other half of the nation gets benefits. Redistribution of wealth is theft (and that is what is really going on here).


  2. 2 | October 14, 2014 8:50 am

    I also stopped at “stratospheric rates of taxation.” No need to go any further.


  3. lobo91
    3 | October 14, 2014 9:15 am

    Macker wrote:

    I also stopped at “stratospheric rates of taxation.” No need to go any further.

    And yet they still have massive debt


  4. taxfreekiller
    4 | October 14, 2014 9:17 am

    Me tfk still has contacts with Vietnam people.
    They are telling me via e-mails that the Alcon nurse’s
    boy friend has been admitted to hospital with Ebola symptoms.
    Not good this.
    I checked by googling “Alcon nurse Dallas”
    Info comes up that the CEO of Alcon has sent out an e-mail
    to all local Alcon employes.

    Need to check this out.
    Watching Fox nothing on this yet will check local Dallas news.

    Later


  5. lobo91
    5 | October 14, 2014 9:25 am

    WHO Says There Could Be Up To 10,000 New Ebola Cases Per Week In 2 Months…

    Won’t that make for a lovely Christmas season…


  6. RIX
    6 | October 14, 2014 9:31 am

    @ lobo91:
    This morning Laura Ingraham compared Doctor Frieden at CDC to Baghdad Bob. Sounds right.


  7. 7 | October 14, 2014 9:39 am

    @ Macker:
    Ultimately, somebody pays for things. The “free shit” that people get is paid for by other people. People like you and I pay the bulk of the taxes in the United States. The super-rich simply aren’t numerous enough to be able to pay for everything, no matter how wealthy they are. The intent of the Socialists, of course, is the destruction of the middle class. It always has been. Karl Marx railed against the bourgeois, by which he meant the Middle Class. It isn’t the super-rich that they are after, and never has been. They’ll turn the elites into even more elites, as long as they are smart enough to back the Left. Their ire is reserved for the Middle Class, the people who really work for a living. Those are the people that the Left wants to destroy. When the Left promises “equality”, they do not mean that you and I and the people in the housing projects will all suddenly enjoy the same living standard as the Obamas.

    What they mean is that you and I and the people in the housing projects will all be crushed down to the lowest common denominator of living standards. Equality of misery is what the Left really offers. Sure, the welfare people are given a subsistence without having to work for it, but what kind of real life is it? There is no ambition, no hope of a better life for these people. They have their government check, and that is all they’ll ever have. I really feel sorry for them. They are slaves of the Democrat Party, though their chains may be somewhat light on them. And only somewhat. Look at the mess in Ferguson.

    Are these people happy and fulfilled? They are angry and resentful, and they really don’t even know what they are angry and resentful about. They live in the society the Left planned for them, at the level the Left planned for them to live at, and they hate it. This is as the Left desires. When they are filled with hatred and discontent, their passions can be manipulated easily, producing the results that the Left wants to get from them. Thus in Ferguson, they are incited against the police (who are, after all, enforcers of the Left’s will), but the result won’t be to get rid of the police, but to make the Ferguson community poorer and more dependent on government than ever before.

    The Left are very crafty. They are very skilled at manipulation. Right now overall I’d say that they are slowly winning, though on specific issues we are doing better in some respects than they are. The Left want totalitarian power, to be the boot smashing into the face of humanity forever. Everything that they do is aimed at that goal. They may take temporary losses, but they remain focused on their goal. We have to, in a sense, emulate them. We must remain focused on our goal of a free and prosperous nation, with small government doing only the things that are necessary, bound by the Constitution, and beholden to the People. We have to expose the Left for the evil totalitarians that they are. Everybody “knows” that the Democrats are the evil Party, but they don’t really internalize that.


  8. lobo91
    8 | October 14, 2014 9:42 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I’ve heard plenty of Europeans brag about all the “free” stuff they get, while paying 60% of their income in taxes.

    I guess they don’t teach basic math over there anymore, either…


  9. lobo91
    9 | October 14, 2014 9:43 am

    If you make $20 an hour and pay $12 of it in taxes, I don’t think you’re really coming out ahead…


  10. 10 | October 14, 2014 10:04 am

    @ lobo91:
    Yeah, I know. Stupidity seems to be a human constant. I know it is axiomatic that the average person is of average intelligence, but that average really isn’t very bright. Or, not necessarily incapable of learning, but poorly taught. Asian cultures seem to do somewhat better a job of educating their populaces, perhaps because the culture itself puts a higher priority on education. By “education” I mean the real basics: literacy and mathematics, real scientific skills, and, in today’s society, computer skills. We have lots of kids that know how to do everything with their iPhones, though, who can’t do basic math without a calculator and whose reading comprehension doesn’t extend much beyond the basic level to understand marketing media. They don’t teach critical thinking even in college anymore unless you are a philosophy major. They teach “gender studies” and “ethnic studies” and the like, which are really useless.


  11. 12 | October 14, 2014 10:27 am

    @ Guggi:

    Essentially they are slaves of their government. Their government is just a relatively gentle master. For now. That is always subject to change, though, and what would they do about it if it did?


  12. Guggi
    13 | October 14, 2014 10:30 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    There has only to be an externe shock to the economy and the government will (and has to) cut much of the free stuff but not the taxes.


  13. RIX
    14 | October 14, 2014 10:30 am

    One of the arguements that I keep hearing against banning travl from the Ebola hot zone, is that they will feel isolated.
    I actually heard it again this morning.
    Isn’t isolation the point? Isn’t that what TB Sanatoriums were all about?
    This is not about punishing the victims, it’s about isolating the risk.


  14. Guggi
    15 | October 14, 2014 10:53 am

    RIX wrote:

    One of the arguements that I keep hearing against banning travl from the Ebola hot zone, is that they will feel isolated.
    I actually heard it again this morning.
    Isn’t isolation the point? Isn’t that what TB Sanatoriums were all about?
    This is not about punishing the victims, it’s about isolating the risk.

    Of course there is a Problem: isolatiing an entire country could lead to a civil war. People want to flee the country to avoid to become ill. Problem: some of them are already ill and they will spread the epidemic.


  15. 16 | October 14, 2014 10:54 am

    RIX wrote:

    This is not about punishing the victims, it’s about isolating the risk.

    This is exactly true, and that is what the Obama Administration refuses to do. They are more worried about people’s feelings than they are worried about Americans dying. At least that is their excuse. If you ascribe to my theory that the Left is actively Evil, this is simply the reason that they are giving for leaving the border open with the hope that an Ebola infection will become established over here. They won’t (quite) deliberately start importing Ebola carriers en masse, but they are hoping that the infection finds its way to America (as it already has), and establishes itself (something that has not yet manifested).


  16. Guggi
    17 | October 14, 2014 10:57 am

    One UN-employee who was rescued to Leipzig/Germany died to day of Ebola.


  17. RIX
    18 | October 14, 2014 11:01 am

    @ Guggi:
    Of course there is a Problem: isolatiing an entire country could lead to a civil war. People want to flee the country to avoid to become ill. Problem: some of them are already ill and they will spread the epidemic.

    Be that as it may, I do not se that it justifies exposing the American populace to the risk.
    The strategy is to treat it there, and control it.


  18. RIX
    19 | October 14, 2014 11:06 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    This is not about punishing the victims, it’s about isolating the risk.

    This is exactly true, and that is what the Obama Administration refuses to do. They are more worried about people’s feelings than they are worried about Americans dying. At least that is their excuse. If you ascribe to my theory that the Left is actively Evil, this is simply the reason that they are giving for leaving the border open with the hope that an Ebola infection will become established over here. They won’t (quite) deliberately start importing Ebola carriers en masse, but they are hoping that the infection finds its way to America (as it already has), and establishes itself (something that has not yet manifested).

    What I see is some misplaced view of social justice. Eugene Robinson can’t even understand why American doctors who go to Liberia are allowed back, but we want to ban BLACK Africans.
    Dollars to donuts, if the threat was from Europe, there would not b the same opposition to a travel ban.


  19. Guggi
    20 | October 14, 2014 11:07 am

    RIX wrote:

    Be that as it may, I do not se that it justifies exposing the American populace to the risk.

    Of course not.

    RIX wrote:

    The strategy is to treat it there, and control it.

    right


  20. RIX
    21 | October 14, 2014 11:11 am

    Guggi wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Be that as it may, I do not se that it justifies exposing the American populace to the risk.

    Of course not.

    RIX wrote:

    The strategy is to treat it there, and control it.

    right

    GMTA. What is the prevailing view in Europe?


  21. Guggi
    22 | October 14, 2014 11:18 am

    RIX wrote:

    GMTA. What is the prevailing view in Europe?

    What I’ve seen people are very relaxed. I wouldn’t travel to Africa right now

    My concerns are the “boat People” who arrive day after day in Italy, Spain and other Mediterranean countries.


  22. RIX
    23 | October 14, 2014 11:39 am

    Guggi wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    GMTA. What is the prevailing view in Europe?

    What I’ve seen people are very relaxed. I wouldn’t travel to Africa right now

    My concerns are the “boat People” who arrive day after day in Italy, Spain and other Mediterranean countries.

    Yup, and they will keep coming.


  23. 24 | October 14, 2014 11:49 am

    @ RIX:

    Exactly. If this were happening in Serbia, there’d be a travel ban, and no one would say “boo”. We’ve let the Left so wrap us up in Political Correctness that we are willing to let thousands of Americans die to avoid the semblance of “racism”. Not even real racism, mind you, but the possible appearance thereof. This idea that “racism” is worse than mass murder is pernicious, at best. And it is unevenly applied. What about the open racism of the “protesters” (read “rioters”) in Ferguson? They aren’t to be taken to task for their “Kill Whitey” rhetoric, but Americans have to accept the risks of an Ebola outbreak to avoid looking racist in the eyes of the Left? Who really gives a rat’s ass what the Left thinks, anyway? We are talking about a minority of our population, not more than about 25% overall, who are almost absolutely controlling public discourse in America. It is insane. Fuck them.


  24. RIX
    25 | October 14, 2014 12:02 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    The fear of being labeled racist paralyzes people. It is the the greatest secular transgression.
    But there is a caveat, Blacks are exempted from the prohibition. There is more virulent racism in the Black Community than anywhere in the general populace, and anti-Semitism is rampant. But of course it is racist to notice.


  25. taxfreekiller
    26 | October 14, 2014 12:05 pm

    Say it was like this.

    The nurse who caught Ebola in the Dallas hospital.

    What if,, she was a single mother with two kids, black, and a union member.

    What do you think Obama’s mouth part from the CDC would have said in that event.

    My take: “Evil white/Christian owned hospital racist operation allows her to be infected due to not caring about any thing but profits”

    and or Bush


  26. 27 | October 14, 2014 12:10 pm

    @ RIX:

    It is racist to notice the flaws of any non-white community. But those flaws are there, no matter what people “notice” officially. I think we are reaching a breaking point in our society. The majority of us cannot go on being terrorized by a minority that is really out of control. Yes, I’ll put in the obligatory “It’s not all of them”, and it isn’t. You have plenty of people out there like Mia Love and Allen West who are on the side of sanity and America. But the majority are very vocal and are drowning them out. It is, in a way, similar to the problem in the Muslim community, except that blacks aren’t committing acts of terrorism and cutting people’s heads off (except for black Muslims like the guy in Oklahoma). There is the same entitlement mentality in the majority, the same belief that they should own the world, the same belief that it should just be given to them, and on down the line. We’re not going to see black suicide bombers in Ferguson, of course, but we can see the same kind of mentality at work (and, as I understand it, there was some kind of Ferguson-Gaza hatefest the other day promoting the “unity” of both “causes”).


  27. RIX
    28 | October 14, 2014 12:46 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Yup, Palistinians are all in , and agitating the situation in Ferguson.
    It is an unholy alliance, and I think in follish in the long run for the black mob in the streets
    It is already hard to sell the Gentle Giant as a heroic victim, and paling around with the Pali group is a bad PR move.


  28. taxfreekiller
    29 | October 14, 2014 1:09 pm

    Odd stuff going on this:
    One news release from WBAP radio news (ap)
    That the viet nurses boyfriend has been admitted to hospital with Ebola like temp.
    ect.. Yet after that four more news cast every 20 min or so with no mention of this.
    The boyfriend works go Alcon.


  29. The Osprey
    30 | October 14, 2014 1:24 pm

    Those people don’t look very Danish to me.


  30. 31 | October 14, 2014 1:32 pm

    @ RIX:
    My question is when are people going to get fed up with it? The thing that made the Civil Rights movement work was that they appealed to the basic decency of white people and showed how demonstrably unjust segregation and Jim Crow were. MLK’s appeal that his children be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin resonated. Fast forward 40 years, though, and we have black leaders who insist that we must judge a person by the color of their skin, and we must suspend all judgement of the content of their character. How far we have come. People do Not recognize the innate justice of this demand, because it is counterfactual.

    There is nothing unjust about judging pimps and thieves by their character as pimps and thieves. This is done on an individual basis, not as part of any group dynamic. Michael Brown was no “Gentle Giant”. He was a thug. That is incontrovertible, no matter what occurred with the police officer. They have him on video robbing a store. Nobody denies this, merely asserts that since that doesn’t fit the narrative, it must be ignored. A jury will decide the officer’s guilt or innocence, though mob violence has already put into question the ability of the jury to be impartial (do they do change of venues for grand juries? I don’t think I’ve ever had the occasion to ask that question before)(and I don’t see how this doesn’t get a change of venue if the officer is charged; this is exactly why you have the option of changing venues for trials), but the content of the character of the community is on display for anyone who cares to look. Now, I will hasten to say that it isn’t all of the blacks in Ferguson. On Twitter the other day someone was sending around pictures of a black Church group that was doing cleanup after the rioting. But still, we have a pretty good feel for the general tenor of the community as a whole. Are we now to be told we can’t judge them by the content of their character, but must give deference to the color of their skin?

    Like I said, when are people going to get fed up of this nonsense? We need to realize that we are the majority in this country, not white Liberals in academia who hate America. We don’t have to please these self-appointed guardians of diversity. Fuck them. What we need to do is defund their grants, and let them try to go find jobs working for a living instead of being Communist agitators.


  31. taxfreekiller
    32 | October 14, 2014 1:33 pm

    Lies kill
    Truth is life


  32. Lily
    33 | October 14, 2014 1:38 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    WHO Says There Could Be Up To 10,000 New Ebola Cases Per Week In 2 Months…

    Won’t that make for a lovely Christmas season…

    I saw that! What in the hell is going on? They are actually letting a pandemic occur. Dear heavens and May God have Mercy on us.


  33. Lily
    34 | October 14, 2014 1:41 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    I’ve heard plenty of Europeans brag about all the “free” stuff they get, while paying 60% of their income in taxes.

    I guess they don’t teach basic math over there anymore, either…

    The old advice of “If it sounds too good to be true..it is”. Nothing is free. You can make 20 dollars an hour but how far will that 20 dollars go? Not far if gas is 7 dollars a gallon and food and housing are just as high. So you are back at square 1 ..you are still poor.


  34. Lily
    35 | October 14, 2014 1:41 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    If you make $20 an hour and pay $12 of it in taxes, I don’t think you’re really coming out ahead…

    No. You are still poor.


  35. RIX
    36 | October 14, 2014 1:41 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    There is no leader with the stature of MLK. Now Sharpton, Jackson , and Holder are what passes.
    This threat that unless Wilson is arrested, prosecuted , and convicted that there will be hell to pay, says it all.
    This is mob rule in the streets stoked by the Administration, and the Media. They have to feel totally justified, because they are not getting real pushback.


  36. 37 | October 14, 2014 1:42 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    If this were happening in Serbia, there’d be a travel ban, and no one would say “boo”.

    It would be even worse. You best bet both parties would be advocating nuking Serbia and throw the remaining Serbs in death camps.


  37. 38 | October 14, 2014 1:44 pm

    @ RIX:

    Have you looked into this mob? It’s mostly Marxists and some Anarchists. It’s not even most of the local residents at this point nor is it an all black thing. Both the Progressive media and Conservative media are playing up the race angle and not the ideological angle to distract everyone.


  38. 39 | October 14, 2014 1:47 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    On the race crap, Its a distraction to divide Americans. The 2 party gangstas that run this nation use these issues to turn us against each other, while they are robbing the nation and living high off the hog.

    It’s all a distraction and the end game is a Sectarian war so they can declare martial law, bring in foreign forces and set up a totalitarian regime.


  39. Lily
    40 | October 14, 2014 1:51 pm

    RIX wrote:

    One of the arguements that I keep hearing against banning travl from the Ebola hot zone, is that they will feel isolated.
    I actually heard it again this morning.
    Isn’t isolation the point? Isn’t that what TB Sanatoriums were all about?
    This is not about punishing the victims, it’s about isolating the risk.

    Well Rix quarantining them would be mean oh and racist and get this no doctors could get in and out. Bullsh*t. They are letting this spread because of well it’s not fair not to let them travel to here and get the best medical care. (Yet just a few years ago the push for obamacare was we had horrible medical care. Now we have the best.) So let’s infect our hospitals. This is stupid on stupid on stupid. Now they want us to stop the blame game. Why? Because this could have been prevented that’s why. Damn them all who thinks quarantining is racist and just plain mean and damn those that have been lying their a$$’s off. I am so disgusted, unlike Gwenyth Paltrow I’m not speechless because of Obama’s good looks I’m speechless because he is not doing his duty. He had taken an oath to protect us from foreign and domestic enemies and he lied. That is why I am speechless. Rogue treasonous fool we have in the presidential office…this is what he wants though…people need to die.


  40. Lily
    41 | October 14, 2014 1:54 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    One UN-employee who was rescued to Leipzig/Germany died to day of Ebola.

    And it begins to spread more widely. The pandemic is about to get started. No telling how many more are sick and not showing symptoms yet are infectious. This has all the makings of a horror story.


  41. 42 | October 14, 2014 1:57 pm

    @ RIX:

    I’d bug out if I lived there, I think. The only problem is if you owned a house (which many, if not most, of the Middle Class will). Those people have been thrown to the wolves by the Administration, which is tacitly whipping things up.


  42. Lily
    43 | October 14, 2014 1:58 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Of course there is a Problem: isolatiing an entire country could lead to a civil war. People want to flee the country to avoid to become ill. Problem: some of them are already ill and they will spread the epidemic.

    Be that as it may, I do not se that it justifies exposing the American populace to the risk.
    The strategy is to treat it there, and control it.

    Exactly it is a threat to the American people our president is supposed to stop such threats if possible. This quarantine should have gone into effect at the end of spring. Nope quietly and without people knowing the Obama administration in I believe 2010 got rid of Bush’s edit to the CDC that all flights or people’s coming from a country that illnesses that could become an pandemic like the avian flu were not allowed in. Now we have something much more worse ebola.


  43. The Osprey
    44 | October 14, 2014 2:00 pm

    Dutch Bikers join Kurds in their fight against Islamic State.

    The Hague (AFP) – The Dutch public prosecutor said on Tuesday that motorbike gang members who have reportedly joined Kurds battling the Islamic State group in Iraq are not necessarily committing any crime.

    “Joining a foreign armed force was previously punishable, now it’s no longer forbidden,” public prosecutor spokesman Wim de Bruin told AFP.

    “You just can’t join a fight against the Netherlands,” he told AFP after reports emerged that Dutch bikers from the No Surrender gang were fighting IS insurgents alongside Kurds in northern Iraq.

    The head of No Surrender, Klaas Otto, told state broadcaster NOS that three members who travelled to near Mosul in northern Iraq were from Dutch cities Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Breda.

    A photograph on a Dutch-Kurdish Twitter account shows a tattooed Dutchman called Ron in military garb, holding a Kalashnikov assault rifle while sat with a Kurdish comrade.

    h/t Weasel Zippers


  44. 45 | October 14, 2014 2:01 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    It’s all a distraction and the end game is a Sectarian war so they can declare martial law, bring in foreign forces and set up a totalitarian regime.

    Could be, but I don’t think foreign forces would fare very well in America. Someone on Twitter pointed out the other day that Americans own somewhere upward of half a billion firearms (nobody really knows for sure how many, but 300 million seems to be the floor), making the American civilian arsenal larger than that of all the armies of the world combined. Of course we don’t have heavy weapons, and as we are seeing in Kobani, heavy weapons can make a significant difference. But you have to remember the “rifleman behind every blade of grass” thing. Our leaders are weak today, sure, but the people themselves, a significant percentage of us, anyway, are something different.


  45. Lily
    46 | October 14, 2014 2:03 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    This is not about punishing the victims, it’s about isolating the risk.

    This is exactly true, and that is what the Obama Administration refuses to do. They are more worried about people’s feelings than they are worried about Americans dying. At least that is their excuse. If you ascribe to my theory that the Left is actively Evil, this is simply the reason that they are giving for leaving the border open with the hope that an Ebola infection will become established over here. They won’t (quite) deliberately start importing Ebola carriers en masse, but they are hoping that the infection finds its way to America (as it already has), and establishes itself (something that has not yet manifested).

    What I see is some misplaced view of social justice. Eugene Robinson can’t even understand why American doctors who go to Liberia are allowed back, but we want to ban BLACK Africans.
    Dollars to donuts, if the threat was from Europe, there would not b the same opposition to a travel ban.

    Oh yes Mr. Eugene Robinson is on board with Obama about not banning flights and having quarantine’s. Why? Well because it would be racist to do so and we have better medical care here even though we are sending medical help there to the Hot Zones. Mr. Eugene Robinson see’s only one color and all others are racist and of course there will be thousands of people who may die here but that is simply collateral damage.


  46. lobo91
    47 | October 14, 2014 2:08 pm

    Oh, look…Turkey decided to join the fight after all.

    On the wrong side:

    Turkey Bombs Anti-ISIS Kurdish Fighters…


  47. Lily
    48 | October 14, 2014 2:10 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    The fear of being labeled racist paralyzes people. It is the the greatest secular transgression.
    But there is a caveat, Blacks are exempted from the prohibition. There is more virulent racism in the Black Community than anywhere in the general populace, and anti-Semitism is rampant. But of course it is racist to notice.

    People need to wake up and stop this PC crap it will be the death of us and frankly I never would have thought that a dangerous disease like ebola would be allowed to spread because it would be racist to contain it! Good heavens this has nothing to do about race!!! I also read from another columnist yesterday who said “and then there are those people who think these diseases were made to only attack black people and kill them and as is my right and duty I studied this for 30 years and it is just not true.” He actually entertained the thought that there are virus’s out there to kill only black people! Really?


  48. 49 | October 14, 2014 2:10 pm

    @ Lily:

    I can’t state definitively that they want there to be an Ebola outbreak in the United States, but I do have to wonder what they’d be doing differently if they did? They couldn’t simply bring in a bunch of infected people on government transports. That would be too obvious. But leaving the travel lines open gives them the opportunity to slip people into the United States in small numbers unseen. You wouldn’t necessarily be able to even notice a pattern of attack that would be different from simply having random infected travelers coming in. All with a level of plausible deniability. You almost couldn’t get caught, as long as you were circumspect about who you let in on the secret of it. Even finding the infected people wouldn’t be too hard. Find them in Liberia, and promise them that you’d see to it that they were treated in America. Buy them a plane ticket, and make sure that their destination airport isn’t one of the five that they are checking temperatures at (or load them up on Ibuprofen), and you’ve pretty much got it done. If I can think of this, someone else can as well. The only reason to think no one has done it is that we don’t have people showing up in ERs yet. But as long as the travel lines are open, it could be done anytime anyone (say ISIS if you don’t believe Obama evil enough to do it himself) took a notion…


  49. RIX
    50 | October 14, 2014 2:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Have you looked into this mob? It’s mostly Marxists and some Anarchists. It’s not even most of the local residents at this point nor is it an all black thing. Both the Progressive media and Conservative media are playing up the race angle and not the ideological angle to distract everyone.

    Rodan, how are you doing? Yup, there is a lot more going on here, Marxists and Palis are involved.
    It is no longer confined to Ferguson, but all over the place now. I am waiting for a phone call, I may be in St. Louis Thursday.


  50. 51 | October 14, 2014 2:12 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Yeah, I saw that. They won’t bomb ISIS but they’ll bomb the PKK. The PKK aren’t exactly good guys, but ISIS are definitely worse guys, unless you happen to be an Islamist like Erdogan.


  51. 52 | October 14, 2014 2:16 pm

    Lily wrote:

    He actually entertained the thought that there are virus’s out there to kill only black people!

    Some doctor? I’m no doctor, but I know that that simply is not possible. There are genetic diseases that only affect black people (or people with black ancestry; sickle cell is the example I am thinking of), but no infectious diseases in the world are like that. Under the hood (so to speak) black people and white people are too similar for such a thing to even be theoretically possible.


  52. RIX
    53 | October 14, 2014 2:16 pm

    @ Lily:
    People need to wake up and stop this PC crap it will be the death of us and frankly I never would have thought that a dangerous disease like ebola would be allowed to spread because it would be racist to contain it! Good heavens this has nothing to do about race!!! I also read from another columnist yesterday who said “and then there are those people who think these diseases were made to only attack black people and kill them and as is my right and duty I studied this for 30 years and it is just not true.” He actually entertained the thought that there are virus’s out there to kill only black people! Really?

    Farrakhan is selling the meme that the white devil developed Ebola to attack only black people.
    It sounds ludicrous, but he has a lot of people who buy in.
    So what you have is a racist virus that distinguishes among races.


  53. Lily
    54 | October 14, 2014 2:17 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    It is racist to notice the flaws of any non-white community. But those flaws are there, no matter what people “notice” officially. I think we are reaching a breaking point in our society. The majority of us cannot go on being terrorized by a minority that is really out of control. Yes, I’ll put in the obligatory “It’s not all of them”, and it isn’t. You have plenty of people out there like Mia Love and Allen West who are on the side of sanity and America. But the majority are very vocal and are drowning them out. It is, in a way, similar to the problem in the Muslim community, except that blacks aren’t committing acts of terrorism and cutting people’s heads off (except for black Muslims like the guy in Oklahoma). There is the same entitlement mentality in the majority, the same belief that they should own the world, the same belief that it should just be given to them, and on down the line. We’re not going to see black suicide bombers in Ferguson, of course, but we can see the same kind of mentality at work (and, as I understand it, there was some kind of Ferguson-Gaza hatefest the other day promoting the “unity” of both “causes”).

    IF a quote:

    The Left Elite only pretend to be concerned about what’s best for everyone else because it is the most effective way to manipulate you and your children into their abyss.

    Tammy Bruce


  54. Lily
    55 | October 14, 2014 2:20 pm

    @ Iron Fist:


    “When will people get fed up with this and them?”

    Is a question I have been asking for a while? Like when Code Pink was in the news…even back then…


  55. lobo91
    56 | October 14, 2014 2:22 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    There are genetic diseases that only affect black people (or people with black ancestry; sickle cell is the example I am thinking of), but no infectious diseases in the world are like that.

    It’s theoretically possible to engineer one, though. In fact, it’s possible to engineer one that would only affect a particular person, if you have their genetic profile.

    But the fact that Ebola affects people of all races disproves the idea that it was created that way (not to mention the fact that it was first discovered in the late ’60s, when such technology didn’t exist).


  56. Lily
    57 | October 14, 2014 2:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Oh, look…Turkey decided to join the fight after all.

    On the wrong side:

    Turkey Bombs Anti-ISIS Kurdish Fighters…

    Well who would have seen that coming?
    ///////////

    Obama’s collation is nothing but thugs in the middle east!


  57. Lily
    58 | October 14, 2014 2:34 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    There is no way he can deny any of this. He is letting planes come into the United States from the Hot Zones. Why? Why isn’t he treating this more seriously? Why is the CDC so obviously lying? They are lying. I mean that is so obvious. I don’t know if Obama is doing this on propose or not. But it lands in his lap for letting it happen by not stopping any flights from the Hot Zones from coming into the Unite States. His ability to have deniability is shot. We should have had in place a quarantine of any people coming from Hot Zones a no-go. Whether by incompetence or on taking advantage of it doesn’t matter he has blood again on his hands and I fear much worse than before. ISIS is a disaster, Ebola is spreading like a bad lie, our borders are wide open to anyone coming and bringing in thugs and diseases. We have a problem and to save our country ……we need to get our act together. It hasn’t gone critical yet. But it has all the makings of it.


  58. RIX
    59 | October 14, 2014 2:35 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    There are genetic diseases that only affect black people (or people with black ancestry; sickle cell is the example I am thinking of), but no infectious diseases in the world are like that.

    It’s theoretically possible to engineer one, though. In fact, it’s possible to engineer one that would only affect a particular person, if you have their genetic profile.

    But the fact that Ebola affects people of all races disproves the idea that it was created that way (not to mention the fact that it was first discovered in the late ’60s, when such technology didn’t exist).

    In that case, I would like to withdraw my # 53.


  59. Lily
    60 | October 14, 2014 2:36 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Have you looked into this mob? It’s mostly Marxists and some Anarchists. It’s not even most of the local residents at this point nor is it an all black thing. Both the Progressive media and Conservative media are playing up the race angle and not the ideological angle to distract everyone.

    Rodan, how are you doing? Yup, there is a lot more going on here, Marxists and Palis are involved.
    It is no longer confined to Ferguson, but all over the place now. I am waiting for a phone call, I may be in St. Louis Thursday.

    Oh no! May you be very safe Rix! Isn’t Ferguson just right out of St. Louis? And isn’t St. Louis having problems too? Bad, bad place to be if you ask me.


  60. Lily
    61 | October 14, 2014 2:40 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    He actually entertained the thought that there are virus’s out there to kill only black people!

    Some doctor? I’m no doctor, but I know that that simply is not possible. There are genetic diseases that only affect black people (or people with black ancestry; sickle cell is the example I am thinking of), but no infectious diseases in the world are like that. Under the hood (so to speak) black people and white people are too similar for such a thing to even be theoretically possible.

    No doctor a columnist in the newspaper …. an AP columnist. Can’t remember his name He is a cross from Eugene Robinson and Pitt’s. I’d say he would be in the middle of them by his thinking. Of course there is no disease or virus that effects just one race. Unless it is like sickle cell and that is genetic.


  61. Lily
    62 | October 14, 2014 2:43 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    People need to wake up and stop this PC crap it will be the death of us and frankly I never would have thought that a dangerous disease like ebola would be allowed to spread because it would be racist to contain it! Good heavens this has nothing to do about race!!! I also read from another columnist yesterday who said “and then there are those people who think these diseases were made to only attack black people and kill them and as is my right and duty I studied this for 30 years and it is just not true.” He actually entertained the thought that there are virus’s out there to kill only black people! Really?

    Farrakhan is selling the meme that the white devil developed Ebola to attack only black people.
    It sounds ludicrous, but he has a lot of people who buy in.
    So what you have is a racist virus that distinguishes among races.

    Unbelievable! What about the white nurse in Dallas who has it? Was it racist that a person from Africa infected her by not telling them he just traveled from a Hot Zone of Ebola?


  62. lobo91
    63 | October 14, 2014 2:45 pm

    @ RIX:

    In that case, I would like to withdraw my # 53.

    While it’s theoretically possible to do, I don’t think anyone has actually done it yet. I’m sure that it would be prohibitively expensive, at the very least.

    And I doubt that you’d find many people who had the requisite skills and the resources who would be crazy enough to try, anyway. There’s too much chance of ending up with something like they had in I Am Legend, where the plague was caused by some sort of cancer vaccine.


  63. lobo91
    64 | October 14, 2014 2:46 pm

    Well, it’s time for me to head back to prison for more exciting orientation. Later


  64. Lily
    65 | October 14, 2014 2:47 pm

    RIX wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    There are genetic diseases that only affect black people (or people with black ancestry; sickle cell is the example I am thinking of), but no infectious diseases in the world are like that.

    It’s theoretically possible to engineer one, though. In fact, it’s possible to engineer one that would only affect a particular person, if you have their genetic profile.

    But the fact that Ebola affects people of all races disproves the idea that it was created that way (not to mention the fact that it was first discovered in the late ’60s, when such technology didn’t exist).

    In that case, I would like to withdraw my # 53.

    You weren’t completely wrong Rix Ebola has been around for a while. Before we could be voodoo doctor’s with our genes and if someone actually would have wanted that to happen it would probably have happened already not to mention the expense and years and years of getting it right.


  65. Lily
    66 | October 14, 2014 2:50 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    In that case, I would like to withdraw my # 53.

    While it’s theoretically possible to do, I don’t think anyone has actually done it yet. I’m sure that it would be prohibitively expensive, at the very least.

    And I doubt that you’d find many people who had the requisite skills and the resources who would be crazy enough to try, anyway. There’s too much chance of ending up with something like they had in I Am Legend, where the plague was caused by some sort of cancer vaccine.

    GMTA!!!! Yeah there are too many other things scientist’s would want to find a cure too than make up a crazy virus like that. Not to mention the cost.


  66. Lily
    67 | October 14, 2014 2:52 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Got a job at a prison? Glad things are finally coming together for you lobo! :)


  67. Lily
    68 | October 14, 2014 2:53 pm

    Dear heavens I have killed another thread again. It’s one of those bad gifts you get I think. :(


  68. Lily
    69 | October 14, 2014 2:58 pm

    Do Tell? They cannot ever say Obama is wrong. EVER!

    No Joke: White House Says Obama’s Strategy Against ISIS Is “Succeeding”…

    The White House believes its strategy to combat the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is “succeeding,” press secretary Josh Earnest said Tuesday.

    “We’re in the early days of the execution of that strategy,” Earnest said. “But certainly the early evidence indicates that this strategy is succeeding.”

    His remarks come as President Obama on Tuesday meets with top U.S. military officials and defense ministers from nearly two-dozen coalition partners amid new concerns that airstrikes have done little to contain the terror group.
    There are new signs that ISIS is continuing to make gains in both Iraq and Syria. The group reportedly captured a military training camp in western Iraq and continued to bomb the outskirts of Baghdad, leading to renewed fears of sectarian violence there.

    Meanwhile, in Syria, ISIS forces are inching closer to capturing Kobani, an ethnically Kurdish town near the border with Turkey despite an escalated air campaign outside the city.

    Still, the White House maintained that despite those ISIS gains, the overall strategy was paying dividends.

    The president’s meeting, the White House said, was to ensure that coalition military efforts are “integrated and effectuated in pursuit of this operation.”

    http://weaselzippers.us/202488-no-joke-white-house-says-obamas-strategy-against-isis-is-succeeding/


  69. 70 | October 14, 2014 3:03 pm

    @ lobo91:

    The problem is in determining what makes a person’s “race” genetically. They can’t really get to that. If they have a blood sample, for instance, they can’t simply analyze the DNA and say “This is from an African American”. What they can do is analyse the DNA and give you a percentage chance that it came from any given racial type. And that is really the best they will ever be able to do. There is no true “pure” race, other than “human”. It doesn’t matter if your ancestors were isolated in Scandinavia for the last 1000 years, at some point, they weren’t. What we think of as races really aren’t huge markers in DNA. For example, we all have melanin in our skin. Black people have much more of it than white people, but it is present in even the whitest (except for albinos, I guess). And there isn’t simply one gene that causes melanin production. It is a complex interaction that is governed by many genes. If you think about it, you see this expressed in everyone. People are lighter or darker according to their genetics, but we don’t have three or four hard and fast color stops. Rather, people are a gradient across a broad spectrum, ranging from dark to light. Even siblings can differ pretty significantly. I and my youngest sister are both considerably darker in complexion than my middle sister. OTOH, my middle sister is complected almost identically to a distant cousin I ran into years ago, on the Native American side of my heritage, and they are both lightly complected.

    What we think of as “race” is a much more complex interaction of genes than might seem apparent. While you are correct that it would theoretically be possible to tailor a virus (most likely a strand of free RNA without any kind of sheath) for one individual specifically if you had his complete genome available (such a thing is beyond our current technical ability by light-years, but given enough scientific progress it is possible to see how such a thing might be constructed), tailoring something designed to specifically attack “black people” simply isn’t possible. No matter how you tailored it, you would have spillover into other “races” who would be genetically vulnerable to it, and you would have those in the target “race” who would be immune. And all of that would require a genetic engineering capability far greater than anything possessed today, or likely to be possessed in our lifetimes.


  70. Lily
    71 | October 14, 2014 3:05 pm

    Really exactly how many people have died because of climate change…I’m not talking weather events.
    Dumb and Dumber.

    World Bank Chief: “Climate Change Is Like Ebola”… </strong

    >
    World Bank chief Jim Yong Kim has compared climate change to Ebola, suggesting that inaction on both is “killing people”.

    Speaking at the World Bank’s annual meeting with the International Monetary Fund, Kim said that the Bank’s work on climate change was informing its response to the deadly disease, which has killed over 4,000 people mainly in West Africa.

    “Ebola and climate change have a few things in common. Most importantly, we are running out of time to find solutions to both,” he said.

    “Also, until very recently, the plans to fight them were either non-existent or inadequate. And, inaction is literally killing people – one because of the rapid spread of a deadly virus, the other from the poisoning of the atmosphere and the oceans.

    “And finally, perhaps most critically from our point of view, resolving these problems is essential to development, whether from the perspective of human suffering, economic growth, or public health.”

    http://weaselzippers.us/202479-world-bank-chief-climate-change-is-like-ebola/


  71. Lily
    72 | October 14, 2014 3:07 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Yep human. We are all too much alike other eye color skin color hair texture and coloring of hair. And that goes across the board with all humans.


  72. RIX
    73 | October 14, 2014 3:10 pm

    @ Lily:
    Oh no! May you be very safe Rix! Isn’t Ferguson just right out of St. Louis? And isn’t St. Louis having problems too? Bad, bad place to be if you ask me.

    Thank you Lily, I’ll b fine. ferguson is near the airport, but when I go past, I’ll be on the expressway


  73. 74 | October 14, 2014 3:12 pm

    @ Lily:

    They’ve succeeded so well that Kobani is about to fall, and even Baghdad is looking questionable. Winning! I guess it is all in how you define success. Obama’s goal was never to defeat ISIS. He has told us that much himself. Their goal is, at best, strictly political in the US Elections. If he is able to successfully deflect from his “failure” of foreign policy to retain control of the Senate, then that is “success”, whether Baghdad falls or not. That is the best case scenario behind Obama’s maneuvering. If, as I suspect, his real goal is the weakening of the United States and the advancement of the Caliphate, then his strategy is going along swimmingly. You have to know what Obama considers “success” to be before you can simply accept his White House’s statement that air strikes have been a “success”. I don’t think Obama defines success anywhere remotely near where the average American defines it.


  74. Lily
    75 | October 14, 2014 3:16 pm

    Is this scare mongering or what is in store? Dear heavens if they are not inflating this. I thought that the death rate was 50%. Not 70%. 70% is bad. They are still saying it is like AIDS…..if I cough or sneeze…and what not is not like AIDS. I live where they want to put those ashes. NO.WAY.IN.HELL. Until they know what the hell this virus is about.


    EBOLA TOLL SOARING: Warning that virus cases could top 10,000 a week

    The number of cases in the Ebola outbreak has risen to nearly 9,000, with the number of dead climbing to nearly 4,500, as the World Health Organization (WHO) warned Tuesday that there could be up to 10,000 new cases a week in two months.

    For the last four weeks, there’s been about 1,000 new cases per week – including suspected, confirmed and probable cases, WHO assistant director-general Dr. Bruce Aylward said, adding that the U.N. health agency is aiming to get 70 percent of cases isolated within two months to reverse the outbreak.

    WHO increased its Ebola death toll tally to 4,447 people on Tuesday, nearly all of them in West Africa, from 8,914 cases. The death rate has risen to 70 percent— previously the WHO estimated the death rate at around 50 percent.

    Aylward said the 70 percent death rate was “a high mortality disease” in any circumstance and that the U.N. health agency was still focused on trying to get sick people isolated and provide treatment as early as possible.

    Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia have been hardest hit nations in the current outbreak. Aylward said WHO was very concerned about the continued spread of Ebola in the three countries’ capital cities -Freetown, Conakry and Monrovia.

    http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/14/west-africa-ebola-outbreak-will-reach-over-000-cases-says-who/


  75. Lily
    76 | October 14, 2014 3:18 pm

    @ RIX:

    Yeah let us know how things go there. Be safe.


  76. Guggi
    77 | October 14, 2014 3:19 pm

    Why the Islamic State is interested in Iceland

    The extremist militants of the Islamic State have surprised many with their sophisticated social media strategy and slick propaganda videos. New details show how the militants’ quest for PR professionalism has led its cyber warriors to an unlikely location.

    Last Sunday, an Icelandic company announced it had closed down a Web site with the domain khilafah.is that it believed was affiliated with the Islamic State. Iceland’s general Web site domains, which end with ‘.is,’ are likely to have drawn a special interest by the Islamic State, which is often abbreviated to IS as well.

    (…)

    Iceland’s decision to shut the alleged Islamic State Web site down also drawn criticism. Wikileaks, for instance, condemned the crackdown in several tweets, saying “everyone has the right to see and judge the arguments of IS.” It continued:

    (…)

    Helgi Hrafn Gunnarsson, an Icelandic member of parliament representing the Internet-savvy Pirate Party, criticized the decision on Facebook. Instead of discussing whether Islamic State militants should have the right to feature their content under an Icelandic domain the debate should focus on the rights of Icelandic citizens “to be informed about what it is that the Islamic State says, believes and wants,” in order to draw own conclusions, according to the politicians’ Facebook account.

    (…)


  77. Lily
    78 | October 14, 2014 3:23 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Lily:

    They’ve succeeded so well that Kobani is about to fall, and even Baghdad is looking questionable. Winning! I guess it is all in how you define success. Obama’s goal was never to defeat ISIS. He has told us that much himself. Their goal is, at best, strictly political in the US Elections. If he is able to successfully deflect from his “failure” of foreign policy to retain control of the Senate, then that is “success”, whether Baghdad falls or not. That is the best case scenario behind Obama’s maneuvering. If, as I suspect, his real goal is the weakening of the United States and the advancement of the Caliphate, then his strategy is going along swimmingly. You have to know what Obama considers “success” to be before you can simply accept his White House’s statement that air strikes have been a “success”. I don’t think Obama defines success anywhere remotely near where the average American defines it.

    I have to agree with you there. I do think he wants the caliphate to happen. Only the WH is saying everything is going along swimmingly with ISIS. Everywhere else I see we are not making a dent into what is going on.


  78. taxfreekiller
    79 | October 14, 2014 3:23 pm

    want to be real pissed off

    ms tfk has Fox News on, Shep Smith (mr bug eye silly boy) just lectured U.S. Americans, told U.S. we are silly to “panic” over these few ebola cases, “He thinks its silly” when 53,000 died in the U.S. last year from the flu. Must be he wants U.S. to have 53,000 from flu, 50,000 from Mexican TB, 50,000 from this Honduras bug that is killing little kids, and the 100,000 and more coming from ebola.

    What an ass he is….


  79. Lily
    80 | October 14, 2014 3:25 pm

    @ Guggi:

    That is why they have wanted western converts to join their jihad. They are a bit more savvy than they are concerning western ideals and ways. Those fools who go and join ISIS.


  80. taxfreekiller
    81 | October 14, 2014 3:27 pm

    One more time, ms tfk and I where out in the pickup at noon here.

    We heard with our own ears the news guy say..

    “The boyfriend of the Viet nurse who herself has ebola is now in Presby Hospital with ebloa like temp and condition.”

    Now not a word from any news source.

    Early today calls about the e-mail from the CEO of Alcon Lab in Ft. Worth to all the people who work there on the same subject saying the same thing.

    wtf is going on….???


  81. Lily
    82 | October 14, 2014 3:30 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    53,000 people died from the flu last year? Hmmmmmmmmmmm? Shepard is getting his number believe it or not from CNN. Because the CDC can’t give him a number.

    Does CDC know the exact number of people who die from seasonal flu each year?

    CDC does not know exactly how many people die from seasonal flu each year. There are several reasons for this. First, states are not required to report individual seasonal flu cases or deaths of people older than 18 years of age to CDC. Second, seasonal influenza is infrequently listed on death certificates of people who die from flu-related complications

    http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm


  82. Lily
    83 | October 14, 2014 3:32 pm

    @ Lily:

    Yet I get this from the CNN link…odd.

    How many people usually die from the flu each year?

    The flu kills about 36,000 people a year in the United States, according to the CDC, though the range varies greatly each year. Most deaths are caused by complications from the flu.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/11/health/top-flu-questions-answered/


  83. taxfreekiller
    84 | October 14, 2014 3:37 pm

    All I know is what piss ant Shep Smith gave out as he called Americans cowards live on TV. He said 53,000 …

    Screw the little piss ant ….@ Lily:


  84. Lily
    85 | October 14, 2014 3:41 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    There is news he has it too…. I dare say it is more contagious than they are letting us on and then the CDC said 50% death rate today it is a 70& death rate which mean you have a better chance of dying than living. Damn these fools who let this in out country..damn them all. Not sure on the boyfriend but if he gets it too….

    Ebola Nurse Boyfriend Reportedly Admitted With Ebola Symptoms WITH UPDATE</strong

    >

    http://gotnews.com/ebola-nurse-boyfriend-reportedly-admitted-ebola-symptoms/


  85. Lily
    86 | October 14, 2014 3:44 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    American’s liars? So far over 4000 dead and we have a death here. Sorry he can’t say for sure how this will end up now can he? It is just starting for us and other countries. Pray and hope we can contain it is all we can do. Pray and hope the doc’s and nurses defy Obama when it comes to our health and our life’s.


  86. RIX
    87 | October 14, 2014 3:46 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Yeah let us know how things go there. Be safe.

    Thanks, I doubt that I will se any of it.


  87. RIX
    88 | October 14, 2014 3:49 pm

    While Ebola is front and cnter, the Enterovirus is killin small children.
    That is getting very serious.


  88. Lily
    89 | October 14, 2014 3:49 pm

    University threatens students for passing out Constitution
    (unbelievable)
    h/t WZ

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da78-znrAkc


  89. coldwarrior
    90 | October 14, 2014 3:50 pm

    Uunreal…the hospital where i am am just responded to ebola. They issued a learning module to the rn staff.

    BFD.

    I swear nursing management are the most incompetant managers that i have ever run onto.


  90. Lily
    91 | October 14, 2014 3:51 pm

    Part 2

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCOs0Y9Ky8


  91. Guggi
    92 | October 14, 2014 3:52 pm

    US Army says it faces huge equipment, training risks with budget cuts

    The U.S. Army warned on Monday that mandatory budget cuts due to resume in fiscal 2016 would be devastating to a service that is already facing huge risks as it tries to keep forces ready for battle, replace aging equipment and respond to crises around the world.

    “We have to have a national security debate … because there is too much going on,” U.S. Army Chief of Staff General Ray Odierno told reporters at the annual Association of the U.S. Army (AUSA) conference.

    Odierno said the Army had agreed to further reduce the size of its active force to 450,000 troops from an earlier goal of 490,000 to comply with mandatory budget cuts known as sequestration, but he questioned if even the original target would allow the Army to respond as needed around the globe.

    “The problem is that since we made those statements, the world is changing in front of us,” Odierno said, citing Russian aggression in eastern Europe, growing threats from Islamic State militants and challenges in other areas.

    (…)


  92. Lily
    93 | October 14, 2014 3:54 pm

    RIX wrote:

    While Ebola is front and cnter, the Enterovirus is killin small children.
    That is getting very serious.

    Yep…I am aware of it. It is crippling and then killing them. Nothing from the CDC!!!!
    Not to mention TB again is coming in. Then they are shoving this children in the schools with out screening them. It is beyond the pale.
    We haven’t gone critical yet…but put all these things in a pot and you have an explosion! We will be critical and no telling what is going to happen. Am I living in end of world and horror film? Damn not again.


  93. Lily
    94 | October 14, 2014 3:55 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Yeah let us know how things go there. Be safe.

    Thanks, I doubt that I will se any of it.

    Very good. :)


  94. taxfreekiller
    95 | October 14, 2014 3:57 pm

    Odierno if he has one ball attached would quit and tell U.S. the truth. He knows he is a liar as he tells U.S. “climate change” is a problem as much as ebola or ISIS, yet he does the lie job for Obama and the commies.

    Same thing with the budget cuts. Obama and the commie Democrats want to hand out more dole and will not put a dime into the things need to protect U.S. or pay the troops, he is part of the deal of allowing Obama to fire 40,000 Majors, Captins, Cols to protect the dole money for this cult members sitting around drinking beer and haveing babies out of wed lock.

    @ Guggi:


  95. coldwarrior
    96 | October 14, 2014 4:06 pm

    @ Lily:
    All meant to divide and conquer….suffer, whitey!


  96. taxfreekiller
    97 | October 14, 2014 4:07 pm

    More “Pravda” talk out of CDC.

    “We have a new test on the Entrovirus that will call out many more cases as active but that is not to be unexpected and the CDC knows that the number of cases will fall in the fall.”

    Just lies 24/7/365


  97. RIX
    98 | October 14, 2014 4:09 pm

    @ Lily:
    I am wondering if this Enterovirus is brought here by the kids who crashed the border from Central America.
    Noone is actually saying one way or the other, but the timing is too coincidental.
    Native Americans here died due to lack of immunity to diseases that Europeans unwittingly brought here.
    This strikes me a lot alike, and our children would lack immunities.
    Just wondering.


  98. RIX
    99 | October 14, 2014 4:11 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Lily:
    All meant to divide and conquer….suffer, whitey!

    I have misplaced my white privilege.


  99. coldwarrior
    100 | October 14, 2014 4:11 pm

    @ RIX:
    Yes, dna test shows this virus is cen america. That fact is officiallysupressed


  100. Lily
    101 | October 14, 2014 4:13 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Uunreal…the hospital where i am am just responded to ebola. They issued a learning module to the rn staff.

    BFD.

    I swear nursing management are the most incompetant managers that i have ever run onto.

    I bet they just gave you the common sense crap and nothing else. I know if I were a nurse and Ebola were in the hospital I know without a meeting the basic precautions.


  101. coldwarrior
    102 | October 14, 2014 4:15 pm

    Lily wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Uunreal…the hospital where i am am just responded to ebola. They issued a learning module to the rn staff.
    BFD.
    I swear nursing management are the most incompetant managers that i have ever run onto.
    I bet they just gave you the common sense crap and nothing else. I know if I were a nurse and Ebola were in the hospital I know without a meeting the basic precautions.

    This is soooooo dangerous and inadequate.


  102. Lily
    103 | October 14, 2014 4:20 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Lily:
    All meant to divide and conquer….suffer, whitey!

    I have never seen this crap in my life time. Damn the Obama administration is all I can say. 70% now death rate on ebola, our children are getting a crippling and deadly virus, TB is coming in too, ISIS is getting stronger, racial riots in Ferguson and St. Louis and all is well. It makes me want to puke. The evil of it all.


  103. Lily
    104 | October 14, 2014 4:24 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Uunreal…the hospital where i am am just responded to ebola. They issued a learning module to the rn staff.
    BFD.
    I swear nursing management are the most incompetant managers that i have ever run onto.
    I bet they just gave you the common sense crap and nothing else. I know if I were a nurse and Ebola were in the hospital I know without a meeting the basic precautions.

    This is soooooo dangerous and inadequate.

    Yes it is. I would say the nurses on their own or together find out how to keep from getting sick and doing more. Bleach kills Ebola so constant cleaning and constant pre-cautions. This really shouldn’t be in the hospitals CW…there should be places on their own with only Ebola sick people…and then the nurses and staff can contain it better and the doc’s. This should not be brought to hospitals if you ask me.


  104. Lily
    105 | October 14, 2014 4:29 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I am wondering if this Enterovirus is brought here by the kids who crashed the border from Central America.
    Noone is actually saying one way or the other, but the timing is too coincidental.
    Native Americans here died due to lack of immunity to diseases that Europeans unwittingly brought here.
    This strikes me a lot alike, and our children would lack immunities.
    Just wondering.

    I would bet 10,000 dollars …YES. Talk to some people who are from Central America and they will tell you this is a common virus there and killing children. These children should have be tested and quarantined before entering our schools with our children. But oh no that would be mean and racist. I’m sick of this mean and racist crap these children should have been treated and nursed to health before entering here. Really they shouldn’t be here at all. But since they are they should have been nursed to back health if possible and tested.


  105. RIX
    106 | October 14, 2014 4:33 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Yes, dna test shows this virus is cen america. That fact is officiallysupressed

    That is pretty much what I thought. This could screw up their Amnesty narrative.


  106. RIX
    107 | October 14, 2014 4:38 pm

    @ Lily:
    This whole “children’s ” invasion from Central America was contrived by the Administration, in league wit the countries of origin, and Mexico.
    He promised transformative change, and changing the demographics does that.
    Obama is racist, and he will do what he can to dilute the white middle class.


  107. Lily
    108 | October 14, 2014 5:01 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    This whole “children’s ” invasion from Central America was contrived by the Administration, in league wit the countries of origin, and Mexico.
    He promised transformative change, and changing the demographics does that.
    Obama is racist, and he will do what he can to dilute the white middle class.

    Yes indeed. Problem is he doesn’t realize that they are religious and we all know Obama is NOT RELIGIOUS. Atheist in my opinion. Now that they are here we need to quarantine them and heal them since they are here but no Obama doesn’t care about those children or our children. But he made sure he put those children in every state to over load the school systems.


  108. Lily
    109 | October 14, 2014 5:34 pm

    Shoot I killed the thread again. 😉


  109. coldwarrior
    110 | October 14, 2014 5:36 pm

    RIX wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ RIX:
    Yes, dna test shows this virus is cen america. That fact is officiallysupressed

    That is pretty much what I thought. This could screw up their Amnesty narrative.

    ummmm…wonder why ebola is story one?

    so we can ignore enterovirus68, etc


  110. Internet Septic Tank Engineer
    111 | October 14, 2014 5:51 pm

    Sitting outside McDonalds watching the world go by. Hot chick by my side.

    Life is good….


  111. coldwarrior
    112 | October 14, 2014 6:00 pm

    Internet Septic Tank Engineer wrote:

    Sitting outside McDonalds watching the world go by. Hot chick by my side.
    Life is good….

    must be in denmark.

    😆


  112. 113 | October 14, 2014 6:01 pm

    @ Lily:
    It seems like he wanted to be sure the problems were evenly distributed. It is only fair, I am sure he would argue. That we should be securing our borders to keep disease out doesn’t even cross his mind.


  113. eaglesoars
    114 | October 14, 2014 6:07 pm

    Ebola Preparation ‘Will bankrupt my hospital!’ Director Reacts to CDC Prep Call

    “Treating one Ebola patient requires, full time, 20 medical staff. Mostly ICU (intensive care unit) people. So that would wipe out an ICU in an average-sized hospital.”

    In the case of Texas Presbyterian, McCaughey says that the hospital cordoned off its ICU to care for Thomas Eric Duncan and sent the rest of its ICU patients to other area hospitals. She added that many communities will not have multiple hospitals to choose from, so one Ebola case could cripple ICUs in small towns.


  114. coldwarrior
    115 | October 14, 2014 6:08 pm

    see this?

    Chronic wasting disease has shown up in another of Pennsylvania’s captive deer herds.

    Craig Schultz, veterinarian with the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture, said an adult whitetail at a second deer farm in the Reynoldsville area of Jefferson County tested positive for the disease. Tests confirming the disease were received last week.

    The farm, which Shultz would not identify, has 14 other deer — 11 adults and three fawns — remaining in what was considered a “breeding herd.” They are under quarantine.

    The farm is adjacent to a hunting preserve. Separated from the other deer by 30 feet and fences, it also is under quarantine while department officials continue looking for “animals of interest,” Schultz said.

    Quarantine.


  115. Internet Septic Tank Engineer
    116 | October 14, 2014 6:09 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Tall, leggy blonde.. Closest thing to Denmark round these parts.


  116. coldwarrior
    117 | October 14, 2014 6:11 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    place ebola patients in the same ward.

    problem solved.


  117. coldwarrior
    118 | October 14, 2014 6:13 pm

    Internet Septic Tank Engineer wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Tall, leggy blonde.. Closest thing to Denmark round these parts.

    yep…and happy people.


  118. RIX
    119 | October 14, 2014 6:16 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ RIX:
    Yes, dna test shows this virus is cen america. That fact is officiallysupressed

    That is pretty much what I thought. This could screw up their Amnesty narrative.

    ummmm…wonder why ebola is story one?

    so we can ignore enterovirus68, etc

    Raises that question, doesn’t it?


  119. coldwarrior
    120 | October 14, 2014 6:17 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Raises that question, doesn’t it?

    sure does. classic shiny object


  120. RIX
    121 | October 14, 2014 6:29 pm

    @ Lily:
    Yes indeed. Problem is he doesn’t realize that they are religious and we all know Obama is NOT RELIGIOUS. Atheist in my opinion. Now that they are here we need to quarantine them and heal them since they are here but no Obama doesn’t care about those children or our children. But he made sure he put those children in every state to over load the school systems.

    Many of the children do not speak Spanish, they speak native Indian dialects. Many are not even fluent in their own dialect.
    so where are the interpreters, and at what cost. These kids will hold the class back , and either property taxes will have to be raised, or federal money, probably both.
    Then of course the push will be to unite families, and there will be a huge wave..
    This is a massive influx from the Third World, and nobody is talking about assimilation. That of course would be racist.


  121. 122 | October 14, 2014 6:30 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Which they aren’t even trying to do with Ebola. Passing strange. I don’t really know what to make of it. I attribute malice to most everything that Obama does, but this seems a stretch even so. Would he really want an outbreak in the United States? But how else to explain the lack of quarantine? It seems a no brainier to end all visitors visas from affected countries for the duration. That much should be easy, and they aren’t doing it.


  122. RIX
    123 | October 14, 2014 6:31 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Raises that question, doesn’t it?

    sure does. classic shiny object

    We are being had by a guy who is not that smart, but he has the power.
    People who voted for him twice, and now have buyers remorse sound foolish. It was all out there


  123. coldwarrior
    124 | October 14, 2014 6:33 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Which they aren’t even trying to do with Ebola. Passing strange. I don’t really know what to make of it. I attribute malice to most everything that Obama does, but this seems a stretch even so. Would he really want an outbreak in the United States? But how else to explain the lack of quarantine? It seems a no brainier to end all visitors visas from affected countries for the duration. That much should be easy, and they aren’t doing it.

    suffer, krakah.


  124. coldwarrior
    125 | October 14, 2014 6:35 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    suffer, krakah.

    and dont notice that TB or enterovirus


  125. lobo91
    126 | October 14, 2014 6:41 pm

    One bit of good news:

    Excellent! Appeals Court Unblocks Texas Voter ID Law For Midterm Elections…

    The State of Texas can use its new voter ID law again in next’s month’s election, a federal appeals court ruled Tuesday, putting on hold an order a district court issued just last week barring enforcement of the law.

    “Based primarily on the extremely fast-approaching election date, we STAY the district court’s judgment pending appeal,” 5th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals Judge Edith Clement wrote, in a ruling joined by Judge Catharina Haynes (and posted here). “This is not a run-of-the-mill case; instead, it is a voting case decided on the eve of the election…. The judgment below substantially disturbs the election process of the State of Texas just nine days before early voting begins. Thus, the value of preserving the status quo here is much higher than in most other contexts.”


  126. 127 | October 14, 2014 6:41 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Yeah, all Obama’s CDC needs to do now is crack open a vial of smallpox and let that bad boy back out into the wild. Claim it is protected under the endangered species act. We’d have all kinds of fun then.


  127. coldwarrior
    128 | October 14, 2014 6:45 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Yeah, all Obama’s CDC needs to do now is crack open a vial of smallpox and let that bad boy back out into the wild. Claim it is protected under the endangered species act. We’d have all kinds of fun then.

    i wonder how long the small pox vax is good for…had mine in 86


  128. lobo91
    129 | October 14, 2014 6:56 pm

    Forensics: St. Louis Black Teen Whose Death Triggered Massive Protests Fired At Police Officer First…

    Think that’s going to change anything?

    Me neither…


  129. Lily
    130 | October 14, 2014 7:04 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Lily:
    It seems like he wanted to be sure the problems were evenly distributed. It is only fair, I am sure he would argue. That we should be securing our borders to keep disease out doesn’t even cross his mind.

    Of course not…he’s golfing of fund raising.


  130. Lily
    131 | October 14, 2014 7:06 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Ebola Preparation ‘Will bankrupt my hospital!’ Director Reacts to CDC Prep Call

    “Treating one Ebola patient requires, full time, 20 medical staff. Mostly ICU (intensive care unit) people. So that would wipe out an ICU in an average-sized hospital.”

    In the case of Texas Presbyterian, McCaughey says that the hospital cordoned off its ICU to care for Thomas Eric Duncan and sent the rest of its ICU patients to other area hospitals. She added that many communities will not have multiple hospitals to choose from, so one Ebola case could cripple ICUs in small towns.

    This is why I have saying the ebola patients need their own facility …..not in the hospitals.


  131. Lily
    132 | October 14, 2014 7:11 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Yes indeed. Problem is he doesn’t realize that they are religious and we all know Obama is NOT RELIGIOUS. Atheist in my opinion. Now that they are here we need to quarantine them and heal them since they are here but no Obama doesn’t care about those children or our children. But he made sure he put those children in every state to over load the school systems.

    Many of the children do not speak Spanish, they speak native Indian dialects. Many are not even fluent in their own dialect.
    so where are the interpreters, and at what cost. These kids will hold the class back , and either property taxes will have to be raised, or federal money, probably both.
    Then of course the push will be to unite families, and there will be a huge wave..
    This is a massive influx from the Third World, and nobody is talking about assimilation. That of course would be racist.

    This is a disaster. Ebola will be a disaster if we don’t stop planes and people from the Hot Zones in. We are going to go critical right now it’s not there yet but all the pieces are in place. Obama has really done a number own us.


  132. Lily
    133 | October 14, 2014 7:17 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Which they aren’t even trying to do with Ebola. Passing strange. I don’t really know what to make of it. I attribute malice to most everything that Obama does, but this seems a stretch even so. Would he really want an outbreak in the United States? But how else to explain the lack of quarantine? It seems a no brainier to end all visitors visas from affected countries for the duration. That much should be easy, and they aren’t doing it.

    Have you read the Obama supporters? Like Eugene Robinson? It would be racist and we have better medical care in the United States so it would be racist and mean not to let them fly out of the Hot Zones to a better place like the United States. Yes a few thousand people would die but that is okay as long as we are nice and acknowledge the fact that Ebola doesn’t care what color your skin is on your passport.
    Yeah he said that. Obama doesn’t care. Someone put up in 2010 or something that Obama quietly dismissed the quarantine factors with the CDC. He got rid of all of that which Bush had implemented to combat the Avian Flu and any other virus or disease that could go pandemic. Why?


  133. 134 | October 14, 2014 7:19 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    I think that the vaccine is supposed to be good for thirty or forty years. I remember wondering about that right after 9-11. I was done in the early seventies as a kid.


  134. Lily
    135 | October 14, 2014 7:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Forensics: St. Louis Black Teen Whose Death Triggered Massive Protests Fired At Police Officer First…

    Think that’s going to change anything?

    Me neither…

    Good grief! Facts simply don’t matter now do they. I am going to watch this tonight.

    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=america+imagine+the+world+without+her&kpevlbx=1


  135. Lily
    136 | October 14, 2014 7:30 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I think that the vaccine is supposed to be good for thirty or forty years. I remember wondering about that right after 9-11. I was done in the early seventies as a kid.

    Mine in the 60’s. I think I’m okay. I’m 55 and I’m sure I had my vaccine when I was close to 9 or 10 don’t remember: I was 8 I remember now because it was close to my brother having first communion and he was 7 so I was 8..doesn’t small pox hit children the most? I don’t think any American would release that no matter who was president. Obama would have to do it himself and I’m sure he would be releasing nothing. The head of the CDC may lie about Ebola and the other virus to keep panic from the public…but it takes a special type of person to release small pox and all those other diseases. EVIL!


  136. 137 | October 14, 2014 7:33 pm

    @ Lily:
    I personally think that he wants to get an outbreak started here. Not bad enough to really start it himself, but in a “Stick it to the man!” Kind of way. That is the only thing I can figure. Obama didn’t cause this outbreak, of course. We’ve been watching that part of Africa for this for years. But at best it should be clear to everyone that he doesn’t care if there’s an outbreak, and the incompetents he’s put in positions under him don’t care either.


  137. 138 | October 14, 2014 7:40 pm

    @ Lily:
    Smallpox would have to be released from somewhere. We have smallpox in a few (maybe as few as one) labs, and the Russians are supposed to have some, but I don’t think anybody else does. I do wonder if you could dig up bodies from a plague pit and find live smallpox. I don’t know enough about it to know if that is possible.


  138. Lily
    139 | October 14, 2014 7:47 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Here you go IF on the crazy of agreeing with Obama about ebola…

    http://www.newsday.com/opinion/we-are-all-liberians-now-eugene-robinson-1.9485746


  139. Lily
    140 | October 14, 2014 7:54 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    They dug up some bodies from the flu in 1917 I don’t think it was alive not sure but I do know they took and but some away in a freezer. If I remember correctly. On small pox …. I honestly don’t think it would still be active.


  140. Lily
    141 | October 14, 2014 7:57 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    You may be on to something. He wants chaos. But the problem with chaos is that you lose control of it. You cannot contain it. You have something you didn’t want to occur. No he didn’t cause the ebola. But he surely took down whatever protective measures Bush put in the CDC in 2010. He got lucky ….


  141. Lily
    142 | October 14, 2014 8:01 pm

    Nite all! :)


  142. 143 | October 14, 2014 8:34 pm

    Read this. It is on the Ebola. The upshot is that they are now monitoring more than 100 people for Ebola.Even if only 1-2 of them turns up positive, how many people have they infected?


  143. eaglesoars
    144 | October 14, 2014 8:50 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I gather none of these people is quarantined


  144. RIX
    145 | October 14, 2014 9:10 pm

    @ Lily:
    This is a disaster. Ebola will be a disaster if we don’t stop planes and people from the Hot Zones in. We are going to go critical right now it’s not there yet but all the pieces are in place. Obama has really done a number own us.

    The first duty of the American President is the safety of the American people
    Obama is not culturally an American, he is the other. What a tragic mistake he is.


  145. 146 | October 14, 2014 11:07 pm

    Mrs MF had a flu shot, a tetanus shot, and one for whooping cough because of the number of parents who are refusing to let their kids get whooping cough because of the microscopic chance of autism.

    I think I’ll do the same this week.


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